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Supernus Gigas Star Giants 389	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:33:00 - [1] - Quote The Minmatar Sentinel currently will have 435 Armor and 390 Shields for a total of 825 EHP. That makes it the lowest EHP Sentinel. Also, I thought the Minmatar were more shield based, why does the Minmatar Sentinel have more Armor than Shields then? But wait! It can move faster than the others! All the other Sentinels have a Walk Speed of 3.85m/s and a Sprint Speed of 5.39m/s(Walk Speed * 1.4 = Sprint Speed). The Minmatar Sentinel will have a Walk Speed of 4.05m/s and a Sprint Speed of 5.67m/s. That really doesn't seem like it makes up for it's lesser EHP. You can pretty much get the same Sprint Speed as a Minmatar Sentinel in any other Sentinel suit with a basic KinCat and you'll also have more base EHP. Hell, with the Gallente Sentinel you could slap on a Couple Complex KinCats and some Armor Reps, and you've got a fit that runs faster than a Minmatar Sentinel has great self repping capabilities and more EHP. HELL! You could do this in an Amarr Sentinel! Two Complex KinCats and a Complex Armor Repper. 135 more EHP, Can run faster and have self armor repping. The tiny extra speed the Minmatar Sentinel has really does not make up for having less EHP than the other Sentinels, not to mention the Gallente Sentinel and the Amarr Sentinel have the capability to run faster and survive longer. Sure you could put two KinCats on the Minmatar Sentinel, but that's all your low slots, no room for anything else down there, no reppers, nothing. I think giving the Minmatar Sentinel an extra low slot so it has an even slot layout of 3/3 would make up for the lesser EHP in my opinion. It's just a bit sad that two other Sentinels can fill the speed tanking role better than the Minmatar Sentinel can. *FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVIN' CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!*
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13262	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:42:00 - [2] - Quote Minmatar are typically more speed and damage based over everything else. Also the flexible part; slot wise we got room for a fifth race if ever brought up. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
BAD FURRY SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 625	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:44:00 - [3] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Minmatar are typically more speed and damage based over everything else. Also the flexible part; slot wise we got room for a fifth race if ever brought up. Quote: Also the flexible part. Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 168	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:44:00 - [4] - Quote Yea, minmatar have never been tanks Sees prototompers... Sees blueberries start to snipe... Pulls out commando suit with laser rifle and swarm launcher...
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 662	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:44:00 - [5] - Quote CCP took transversal tanking from EvE gave it to Min suits and then relised FPS dont work like that and shruged and walked away. These forums must be located in the Californin country side, there is whine as far as the eye can see.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1138	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:56:00 - [6] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Minmatar are typically more speed and damage based over everything else. Also the flexible part; slot wise we got room for a fifth race if ever brought up. your point is? I and others already mentioned it several times, after full fit you give up ~15% EHP for ~7% more speed compared to other sentinels. if you consider that a gallente sentinel with a kincat is as mobile as the minmatar full tank sentinel fit but the gallente will sill have more EHP with that kincat then you can clearly see that this isnt a fair tradeoff.
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 482	Posted - 2014.03.07 06:24:00 - [7] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Minmatar are typically more speed and damage based over everything else. Also the flexible part; slot wise we got room for a fifth race if ever brought up. your point is? I and others already mentioned it several times, after full fit you give up ~15% EHP for ~7% more speed compared to other sentinels. if you consider that a gallente sentinel with a kincat is as mobile as the minmatar full tank sentinel fit but the gallente will sill have more EHP with that kincat then you can clearly see that this isnt a fair tradeoff. Exactly, sure our suits start off with some pretty good speed and stamina but the other sentinels can easily match that with a few modules. I'm starting to wonder if Minmatar sentinels are gonna be seen as rarely as the Minmatar assault is. After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2554	Posted - 2014.03.07 06:28:00 - [8] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Minmatar are typically more speed and damage based over everything else. Also the flexible part; slot wise we got room for a fifth race if ever brought up. Geth confirmed as 5th race. Or maybe it's those people who the genetic problems that are super advanced(compared to the current races)damn...what was they called... "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3361	Posted - 2014.03.07 06:29:00 - [9] - Quote I thought I was going to see some pictures. I am disappoint Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 363	Posted - 2014.03.07 06:31:00 - [10] - Quote dont play as a rust bucket then. come to one of the grown up races. also as customary for any talk of the heavies i must reiterate my fervent desire to see the gallente heavy have SIX eyes. not two, SIX.

da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 482	Posted - 2014.03.07 06:33:00 - [11] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: dont play as a rust bucket then. come to one of the grown up races. also as customary for any talk of the heavies i must reiterate my fervent desire to see the gallente heavy have SIX eyes. not two, SIX. That would matter if the number of eyes somehow affected how your character sees things through their helmet After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 363	Posted - 2014.03.07 06:37:00 - [12] - Quote da GAND wrote: Auris Lionesse wrote: dont play as a rust bucket then. come to one of the grown up races. also as customary for any talk of the heavies i must reiterate my fervent desire to see the gallente heavy have SIX eyes. not two, SIX. That would matter if the number of eyes somehow affected how your character sees things through their helmet in gallente ships theyre several dual 3-3 designs, whether it be turret hardpoints or random shapes. dont see why it shouldnt be carried over, gallente care about aesthetics and i really care about aesthetics lol
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 959	Posted - 2014.03.07 06:40:00 - [13] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Minmatar are typically more speed and damage based over everything else. Also the flexible part; slot wise we got room for a fifth race if ever brought up. Geth confirmed as 5th race. Or maybe it's those people who the genetic problems that are super advanced(compared to the current races)damn...what was they called... The Jove? Oh that would really ** off the eve players if DUST got anything to do with the Jove before EVE did haha. You know I could actually see that happening. Join our public channel - ACME SPECIAL FORCES PUB** For the STATE!
The-Errorist 550	Posted - 2014.03.07 06:49:00 - [14] - Quote Supernus Gigas wrote: The Minmatar Sentinel currently will have 435 Armor and 390 Shields for a total of 825 EHP. That makes it the lowest EHP Sentinel. Also, I thought the Minmatar were more shield based, why does the Minmatar Sentinel have more Armor than Shields then? But wait! It can move faster than the others! All the other Sentinels have a Walk Speed of 3.85m/s and a Sprint Speed of 5.39m/s(Walk Speed * 1.4 = Sprint Speed). The Minmatar Sentinel will have a Walk Speed of 4.05m/s and a Sprint Speed of 5.67m/s. That really doesn't seem like it makes up for it's lesser EHP. You can pretty much get the same Sprint Speed as a Minmatar Sentinel in any other Sentinel suit with a basic KinCat and you'll also have more base EHP. Hell, with the Gallente Sentinel you could slap on a Couple Complex KinCats and some Armor Reps, and you've got a fit that runs faster than a Minmatar Sentinel has great self repping capabilities and more EHP. HELL! You could do this in an Amarr Sentinel! Two Complex KinCats and a Complex Armor Repper. 135 more EHP, Can run faster and have self armor repping. The tiny extra speed the Minmatar Sentinel has really does not make up for having less EHP than the other Sentinels, not to mention the Gallente Sentinel and the Amarr Sentinel have the capability to run faster and survive longer. Sure you could put two KinCats on the Minmatar Sentinel, but that's all your low slots, no room for anything else down there, no reppers, nothing. I think giving the Minmatar Sentinel an extra low slot so it has an even slot layout of 3/3 would make up for the lesser EHP in my opinion. It's just a bit sad that two other Sentinels can fill the speed tanking role better than the Minmatar Sentinel can. EDIT: All this being said, it's not stopping me from going to Prototype Minmatar Sentinel as soon as I can. It's ability to fill a Melee Death Monster role is very appealing to me. I just feel that the Minmatar Sentinel just isn't in line with the others. Minmatar are faster, have more stamina, and have better stamina regeneration without having to sacrifice a module slot to do so. Minmatar also have the 2nd best shield recharge delay and rate and a versatile slot layout.
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 401	Posted - 2014.03.07 06:50:00 - [15] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Minmatar are typically more speed and damage based over everything else. Also the flexible part; slot wise we got room for a fifth race if ever brought up. Jovian Race!? https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Jove
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 482	Posted - 2014.03.07 06:51:00 - [16] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: da GAND wrote: Auris Lionesse wrote: dont play as a rust bucket then. come to one of the grown up races. also as customary for any talk of the heavies i must reiterate my fervent desire to see the gallente heavy have SIX eyes. not two, SIX. That would matter if the number of eyes somehow affected how your character sees things through their helmet in gallente ships theyre several dual 3-3 designs, whether it be turret hardpoints or random shapes. dont see why it shouldnt be carried over, gallente care about aesthetics and i really care about aesthetics lol it... it just looks better. Ya it does look interesting, anyway I may as well replace my Minmitar Assault suit with the Minmatar Sentinel or Commando. After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 367	Posted - 2014.03.07 07:01:00 - [17] - Quote Lightning xVx wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Minmatar are typically more speed and damage based over everything else. Also the flexible part; slot wise we got room for a fifth race if ever brought up. Jovian Race!? https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Jove yes but theyve been off limits forever. theyre rediculously strong, highest hp, maxed out slow layouts, you can fit whatever you want to them you cant even go in jove space
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Vanguard of the Phoenix 417	Posted - 2014.03.07 07:04:00 - [18] - Quote Supernus Gigas wrote: The Minmatar Sentinel currently will have 435 Armor and 390 Shields for a total of 825 EHP. That makes it the lowest EHP Sentinel. Also, I thought the Minmatar were more shield based, why does the Minmatar Sentinel have more Armor than Shields then? But wait! It can move faster than the others! All the other Sentinels have a Walk Speed of 3.85m/s and a Sprint Speed of 5.39m/s(Walk Speed * 1.4 = Sprint Speed). The Minmatar Sentinel will have a Walk Speed of 4.05m/s and a Sprint Speed of 5.67m/s. That really doesn't seem like it makes up for it's lesser EHP. You can pretty much get the same Sprint Speed as a Minmatar Sentinel in any other Sentinel suit with a basic KinCat and you'll also have more base EHP. Hell, with the Gallente Sentinel you could slap on a Couple Complex KinCats and some Armor Reps, and you've got a fit that runs faster than a Minmatar Sentinel has great self repping capabilities and more EHP. HELL! You could do this in an Amarr Sentinel! Two Complex KinCats and a Complex Armor Repper. 135 more EHP, Can run faster and have self armor repping. The tiny extra speed the Minmatar Sentinel has really does not make up for having less EHP than the other Sentinels, not to mention the Gallente Sentinel and the Amarr Sentinel have the capability to run faster and survive longer. Sure you could put two KinCats on the Minmatar Sentinel, but that's all your low slots, no room for anything else down there, no reppers, nothing. I think giving the Minmatar Sentinel an extra low slot so it has an even slot layout of 3/3 would make up for the lesser EHP in my opinion. It's just a bit sad that two other Sentinels can fill the speed tanking role better than the Minmatar Sentinel can. EDIT: All this being said, it's not stopping me from going to Prototype Minmatar Sentinel as soon as I can. It's ability to fill a Melee Death Monster role is very appealing to me. I just feel that the Minmatar Sentinel just isn't in line with the others. soooo.... lets see, minmatar gets greatly increased base speed (something which can not be made up for) and sacrifices a little HP., oh and they get a little more stamina/recoery as well. Hmm, what can I fit on a different heavy that will allow it strafe faster/jump higher/walk faster..... oh right nothing. That tiny extra speed is worth 1 complex kinetic catalizer. If you want to put that in armor terms, that "little" speed is worth a complex armor plate.
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1791	Posted - 2014.03.07 07:12:00 - [19] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Minmatar are typically more speed and damage based over everything else. Also the flexible part; slot wise we got room for a fifth race if ever brought up. minmatar are also, know in eve for having the best recovery stts shield wise and armor wise second only to galente. Also, in eve minmatar ships vastly out pace all other races especially amarr. but in dust, minmatar have the worst shield regen, no armor regen, and marginally higher speed. in short, there is no excuse to justify such horrible stats and simply say speed. thats like being desparately poor, and in debt and someone gives you a part-time job at mcdonalds, then tells you "now you have a job, you should be able to get food, for your family a house and a mercedez benz"...wtf Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1791	Posted - 2014.03.07 07:14:00 - [20] - Quote The-Errorist wrote: Supernus Gigas wrote: The Minmatar Sentinel currently will have 435 Armor and 390 Shields for a total of 825 EHP. That makes it the lowest EHP Sentinel. Also, I thought the Minmatar were more shield based, why does the Minmatar Sentinel have more Armor than Shields then? But wait! It can move faster than the others! All the other Sentinels have a Walk Speed of 3.85m/s and a Sprint Speed of 5.39m/s(Walk Speed * 1.4 = Sprint Speed). The Minmatar Sentinel will have a Walk Speed of 4.05m/s and a Sprint Speed of 5.67m/s. That really doesn't seem like it makes up for it's lesser EHP. You can pretty much get the same Sprint Speed as a Minmatar Sentinel in any other Sentinel suit with a basic KinCat and you'll also have more base EHP. Hell, with the Gallente Sentinel you could slap on a Couple Complex KinCats and some Armor Reps, and you've got a fit that runs faster than a Minmatar Sentinel has great self repping capabilities and more EHP. HELL! You could do this in an Amarr Sentinel! Two Complex KinCats and a Complex Armor Repper. 135 more EHP, Can run faster and have self armor repping. The tiny extra speed the Minmatar Sentinel has really does not make up for having less EHP than the other Sentinels, not to mention the Gallente Sentinel and the Amarr Sentinel have the capability to run faster and survive longer. Sure you could put two KinCats on the Minmatar Sentinel, but that's all your low slots, no room for anything else down there, no reppers, nothing. I think giving the Minmatar Sentinel an extra low slot so it has an even slot layout of 3/3 would make up for the lesser EHP in my opinion. It's just a bit sad that two other Sentinels can fill the speed tanking role better than the Minmatar Sentinel can. EDIT: All this being said, it's not stopping me from going to Prototype Minmatar Sentinel as soon as I can. It's ability to fill a Melee Death Monster role is very appealing to me. I just feel that the Minmatar Sentinel just isn't in line with the others. Minmatar are faster, have more stamina, and have better stamina regeneration without having to sacrifice a module slot to do so. Minmatar also have the 2nd best shield recharge delay and rate and a versatile slot layout. actually on average, galente have better shield recharge delay than minmatar, then comes caldari, then minmatar. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça

Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1551	Posted - 2014.03.07 07:14:00 - [21] - Quote Highest BASE SPEED. There is no way to increase that. Ion pistol in 1.8? Really, is that it? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1791	Posted - 2014.03.07 07:15:00 - [22] - Quote Supernus Gigas wrote: The Minmatar Sentinel currently will have 435 Armor and 390 Shields for a total of 825 EHP. That makes it the lowest EHP Sentinel. Also, I thought the Minmatar were more shield based, why does the Minmatar Sentinel have more Armor than Shields then? But wait! It can move faster than the others! All the other Sentinels have a Walk Speed of 3.85m/s and a Sprint Speed of 5.39m/s(Walk Speed * 1.4 = Sprint Speed). The Minmatar Sentinel will have a Walk Speed of 4.05m/s and a Sprint Speed of 5.67m/s. That really doesn't seem like it makes up for it's lesser EHP. You can pretty much get the same Sprint Speed as a Minmatar Sentinel in any other Sentinel suit with a basic KinCat and you'll also have more base EHP. Hell, with the Gallente Sentinel you could slap on a Couple Complex KinCats and some Armor Reps, and you've got a fit that runs faster than a Minmatar Sentinel has great self repping capabilities and more EHP. HELL! You could do this in an Amarr Sentinel! Two Complex KinCats and a Complex Armor Repper. 135 more EHP, Can run faster and have self armor repping. The tiny extra speed the Minmatar Sentinel has really does not make up for having less EHP than the other Sentinels, not to mention the Gallente Sentinel and the Amarr Sentinel have the capability to run faster and survive longer. Sure you could put two KinCats on the Minmatar Sentinel, but that's all your low slots, no room for anything else down there, no reppers, nothing. I think giving the Minmatar Sentinel an extra low slot so it has an even slot layout of 3/3 would make up for the lesser EHP in my opinion. It's just a bit sad that two other Sentinels can fill the speed tanking role better than the Minmatar Sentinel can. EDIT: All this being said, it's not stopping me from going to Prototype Minmatar Sentinel as soon as I can. It's ability to fill a Melee Death Monster role is very appealing to me. I just feel that the Minmatar Sentinel just isn't in line with the others. thats why i made this thread because minmatar suits are too weak. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1791	Posted - 2014.03.07 07:20:00 - [23] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: Highest BASE SPEED. There is no way to increase that. lowest base ehp. 1.6 made speed tanking worthless, and remember speed =/=ehp. you cannot compare ehp to speed. they are too different atributes. compare ehp to recovy because they are related. people with high ehp should have low recovery, and people with low ehp should have high recovery. since minmatar have low ehp why is it that they have the worst recovery? they need a shorter shield delay, higher shield recharge rate and passive armor reps, albeit lower than galente. because their ehp is too low, and their "speed" doesn't help them disengage from combat fast enough to survive. remember, ehp should be balanced against recovery speed should be balanced against stamina amarr have the highest stamina, minmatar have the highest speed. amarr are supposed ot have thhe highest ehp, minmatar the highest recovery, galente and caldari are supposed to fall between these. but right now, its completely off. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Vanguard of the Phoenix 417	Posted - 2014.03.07 07:29:00 - [24] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Minmatar are typically more speed and damage based over everything else. Also the flexible part; slot wise we got room for a fifth race if ever brought up. minmatar are also, know in eve for having the best recovery stts shield wise and armor wise second only to galente. Also, in eve minmatar ships vastly out pace all other races especially amarr. but in dust, minmatar have the worst shield regen, no armor regen, and marginally higher speed. in short, there is no excuse to justify such horrible stats and simply say speed. thats like being desparately poor, and in debt and someone gives you a part-time job at mcdonalds, then tells you "now you have a job, you should be able to get food, for your family a house and a mercedez benz"...wtf Hey look I spot some BS. So... minmatar have never been known to have great armor recovery stats, at all. Also, minmatar ships DO NOT vastly outstrip other ships when it comes to speed. The Crusader for one keeps up just fine with the minmatar frigates, the zealot and the ishtar are faster than the munnin, and the megathron is pretty darn fast too (all of the aforementioned ships do not get "vastly outpaced" OVerall the minnies are faster, but not "vastly" so, not even close. How about you try playing eve for a while before you comment on it.
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Vanguard of the Phoenix 417	Posted - 2014.03.07 07:47:00 - [25] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Highest BASE SPEED. There is no way to increase that. lowest base ehp. 1.6 made speed tanking worthless, and remember speed =/=ehp. you cannot compare ehp to speed. they are too different atributes. compare ehp to recovy because they are related. people with high ehp should have low recovery, and people with low ehp should have high recovery. since minmatar have low ehp why is it that they have the worst recovery? they need a shorter shield delay, higher shield recharge rate and passive armor reps, albeit lower than galente. because their ehp is too low, and their "speed" doesn't help them disengage from combat fast enough to survive. remember, ehp should be balanced against recovery speed should be balanced against stamina amarr have the highest stamina, minmatar have the highest speed. amarr are supposed ot have thhe highest ehp, minmatar the highest recovery, galente and caldari are supposed to fall between these. but right now, its completely off. You are so incredibly full of crap. So, Minmatar have the second highest stamina, and the second highest stamina recovery. By your reckoning, they should have the lowest (below that of gallente/caldari) in both of those attributes. Also, how do you know where anything is supposed to fall, or that eHP is not balanced versus speed/stamina? You have no idea what you are talking about, so just do everyone a favor and stop.
Supernus Gigas Star Giants 392	Posted - 2014.03.07 08:04:00 - [26] - Quote Crimson Cerberes wrote: ] soooo.... lets see, minmatar gets greatly increased base speed (something which can not be made up for) and sacrifices a little HP., oh and they get a little more stamina/recoery as well. Hmm, what can I fit on a different heavy that will allow it strafe faster/jump higher/walk faster..... oh right nothing. That tiny extra speed is worth 1 complex kinetic catalizer(and of course an advantage over just that module as well). If you want to put that in armor terms, that "little" speed is worth a complex armor plate. Greatly increased is an exaggeration. It's worth a Complex KinCat? Bullshit, it's worth a Basic KinCat which already gives a nearly unnoticeable speed increase. That ~5% bonus to movement speed is paltry, and in no way makes up for the lesser eHP. Me being able to walk 5% faster is not going to help me out play any other Sentinel. Meanwhile both Amarr and Gallente can fill the speed Sentinel role better than the Minmatar can. The Minmatar Sentinel can be outclassed at it's own supposed specialty by the Amarr, the big, bulky armor taking Amarr. The Minmatar Sentinel is a joke, sadly. *FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVIN' CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!*
Supernus Gigas Star Giants 392	Posted - 2014.03.07 08:16:00 - [27] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: Highest BASE SPEED. There is no way to increase that. It can walk ~5% faster while sacrificing ~11% eHP compared to Caldari and Gallente(the gap between Minmatar and Amarr is even wider, ~16%). Sure, KinCats give it a slightly larger bonus due to the higher base speed, but you only have two low slots. One KinCat and an Armor Rep? A Gallente can fit two KinCats and two Armor Reps. It can run faster, self heal, and has more eHP. Use two KinCats? Well there goes all your low slots, but now you can run faster than that Gallente! But, oh wait, the Gallente could run three KinCats and still have room for an Armor Rep. Again, it runs faster, has self healing and more eHP. The Minmatar Sentinel all around sucks compared to the others, I just want it to be useful. Give it a third low slot, then it'll probably suck less, I might even go so far as to say it could actually be decent! *FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVIN' CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!*
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Vanguard of the Phoenix 417	Posted - 2014.03.07 08:17:00 - [28] - Quote Supernus Gigas wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: ] soooo.... lets see, minmatar gets greatly increased base speed (something which can not be made up for) and sacrifices a little HP., oh and they get a little more stamina/recoery as well. Hmm, what can I fit on a different heavy that will allow it strafe faster/jump higher/walk faster..... oh right nothing. That tiny extra speed is worth 1 complex kinetic catalizer(and of course an advantage over just that module as well). If you want to put that in armor terms, that "little" speed is worth a complex armor plate. Greatly increased is an exaggeration. It's worth a Complex KinCat? Bullshit, it's worth a Basic KinCat which already gives a nearly unnoticeable speed increase. That ~5% bonus to movement speed is paltry, and in no way makes up for the lesser eHP. Me being able to walk 5% faster is not going to help me out play any other Sentinel. Meanwhile both Amarr and Gallente can fill the speed Sentinel role better than the Minmatar can. The Minmatar Sentinel can be outclassed at it's own supposed specialty by the Amarr, the big, bulky armor taking Amarr. The Minmatar Sentinel is a joke, sadly. Nope, your problem is you are just ********. Lets go through the math shall we? #1 No, there is absolutely no scenrio in which the amarrian sentinel can be faster than the minmatar one. #2 minmatar get a 0.28 sprint speed boost to go along with a 0.2 m/sec walking speed boost, oh and a 10% bonus to stamina pool, oh and a 33% bonus to stamina recharge. I am sorry if I lumped all of that into the equivelent of 1 complex mod. How about we call it 1 basic mod, 1/2 of a basic mod, and a boost that no one can possibly equal? #3 show me an amarrian fit that can go faster than a similarly fit minmatar sentinel. (hint you won't). The amarrian sentinel needs to fit a complex kin-cat just to match the minmatar sentinel sprint, but will never be as fast, or as agile, or as mobile. The minmatar suit needs only a complex armor mod to match the amarrian hit points, while being faster, more agile, and more mobile than it. F-ck off with your lies.
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Vanguard of the Phoenix 417	Posted - 2014.03.07 08:29:00 - [29] - Quote Supernus Gigas wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Highest BASE SPEED. There is no way to increase that. It can walk ~5% faster while sacrificing ~11% eHP compared to Caldari and Gallente(the gap between Minmatar and Amarr is even wider, ~16%). Sure, KinCats give it a slightly larger bonus due to the higher base speed, but you only have two low slots. One KinCat and an Armor Rep? A Gallente can fit two KinCats and two Armor Reps. It can run faster, self heal, and has more eHP. Use two KinCats? Well there goes all your low slots, but now you can run faster than that Gallente! But, oh wait, the Gallente could run three KinCats and still have room for an Armor Rep. Again, it runs faster, has self healing and more eHP. The Minmatar Sentinel all around sucks compared to the others, I just want it to be useful. Give it a third low slot, then it'll probably suck less, I might even go so far as to say it could actually be decent! So, the gallente sentinel you listed will have a total of 915 eHP, and heal at 14 hp/sec. The minmatar otoh, with 3x shield extenders and 2 kincats, will be incredibly faster, have 1041 eHP, and have more stamina, and faster recovery, oh and recovery shield 33% faster. Are we just about done lying yet?
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 926	Posted - 2014.03.07 08:34:00 - [30] - Quote I feel the Min Sent will be more about the application of firepower where its needed most. It can also close the distance to be in optimal range far easier than the other heavies. I will enjoy it very much. "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"

ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1639	Posted - 2014.03.07 08:47:00 - [31] - Quote I was looking forward to a speedy Glass cannon, for getting a FG in place or scaring the back plate off people with a a HMG... But alas Dmg mods got a nerf so tanking is going to be better... and as has been said... the other suits can do it better AND get some speed. The answer is "ForgeGun"... doesnt matter what the question is...
Supernus Gigas Star Giants 392	Posted - 2014.03.07 08:51:00 - [32] - Quote Crimson Cerberes wrote: Nope, your problem is you are just *******. Lets go through the math shall we? #1 No, there is absolutely no scenrio in which the amarrian sentinel can be faster than the minmatar one. #2 minmatar get a 0.28 sprint speed boost to go along with a 0.2 m/sec walking speed boost, oh and a 10% bonus to stamina pool, oh and a 33% bonus to stamina recharge. I am sorry if I lumped all of that into the equivelent of 1 complex mod. How about we call it 1 basic mod, 1/2 of a basic mod, and a boost that no one can possibly equal? #3 show me an amarrian fit that can go faster than a similarly fit minmatar sentinel. (hint you won't). The amarrian sentinel needs to fit a complex kin-cat just to match the minmatar sentinel sprint, but will never be as fast, or as agile, or as mobile. The minmatar suit needs only a complex armor mod to exceed the amarrian hit points, while being faster, more agile, and more mobile than it. F-ck off with your lies. First off, why are you insulting me? You can disprove my math without being a hostile jack-wagon. Secondly, here's some math(no module bonuses or biotics skill bonus, the results will still be relative without them). Minmatar Sentinel Sprintiness: 5.67 1.2999(Two Complex KinCats with Stacking Penalties) = 7.37 m/s Ammar Sentinel Sprintiness : 5.39 * 1.4112(Three Complex KinCats with Stacking Penalties) = 7.61 m/s With three Complex KinCats the Ammar Sentinel can indeed sprint faster than the Minmatar Sentinel. Let's make two fits, a speedy Amarr Sentinel with as much eHP as possible and a speedy Minmatar with as much eHP as possible. No skill bonuses will be applied and I will be using the Prototype tier suits. Amarr Sentinel ak.0 Three Complex KinCats Two Complex Shield Extenders Sprint Speed: 7.62 m/s eHP: 1092 Minmatar Sentinel mk.0 Two Complex KinCats Three Complex Shield Extenders Sprint Speed: 7.37 m/s eHP: 1023 The Amarr Sentinel can do what the Minmatar Sentinel can do, but better. Albeit only slightly. If I am wrong, please offer your rebuttal without being a jack-wagon. Thank you. *FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVIN' CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!*
Cyrius Li-Moody 3971	Posted - 2014.03.07 09:05:00 - [33] - Quote So what you're saying is the minmatar sentinel suffers from the problem that every other minmatar suit has? Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Supernus Gigas Star Giants 392	Posted - 2014.03.07 09:09:00 - [34] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: So what you're saying is the minmatar sentinel suffers from the problem that every other minmatar suit has? Bingo. I don't see why they are all so outclassed by the other races though, is it really that difficult to make them comparable to the others? It must be because they look the coolest, and the only way for the other races to compete with such a high intimidation factor, is to be functionally better. *FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVIN' CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!*
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 655	Posted - 2014.03.07 10:05:00 - [35] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Minmatar are typically more speed and damage based over everything else. Also the flexible part; slot wise we got room for a fifth race if ever brought up. your point is? I and others already mentioned it several times, after full fit you give up ~15% EHP for ~7% more speed compared to other sentinels. if you consider that a gallente sentinel with a kincat is as mobile as the minmatar full tank sentinel fit but the gallente will sill have more EHP with that kincat then you can clearly see that this isnt a fair tradeoff. That's not true, you can only speed up sprint speed but never walking and therefore strafe speed. So a gallente heavy may get similar or even better sprint speed but all other speed stats remain unchanged...plus the minmatar heavy has slighly more stamina and stamina recovery as well... Never underestimate a speedy heavy
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Vanguard of the Phoenix 418	Posted - 2014.03.07 10:07:00 - [36] - Quote Supernus Gigas wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: Nope, your problem is you are just *******. Lets go through the math shall we? #1 No, there is absolutely no scenrio in which the amarrian sentinel can be faster than the minmatar one. #2 minmatar get a 0.28 sprint speed boost to go along with a 0.2 m/sec walking speed boost, oh and a 10% bonus to stamina pool, oh and a 33% bonus to stamina recharge. I am sorry if I lumped all of that into the equivelent of 1 complex mod. How about we call it 1 basic mod, 1/2 of a basic mod, and a boost that no one can possibly equal? #3 show me an amarrian fit that can go faster than a similarly fit minmatar sentinel. (hint you won't). The amarrian sentinel needs to fit a complex kin-cat just to match the minmatar sentinel sprint, but will never be as fast, or as agile, or as mobile. The minmatar suit needs only a complex armor mod to exceed the amarrian hit points, while being faster, more agile, and more mobile than it. F-ck off with your lies. First off, why are you insulting me? You can disprove my math without being a hostile jack-wagon. Secondly, here's some math(no module bonuses or biotics skill bonus, the results will still be relative without them). Minmatar Sentinel Sprintiness: 5.67 1.2999(Two Complex KinCats with Stacking Penalties) = 7.37 m/s Ammar Sentinel Sprintiness : 5.39 * 1.4112(Three Complex KinCats with Stacking Penalties) = 7.61 m/s With three Complex KinCats the Ammar Sentinel can indeed sprint faster than the Minmatar Sentinel. Let's make two fits, a speedy Amarr Sentinel with as much eHP as possible and a speedy Minmatar with as much eHP as possible. No skill bonuses will be applied and I will be using the Prototype tier suits. Amarr Sentinel ak.0 Three Complex KinCats Two Complex Shield Extenders Sprint Speed: 7.61 m/s eHP: 1092 Minmatar Sentinel mk.0 Two Complex KinCats Three Complex Shield Extenders Sprint Speed: 7.37 m/s eHP: 1023 The Amarr Sentinel can do what the Minmatar Sentinel can do, but better. Albeit only slightly. If I am wrong, please offer your rebuttal without being a jack-wagon. Thank you. Also ingoring bonuses from skills because they factor out here. So, stacking penalties work like this #1 full bonus #2 87% of bonus #3 57% of bonus Bonus for minmatar w/ 2 complex kincats (at 10% bonus) 18.7% increase Bonus for amarr w 3 complex 24.4% increase amarr starts at 3.65 m/sec walk, 5.11 sprint amarr ends up with 6.3364 sprint minmatar starts with 4.05m/sec walk, 5.67 sprint speed minmatar ends with 6.73 m/sec sprint Minmatar ends up with Amarr ends up with 3.65 m/sec walk speed, 6.334 m/sec sprint speed, 1092 HP Minmatar ends up with 4.05 m/sec walk speed, 6.73 sprint speed. 1023 HP. Minmatar is faster. Stop lying dude. Seriously it is annoying. Your math is bad and you should feel bad.
Supernus Gigas Star Giants 393	Posted - 2014.03.07 10:07:00 - [37] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Jack McReady wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Minmatar are typically more speed and damage based over everything else. Also the flexible part; slot wise we got room for a fifth race if ever brought up. your point is? I and others already mentioned it several times, after full fit you give up ~15% EHP for ~7% more speed compared to other sentinels. if you consider that a gallente sentinel with a kincat is as mobile as the minmatar full tank sentinel fit but the gallente will sill have more EHP with that kincat then you can clearly see that this isnt a fair tradeoff. That's not true, you can only speed up sprint speed but never walking and therefore strafe speed. So a gallente heavy may get similar or even better sprint speed but all other speed stats remain unchanged...plus the minmatar heavy has slighly more stamina and stamina recovery as well... Never underestimate a speedy heavy The problem is that the Minmatar Sentinel is insignificantly faster. *FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVIN' CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!*
Tolen Rosas Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 367	Posted - 2014.03.07 10:39:00 - [38] - Quote agree minny sentinel needs 3 lows.
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 128	Posted - 2014.03.07 10:44:00 - [39] - Quote I hope they implement the higher stamina recharge rate of the medium suit for the heavy suits as well! This would help with the long range speedieness, and make the min heavie the only viable heavie suit for moving betwheen objectives without a vehicle... Apart from that, I don't really care for the stats, they will be readjusted anyway, since QQing in the forums will never stop, and the stats will always be in a state of flux!
Supernus Gigas Star Giants 393	Posted - 2014.03.07 10:45:00 - [40] - Quote Crimson Cerberes wrote: Supernus Gigas wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: Nope, your problem is you are just *******. Lets go through the math shall we? #1 No, there is absolutely no scenrio in which the amarrian sentinel can be faster than the minmatar one. #2 minmatar get a 0.28 sprint speed boost to go along with a 0.2 m/sec walking speed boost, oh and a 10% bonus to stamina pool, oh and a 33% bonus to stamina recharge. I am sorry if I lumped all of that into the equivelent of 1 complex mod. How about we call it 1 basic mod, 1/2 of a basic mod, and a boost that no one can possibly equal? #3 show me an amarrian fit that can go faster than a similarly fit minmatar sentinel. (hint you won't). The amarrian sentinel needs to fit a complex kin-cat just to match the minmatar sentinel sprint, but will never be as fast, or as agile, or as mobile. The minmatar suit needs only a complex armor mod to exceed the amarrian hit points, while being faster, more agile, and more mobile than it. F-ck off with your lies. First off, why are you insulting me? You can disprove my math without being a hostile jack-wagon. Secondly, here's some math(no module bonuses or biotics skill bonus, the results will still be relative without them). Minmatar Sentinel Sprintiness: 5.67 1.2999(Two Complex KinCats with Stacking Penalties) = 7.37 m/s Ammar Sentinel Sprintiness : 5.39 * 1.4112(Three Complex KinCats with Stacking Penalties) = 7.61 m/s With three Complex KinCats the Ammar Sentinel can indeed sprint faster than the Minmatar Sentinel. Let's make two fits, a speedy Amarr Sentinel with as much eHP as possible and a speedy Minmatar with as much eHP as possible. No skill bonuses will be applied and I will be using the Prototype tier suits. Amarr Sentinel ak.0 Three Complex KinCats Two Complex Shield Extenders Sprint Speed: 7.61 m/s eHP: 1092 Minmatar Sentinel mk.0 Two Complex KinCats Three Complex Shield Extenders Sprint Speed: 7.37 m/s eHP: 1023 The Amarr Sentinel can do what the Minmatar Sentinel can do, but better. Albeit only slightly. If I am wrong, please offer your rebuttal without being a jack-wagon. Thank you. Also ingoring bonuses from skills because they factor out here. So, stacking penalties work like this #1 full bonus #2 87% of bonus #3 57% of bonus Bonus for minmatar w/ 2 complex kincats (at 10% bonus) 18.7% increase Bonus for amarr w 3 complex 24.4% increase amarr starts at 3.65 m/sec walk, 5.11 sprint amarr ends up with 6.3364 sprint minmatar starts with 4.05m/sec walk, 5.67 sprint speed minmatar ends with 6.73 m/sec sprint Minmatar ends up with Amarr ends up with 3.65 m/sec walk speed, 6.334 m/sec sprint speed, 1092 HP Minmatar ends up with 4.05 m/sec walk speed, 6.73 sprint speed. 1023 HP. Minmatar is faster. Stop lying dude. Seriously it is annoying. Your math is bad and you should feel bad. EDIT: Or of course the minmatar sentinel can sacrifice 1 kin-cat for a ferro scale, end up with the same HP as the amarr, walk/strafe/move faster and sprint at 0.1 m/sec slower. You are SO full of sh-t. Wow, I just realized that the Amarr Sentinel's base walk speed is 3.65, NOT 3.85. Way to go CCP, your sixes look like eights. That being said, you are an ***** Crimson. Instead of pointing out that I was mistaken, you call me r.etarded and tell me I'm lying. What the hell is wrong with you? EDIT: By the way, you clearly have no idea how stacking penalties work. FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVIN' CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!**

da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 483	Posted - 2014.03.07 15:36:00 - [41] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: Supernus Gigas wrote: The Minmatar Sentinel currently will have 435 Armor and 390 Shields for a total of 825 EHP. That makes it the lowest EHP Sentinel. Also, I thought the Minmatar were more shield based, why does the Minmatar Sentinel have more Armor than Shields then? But wait! It can move faster than the others! All the other Sentinels have a Walk Speed of 3.85m/s and a Sprint Speed of 5.39m/s(Walk Speed * 1.4 = Sprint Speed). The Minmatar Sentinel will have a Walk Speed of 4.05m/s and a Sprint Speed of 5.67m/s. That really doesn't seem like it makes up for it's lesser EHP. You can pretty much get the same Sprint Speed as a Minmatar Sentinel in any other Sentinel suit with a basic KinCat and you'll also have more base EHP. Hell, with the Gallente Sentinel you could slap on a Couple Complex KinCats and some Armor Reps, and you've got a fit that runs faster than a Minmatar Sentinel has great self repping capabilities and more EHP. HELL! You could do this in an Amarr Sentinel! Two Complex KinCats and a Complex Armor Repper. 135 more EHP, Can run faster and have self armor repping. The tiny extra speed the Minmatar Sentinel has really does not make up for having less EHP than the other Sentinels, not to mention the Gallente Sentinel and the Amarr Sentinel have the capability to run faster and survive longer. Sure you could put two KinCats on the Minmatar Sentinel, but that's all your low slots, no room for anything else down there, no reppers, nothing. I think giving the Minmatar Sentinel an extra low slot so it has an even slot layout of 3/3 would make up for the lesser EHP in my opinion. It's just a bit sad that two other Sentinels can fill the speed tanking role better than the Minmatar Sentinel can. EDIT: All this being said, it's not stopping me from going to Prototype Minmatar Sentinel as soon as I can. It's ability to fill a Melee Death Monster role is very appealing to me. I just feel that the Minmatar Sentinel just isn't in line with the others. thats why i made this thread because minmatar suits are too weak. Thnx been looking for that thread for awhile, saw it not too long ago and couldn't find it again. After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 1975	Posted - 2014.03.07 16:26:00 - [42] - Quote [quote=Supernus Gigas]That being said, you are an ******* Crimson. Instead of pointing out that I was mistaken, you call me r.etarded and tell me I'm lying. What the hell is wrong with you? He's a bad player, has an entitlement complex the size of the Emperor Ship,and is also a dickhead. You should see some of the arguments the tanking community had with him Assault ak.0 w/ScR+ScP 4LYFE
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Vanguard of the Phoenix 424	Posted - 2014.03.07 16:30:00 - [43] - Quote Supernus Gigas wrote: Wow, I just realized that the Amarr Sentinel's base walk speed is 3.65, NOT 3.85. Way to go CCP, your sixes look like eights. That being said, you are an ***** Crimson. Instead of pointing out that I was mistaken, you call me r.etarded and tell me I'm lying. What the hell is wrong with you? EDIT: By the way, you clearly have no idea how stacking penalties work. And this is why I call you ****** and full of sh-t. I'll admit, I was a tiny bit off when multipling the stacking penalties. should be amarr = 6.45 m/sec minmatar = 6.79 m/sec still doesn't change anything. You are full of sh-t, a typical minmatar whiner not realizing your suits are fine.
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Vanguard of the Phoenix 424	Posted - 2014.03.07 16:31:00 - [44] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Supernus Gigas wrote: That being said, you are an ******* Crimson. Instead of pointing out that I was mistaken, you call me r.etarded and tell me I'm lying. What the hell is wrong with you? He's a bad player, has an entitlement complex the size of the Emperor Ship,and is also a dickhead. You should see some of the arguments the tanking community had with him EDITed to fix my quote. Yeah I know right... I claim tanks OP, tanking community is full of wankers who say that tanks are not (lol).
Supernus Gigas Star Giants 399	Posted - 2014.03.07 17:22:00 - [45] - Quote Crimson Cerberes wrote: Supernus Gigas wrote: Wow, I just realized that the Amarr Sentinel's base walk speed is 3.65, NOT 3.85. Way to go CCP, your sixes look like eights. That being said, you are an ***** Crimson. Instead of pointing out that I was mistaken, you call me r.etarded and tell me I'm lying. What the hell is wrong with you? EDIT: By the way, you clearly have no idea how stacking penalties work. And this is why I call you ****** and full of sh-t. I'll admit, I was a tiny bit off when multipling the stacking penalties. should be amarr = 6.45 m/sec minmatar = 6.79 m/sec still doesn't change anything. You are full of sh-t, a typical minmatar whiner not realizing your suits are fine. And after all this, you still can't calculate the sprint speed correctly lol. Ammar Sprint: 5.11 m/s(Base Sprint) * 1.3215(Three Complex KinCats with Stacking Penalties) = 6.75 m/s Minmatar Sprint: 5.67 m/s(Base Sprint) * 1.2368(Two Complex KinCats with Stacking Penalties) = 7.01 m/s So you were right about the Amarr not being able to sprint faster, but you never ever dd get the correct numbers. *FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVIN' CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!*
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1489	Posted - 2014.03.07 18:01:00 - [46] - Quote BAD FURRY wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Minmatar are typically more speed and damage based over everything else. Also the flexible part; slot wise we got room for a fifth race if ever brought up. Quote: Also the flexible part. The Jove? 9999 HP? 20m/s speed? 0 delay recharge?
Nelo Angel0 RETR0 PR0 GAMERS 192	Posted - 2014.03.07 18:11:00 - [47] - Quote Joel II X wrote: BAD FURRY wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Minmatar are typically more speed and damage based over everything else. Also the flexible part; slot wise we got room for a fifth race if ever brought up. Quote: Also the flexible part. The Jove? 9999 HP? 20m/s speed? 0 delay recharge? +100% all dropsuit stats +100% all vehicle stats this bonus apllies to all races. SP to unlock ???,???,??? -trolol- . ther would only be one suit you can buy xD
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 495	Posted - 2014.03.08 17:07:00 - [48] - Quote Nelo Angel0 wrote: Joel II X wrote: BAD FURRY wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Minmatar are typically more speed and damage based over everything else. Also the flexible part; slot wise we got room for a fifth race if ever brought up. Quote: Also the flexible part. The Jove? 9999 HP? 20m/s speed? 0 delay recharge? +100% all dropsuit stats +100% all vehicle stats this bonus apllies to all races. SP to unlock ???,???,??? -trolol- . ther would only be one suit you can buy xD Lol there are Jove ships in EVE but not sure how Jove suits would fit into this game. After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 392	Posted - 2014.03.08 19:05:00 - [49] - Quote Well there could be some society of conscious thought suits if you want Jove. We still need the other npc suits, like soe, blood raiders, angel cartel, guristas, and serpentis
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 499	Posted - 2014.03.08 20:27:00 - [50] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: Well there could be some society of conscious thought suits if you want Jove. We still need the other npc suits, like soe, blood raiders, angel cartel, guristas, and serpentis Probably many many years away from now, CCP just starting to get the major faction suits sorted out. After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.

Supernus Gigas Star Giants 404	Posted - 2014.03.08 20:28:00 - [51] - Quote While Jovians are cool and all, this thread is discussing the Minmatar Sentinel. While I can't force you to stay on topic, if you don't; I will hunt you down in game and Melee you to death. I also greatly revised the OP to better get my point across. *FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVIN' CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!*
Martyr Saboteur Amarrtyrs 209	Posted - 2014.03.08 20:37:00 - [52] - Quote Im not so sure about it being "subpar". With KinCats and Enegizers, it would basically be a Minmatar Assault that trades its equipment slot and passive repair for a heavy weapon slot. That sounds more than viable. Totally not Fizzer94's forum alt. Definitely just a random dude.
Scheneighnay McBob Hammerhead i Eagle Thrust 4238	Posted - 2014.03.08 20:40:00 - [53] - Quote potential speed is meaningless; it's base speed that's important. What kind of idiot stacks kincats? And who puts ANY kincats on a sentinel? The main point is, the Minmatar sentinel can move around the fastest without speed mods, and that's all that matters for that. No matter how fast a heavy frame is, they'll never be able to "speed tank" I am your scan error.
Supernus Gigas Star Giants 407	Posted - 2014.03.08 20:40:00 - [54] - Quote Martyr Saboteur wrote: Im not so sure about it being "subpar". With KinCats and Enegizers, it would basically be a Minmatar Assault that trades its equipment slot and passive repair for a heavy weapon slot. That sounds more than viable. But it isn't an Assault. It's a "Speedy" Sentinel whose speedy role can be outdone by the Gallente Sentinel. *FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVIN' CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!*
Supernus Gigas Star Giants 407	Posted - 2014.03.08 20:45:00 - [55] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: potential speed is meaningless; it's base speed that's important. What kind of idiot stacks kincats? And who puts ANY kincats on a sentinel? The main point is, the Minmatar sentinel can move around the fastest without speed mods, and that's all that matters for that. No matter how fast a heavy frame is, they'll never be able to "speed tank" 5% faster than two of the other Sentinels. Being able to walk 5% faster is not going to save the Minmatar Sentinel from winning any kind of engagement. Who puts KinCats on a Sentinel? I do, I feel like a ***** gazel wearing a suit of armor. It's great. With Module and Skill Bonuses the Gallente Sentinel will be *** flying at 8.74 m/s with four Complex KinCats. FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVIN' CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!**
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 501	Posted - 2014.03.08 20:48:00 - [56] - Quote Supernus Gigas wrote: While Jovians are cool and all, this thread is discussing the Minmatar Sentinel. While I can't force you to stay on topic, if you don't; I will hunt you down in game and Melee you to death. I also greatly revised the OP to better get my point across. You won't find me in game, I don't plan to be online for awhile. Maybe in a few weeks if 1.8 drops this month. After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.
God Hates Lags Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 966	Posted - 2014.03.08 21:53:00 - [57] - Quote That's not the worst of it. Proto assaults can easily fit in access of 900 health on their suits all while remaining comparatively faster. The most hp a min sentinel could reasonably expect to tank would be 900. This makes them both slower than an assault and weaker in terms of HP. If not for bonuses I'd say the min sentinel was straight up outclassed, but as it is the sentinel's resistances such to begin with. Doubles ISK
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 504	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:33:00 - [58] - Quote God Hates Lags wrote: That's not the worst of it. Proto assaults can easily fit in access of 900 health on their suits all while remaining comparatively faster. The most hp a min sentinel could reasonably expect to tank would be 900. This makes them both slower than an assault and weaker in terms of HP. If not for bonuses I'd say the min sentinel was straight up outclassed, but as it is the sentinel's resistances such to begin with. I didn't think about that lol, s*** Minmatar sentinel stats need to be changed or buffed up a bit After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 775	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:35:00 - [59] - Quote Supernus Gigas wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Highest BASE SPEED. There is no way to increase that. It can walk ~5% faster while sacrificing ~11% eHP compared to Caldari and Gallente(the gap between Minmatar and Amarr is even wider, ~16%). Sure, KinCats give it a slightly larger bonus due to the higher base speed, but you only have two low slots. One KinCat and an Armor Rep? A Gallente can fit two KinCats and two Armor Reps. It can run faster, self heal, and has more eHP. Use two KinCats? Well there goes all your low slots, but now you can run faster than that Gallente! But, oh wait, the Gallente could run three KinCats and still have room for an Armor Rep. Again, it runs faster, has self healing and more eHP. The Minmatar Sentinel all around sucks compared to the others, I just want it to be useful. Give it a third low slot, then it'll probably suck less, I might even go so far as to say it could actually be decent! It seems like all you want is low slots, I don't think anything else will make you happy. Go Gal then. A Minnie with 2 Kin Cats is basically the same speed as a Gal with 3, the gal is 0.14m faster. But the Minnie strafes faster with more stamina. If a Gal puts on any plates he is now slower. Plus you completely worry about 7% speed difference but think 5% more damage is somehow worthless. That compound with proficiency so they are still nice.
Supernus Gigas Star Giants 409	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:51:00 - [60] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: It seems like all you want is low slots, I don't think anything else will make you happy. Go Gal then. All I want is low slots? No, all I want is for the Minmatar Sentinel to be the all around best speed tanking Sentinel. Currently, the Gallente will hold that title. Galvan Nized wrote: A Minnie with 2 Kin Cats is basically the same speed as a Gal with 3, the gal is 0.14m faster. But the Minnie strafes faster with more stamina. If a Gal puts on any plates he is now slower. You're right, the speeds are very similar, except the Gallente can get decent Armor Reps while the Minmatar cannot self repair. The Minmatar barely strafes faster, only 5% faster. I really don't see that 5% bonus saving my hide while I have ~11% less eHP. Galvan Nized wrote: Plus you completely worry about 7% speed difference but think 5% more damage is somehow worthless. That compound with proficiency so they are still nice. Where did you get 7% from? And yes, come 1.8 damage mods will be useless compared to Shield Extenders. *FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVIN' CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!*



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