As it stands, with the shield and armor skills all to level five the base HP for the Amarr sentinel is 600 armor and 600 shield for a combined total of 1200. The slots for the amarr sentinel right now are the same as those for the gallente sentinel, the gallente sentinel will be no different the the amarr in terms of base hp or slots. Literally the only thing that is changing about the heavies is their skills With the skills heavies get 25% resistance to explosives. With mass drivers getting buffed it won't be any different mass drivering a heavy in 1.8 than it is now. The only other difference is the that resistance buff. 15% resistance on 1400 armor makes for 210 extra HP. That's a little more than an extra complex armor plate, and only against one damage type. That's an edge, but it's hardly OP.

As far as TTK going up, this is actually bad for heavies comparatively, and good for medium and light frames. Remember that running a heavy is essentially a trade off of speed for hp. More time to kill means more time for a medium frame to maneuver, making strafing and cover more important, whereas when death is instantaneous, there's no time for an assault to use their speed to their advantage.

Moreover, the logos weren't really nerved at all. Equipment was nerved and the logis lost their innate reps and a few other goodies, but they're keeping their slots and high CPU and PG, meaning they can still pack a good amount of tank. Assaults, aside from the caldari are all getting useful bonuses to weapon use, and the scouts are going to better than ever at stabbing heavies in the back with cloaking.

TLDR; The people who think heavies will be OP in 1.8 aren't taking into account time to kill changes, and the fact that the heavy really isn't changing that much.

There's a major flaw with this.
Even while getting jumped, I saw heavies just turn around after being hit with a duvolle with double damage mods, and just SHRED 750 eHP.

That's being jumped, that's not me going headon with them.

So the fact that the HMG wasn't nerfed?
Heavies WILL be OP as ****.

Oh no! now my medium frame can't solo a heavy in cqc they're OP bring back my medium suit with 1000 HP with a 1000dps gun and spam able heal equipment. Skill

Heavies will not be OP I'm speccing scouts come 1.8 take it as you will.

Kill a heavy from far away. Dont expect to get to a heavies optimal and get away with it. They are trading off a lot to be that durable; specially a proper heavy with an hmg. I hate people say heavies are op as hell or will be op ad hell when most people get into a heavy with an hmg and the first thing they do is switch the hmg for a light weapon because it doesnt meet their expectation.

Sony should THANK DUST514, because of this game, I'm going to go by a PS4....I simply refuse to play this piece of **** any more and no other PS3 games intrigue me...so Warframe here I come.

That's right...I'd rather pay 400 US than play this "F2P game" on a console I already own.

CCP, you're a ******* embarrassment to the PSN FPS community.

As it stands, with the shield and armor skills all to level five the base HP for the Amarr sentinel is 600 armor and 600 shield for a combined total of 1200. The slots for the amarr sentinel right now are the same as those for the gallente sentinel, the gallente sentinel will be no different the the amarr in terms of base hp or slots. Literally the only thing that is changing about the heavies is their skills With the skills heavies get 25% resistance to explosives. With mass drivers getting buffed it won't be any different mass drivering a heavy in 1.8 than it is now. The only other difference is the that resistance buff. 15% resistance on 1400 armor makes for 210 extra HP. That's a little more than an extra complex armor plate, and only against one damage type. That's an edge, but it's hardly OP.

As far as TTK going up, this is actually bad for heavies comparatively, and good for medium and light frames. Remember that running a heavy is essentially a trade off of speed for hp. More time to kill means more time for a medium frame to maneuver, making strafing and cover more important, whereas when death is instantaneous, there's no time for an assault to use their speed to their advantage.

Moreover, the logos weren't really nerved at all. Equipment was nerved and the logis lost their innate reps and a few other goodies, but they're keeping their slots and high CPU and PG, meaning they can still pack a good amount of tank. Assaults, aside from the caldari are all getting useful bonuses to weapon use, and the scouts are going to better than ever at stabbing heavies in the back with cloaking.

TLDR; The people who think heavies will be OP in 1.8 aren't taking into account time to kill changes, and the fact that the heavy really isn't changing that much.

hides laser
whistling and thinking of laser baked hmg heavies in 1.8 ...

What other solution do you propose to the current problem with REs being OP against Heavy Frames? Never mind what the game will be like when a cloaked mad-bomber throws down two REs and safely detonates them.


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You're conveniently omitting one crucial, crucial fact: the HMG is not receiving a nerf. TTKs across the board are increasing, but the HMG's DPS will stay the same. This is being combined with the EHP buff from resistances, particularly a very powerful resistance to splash damage, which will make grenades and REs much less useful for dealing with entrenched heavies. HMG heavies already rule the field within 25m, even against OP rifles and bricked logis. In 1.8, the only counter to a HMG heavy is going to be another HMG heavy.

Edit: 1.8 FoTM = HMG Sentinel + MagSec for range. Regen-tanked Cal for soloers, Amarr for squad play. Calling it now.

so you guys wanna nerf the hmg for doing its role wow my mind is blown

Heavy HMG is not getting a nerf dude.

Losing Weapon Prof , Nerfed Dmg mods ,and less fluxes is a bit of a nerf to it .

There's a major flaw with this.
Even while getting jumped, I saw heavies just turn around after being hit with a duvolle with double damage mods, and just SHRED 750 eHP.

That's being jumped, that's not me going headon with them.

So the fact that the HMG wasn't nerfed?
Heavies WILL be OP as ****.

So you guys wanna ban the nuclear bomb for doing its role wow my mind is blown

So you guys wanna ban the flamethrower from modern warfare for doing its role wow my mind is blown

So you guys wanna ban chemical weapons for doing their role wow my mind is blown

So you guys wanna ban hollow point rounds from conventional warfare for doing its role wow my mind is blown

You must have a pretty small mind, boy.

If it does it's job too well it gets nerfed even in real life. This is a video game, dumbass. It's supposed to be fair competition. I've been playing with a militia heavy and basic AR/CR and can honestly say even at militia it seems like it takes way less effort and strategy to play as than anything else. How is that fair when your opponent has to try harder, and invest more SP to match you? I'm building up a nice collage of pictures of my scores, too. If you can't play as a heavy, you literally suck at life.

Lolz did you just say the flamethrower did a great job. It burned people alive and tended to explode. No it didn't do its job right and was banned because of its cruel way of death. The nuclear bomb wasn't banned it's still in use dur. Chemical weapons only fear opposing countries we have mop gear for Chem attacks. And hollow point rounds weren't banned are you high? Don't bring real life into a video game asshat

Wow, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about and have missed the entire point of my post. Are you half ******** or just 100% stupid?

Damn right he should.
He took the time to flank and set up an optimal engagement.
He deserves that kill.

So you guys wanna ban the nuclear bomb for doing its role wow my mind is blown

So you guys wanna ban the flamethrower from modern warfare for doing its role wow my mind is blown

So you guys wanna ban chemical weapons for doing their role wow my mind is blown

So you guys wanna ban hollow point rounds from conventional warfare for doing its role wow my mind is blown

You must have a pretty small mind, boy.

If it does it's job too well it gets nerfed even in real life. This is a video game, dumbass. It's supposed to be fair competition. I've been playing with a militia heavy and basic AR/CR and can honestly say even at militia it seems like it takes way less effort and strategy to play as than anything else. How is that fair when your opponent has to try harder, and invest more SP to match you? I'm building up a nice collage of pictures of my scores, too. If you can't play as a heavy, you literally suck at life.

Post is irrelevant.
Comparing RL to a sci-fi video game is irrelevant

Playing with an AR/CR on a heavy frame is NOT the same as playing with an HMG.

Side note - calling someone names in an argument can be an effective way of diverting attention from the lack of substance in one's statements... but not on this occasion.

Dude, with that logic then name one weapon that ISN'T getting nerfed? Think for TWO SECONDS before speaking.