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Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 87	Posted - 2014.03.16 03:54:00 - [1] - Quote GÇªGÇªGÇªGÇªGÇªGÇªGÇªGÇªGÇªGÇªSTDGÇªGÇªGÇª.. ADVGÇªGÇªGÇª.PRO HP(opt.1/opt.2)GÇªGÇªGÇª41/33 GÇªGÇª.. 56/44GÇªGÇªGÇª66/66 Fittings(CPU/PG) GÇªGÇª10/1GÇªGÇªGÇªGÇª30/4GÇªGÇªGÇª..60/6 PenaltyGÇªGÇªGÇªGÇªGÇªGÇªGÇª1%GÇªGÇªGÇªGÇª..3%GÇªGÇªGÇªGÇª 5% If you are interested in how I obtained these numbers, the answer is in my signature's link Kills-Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 87	Posted - 2014.03.16 04:01:00 - [2] - Quote finally fixed the formattingGÇªi hope its easy for you guys to read Kills-Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
xSir Campsalotx G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 146	Posted - 2014.03.16 05:01:00 - [3] - Quote Sounds fair makes basic shield extenders worth it G0DS AM0NG MEN Director Preferred fit 1 complex damage mod, 2 mlt kin cats, basic HMG, flux grenade on a std sentinel
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 102	Posted - 2014.03.16 16:32:00 - [4] - Quote xSir Campsalotx wrote: Sounds fair makes basic shield extenders worth it thank you what do you think of the fitting values? Kills-Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 821	Posted - 2014.03.16 16:50:00 - [5] - Quote I prefer option 2, because option 1 just means nearly no one will use complex sheild extenders because they give little bonus over ADV for huge increase in fitting cost. It's the major problem with armor plates. The fitting options are nice solid numbers, like that they require loads of cpu but little pg. Penalties...If you took option 2 then they are fine. Right now there isn't much wrong with the penalties, they really don't need reduced to plate levels. Speed loss is much worse shields depletion rate...and it's not close.
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 103	Posted - 2014.03.16 17:01:00 - [6] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: I prefer option 2, because option 1 just means nearly no one will use complex sheild extenders because they give little bonus over ADV for huge increase in fitting cost. It's the major problem with armor plates. The fitting options are nice solid numbers, like that they require loads of cpu but little pg. Penalties...If you took option 2 then they are fine. Right now there isn't much wrong with the penalties, they really don't need reduced to plate levels. Speed loss is much worse shields depletion rate...and it's not close. ok cool. Thanks for the feedback. And yeah, the HP values for option 1 was scaled to armor plates exactly. Kills-Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2683	Posted - 2014.03.16 17:03:00 - [7] - Quote Honestly, seems like a perfect balance. I think the STD extender should a slightly higher CPU requirement. Maybe 2-5 points. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
xSir Campsalotx G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 147	Posted - 2014.03.16 17:09:00 - [8] - Quote Fitting is fine it should be like a basic plate in my opinion. Lot of HP to fitting ratio G0DS AM0NG MEN Director Preferred fit 1 complex damage mod, 2 mlt kin cats, basic HMG, flux grenade on a std sentinel
xSir Campsalotx G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 147	Posted - 2014.03.16 17:10:00 - [9] - Quote Oh yeah Opt 2 G0DS AM0NG MEN Director Preferred fit 1 complex damage mod, 2 mlt kin cats, basic HMG, flux grenade on a std sentinel
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 103	Posted - 2014.03.16 23:58:00 - [10] - Quote xSir Campsalotx wrote: Oh yeah Opt 2 yeah, a lot of people think option 2 is the better of them Kills-Archduke Ferdinand Balance!

Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 111	Posted - 2014.03.17 00:41:00 - [11] - Quote if any debs read thisGÇªid like your opinions as well Kills-Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 116	Posted - 2014.03.17 02:11:00 - [12] - Quote bump for justice Kills-Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
SAIRAX SIS Nyain San Renegade Alliance 41	Posted - 2014.03.17 02:34:00 - [13] - Quote +1 good idea
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 122	Posted - 2014.03.17 04:37:00 - [14] - Quote SAIRAX SIS wrote: +1 good idea thanks Kills-Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Tectonic Fusion 1250	Posted - 2014.03.17 04:38:00 - [15] - Quote Excellent. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1720	Posted - 2014.03.17 04:40:00 - [16] - Quote Penalty should stay how it is right now. If you leave it like that, it'll make dual tanking more viable than it already is.
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 145	Posted - 2014.03.17 23:02:00 - [17] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Penalty should stay how it is right now. If you leave it like that, it'll make dual tanking more viable than it already is. i had a separate idea for reducing dual tankingGÇªread about it in my signatures link. Its at the bottom of the first post Kills-Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 242	Posted - 2014.03.17 23:07:00 - [18] - Quote Right now, shields are garbage until you get to proto, but that's because the TTK didn't give you a chance to get into cover. Hopefully they fix that. Also, fix dual tanking. I'm one of the few proto callogis that has no extra armour. My fit right now has 500 shields, 108 armour. Most people dual tank and almost have 1000 armour. That shouldn't be... Sees prototompers... Sees blueberries start to snipe... Pulls out commando suit with laser rifle and swarm launcher...
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 641	Posted - 2014.03.17 23:11:00 - [19] - Quote I do feel like PRO needs a slight buff from 66. I know the current HP and penalty values off the top of my head, but not the fitting values. Can you post a before/after? I like the reduced penalties. I would like to see very minor buffs to all the shield modules in general. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 420	Posted - 2014.03.17 23:28:00 - [20] - Quote Very nice. +1 I think your proposed changes would be very healthy for the Shield / Armour balance game. Definitely option one in my opinion.

Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 150	Posted - 2014.03.17 23:54:00 - [21] - Quote Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote: I do feel like PRO needs a slight buff from 66. I know the current HP and penalty values off the top of my head, but not the fitting values. Can you post a before/after? I like the reduced penalties. I would like to see very minor buffs to all the shield modules in general. sure, i can at the very least give you a before right here-(CPU/PG) Shields STD ADV PRO 18/3 36/6 54/11 compared to plates at STD ADV PRO 10/1 20/6 30/12 The ratio of CPU to Pg on all drop suits in the game is between 4.7:1 and 5.2:1, so 1pg=app. 5 CPU. Basically, shield extenders get screwed because of crappy scaling and even worse fittings Kills-Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 7506	Posted - 2014.03.17 23:56:00 - [22] - Quote Penalty is already laughable. On the Caldari scout, 4x complex extenders adds an extra second. If anything the penalty should increase. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. DUST514514
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 150	Posted - 2014.03.17 23:58:00 - [23] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Penalty is already laughable. On the Caldari scout, 4x complex extenders adds an extra second. If anything the penalty should increase. Well, that is a caldari scout, (the inherent shield stats on caldari and minmitar other than raw HP need to be switched) but i think the current penalties are fine, will update OP. What do you think about everything else? Kills-Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 7506	Posted - 2014.03.18 00:15:00 - [24] - Quote Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Penalty is already laughable. On the Caldari scout, 4x complex extenders adds an extra second. If anything the penalty should increase. Well, that is a caldari scout, (the inherent shield stats on caldari and minmitar other than raw HP need to be switched) but i think the current penalties are fine, will update OP. What do you think about everything else? Everything else is fine. Though I might add, on my Gallente Assault, 1 PG = 40 CPU. Using the ratio between the two. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. DUST514514
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 755	Posted - 2014.03.18 00:24:00 - [25] - Quote 33/44/66 seems fine and legit and I agree on the CPU/PG ratings...
Testing Turbo Bragian Order Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2014.03.18 00:33:00 - [26] - Quote Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: xSir Campsalotx wrote: Sounds fair makes basic shield extenders worth it thank you what do you think of the fitting values? Fitting values are way too high still complex shield extender has 6x the fitting cost that a basic armor plate costs ... facepalm
Testing Turbo Bragian Order Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2014.03.18 00:35:00 - [27] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Penalty is already laughable. On the Caldari scout, 4x complex extenders adds an extra second. If anything the penalty should increase. Lets look at the armor plate penalty .. ... hmm .. increase the speed penalty of armor if you increase the delay on shields 4 plates should make you as slow as a heavy
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 154	Posted - 2014.03.18 04:17:00 - [28] - Quote Testing Turbo wrote: Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: xSir Campsalotx wrote: Sounds fair makes basic shield extenders worth it thank you what do you think of the fitting values? Fitting values are way too high still complex shield extender has 6x the fitting cost that a basic armor plate costs ... facepalm the fitting values are balanced perfectly with armor plates-any less and you move towards the opposite end of the spectrum and id have to advocate for an armor plate buff/shield extender nerf Kills-Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 155	Posted - 2014.03.18 04:29:00 - [29] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Penalty is already laughable. On the Caldari scout, 4x complex extenders adds an extra second. If anything the penalty should increase. Well, that is a caldari scout, (the inherent shield stats on caldari and minmitar other than raw HP need to be switched) but i think the current penalties are fine, will update OP. What do you think about everything else? Everything else is fine. Though I might add, on my Gallente Assault, 1 PG = 40 CPU. Using the ratio between the two. GÇªhow? Kills-Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 756	Posted - 2014.03.18 08:35:00 - [30] - Quote Testing Turbo wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Penalty is already laughable. On the Caldari scout, 4x complex extenders adds an extra second. If anything the penalty should increase. Lets look at the armor plate penalty .. ... hmm .. increase the speed penalty of armor if you increase the delay on shields 4 plates should make you as slow as a heavy Nope because armor gets more gimped through the penalty than shields. shields get max 7% to depleted shield delay (note no penalty to shield delay) armor gets max 5% to walking speed to sprintspeed (seems to get double penalty due to a possible bug) to jump hight to strafe speed (seems to get double penalty due to a possible bug) ANd the shield penalty can be completely nullified through regulators that go to lows (not reducing potential hp) where armor can just nullify the sprint speed penalty by reducing potential hp (kincats go to the low)



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