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CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 1045	Posted - 2014.03.16 09:08:00 - [31] - Quote Phazoid wrote: i have 0 problems with this passive, and now the scout is not gonna be all about speed, but sneaking, real sneaking, im gonna go full metal gear with my caldari scout. Haha yeaa bro! Its gonna be like back in beta again before the shiy scanners. I can't decide if I should go Gallente Scout or Caldari Scout. Humm, maybe both is the best Idea if I can afford them both after getting the Caldari sentinel for forge pew. Join our public channel - ACME SPECIAL FORCES PUB** ZERG EVENT 1MILLION CLONES! LETS DO THIS
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 1417	Posted - 2014.03.16 09:15:00 - [32] - Quote As a scout full-time, the most annoying thing in the world is running out of stamina. I hate the fits I have with no cardiac regulators.... it's not about covering ground for me most of the time as much as it is about quick successive bursts of sprinting and jumping to reposition and evade. So MANY times have I died because I didn't have the stamina to sprint around a corner, jump over a railing, or make it just 10 more feet to cover. And when I do stop running to aim or fire, having my stamina recharge quickly is a godsend.... The Amarr bonus is not up to parity with the other suits, but I would be seriously bummed if they removed it. SCP damage? The thing already puts so much DPS out it's insane... I think anything over 10% would be sheer insanity. Honestly, my favorite additional suggestion was the reduction on deployable equipment profiles. Or (out there) make auto-aim not work against the Amarr scout. You know, because god came down and deflected the bullets. Double posting like a Kaiser.
steadyhand amarr TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2577	Posted - 2014.03.16 09:58:00 - [33] - Quote People who are upset with the amarr scout want to use for things outside its role. The amarr scout job is get into the thick of it kill of a key target and get out. Its not a stealth suit nor or is it scanning suit. Its role is all about a blinding all or nothing attack. If u want a cloke bonuses go fit the scout suit that works it. I look forword to showing u all how dangerous this suit is "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
SgtDoughnut DUST University Ivy League 483	Posted - 2014.03.16 10:08:00 - [34] - Quote Aisha you gotta remember you may not be the fastest one out there but your the most stylish...your not running your struttin.
Aisha Ctarl Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3967	Posted - 2014.03.16 10:32:00 - [35] - Quote SgtDoughnut wrote: Aisha you gotta remember you may not be the fastest one out there but your the most stylish...your not running your struttin. #rollingold I could list the ways how we Amarr are better than you, but your lesser mind wouldn't comprehend it.
Faquira Bleuetta Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 293	Posted - 2014.03.16 10:32:00 - [36] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: People who are upset with the amarr scout want to use for things outside its role. The amarr scout job is get into the thick of it kill of a key target and get out. Its not a stealth suit nor or is it scanning suit. Its role is all about a blinding all or nothing attack. If u want a cloke bonuses go fit the scout suit that works it. I look forword to showing u all how dangerous this suit is stfu (n+ëGèÖGÇ+GèÖ)n+ën+PpÇÄG£º~TEARS~G£ºpÇÅ 1.8 Laser rifle buff faq will be back to melt all ur sorry ass the good ol chromosomes days.
Faquira Bleuetta Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 293	Posted - 2014.03.16 10:40:00 - [37] - Quote i got the ******* solution gold paint bucket the gallent scout suit now a beterrrrrrr amarr scout yayyyyyyyyyyyyyy fuk CCP (n+ëGèÖGÇ+GèÖ)n+ën+PpÇÄG£º~TEARS~G£ºpÇÅ 1.8 Laser rifle buff faq will be back to melt all ur sorry ass the good ol chromosomes days.
Faquira Bleuetta Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 293	Posted - 2014.03.16 11:06:00 - [38] - Quote The Amarr should be the ******* scout hunter not Caldari , +5% bonus to dropsuit scan radius per level and +19% bonus to Complex Precision Enhancer per level( yes 19% bonus bcuz Amarr lacks high slot) ,,new base dropsuit stat Movement Speed 5.39(current 5.25) , new sprint 7.55(current 7.35),, new stamina 225 (current 275),,, however in exchange Caldari should have bonus to cloaking,,,,,,, +7 % reduction to cloak field cooldown per level,,,+8 % bonus to Cloaked ScProfile Reduction. (n+ëGèÖGÇ+GèÖ)n+ën+PpÇÄG£º~TEARS~G£ºpÇÅ 1.8 Laser rifle buff faq will be back to melt all ur sorry ass the good ol chromosomes days.
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 189	Posted - 2014.03.16 12:14:00 - [39] - Quote A lot of thes posts are really op ccp your idea is fine I don't to get shot by a scrambler pistol that op. and at least wait until judging. Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 189	Posted - 2014.03.16 12:17:00 - [40] - Quote Faquira Bleuetta wrote: The Amarr should be the ******* scout hunter not Caldari , +5% bonus to dropsuit scan radius per level and +19% bonus to Complex Precision Enhancer per level( yes 19% bonus bcuz Amarr lacks high slot) ,,new base dropsuit stat Movement Speed 5.39(current 5.25) , new sprint 7.55(current 7.35),, new stamina 225 (current 275),,, however in exchange Caldari should have bonus to cloaking,,,,,,, +7 % reduction to cloak field cooldown per level,,,+8 % bonus to Cloaked ScProfile Reduction. Noooo YOU ARE NOT BREAKING MY SCOUT FOR YOURS STICK WITH STAMINA YOU GUYS HAVE MORE HP ANYWAYS. Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits

Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 680	Posted - 2014.03.16 12:29:00 - [41] - Quote Everytime someone shoots at you, it turns into a quicktime event. Tap X to dodge the headshot! Now is the winter of our non-content. Ghosts Chance's hero for 3/1/14. A manu dei et tet rimon.
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 267	Posted - 2014.03.16 12:42:00 - [42] - Quote Looking at the 1.8 suit stats, it does seem like some sort of armor bonus might be in line with the suit's strengths. Perhaps some armor resists? Or as someone already mentioned, a bonus on the armor plate penalty? However, I've really no idea how good or not the stamina bonus will be, simply because my style is get in fast, get out fast, and I think it's relatively easy to manage stamina just before a fight.
Scout Registry Nos Nothi 1491	Posted - 2014.03.16 13:38:00 - [43] - Quote Faquira Bleuetta wrote: The Amarr should be the ******* scout hunter not Caldari , +5% bonus to dropsuit scan radius per level and +19% bonus to Complex Precision Enhancer per level( yes 19% bonus bcuz Amarr lacks high slot) ,,new base dropsuit stat Movement Speed 5.39(current 5.25) , new sprint 7.55(current 7.35),, new stamina 225 (current 275),,, however in exchange Caldari should have bonus to cloaking,,,,,,, +7 % reduction to cloak field cooldown per level,,,+8 % bonus to Cloaked ScProfile Reduction. Trollhard?
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 267	Posted - 2014.03.16 14:33:00 - [44] - Quote Hmm just had a thought. I was thinking about how on occasion, I've ended up running around half the map (in my min scout and 2x complex kincats) and how that's something I try to avoid where possible coz it takes forever, and the reason I'm doing it might not exist by the time I arrive. Seems like that wouldn't be any / much better in a 1.8 Amarr suit due to the base speed. So I got to thinking about the Amarr scout in combat...how that stamina bonus might be useful. Only thing I can think of is related to jumping...so what if you made them able to jump higher or further? I know for example, that my min scout with the 2x kincats can make jumps in and out of some complexes using boxes etc. that other suits can't, which is a massive tactical advantage given the right situation. TL;DR So, what if you gave the Amarr scout some sort of bonus to jumping?
DEZKA DIABLO 0uter.Heaven 387	Posted - 2014.03.16 15:08:00 - [45] - Quote I personal am highly considering this suit, the base HP and the stamina basically save you two slots I'd say if anything give it some sort of shield recharge boost or depleted delay boost cuz it's only weaknesses to me are those, a 30 HP shield recharge without the passive armor rep like gallente means your gonna run a shield reg or armor rep. With a 30 HP recharge and 6 sec delay your gonna depend on a armor rep which means you better have it stacked with speed or be able to cloak ASAP cuz your gonna be two slow if you tank it. Actually the best bonus I think It could and should have is a REDUCTION TO ARMOR SPEED PENALTY PER LV. Dude imagine using complex plates with no speed penalty , because if it's slower than a min assault without plates it's gonna be a mini heavy with them, so go for reduction to speed an movement penalty per lv Dead trigger master , an ya I do that ISH ON PURPOSE!
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 415	Posted - 2014.03.16 20:17:00 - [46] - Quote DEZKA DIABLO wrote: I personal am highly considering this suit, the base HP and the stamina basically save you two slots I'd say if anything give it some sort of shield recharge boost or depleted delay boost cuz it's only weaknesses to me are those, a 30 HP shield recharge without the passive armor rep like gallente means your gonna run a shield reg or armor rep. With a 30 HP recharge and 6 sec delay your gonna depend on a armor rep which means you better have it stacked with speed or be able to cloak ASAP cuz your gonna be two slow if you tank it. Actually the best bonus I think It could and should have is a REDUCTION TO ARMOR SPEED PENALTY PER LV. Dude imagine using complex plates with no speed penalty , because if it's slower than a min assault without plates it's gonna be a mini heavy with them, so go for reduction to speed an movement penalty per lv MORE SPEED!!!!
Vell0cet SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1100	Posted - 2014.03.16 20:25:00 - [47] - Quote Remove stam bonus, add 5%/ level to cloak recharge (the original bonus), and give it +0.1 increase to base speed. It will still be the slowest by a significant amount, but it's at least faster than all assault suits, and it will have less downtime on the cloak, which is a unique and interesting bonus, just like the other scouts have. The Amarr scout will need its cloak for survivability moreso than the other scouts. Nothing about this suggestion is OP. Best PvE idea ever!
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 163	Posted - 2014.03.16 20:27:00 - [48] - Quote 15% to stamina max per level and 5% to regen per level Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 562	Posted - 2014.03.16 20:31:00 - [49] - Quote Scout Registry wrote: Lightning xVx wrote: I'm specifically making this topic to hear and see what the majority people don't like about the Amarr Scout and possibly have CCP look into it. I for one am in LOVE with the Stamina part of it, it literally is a Hunting Scout through and through. But to everyone else who are NOT satisfied with this upgrade; What would be ONE extra small bonus you would like on the Amarr Scout? I personally wouldn't mind a bonus 5% bonus to pistol damage overall for each level you go into the suit. Ideas GO! Opinions / Observations: 1) An experienced Amarr Scout will have nearly twice the Stam Pool of an equally fit non-Amarr Scout. 2) Stam and Stam Regen are HUGE for a Scout; you know this because you're actually a Scout. 3) ScP's can put alot of damage on target in a hurry; 25% faster would be OP. @ Lightning If I had to propose an alternative bonus, I'd go with 5% reduction to Armor Plate Penalty. I personally think the Amarr Scout is in a pretty good place as is, though I freely defer to your expertise. 1) a person with 8th grade math behind them could figure out that not all stamina is the same (i.e. 1 seconds of sprint for amarr <<<<< 1 seconds sprint for minmatar) 2) Stam and Stam regen combined with stamina efficiency. IF you are slow as an assault suit, tons of stamina doesn't do you any good. You are still super easy to hit, not able to find cover, not able to effectively flank in a decent amount of time, and can't jump/melee anymore than normal. 3) agreed Also, -5% penalty to armor is a HORRIBLE bonus. So why even have ferroscale plates? While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 415	Posted - 2014.03.16 20:31:00 - [50] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: Remove stam bonus, add 5%/ level to cloak recharge (the original bonus), and give it +0.1 increase to base speed. It will still be the slowest by a significant amount, but it's at least faster than all assault suits, and it will have less downtime on the cloak, which is a unique and interesting bonus, just like the other scouts have. The Amarr scout will need its cloak for survivability moreso than the other scouts. Nothing about this suggestion is OP. Idk it just seems like it isn't REALLY needed for the Amarr since all Scouts have the reduction to it already. (CPU/PG) The Armor, Stamina or a bonus to its weapon seems more like what they would go for. If I recall they would rather be the tankiest and fashionable out of all other suits. And maybe perhaps armor efficiency? Like 1 or 3%?

Martyr Saboteur Amarrtyrs 261	Posted - 2014.03.16 20:34:00 - [51] - Quote +5% Headshot Bonus Damage (for Laser Weapons) per level. [ScP GODMODE ENGAGED] Edit: this would also play into the "Potential Damage" theme of Amarrian weaponry. Also, its not like it would even be OP or FotM, as it would require player skill. Totally not Fizzer94's forum alt. Definitely just a random dude.
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 562	Posted - 2014.03.16 20:38:00 - [52] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: People who are upset with the amarr scout want to use for things outside its role. The amarr scout job is get into the thick of it kill of a key target and get out. Its not a stealth suit nor or is it scanning suit. Its role is all about a blinding all or nothing attack. If u want a cloke bonuses go fit the scout suit that works it. I look forword to showing u all how dangerous this suit is Nope, that would be the minmatar suit bonus. Being able to quickly aproach the target while cloaked, do 1200 damage in one strike, recloak and quickly get out of there... maybe hack 1-2 things in the meantime. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 164	Posted - 2014.03.16 20:38:00 - [53] - Quote 5% to stamina and stamina regen and 1% to repair module Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
Vell0cet SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1100	Posted - 2014.03.16 20:41:00 - [54] - Quote Lightning xVx wrote: Vell0cet wrote: Remove stam bonus, add 5%/ level to cloak recharge (the original bonus), and give it +0.1 increase to base speed. It will still be the slowest by a significant amount, but it's at least faster than all assault suits, and it will have less downtime on the cloak, which is a unique and interesting bonus, just like the other scouts have. The Amarr scout will need its cloak for survivability moreso than the other scouts. Nothing about this suggestion is OP. Idk it just seems like it isn't REALLY needed for the Amarr since all Scouts have the reduction to it already. (CPU/PG) The Armor, Stamina or a bonus to its weapon seems more like what they would go for. If I recall they would rather be the tankiest and fashionable out of all other suits. And maybe perhaps armor efficiency? Like 1 or 3%? The cloak fitting "bonus" isn't really a bonus, it's a mechanism to allow scouts to fit cloaks while making it very difficult to fit on other suits without completely gimping their fit. It allows for creativity in fitting cloaks on non-scouts, but keeps cloaks predominantly in the scout's domain. The Amarr scout will be slow, it won't have the inherent e-war of the Cal/Gal, so it will be very vulnerable when not cloaked. A bonus to cloak recharge would reduce this window by 25% at level 5. That's very helpful without being OP. Best PvE idea ever!
ThePlayerkyle13 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 88	Posted - 2014.03.16 21:19:00 - [55] - Quote The Amarrians may be slow but they have excellent endurance, which keeps them running for longer, it's just how they are & the way they've adapted to. I have no problem with the Stamina bonus because that's their racial trait...
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 568	Posted - 2014.03.16 23:56:00 - [56] - Quote ThePlayerkyle13 wrote: The Amarrians may be slow but they have excellent endurance, which keeps them running for longer, it's just how they are & the way they've adapted to. I have no problem with the Stamina bonus because that's their racial trait... See arge stamina and stamina recovery used to be an amarrian trait. IT also used to mean that the amarr could probably kep up with the other suits after a certain amount of time had passed. The CCP went and DOUBLED minmatar stamina. So now amarr no longer have that distinction. Stamina by itself isn't very useful. Increasing a stamina pool while not increasing stamina recharge means that nearly all functions that require stamina, aside from running, become much more difficult. TLDR: endurance is no longer an advantage for the amarr thanks to CCP. (it was never much of an advantage to begin with though.) While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
Lily Q Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 12	Posted - 2014.03.17 00:08:00 - [57] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: ThePlayerkyle13 wrote: The Amarrians may be slow but they have excellent endurance, which keeps them running for longer, it's just how they are & the way they've adapted to. I have no problem with the Stamina bonus because that's their racial trait... See arge stamina and stamina recovery used to be an amarrian trait. IT also used to mean that the amarr could probably kep up with the other suits after a certain amount of time had passed. The CCP went and DOUBLED minmatar stamina. So now amarr no longer have that distinction. Stamina by itself isn't very useful. Increasing a stamina pool while not increasing stamina recharge means that nearly all functions that require stamina, aside from running, become much more difficult. TLDR: endurance is no longer an advantage for the amarr thanks to CCP. (it was never much of an advantage to begin with though.) Well they almost doubled the regeneration rate on the Min raising it from 35 to 60, the base stamina increased from 210 to 225. The Amarr scout did not increase in recharge rate but did increase in base from 225 to 275. The jump from 35 to 60 regen rate on the Min is odd, and I am not sure if it is warranted. I can see increasing it for Melee purposes, as this is where Min are supposed to excel. I think 40 would have been a decent number for an increase if it was necessary. The Amarr scout should have seen an increase to recharge rate though, at least to remain proportional to the base increase. Unless I am missing something here.
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 104	Posted - 2014.03.17 00:11:00 - [58] - Quote since its so underpowered, i think adding a 32342134% bonus to sprint and move speed and stamina and stamina regen and damage and weapon clip size and armor HP and shield HP and a bonus to every module in existence, and give it all other suits bonuses as well per level will balance it. Sincerely, Every single person complaining about the amarr scout Kills-Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8295	Posted - 2014.03.17 00:16:00 - [59] - Quote Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: since its so underpowered, i think adding a 32342134% bonus to sprint and move speed and stamina and stamina regen and damage and weapon clip size and armor HP and shield HP and a bonus to every module in existence, and give it all other suits bonuses as well per level will balance it. Sincerely, Every single person complaining about the amarr scout This is a poor generalisation niche communities of the forums make against those who are arguing rationally for balance (trust me I know HAV did it once, Avers did it once...which resulted in bullshit balance). Not a single anti buff player has supported his or her statement with the level of factual evidence and reasoned statements that Magnus has, and refuses to do so not only making them look very immature and foolish but weak. No Amarr scout buff supporter has suggested EHP buffs we have not even back at the outset of this arguement demanded anything more than fundamental equality of skills, all other scouts get primary skill effects equal to proto type modules, in addition to their primary racial attributes, and of course secondard bonuses like the Gallente 3 reps per sec. Now when proven the Amarr scout cannot fulfill its supposedly intended role of long range runner we are called out as demanding more than we are due? The Amarr scout shold not be a light assault...now when the Gallente light frame does even that role better....... All these Amarr scouts want is a bonus that is valuable and role defining that fits in with the scout ting role. If they wanted to assault they would have picked assault or logi. " ..- -.- --. I wish I remembered morse code so I wasn't typing random letters" - Malleus Malificorum


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