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Mr Machine Guns
Nyain San
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.07 04:06:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:The council voted and passed the enforcement resolution for your removal due to WTF's extensive land holdings outside of PFC and the direct relationship between WTFR and WTFRA in violation of rules passed by the council. You were even offered to be paid for your district to peaceful leave and you refused.
This is why the council is a bad idea i feel. Now people can be voted off of PFC because their main corp has district outside of PFC but what about alliance members that hold district outside of PFC isn't that the same thing? Another reason why i feel that the council is a bad idea is because is because it just seems like corps are setting up to stay longer on PFC then they should be allowed
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Mr Machine Guns
Nyain San
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.07 05:38:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:xMaggot Brainx wrote:FYI , it was Kain Spero who approached PFC landowners about creating a council in the first place. Actually, he solicited people's opinions on what should be done about PFC. I'm one of the people who heavily proposed community enforcement. Spero provides the brute force that backs it up. The Council has been voting regularly on implementing a cohesive set of rules, and the Council also votes whether or not to remove corps when they're perceived to violate those rules. Spero does not have a vote. (Neither do I, actually.)
but you aren't on PFC so why are you in the council
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Mr Machine Guns
Nyain San
Renegade Alliance
490
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Posted - 2014.03.07 06:00:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Mr Machine Guns wrote:but you aren't on PFC so why are you in the council I'm sort of the secretary. I set up the vote threads, close the vote threads, etc. You do not want a Council member to do that since their district may be removed. And you do not want Spero to do it, since then he might have too much say in what does and doesn't reach the voting floor in the Council. The role I fill should also have a procedure for the Council to replace me as well, but we haven't gotten there yet, I think.
but you being a secretary can lead to you being biased because you might favor corps in your alliance,i just feel this council is a terrible idea and i feel i can 10 rules max that will be simple and easy to follow
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Mr Machine Guns
Nyain San
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.07 13:21:00 -
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote:Mr Machine Guns wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Mr Machine Guns wrote:but you aren't on PFC so why are you in the council I'm sort of the secretary. I set up the vote threads, close the vote threads, etc. You do not want a Council member to do that since their district may be removed. And you do not want Spero to do it, since then he might have too much say in what does and doesn't reach the voting floor in the Council. The role I fill should also have a procedure for the Council to replace me as well, but we haven't gotten there yet, I think. but you being a secretary can lead to you being biased because you might favor corps in your alliance,i just feel this council is a terrible idea and i feel i can 10 rules max that will be simple and easy to follow I feel Nyain San riding the jock of whoever is currently in Power and hiding behind timers on districts they never took, aside from using their clones is a travesty. heard about your stellar performance in not being able to defend your alliance's district last night. no big deal tho right? It wasnt yours and for some reason PC is tankbush. #tankspamdoesntworkinPC#gettheMeMo
Not in the PC last night so have no idea what you are talking about, all I'm saying is this council thing seems like they are taking there time to set up the rules when it is the simplest thing to do i can set up rules for PFC in one to two days that will be easy and simple to follow. District we never took what are you talking about? Wow we lost a PC last night too big deal
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Mr Machine Guns
Nyain San
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.07 17:25:00 -
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But saying got district because of the amount of clones we sent makes no sense to me, because isn't one of the main advantages of having district is to send what ever amount of clones we want?
I said this before if we were on regular timers we wouldn't have as many district as NS has now, I'm agreeing with you there but it just happens the majority of our players are Japanese so there nothing really we can do about the timers.
NS bandwagon but what corp really hasn't done that, NS joined NF but didn't NF leave NS without the alliance they joined? I can link a post about someone in NF being very happy that NS joined that alliance. Yes NS joined EoN. towards the end but i wasn't there when they first joined but from what i understand you guys accepted them in EoN. If they had the reputation why did you accept them into your alliance?
A month or two ago RND, VALOR, FA launched a attack on our districts at the same time one district was flipped i can link the vids to them
But heres the thing why are you trying to get off topic, nothing i said was about PC i was just voicing my opinion on PFC and how i think this council is a bad idea, all I'm saying is i can think of easy and simple rules to follow for PFC, all I'm saying is that the council is just a way for corps to stay longer then intended
Last thing why does everyone on the forums try to humiliate NS its not like they smack talk you guys, In fact people like milkman might be one of the nicest players on this game
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Mr Machine Guns
Nyain San
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.07 18:14:00 -
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote:Mr Machine Guns wrote:But saying got district because of the amount of clones we sent makes no sense to me, because isn't one of the main advantages of having district is to send what ever amount of clones we want?
I said this before if we were on regular timers we wouldn't have as many district as NS has now, I'm agreeing with you there but it just happens the majority of our players are Japanese so there nothing really we can do about the timers.
NS bandwagon but what corp really hasn't done that, NS joined NF but didn't NF leave NS without the alliance they joined? I can link a post about someone in NF being very happy that NS joined that alliance. Yes NS joined EoN. towards the end but i wasn't there when they first joined but from what i understand you guys accepted them in EoN. If they had the reputation why did you accept them into your alliance?
A month or two ago RND, VALOR, FA launched a attack on our districts at the same time one district was flipped i can link the vids to them
But heres the thing why are you trying to get off topic, nothing i said was about PC i was just voicing my opinion on PFC and how i think this council is a bad idea, all I'm saying is i can think of easy and simple rules to follow for PFC, all I'm saying is that the council is just a way for corps to stay longer then intended
Last thing why does everyone on the forums try to humiliate NS its not like they smack talk you guys, In fact people like milkman might be one of the nicest players on this game Simple. Nyain has no talnet on their own times. Likely because the japanese games have altered their own gaming times to play when late eu/na are on...u know, where the competition is. the best NS can field can be on at these times, where like u said u cant defend a wet fart underwater in a cave on your own times. Its not humiliating, its just fact. Pubs are more challenging. Put your timers, even only a few at a time, on american times. o thats right, then pfc corps could expand and random pub groups could make a corp and get land. stop defending a corp that has never had any talent aside from 3 people. Havent been able to wipe their own asses without help, and most definitely have no say in what happens in molden heath you just happen to be in the fortunate position of having a greater pile of isk than anyone. you say im wrong? Put your timers on american, see how long they last
Clearly you can't read because i have said this twice in this topic, if our timers were set to the majority of the player base NS wouldn't have anything close to the amount of district they have, i have been agreeing with you on this point about our timers, but you didn't answer my other question, you say NS bandwagons but why did you let them join EoN. if they had the reputation???
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Mr Machine Guns
Nyain San
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.07 19:07:00 -
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote:Mr Machine Guns wrote:
Clearly you can't read because i have said this twice in this topic, if our timers were set to the majority of the player base NS wouldn't have anything close to the amount of district they have, i have been agreeing with you on this point about our timers, but you didn't answer my other question, you say NS bandwagons but why did you let them join EoN. if they had the reputation???
I didn't let NS join EoN. I was never in charge of EoN. plus at the time, NS had only been in NF, had been in NF since early on when, although NF was dominant, no one saw them as the super power in MH (due to them holding low land counts) They joined EoN. when they were on top, left when they just started to go downward, to hop elsewhere. Actually I believe NS was in LoI for a short spell before EoN. doesn't really matter. I never had a say in the matter and tbh don't know which way I woulda went even if I DID have say. that's ok tho. come join NF. I can get you in. Only cost u have your land and a 30bil entry fee and we can get you guys set up quite nicely ;) my loyalty and words can be bought. I want that 12th digit in my wallet so help me get there and ill be your friend 
Yes NS was in LoI after NF i think they left after Kujo and other left HS then NS rejoined NF i believe then join EoN. after the player bases started to decline because didn't they join after the FEC and that tournament or am i wrong then left EoN. then join Pro V. left that because AE wasn't joining that alliance, so NS left to join RA
edit: don't worry I'm sending that 5 million isk i owe
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Mr Machine Guns
Nyain San
Renegade Alliance
495
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Posted - 2014.03.07 19:12:00 -
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Derrith Erador wrote:CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote:Mr Machine Guns wrote:
Clearly you can't read because i have said this twice in this topic, if our timers were set to the majority of the player base NS wouldn't have anything close to the amount of district they have, i have been agreeing with you on this point about our timers, but you didn't answer my other question, you say NS bandwagons but why did you let them join EoN. if they had the reputation???
I didn't let NS join EoN. I was never in charge of EoN. plus at the time, NS had only been in NF, had been in NF since early on when, although NF was dominant, no one saw them as the super power in MH (due to them holding low land counts) They joined EoN. when they were on top, left when they just started to go downward, to hop elsewhere. Actually I believe NS was in LoI for a short spell before EoN. doesn't really matter. I never had a say in the matter and tbh don't know which way I woulda went even if I DID have say. that's ok tho. come join NF. I can get you in. Only cost u have your land and a 30bil entry fee and we can get you guys set up quite nicely ;) my loyalty and words can be bought. I want that 12th digit in my wallet so help me get there and ill be your friend weird part is NS could afford that.
We are not that rich
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Mr Machine Guns
Nyain San
Renegade Alliance
497
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Posted - 2014.03.07 19:43:00 -
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I like how this topic got off topic after i posted something about the PFC council and how i feel its not a good idea. Rules are simple for PFC ill list some right now
1.) An attacking corp needs to notify a defending corp if they plan on using ringers
2.) Eve support maybe used but only if agreed upon, just because it a clone pack attack
3.) 1 to 2 month stay on PFC max
4.) An alliance can have only hold two district on PFC at a time
5.) If your alliance holds x amount of district outside PFC you should not be allowed to hold a district on PFC, just what happens in case of a war are the district on PFC open to attack??
6.) When a corp leaves PFC, they are not allowed to give district to an alliance member
see its that simple to come up with rules
I have another question I understand why Escrow has a district on PFC, but why does The Rainbow Effect have one they are a good corp and don't understand why they have one
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Mr Machine Guns
Nyain San
Renegade Alliance
498
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Posted - 2014.03.07 20:23:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Mr Machine Guns, the fact that you have still failed to grasp, all this time later: Is that PFC rules don't affect you, so you have no real reason to care, or keep trying to dictate what those rules are. People who have an invested participation in PFC are agreeing upon the rules of conduct.
TRE will be using it for practice matches with other PFC corps. I know our EU side actually is looking forward to getting a chance to face off with them. (I've also been told TRE will be abstaining from voting since they're in N-F.)
But you aren't on PFC either so why do you care what I'm writing I'm just voicing my opinion about PFC, it just seems like the council is taking a very long time to set up rules and i think the council is a bad idea because it just might lead to corps staying longer then intended
PFC rules will effected everyone because if alliances hold district both on PFC and outside PFC, and a war happens what are the PFC district off limits or are they fair game because those two alliances are fighting each other
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Mr Machine Guns
Nyain San
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.07 20:44:00 -
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Dr PepperPoP wrote:Mr Machine Guns wrote:
But you aren't on PFC either so why do you care what I'm writing I
Excuse me, sir, you are speaking to the PFC Council Administrator. The Unbiased non-voting member of PFC council to help drive the PFC cruise ship. Unlike a certain group of players who've been on PFC for ages and did nothing to help it - he's a part of a small corp whose never even past the mid-tier bracket. His vested interest is a sincere one - where as your sudden interest comes off as contrived and with reasons of your own. If you wish to continue speaking about PFC policies than I would like to hear why you're suddenly interested in what people you'll never likely play or speak too do.
Im just voicing my opinion on the council and why i think its a bad idea, I understand why they have to pay whatever amount of protection they pay to NF, but it just seems like the council is taking a very long time to come up with rules for PFC when it took me 5 mins to think of those 6 rules i wrote, and i thought the council was not supposed to have permeant members other then NF and he's the one that been rude to me many times for no reason other then me saying my own opinion about the matter
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Mr Machine Guns
Nyain San
Renegade Alliance
498
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Posted - 2014.03.07 20:52:00 -
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Dr PepperPoP wrote:Mr Machine Guns wrote:Dr PepperPoP wrote:Mr Machine Guns wrote:
But you aren't on PFC either so why do you care what I'm writing I
Excuse me, sir, you are speaking to the PFC Council Administrator. The Unbiased non-voting member of PFC council to help drive the PFC cruise ship. Unlike a certain group of players who've been on PFC for ages and did nothing to help it - he's a part of a small corp whose never even past the mid-tier bracket. His vested interest is a sincere one - where as your sudden interest comes off as contrived and with reasons of your own. If you wish to continue speaking about PFC policies than I would like to hear why you're suddenly interested in what people you'll never likely play or speak too do. Im just voicing my opinion on the council and why i think its a bad idea, I understand why they have to pay whatever amount of protection they pay to NF, but it just seems like the council is taking a very long time to come up with rules for PFC when it took me 5 mins to think of those 6 rules i wrote, and i thought the council was not supposed to have permeant members other then NF and he's the one that been rude to me many times for no reason other then me saying my own opinion about the matter The problem with your line of thought is your one person deciding for everyone - where as the council is the people deciding for themselves. Of course one process is going to take slower - but so what? Is there any reason at all to speed things up without going through everything first? If you want a system to last you need to work on the kinks. Saying it doesn't work because it's too slow (when the speed of decision isn't even stopping the functioning aspect of PFC) is absurd.
But heres the one thing with this slow process i assume your Sota right?? As long as NF gets the money from the corps they could care less about rules being set up in a fair amount of time because they are getting their isk from the corps on PFC
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Mr Machine Guns
Nyain San
Renegade Alliance
498
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Posted - 2014.03.07 21:06:00 -
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Ok that maybe true but why are you removing a corp from PFC is it because that one policy has been set up and its about having a certain amount of district outside of PFC??
I thought NF received a certain amount of isk every week not just when they need to enforce the rules of NF,
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Mr Machine Guns
Nyain San
Renegade Alliance
498
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Posted - 2014.03.07 21:15:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Mr Machine Guns wrote:But you aren't on PFC either so why do you care what I'm writing I'm just voicing my opinion about PFC, it just seems like the council is taking a very long time to set up rules and i think the council is a bad idea because it just might lead to corps staying longer then intended It's not your decision how long people are "intended" to remain on PFC. While my corp is not on PFC, I do on occasion play in an alliance PFC fight, and even though that isn't frequent anymore (we have a lot of newer players who want a crack at it), I support my alliance. And my alliance benefits from PFC. Mr Machine Guns wrote:PFC rules will effected everyone because if alliances hold district both on PFC and outside PFC, and a war happens what are the PFC district off limits or are they fair game because those two alliances are fighting each other PFC is neutral ground, it should not be warred over. There is a rule already in place forbidding the use of clones from PFC districts in attacks on outside districts, so you can rest assured that PFC districts cannot pose a threat to you in a time of war. bigolenuts wrote:PFC doesn't work. It just an ISK sink for others to get rich on. I asked about 3 weeks ago for someone to show proof that PFc actually worked. Meaning, a Corp was there, got themselves trained then moved into the rest of MH and had success.
Most of you nerds are all about posting pics and info, dig that one up please. Lets see how PFC has helped a corp. As many others have noted, there's fundamentally no way for a corp that isn't a top corp to become a top corp as long as all the supposed top tier players take the easy way out and buddy up with other folks that are already at that level. (I have a longstanding belief many of them would be great trainers and platoon leaders that could develop newer players into a fighting force, if they gave it a shot.) But corps exist on activity, the chance to have good fights. PFC allows corps to exist and thrive on the fact that they can play against other corps on PFC. Without having to be able to compete with Ancient Exiles or Nyain San. I've seen a lot of Renegade Alliance folks suggesting there should be a term limit to being on PFC. But the real question is: How many matches do you think it should take a newbie corp to practice in PC before they should be able to compete with AE's A-team? At three matches a week, how long is it going to take?
your last point makes no sense and you said this before how many do you think you need to be ready for AE. a team? the reason why there needs to be a limit is because PFC is just on one planet maybe if CCP opens up more district we can set up another planet for it, just with the one planet atm is why i believe there needs to be a time limit, One last thing based on your last paragraph why would a corp go after AE. and want to fight their A team that makes no sense would it be wiser to attack a different corp??
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Mr Machine Guns
Nyain San
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.07 21:28:00 -
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ER-Bullitt wrote:Mr Machine Guns wrote:
we can set up another planet for it,
We? You are not a part of the we, neither am I, nor anyone else not on PFC, not a part of the council, or not a part of the police force. You want to have a vote, quit your corp and go join one of them. derp Quote:
One last thing based on your last paragraph why would a corp go after AE. and want to fight their A team that makes no sense would it be wiser to attack a different corp??
He said that to make a correlation of why PFC exists.. to prepare new corps (which includes new players aka the lifeblood of keeping this ******* game alive) for the big show. The big show includes, but is not limited to, being successful on the field of battle similar to AE's A-team. You are forking dense man.
by we i meant the dust community and about my last point, you get off PFC why would the first thing you do is to go after AE makes not sense
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