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Posted - 2014.03.07 07:12:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Minmatar are typically more speed and damage based over everything else. Also the flexible part; slot wise we got room for a fifth race if ever brought up.
minmatar are also, know in eve for having the best recovery stts shield wise and armor wise second only to galente.
Also, in eve minmatar ships vastly out pace all other races especially amarr.
but in dust, minmatar have the worst shield regen, no armor regen, and marginally higher speed.
in short, there is no excuse to justify such horrible stats and simply say speed.
thats like being desparately poor, and in debt and someone gives you a part-time job at mcdonalds, then tells you "now you have a job, you should be able to get food, for your family a house and a mercedez benz"...wtf
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Posted - 2014.03.07 07:14:00 -
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The-Errorist wrote:Supernus Gigas wrote:The Minmatar Sentinel currently will have 435 Armor and 390 Shields for a total of 825 EHP. That makes it the lowest EHP Sentinel. Also, I thought the Minmatar were more shield based, why does the Minmatar Sentinel have more Armor than Shields then?
But wait! It can move faster than the others!
All the other Sentinels have a Walk Speed of 3.85m/s and a Sprint Speed of 5.39m/s(Walk Speed * 1.4 = Sprint Speed).
The Minmatar Sentinel will have a Walk Speed of 4.05m/s and a Sprint Speed of 5.67m/s.
That really doesn't seem like it makes up for it's lesser EHP.
You can pretty much get the same Sprint Speed as a Minmatar Sentinel in any other Sentinel suit with a basic KinCat and you'll also have more base EHP.
Hell, with the Gallente Sentinel you could slap on a Couple Complex KinCats and some Armor Reps, and you've got a fit that runs faster than a Minmatar Sentinel has great self repping capabilities and more EHP.
HELL! You could do this in an Amarr Sentinel! Two Complex KinCats and a Complex Armor Repper. 135 more EHP, Can run faster and have self armor repping.
The tiny extra speed the Minmatar Sentinel has really does not make up for having less EHP than the other Sentinels, not to mention the Gallente Sentinel and the Amarr Sentinel have the capability to run faster and survive longer.
Sure you could put two KinCats on the Minmatar Sentinel, but that's all your low slots, no room for anything else down there, no reppers, nothing.
I think giving the Minmatar Sentinel an extra low slot so it has an even slot layout of 3/3 would make up for the lesser EHP in my opinion.
It's just a bit sad that two other Sentinels can fill the speed tanking role better than the Minmatar Sentinel can.
EDIT: All this being said, it's not stopping me from going to Prototype Minmatar Sentinel as soon as I can. It's ability to fill a Melee Death Monster role is very appealing to me. I just feel that the Minmatar Sentinel just isn't in line with the others. Minmatar are faster, have more stamina, and have better stamina regeneration without having to sacrifice a module slot to do so. Minmatar also have the 2nd best shield recharge delay and rate and a versatile slot layout.
actually on average, galente have better shield recharge delay than minmatar, then comes caldari, then minmatar.
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Posted - 2014.03.07 07:15:00 -
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Supernus Gigas wrote:The Minmatar Sentinel currently will have 435 Armor and 390 Shields for a total of 825 EHP. That makes it the lowest EHP Sentinel. Also, I thought the Minmatar were more shield based, why does the Minmatar Sentinel have more Armor than Shields then?
But wait! It can move faster than the others!
All the other Sentinels have a Walk Speed of 3.85m/s and a Sprint Speed of 5.39m/s(Walk Speed * 1.4 = Sprint Speed).
The Minmatar Sentinel will have a Walk Speed of 4.05m/s and a Sprint Speed of 5.67m/s.
That really doesn't seem like it makes up for it's lesser EHP.
You can pretty much get the same Sprint Speed as a Minmatar Sentinel in any other Sentinel suit with a basic KinCat and you'll also have more base EHP.
Hell, with the Gallente Sentinel you could slap on a Couple Complex KinCats and some Armor Reps, and you've got a fit that runs faster than a Minmatar Sentinel has great self repping capabilities and more EHP.
HELL! You could do this in an Amarr Sentinel! Two Complex KinCats and a Complex Armor Repper. 135 more EHP, Can run faster and have self armor repping.
The tiny extra speed the Minmatar Sentinel has really does not make up for having less EHP than the other Sentinels, not to mention the Gallente Sentinel and the Amarr Sentinel have the capability to run faster and survive longer.
Sure you could put two KinCats on the Minmatar Sentinel, but that's all your low slots, no room for anything else down there, no reppers, nothing.
I think giving the Minmatar Sentinel an extra low slot so it has an even slot layout of 3/3 would make up for the lesser EHP in my opinion.
It's just a bit sad that two other Sentinels can fill the speed tanking role better than the Minmatar Sentinel can.
EDIT: All this being said, it's not stopping me from going to Prototype Minmatar Sentinel as soon as I can. It's ability to fill a Melee Death Monster role is very appealing to me. I just feel that the Minmatar Sentinel just isn't in line with the others.
thats why i made this thread because minmatar suits are too weak.
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Posted - 2014.03.07 07:20:00 -
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Tallen Ellecon wrote:Highest BASE SPEED. There is no way to increase that.
lowest base ehp.
1.6 made speed tanking worthless, and remember speed =/=ehp.
you cannot compare ehp to speed. they are too different atributes.
compare ehp to recovy because they are related. people with high ehp should have low recovery, and people with low ehp should have high recovery.
since minmatar have low ehp why is it that they have the worst recovery? they need a shorter shield delay, higher shield recharge rate and passive armor reps, albeit lower than galente. because their ehp is too low, and their "speed" doesn't help them disengage from combat fast enough to survive.
remember, ehp should be balanced against recovery
speed should be balanced against stamina
amarr have the highest stamina,
minmatar have the highest speed.
amarr are supposed ot have thhe highest ehp, minmatar the highest recovery,
galente and caldari are supposed to fall between these. but right now, its completely off.
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