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Posted - 2014.03.09 01:57:00 -
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:Atiim wrote:Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:Atiim wrote:Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:Blowing hot air around guys?
Okay whatever, just remember that your complaints about reducing HAV speed won't be listened to because Webifiers are being designed to slow vehicles down in the future...
Cause, you know... if any of you actually took the time to read around instead of just flat-line complaining, you'd know of this tool, and would be promoting it's release... Not blowing around anymore hot air than tankers did once the AV nerf was announced  The line you just wrote here basically says that "Tankers were huffing about how underpowered AV would be when the nerf patch notes were released." I don't think you read through what you wrote there... This is why I can't stand when people use idioms. So you're saying you don't want to be able to set webifier traps? Such a thing would allow tanks to be the prominent force in open areas, but in enclosed areas or nodes, the tanks would be highly vulnerable. This kind of situational power seems ideal to me.
I actually like the thought of webifires, and have suggested them myself.
What I can't stand, is when people use idioms such as "hit the books" or "piece of cake."
Not really sure why, but I'm not that great when it comes to idioms.[/quote]
Did you say, cake? If so, that cake is a lie.
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Altina McAlterson
Pure Innocence.
EoN.
909
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Posted - 2014.03.09 01:59:00 -
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Atiim wrote:
This is why I can't stand when people use idioms.
Hey there, bub. Who you callin an idiom?
Running a blaster tank in ambush is like bringing Anthrax to a pillow fight.
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Godin Thekiller
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
1845
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Posted - 2014.03.09 01:59:00 -
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ads alt wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:ads alt wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Caldari are slow, long range shield tankers.
Gallentte are fast, close ranged armour tankers. Yet in eve you can fit a shield ship to brawl And those fits are quite silly. The only way I see you getting past that is with Winmatar ships (Caldari ships are silly for CQ), and even then, you better be able to fly well. You do realize in eve caldari shields arent puny like dust? Compared to it I mean
Not puny, just slow as ****. when I tried the ships out (got it to BC then stopped due to awfulness). I would die a lot more compared to my Winmatar ships due to their sluggish speed (to compare I would die in 31% of the time compared to the 22% with a Winmatar ship, and 18% with a Gallente ship).
EDIT: Actually, I wonder why Caldari has lower shields than Gallente has armor in the first place.. Last time I checked, it was the other way around (but Gallente's shield was always higher than Caldari's armor, so it came up to being equal on tank).
'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
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Twelve Guage
Death Firm.
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
98
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Posted - 2014.03.09 02:02:00 -
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How about having the damn things blow up like it used to.
Death Firm recruiter and sandwiches maker.
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ads alt
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Posted - 2014.03.09 02:03:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:ads alt wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:ads alt wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Caldari are slow, long range shield tankers.
Gallentte are fast, close ranged armour tankers. Yet in eve you can fit a shield ship to brawl And those fits are quite silly. The only way I see you getting past that is with Winmatar ships (Caldari ships are silly for CQ), and even then, you better be able to fly well. You do realize in eve caldari shields arent puny like dust? Compared to it I mean Not puny, just slow as ****. when I tried the ships out (got it to BC then stopped due to awfulness). I would die a lot more compared to my Winmatar ships due to their sluggish speed (to compare I would die in 31% of the time compared to the 22% with a Winmatar ship, and 18% with a Gallente ship).
So? In dust they suck unkess you stack 5 extenders and you obviously fit your ship wrong...
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Godin Thekiller
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
1845
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Posted - 2014.03.09 02:08:00 -
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ads alt wrote:
So? In dust they suck unkess you stack 5 extenders and you obviously fit your ship wrong...
lol, Gunnlogi's and Sica's are better than Maddy's and Soma's currently, and you can't even put 5 ext. on a fit right now. What are you talking about? And no, I fitted my ship right; I'm just better fighting while going faster than a turd.
'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
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Godin Thekiller
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
1846
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Posted - 2014.03.09 02:10:00 -
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Twelve Guage wrote:How about having the damn things blow up like it used to be.
It changed for a reason bluedot.
'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
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ads alt
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Posted - 2014.03.09 02:10:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:ads alt wrote:
So? In dust they suck unkess you stack 5 extenders and you obviously fit your ship wrong...
lol, Gunnlogi's and Sica's are better than Maddy's and Soma's currently, and you can't even put 5 ext. on a fit right now. What are you talking about? And no, I fitted my ship right; I'm just better fighting while going faster than a turd.
Calogi
And lol the sica is ****
Gunlogis are ahit, my madrugar is far better and is faster and has nos
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SgtDoughnut
Red Star Jr.
EoN.
444
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Posted - 2014.03.09 02:12:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:ads alt wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:ads alt wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Caldari are slow, long range shield tankers.
Gallentte are fast, close ranged armour tankers. Yet in eve you can fit a shield ship to brawl And those fits are quite silly. The only way I see you getting past that is with Winmatar ships (Caldari ships are silly for CQ), and even then, you better be able to fly well. You do realize in eve caldari shields arent puny like dust? Compared to it I mean Not puny, just slow as ****. when I tried the ships out (got it to BC then stopped due to awfulness). I would die a lot more compared to my Winmatar ships due to their sluggish speed (to compare I would die in 31% of the time compared to the 22% with a Winmatar ship, and 18% with a Gallente ship). EDIT: Actually, I wonder why Caldari has lower shields than Gallente has armor in the first place.. Last time I checked, it was the other way around (but Gallente's shield was always higher than Caldari's armor, so it came up to being equal on tank).
If you ever die in a drake in a pve environment (pvp different story you die lots in drakes, but always last) you are flying your ship wrong. |
Godin Thekiller
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
1846
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Posted - 2014.03.09 02:13:00 -
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ads alt wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:ads alt wrote:
So? In dust they suck unkess you stack 5 extenders and you obviously fit your ship wrong...
lol, Gunnlogi's and Sica's are better than Maddy's and Soma's currently, and you can't even put 5 ext. on a fit right now. What are you talking about? And no, I fitted my ship right; I'm just better fighting while going faster than a turd. Calogi And lol the sica is **** Gunlogis are ahit, my madrugar is far better and is faster and has nos
Yet I would kill you in said **** Sica or GUnnlogi
Hell, I would kill you in my Maddy's, so like it even matters.
'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
5470
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Posted - 2014.03.09 02:13:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Twelve Guage wrote:How about having the damn things blow up like it used to be. It changed for a reason bluedot.
Yep. CCP heard Godin Thebad's tears and was quick to give him his bib and diaper.
lolPLC
[s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through
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ads alt
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Posted - 2014.03.09 02:16:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:ads alt wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:ads alt wrote:
So? In dust they suck unkess you stack 5 extenders and you obviously fit your ship wrong...
lol, Gunnlogi's and Sica's are better than Maddy's and Soma's currently, and you can't even put 5 ext. on a fit right now. What are you talking about? And no, I fitted my ship right; I'm just better fighting while going faster than a turd. Calogi And lol the sica is **** Gunlogis are ahit, my madrugar is far better and is faster and has nos Yet I would kill you in said **** Sica or GUnnlogi Hell, I would kill you in my Maddy's, so like it even matters.
no, you wont
i kill all shield tanks
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
662
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Posted - 2014.03.09 02:20:00 -
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Atiim wrote:I actually like the thought of webifires, and have suggested them myself..
To me it seems that the current vehicles are nicely balanced for Webifier deployment. Standard and Advanced swarm launchers need a bit of extra damage, and possibly 50 more meters for lock-on..
I'd have to say the ideal range for a tank would be between how it used to be where you'd often WTFsplode without time to react a few patches ago, and the relative "low tension" awareness that tanks currently have, and would make both sides of the field a bit more fun to play on.
I do both Tank and AV, so I try to think of either side when I suggest things.
Webifiers would help the field so that the AV ability to engage would toggle with the Tank ability to escape.
After the windows of engagement are developed, the power of AV might have to be changed, but I don't think it would much.
If you can read this, it means you are reading.
Unless you are skimming
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Auris Lionesse
Capital Acquisitions LLC
Renegade Alliance
400
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Posted - 2014.03.09 02:24:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Auris Lionesse wrote:
Actually it's very simple
The nitro for high slot is the microwarpdrive of dust.
Armor tank zips in and brawls.
Shield s aren't weighed down and have stronger caps for shields so they move faster but aren't as good up close. They try to keep distance.
You realize that Gallente ships are faster than Caldari ships stock, right?
Not all of them. Some are faster some are slower.
A caracal is faster than a vexor, that's just one example.
Gallente tanks have a higher top speed but caldari tanks accelerate faster and are more maneuverable.
slower ships usually have an afterburner if they want speed good luck trying to catch any cap stable afterburner ship unless you have a webifier and a microwarpdrive. |
poison Diego
NECROM0NGERS
The CORVOS
326
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Posted - 2014.03.09 02:35:00 -
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ads alt wrote:Atiim wrote:How about HAVs lose 50% of their speed in general? How about 30% and a nitros neef, and the gunlogi gets to be faster because balance?
Dont you even...
Nitrus already got nerfed the **** out of it, dont know the percentage on th nerf but it was more than 40% I assure you.
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Auris Lionesse
Capital Acquisitions LLC
Renegade Alliance
400
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Posted - 2014.03.09 02:45:00 -
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poison Diego wrote:ads alt wrote:Atiim wrote:How about HAVs lose 50% of their speed in general? How about 30% and a nitros neef, and the gunlogi gets to be faster because balance? Dont you even... Nitrus already got nerfed the **** out of it, dont know the percentage on th nerf but it was more than 40% I assure you.
And they're still too fast and can completely outrun swarms like a dropship which is also completely broken. |
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Posted - 2014.03.09 03:35:00 -
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poison Diego wrote:ads alt wrote:Atiim wrote:How about HAVs lose 50% of their speed in general? How about 30% and a nitros neef, and the gunlogi gets to be faster because balance? Dont you even... Nitrus already got nerfed the **** out of it, dont know the percentage on th nerf but it was more than 40% I assure you.
Lol no, it was 5%
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Mortedeamor
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
1445
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Posted - 2014.03.09 12:45:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:ads alt wrote:Atiim wrote:How about HAVs lose 50% of their speed in general? How about 30% and a nitros neef, and the gunlogi gets to be faster because balance? 20% acceleration nerf, and 15% speed nerf. No to the nitro nerf. and Gunnlogi will never be faster than the Maddy ever again. It made no sense in the first place, and it won't now, nor will it ever. What sense does it make for an Armored HAV to be faster than a Shielded HAV? Less HP = More Speed. Pretty simple concept to understand.
the armor havs have higher top speed lower accel
the caldari have lower top speed higher accel (this also makes them more effective at traversing the hills and mountains rail sniping.)
caldari tanks are have higher mobility higher accel at the loss of overall top speed where as the madurgar sacrifices mobility and accel for high top speed
they are now how they are meant to be and perfectly fine...speed gunlogi tanking is not viable only because ccp is reworking the chassis and overdrive (torque) modules..
when those come back gunlogi users will be able to sacrifice low end slot for much higher speed.
A laser rifle master for life not just for when it becomes popular
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Burn the Heretics
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ROMULUS H3X
research lab
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Posted - 2014.03.09 13:45:00 -
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negative49er wrote:It loses 50% of it speed agree 
Not only should the speed be reduced when on fire and smoke billowing out like a coal factory, but the fire should be causing damage... like it used to.
Also. Dropships shouldnt be able to fly with 0 armor either...
FORGE/FLAYLOCK/FISTS--NUFF SED
YOU SHALL NOT CATCH ME FOR I AM THE GINGERBREAD FATMAN
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bamboo x
Eternal Beings
Proficiency V.
174
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Posted - 2014.03.09 13:47:00 -
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In a squad tonight, one of our corp members was like
"dropsuits should be able to catch fire"
They totally should.
Sign my petition for mortal tanks
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
2882
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Posted - 2014.03.09 13:50:00 -
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No
Intelligence is OP
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Posted - 2014.03.09 14:16:00 -
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ROMULUS H3X wrote:negative49er wrote:It loses 50% of it speed agree Not only should the speed be reduced when on fire and smoke billowing out like a coal factory, but the fire should be causing damage... like it used to. Also. Dropships shouldnt be able to fly with 0 armor either...
Yes it should
Because armor isnt the hull...
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Benjamin Heisenberg
Expert Intervention
Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2014.03.09 14:22:00 -
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Atiim wrote:How about HAVs lose 50% of their speed in general?
real tanks are fast. They r also not easy to kill.. Quit bitching.
'If thatGÇÖs true, if you donGÇÖt know who I am, then maybe your best courseGǪ would be to tread lightly.GÇÖ
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Benjamin Heisenberg
Expert Intervention
Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2014.03.09 14:27:00 -
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Tanks are fine.. They just need to be more expensive. They are to cheap and anyone can run one.. If they are a million each. You will not see spam.tanks are not supposed to be easy to kill,they're realistically fast,and they are expensive.. Why not incorporate it in the game. U want a game without tanks and the ability to be like your enemy at a moments notice? Play COD. This game is based on teamwork and versatility.
'If thatGÇÖs true, if you donGÇÖt know who I am, then maybe your best courseGǪ would be to tread lightly.GÇÖ
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Derpty Derp
It's All Gone Derp
113
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Posted - 2014.03.09 14:30:00 -
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To balance tanks, we just need to nerf the **** out of large turrets or remove them altogether... Without the super instakill everything damage we could have tanks that actually tank, also with the extra health drop their speed so they can actually be killed. |
Obodiah Garro
Tech Guard
RISE of LEGION
810
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Posted - 2014.03.09 15:08:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:ads alt wrote:Atiim wrote:ads alt wrote:Atiim wrote:How about HAVs lose 50% of their speed in general? How about 30% and a nitros neef, and the gunlogi gets to be faster because balance? If the Gunnlogi was made any faster, we'd shatter all balance and they would be broken beyond human comprehension. How about we add light and heavy NOS Modules, and balance along those lines. The gunlogi NEEDS to be faster than The maddie otherwise the maddie will be op srill, cant hit and run if I cant run... Caldari isn't hit and run, so your logic is flawed.
Yea it is, so your comment is null and void.
Nemo me impune lacessit
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Harpyja
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1243
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Posted - 2014.03.09 15:19:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:ads alt wrote:Atiim wrote:ads alt wrote:Atiim wrote:How about HAVs lose 50% of their speed in general? How about 30% and a nitros neef, and the gunlogi gets to be faster because balance? If the Gunnlogi was made any faster, we'd shatter all balance and they would be broken beyond human comprehension. How about we add light and heavy NOS Modules, and balance along those lines. The gunlogi NEEDS to be faster than The maddie otherwise the maddie will be op srill, cant hit and run if I cant run... Caldari isn't hit and run, so your logic is flawed.
Then in that case the Gunnlogi needs a comparable amount of shields as the Madrugar has armor.
Caldari and Amarr in EVE can stack up the most amount of raw and effective HP, but in Dust Caldari is squishy because "shields must have less raw HP" and Gallente beat Amarr in brick tanking.
"By His light, and His will"
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ads alt
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Posted - 2014.03.09 15:31:00 -
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Harpyja wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:ads alt wrote:ads alt wrote:Atiim wrote:How about HAVs lose 50% of their speed in general? How about 30% and a nitros neef, and the gunlogi gets to be faster because balance? If the Gunnlogi was made any faster, we'd shatter all balance and they would be broken beyond human comprehension. How about we add light and heavy NOS Modules, and balance along those lines. The gunlogi NEEDS to be faster than The maddie otherwise the maddie will be op srill, cant hit and run if I cant run... Caldari isn't hit and run, so your logic is flawed Then in that case the Gunnlogi needs a comparable amount of shields as the Madrugar has armor. Caldari and Amarr in EVE can stack up the most amount of raw and effective HP, but in Dust Caldari is squishy because "shields must have less raw HP" and Gallente beat Amarr in brick tanking.
in eve, how so? 2 large extenders, 2 adaptive fields, XL booster......? thats all i can see
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
5500
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Posted - 2014.03.09 15:39:00 -
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Benjamin Heisenberg wrote:Atiim wrote:How about HAVs lose 50% of their speed in general? real tanks are fast. They r also not easy to kill.. Quit bitching.
In real life AV usually OHKs every vehicle and existence, and/or kills the entire crew inside.
We had balance around real-life, but people like you wouldn't quit b!tching about it, so we had things your way.
Thanks for the advice, but nobody likes a hypocrite.
lolPLC
[s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through
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Obodiah Garro
Tech Guard
RISE of LEGION
812
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Posted - 2014.03.09 15:41:00 -
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A lot of dusters wont know but CCP royally screwed Caldari at the get go. Initially thought out to be a long range high tech race, Caldari ships ended up suffering from terrible speed and agility making LR warfare and kiting next to impossible unless you seriously undermine your ship.
In Dust they did it right so far, the RR is decent DPS and has range ability, the Rail Cannon is doing what it is intended to do and the Gunnlogi although not the fast has the agility it needs to transverse situational areas (such as getting around towers easily and can belt through a complex at full speed).
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