As it stands, with the shield and armor skills all to level five the base HP for the Amarr sentinel is 600 armor and 600 shield for a combined total of 1200. The slots for the amarr sentinel right now are the same as those for the gallente sentinel, the gallente sentinel will be no different the the amarr in terms of base hp or slots. Literally the only thing that is changing about the heavies is their skills With the skills heavies get 25% resistance to explosives. With mass drivers getting buffed it won't be any different mass drivering a heavy in 1.8 than it is now. The only other difference is the that resistance buff. 15% resistance on 1400 armor makes for 210 extra HP. That's a little more than an extra complex armor plate, and only against one damage type. That's an edge, but it's hardly OP.

As far as TTK going up, this is actually bad for heavies comparatively, and good for medium and light frames. Remember that running a heavy is essentially a trade off of speed for hp. More time to kill means more time for a medium frame to maneuver, making strafing and cover more important, whereas when death is instantaneous, there's no time for an assault to use their speed to their advantage.

Moreover, the logos weren't really nerved at all. Equipment was nerved and the logis lost their innate reps and a few other goodies, but they're keeping their slots and high CPU and PG, meaning they can still pack a good amount of tank. Assaults, aside from the caldari are all getting useful bonuses to weapon use, and the scouts are going to better than ever at stabbing heavies in the back with cloaking.

TLDR; The people who think heavies will be OP in 1.8 aren't taking into account time to kill changes, and the fact that the heavy really isn't changing that much.

TLDR; The people who think heavies will be OP in 1.8 aren't taking into account time to kill changes, and the fact that the heavy really isn't changing that much.

Take into account the hmg isnt being touched and any heavy will kill you unless you get a jump on him.

Even if you do get the jump on them, they can just turn around and kill you because 25% of your damage will do absolutely nothing.

Take into account the hmg isnt being touched and any heavy will kill you unless you get a jump on him.

TL;DR

1.Heavy resistances to explosives will cause huge problems when using REs and grenades to counter their armor

2. Simple numerics combined with new bonuses means in an equal situation and even a slight disadvantage, light weapon heavies will prevail every single time against scout and medium suits.

3. If heavies only functioned optimally at CQC - lower mid ranges (like they are designed to) none of these issues would even be a problem.

4. I feel that one bonus or the other should have been used for heavies. Either they gain a resistance to certain weapon types based upon race, OR resistance to explosives. Getting both at once I feel leads to a huge discrepancy for other suit users.

There's a major flaw with this.
Even while getting jumped, I saw heavies just turn around after being hit with a duvolle with double damage mods, and just SHRED 750 eHP.

That's being jumped, that's not me going headon with them.

So the fact that the HMG wasn't nerfed?
Heavies WILL be OP as ****.

As far as TTK going up, this is actually bad for heavies comparatively, and good for medium and light frames. Remember that running a heavy is essentially a trade off of speed for hp. More time to kill means more time for a medium frame to maneuver, making strafing and cover more important, whereas when death is instantaneous, there's no time for an assault to use their speed to their advantage.

Quick question, should a suit with a "jack of all trades" weapon win against another suit that has twice the HP (or more) and a weapon that is designed to be dominant in close quarters (and also possibly double damage modded) if engaged in the HMG's optimal range?

If you say "yes", then should a scout with 350hp and a TAR be able to take down your medium tanked suit with a Duvolle AR at 30m?

Jump or not, you have to take into account optimal ranges, the damage of their weapon and the possible HP of the red dot... not to mention terrain, line of sight and possible other red dots hitting you from another angle.

If a scrub like me knows this, surely someone with your experience would know this and not expect the poster boy for OP rifles to do all the work for you?

Moreover, the logos weren't really nerved at all. Equipment was nerved and the logis lost their innate reps and a few other goodies, but they're keeping their slots and high CPU and PG, meaning they can still pack a good amount of tank.

Quick question, should a suit with a "jack of all trades" weapon win against another suit that has twice the HP (or more) and a weapon that is designed to be dominant in close quarters (and also possibly double damage modded) if engaged in the HMG's optimal range?

If you say "yes", then should a scout with 350hp and a TAR be able to take down your medium tanked suit with a Duvolle AR at 30m?

Jump or not, you have to take into account optimal ranges, the damage of their weapon and the possible HP of the red dot... not to mention terrain, line of sight and possible other red dots hitting you from another angle.

If a scrub like me knows this, surely someone with your experience would know this and not expect the poster boy for OP rifles to do all the work for you?

As far as TTK going up, this is actually bad for heavies comparatively, and good for medium and light frames. Remember that running a heavy is essentially a trade off of speed for hp. More time to kill means more time for a medium frame to maneuver, making strafing and cover more important, whereas when death is instantaneous, there's no time for an assault to use their speed to their advantage.

When I become supreme ruler of mankind, and the industrialized world lay in ashes and ruin, I will have you brought from my vault of "people I'm saving for later that I specifically want to watch perish", and I will personally throw you into a hole full of cannibalistic crackheads for being this stupid.

Medium/Light frames already die near instantly when facing heavies with HMGs. More TTK is a huge mistake on CCP's part and I am not surprised. How they don't see these obstacles until they hit them blows my mind.

Mark my words - The HMG, heavy HP, or the weapons that were nerfed in 1.8 will be adjusted in 1.9.

CCP is making a mistake and they will realize this.

Take into account the hmg isnt being touched and any heavy will kill you unless you get a jump on him.

Quick question, should a suit with a "jack of all trades" weapon win against another suit that has twice the HP (or more) and a weapon that is designed to be dominant in close quarters (and also possibly double damage modded) if engaged in the HMG's optimal range?

If you say "yes", then should a scout with 350hp and a TAR be able to take down your medium tanked suit with a Duvolle AR at 30m?

Jump or not, you have to take into account optimal ranges, the damage of their weapon and the possible HP of the red dot... not to mention terrain, line of sight and possible other red dots hitting you from another angle.

If a scrub like me knows this, surely someone with your experience would know this and not expect the poster boy for OP rifles to do all the work for you?