Minmatar are typically more speed and damage based over everything else. Also the flexible part; slot wise we got room for a fifth race if ever brought up.

Also the flexible part.

Minmatar are typically more speed and damage based over everything else. Also the flexible part; slot wise we got room for a fifth race if ever brought up.

your point is? I and others already mentioned it several times, after full fit you give up ~15% EHP for ~7% more speed compared to other sentinels. if you consider that a gallente sentinel with a kincat is as mobile as the minmatar full tank sentinel fit but the gallente will sill have more EHP with that kincat then you can clearly see that this isnt a fair tradeoff.

Minmatar are typically more speed and damage based over everything else. Also the flexible part; slot wise we got room for a fifth race if ever brought up.

dont play as a rust bucket then.

come to one of the grown up races.

also as customary for any talk of the heavies i must reiterate my fervent desire to see the gallente heavy have SIX eyes.
not two, SIX.

That would matter if the number of eyes somehow affected how your character sees things through their helmet

Geth confirmed as 5th race.

Or maybe it's those people who the genetic problems that are super advanced(compared to the current races)damn...what was they called...

The Minmatar Sentinel currently will have 435 Armor and 390 Shields for a total of 825 EHP. That makes it the lowest EHP Sentinel. Also, I thought the Minmatar were more shield based, why does the Minmatar Sentinel have more Armor than Shields then?

But wait! It can move faster than the others!
All the other Sentinels have a Walk Speed of 3.85m/s and a Sprint Speed of 5.39m/s(Walk Speed * 1.4 = Sprint Speed).
The Minmatar Sentinel will have a Walk Speed of 4.05m/s and a Sprint Speed of 5.67m/s.
That really doesn't seem like it makes up for it's lesser EHP.

You can pretty much get the same Sprint Speed as a Minmatar Sentinel in any other Sentinel suit with a basic KinCat and you'll also have more base EHP.

Hell, with the Gallente Sentinel you could slap on a Couple Complex KinCats and some Armor Reps, and you've got a fit that runs faster than a Minmatar Sentinel has great self repping capabilities and more EHP.

HELL! You could do this in an Amarr Sentinel! Two Complex KinCats and a Complex Armor Repper. 135 more EHP, Can run faster and have self armor repping.

The tiny extra speed the Minmatar Sentinel has really does not make up for having less EHP than the other Sentinels, not to mention the Gallente Sentinel and the Amarr Sentinel have the capability to run faster and survive longer.

Sure you could put two KinCats on the Minmatar Sentinel, but that's all your low slots, no room for anything else down there, no reppers, nothing.

I think giving the Minmatar Sentinel an extra low slot so it has an even slot layout of 3/3 would make up for the lesser EHP in my opinion.

It's just a bit sad that two other Sentinels can fill the speed tanking role better than the Minmatar Sentinel can.

EDIT: All this being said, it's not stopping me from going to Prototype Minmatar Sentinel as soon as I can. It's ability to fill a Melee Death Monster role is very appealing to me. I just feel that the Minmatar Sentinel just isn't in line with the others.

Minmatar are typically more speed and damage based over everything else. Also the flexible part; slot wise we got room for a fifth race if ever brought up.

in gallente ships theyre several dual 3-3 designs, whether it be turret hardpoints or random shapes.
dont see why it shouldnt be carried over, gallente care about aesthetics and i really care about aesthetics lol

it... it just looks better.

Jovian Race!?

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Jove

The Minmatar Sentinel currently will have 435 Armor and 390 Shields for a total of 825 EHP. That makes it the lowest EHP Sentinel. Also, I thought the Minmatar were more shield based, why does the Minmatar Sentinel have more Armor than Shields then?

But wait! It can move faster than the others!
All the other Sentinels have a Walk Speed of 3.85m/s and a Sprint Speed of 5.39m/s(Walk Speed * 1.4 = Sprint Speed).
The Minmatar Sentinel will have a Walk Speed of 4.05m/s and a Sprint Speed of 5.67m/s.
That really doesn't seem like it makes up for it's lesser EHP.

You can pretty much get the same Sprint Speed as a Minmatar Sentinel in any other Sentinel suit with a basic KinCat and you'll also have more base EHP.

Hell, with the Gallente Sentinel you could slap on a Couple Complex KinCats and some Armor Reps, and you've got a fit that runs faster than a Minmatar Sentinel has great self repping capabilities and more EHP.

HELL! You could do this in an Amarr Sentinel! Two Complex KinCats and a Complex Armor Repper. 135 more EHP, Can run faster and have self armor repping.

The tiny extra speed the Minmatar Sentinel has really does not make up for having less EHP than the other Sentinels, not to mention the Gallente Sentinel and the Amarr Sentinel have the capability to run faster and survive longer.

Sure you could put two KinCats on the Minmatar Sentinel, but that's all your low slots, no room for anything else down there, no reppers, nothing.

I think giving the Minmatar Sentinel an extra low slot so it has an even slot layout of 3/3 would make up for the lesser EHP in my opinion.

It's just a bit sad that two other Sentinels can fill the speed tanking role better than the Minmatar Sentinel can.

EDIT: All this being said, it's not stopping me from going to Prototype Minmatar Sentinel as soon as I can. It's ability to fill a Melee Death Monster role is very appealing to me. I just feel that the Minmatar Sentinel just isn't in line with the others.

Minmatar are typically more speed and damage based over everything else. Also the flexible part; slot wise we got room for a fifth race if ever brought up.

Minmatar are faster, have more stamina, and have better stamina regeneration without having to sacrifice a module slot to do so. Minmatar also have the 2nd best shield recharge delay and rate and a versatile slot layout.

The Minmatar Sentinel currently will have 435 Armor and 390 Shields for a total of 825 EHP. That makes it the lowest EHP Sentinel. Also, I thought the Minmatar were more shield based, why does the Minmatar Sentinel have more Armor than Shields then?

But wait! It can move faster than the others!
All the other Sentinels have a Walk Speed of 3.85m/s and a Sprint Speed of 5.39m/s(Walk Speed * 1.4 = Sprint Speed).
The Minmatar Sentinel will have a Walk Speed of 4.05m/s and a Sprint Speed of 5.67m/s.
That really doesn't seem like it makes up for it's lesser EHP.

You can pretty much get the same Sprint Speed as a Minmatar Sentinel in any other Sentinel suit with a basic KinCat and you'll also have more base EHP.

Hell, with the Gallente Sentinel you could slap on a Couple Complex KinCats and some Armor Reps, and you've got a fit that runs faster than a Minmatar Sentinel has great self repping capabilities and more EHP.

HELL! You could do this in an Amarr Sentinel! Two Complex KinCats and a Complex Armor Repper. 135 more EHP, Can run faster and have self armor repping.

The tiny extra speed the Minmatar Sentinel has really does not make up for having less EHP than the other Sentinels, not to mention the Gallente Sentinel and the Amarr Sentinel have the capability to run faster and survive longer.

Sure you could put two KinCats on the Minmatar Sentinel, but that's all your low slots, no room for anything else down there, no reppers, nothing.

I think giving the Minmatar Sentinel an extra low slot so it has an even slot layout of 3/3 would make up for the lesser EHP in my opinion.

It's just a bit sad that two other Sentinels can fill the speed tanking role better than the Minmatar Sentinel can.

EDIT: All this being said, it's not stopping me from going to Prototype Minmatar Sentinel as soon as I can. It's ability to fill a Melee Death Monster role is very appealing to me. I just feel that the Minmatar Sentinel just isn't in line with the others.

Highest BASE SPEED. There is no way to increase that.

minmatar are also, know in eve for having the best recovery stts shield wise and armor wise second only to galente.
Also, in eve minmatar ships vastly out pace all other races especially amarr.


but in dust, minmatar have the worst shield regen, no armor regen, and marginally higher speed.

in short, there is no excuse to justify such horrible stats and simply say speed.
thats like being desparately poor, and in debt and someone gives you a part-time job at mcdonalds, then tells you "now you have a job, you should be able to get food, for your family a house and a mercedez benz"...wtf

lowest base ehp.

1.6 made speed tanking worthless, and remember speed =/=ehp.

you cannot compare ehp to speed. they are too different atributes.



compare ehp to recovy because they are related. people with high ehp should have low recovery, and people with low ehp should have high recovery.

since minmatar have low ehp why is it that they have the worst recovery? they need a shorter shield delay, higher shield recharge rate and passive armor reps, albeit lower than galente. because their ehp is too low, and their "speed" doesn't help them disengage from combat fast enough to survive.


remember, ehp should be balanced against recovery
speed should be balanced against stamina

amarr have the highest stamina,
minmatar have the highest speed.

amarr are supposed ot have thhe highest ehp, minmatar the highest recovery,


galente and caldari are supposed to fall between these. but right now, its completely off.

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soooo.... lets see, minmatar gets greatly increased base speed (something which can not be made up for) and sacrifices a little HP., oh and they get a little more stamina/recoery as well.

Hmm, what can I fit on a different heavy that will allow it strafe faster/jump higher/walk faster..... oh right nothing.

That tiny extra speed is worth 1 complex kinetic catalizer(and of course an advantage over just that module as well). If you want to put that in armor terms, that "little" speed is worth a complex armor plate.

Highest BASE SPEED. There is no way to increase that.

Greatly increased is an exaggeration. It's worth a Complex KinCat? Bullshit, it's worth a Basic KinCat which already gives a nearly unnoticeable speed increase. That ~5% bonus to movement speed is paltry, and in no way makes up for the lesser eHP. Me being able to walk 5% faster is not going to help me out play any other Sentinel. Meanwhile both Amarr and Gallente can fill the speed Sentinel role better than the Minmatar can. The Minmatar Sentinel can be outclassed at it's own supposed specialty by the Amarr, the big, bulky armor taking Amarr. The Minmatar Sentinel is a joke, sadly.

It can walk ~5% faster while sacrificing ~11% eHP compared to Caldari and Gallente(the gap between Minmatar and Amarr is even wider, ~16%). Sure, KinCats give it a slightly larger bonus due to the higher base speed, but you only have two low slots.

One KinCat and an Armor Rep?
A Gallente can fit two KinCats and two Armor Reps. It can run faster, self heal, and has more eHP.

Use two KinCats? Well there goes all your low slots, but now you can run faster than that Gallente!
But, oh wait, the Gallente could run three KinCats and still have room for an Armor Rep. Again, it runs faster, has self healing and more eHP.

The Minmatar Sentinel all around sucks compared to the others, I just want it to be useful. Give it a third low slot, then it'll probably suck less, I might even go so far as to say it could actually be decent!