Clearly you can't read because i have said this twice in this topic, if our timers were set to the majority of the player base NS wouldn't have anything close to the amount of district they have, i have been agreeing with you on this point about our timers, but you didn't answer my other question, you say NS bandwagons but why did you let them join EoN. if they had the reputation???

I didn't let NS join EoN. I was never in charge of EoN.

plus at the time, NS had only been in NF, had been in NF since early on when, although NF was dominant, no one saw them as the super power in MH (due to them holding low land counts)

They joined EoN. when they were on top, left when they just started to go downward, to hop elsewhere.

Actually I believe NS was in LoI for a short spell before EoN.


doesn't really matter. I never had a say in the matter and tbh don't know which way I woulda went even if I DID have say.

that's ok tho. come join NF. I can get you in.

Only cost u have your land and a 30bil entry fee and we can get you guys set up quite nicely ;)

my loyalty and words can be bought.

I want that 12th digit in my wallet so help me get there and ill be your friend

I didn't let NS join EoN. I was never in charge of EoN.

plus at the time, NS had only been in NF, had been in NF since early on when, although NF was dominant, no one saw them as the super power in MH (due to them holding low land counts)

They joined EoN. when they were on top, left when they just started to go downward, to hop elsewhere.

Actually I believe NS was in LoI for a short spell before EoN.


doesn't really matter. I never had a say in the matter and tbh don't know which way I woulda went even if I DID have say.

that's ok tho. come join NF. I can get you in.

Only cost u have your land and a 30bil entry fee and we can get you guys set up quite nicely ;)

my loyalty and words can be bought.

I want that 12th digit in my wallet so help me get there and ill be your friend

weird part is NS could afford that.

We are not that rich

Not looking to start anything just what to point out the fact that WTF came to us asking for a truce when they ran out of ISK because they lost 90% of the battles. All intense fun fights but when you say little war don't forget who won that war.

We are not that rich

The by-and-large difference is that General Tso's is not a particularly integrated alliance. The corps in GTA who have PFC districts largely are fighting entirely their own battles. Whereas WTFA's district is half or more WTF members every fight. And WTFA is a training corp for WTF, not just "another corp in the alliance".

Sure, the distinction isn't 100% cut and dry, but that's why we have a Council that can vote on these things as a community.

Mr Machine Guns, the fact that you have still failed to grasp, all this time later: Is that PFC rules don't affect you, so you have no real reason to care, or keep trying to dictate what those rules are. People who have an invested participation in PFC are agreeing upon the rules of conduct.

TRE will be using it for practice matches with other PFC corps. I know our EU side actually is looking forward to getting a chance to face off with them. (I've also been told TRE will be abstaining from voting since they're in N-F.)

But you aren't on PFC either so why do you care what I'm writing I

Excuse me, sir, you are speaking to the PFC Council Administrator. The Unbiased non-voting member of PFC council to help drive the PFC cruise ship.

Unlike a certain group of players who've been on PFC for ages and did nothing to help it - he's a part of a small corp whose never even past the mid-tier bracket. His vested interest is a sincere one - where as your sudden interest comes off as contrived and with reasons of your own.

If you wish to continue speaking about PFC policies than I would like to hear why you're suddenly interested in what people you'll never likely play or speak too do.

Im just voicing my opinion on the council and why i think its a bad idea, I understand why they have to pay whatever amount of protection they pay to NF, but it just seems like the council is taking a very long time to come up with rules for PFC when it took me 5 mins to think of those 6 rules i wrote, and i thought the council was not supposed to have permeant members other then NF and he's the one that been rude to me many times for no reason other then me saying my own opinion about the matter

PFC doesn't work. It just an ISK sink for others to get rich on. I asked about 3 weeks ago for someone to show proof that PFc actually worked. Meaning, a Corp was there, got themselves trained then moved into the rest of MH and had success.

Most of you nerds are all about posting pics and info, dig that one up please. Lets see how PFC has helped a corp.

The problem with your line of thought is your one person deciding for everyone - where as the council is the people deciding for themselves.

Of course one process is going to take slower - but so what? Is there any reason at all to speed things up without going through everything first?

If you want a system to last you need to work on the kinks. Saying it doesn't work because it's too slow (when the speed of decision isn't even stopping the functioning aspect of PFC) is absurd.

PFC doesn't work. It just an ISK sink for others to get rich on. I asked about 3 weeks ago for someone to show proof that PFc actually worked. Meaning, a Corp was there, got themselves trained then moved into the rest of MH and had success.

Most of you nerds are all about posting pics and info, dig that one up please. Lets see how PFC has helped a corp.

You realize no one listens to you anymore, right?

I could copy and paste "PFC doesn't work, I hate my enemies making ISK." And it would fit the sum of your posts each and every time. Lol

But heres the one thing with this slow process i assume your Sota right?? As long as NF gets the money from the corps they could care less about rules being set up in a fair amount of time because they are getting their isk from the corps on PFC

It doesn't deny the fact that there has never been a corp who literally started out on PFC and rose to become any kind of power in PC in the past. Perhaps this will change in the future and the new system can help that. Perhaps.

Until PFC gets it's act together we won't be sent out to enforce policies that don't exist yet - and if we aren't sent out on enforcement we don't get paid. NF's interest would be for the council to decide on rules so we can get to work.

But you aren't on PFC either so why do you care what I'm writing I'm just voicing my opinion about PFC, it just seems like the council is taking a very long time to set up rules and i think the council is a bad idea because it just might lead to corps staying longer then intended

PFC rules will effected everyone because if alliances hold district both on PFC and outside PFC, and a war happens what are the PFC district off limits or are they fair game because those two alliances are fighting each other

PFC doesn't work. It just an ISK sink for others to get rich on. I asked about 3 weeks ago for someone to show proof that PFc actually worked. Meaning, a Corp was there, got themselves trained then moved into the rest of MH and had success.

Most of you nerds are all about posting pics and info, dig that one up please. Lets see how PFC has helped a corp.

Ok that maybe true but why are you removing a corp from PFC is it because that one policy has been set up and its about having a certain amount of district outside of PFC??

I thought NF received a certain amount of isk every week not just when they need to enforce the rules of NF,

Ok that maybe true but why are you removing a corp from PFC is it because that one policy has been set up and its about having a certain amount of district outside of PFC??

I thought NF received a certain amount of isk every week not just when they need to enforce the rules of NF,

Actually, the Council revised it's financing agreement with N-F since then.

And several rules and policies have been set up. I don't think the Council feels ready to make them a public document yet though.

It's not your decision how long people are "intended" to remain on PFC. While my corp is not on PFC, I do on occasion play in an alliance PFC fight, and even though that isn't frequent anymore (we have a lot of newer players who want a crack at it), I support my alliance. And my alliance benefits from PFC.



PFC is neutral ground, it should not be warred over. There is a rule already in place forbidding the use of clones from PFC districts in attacks on outside districts, so you can rest assured that PFC districts cannot pose a threat to you in a time of war.



As many others have noted, there's fundamentally no way for a corp that isn't a top corp to become a top corp as long as all the supposed top tier players take the easy way out and buddy up with other folks that are already at that level. (I have a longstanding belief many of them would be great trainers and platoon leaders that could develop newer players into a fighting force, if they gave it a shot.) But corps exist on activity, the chance to have good fights. PFC allows corps to exist and thrive on the fact that they can play against other corps on PFC. Without having to be able to compete with Ancient Exiles or Nyain San.

I've seen a lot of Renegade Alliance folks suggesting there should be a term limit to being on PFC. But the real question is: How many matches do you think it should take a newbie corp to practice in PC before they should be able to compete with AE's A-team? At three matches a week, how long is it going to take?