DUST Search - What will be the best sniper suit in 1.8?

Awry Barux wrote:

Samantha Hunyz wrote:

I believe it will be either a commando or assault. Not sure what race, but IMO armor tanked are better. They are easier to fit (cpu/pg) and can take more damage.

I'll go over pros and cons of assault, commando, and scout. Even though listen, I believe the scout sniping is inferior.

Pros of the commando:
-High hp pool
-Bonus to damage
-can use another light weapon to be useful on non-sniper friendly maps.

Cons of commando sniping
-slow as hell
(not sure, but do they have equipment slots? if not harder to resupply)

Pros of assault
-Mobility
-Possible bonus that helps improve light weapons
-can carry own ammo resupply

Cons of assualt sniping
(I do not see a downside to assault sniping at this time)

Pros to scout sniping
-can stay of the radar
-ninja vanish in 1.8
-can carry ammo resupply

Cons to scout sniping
-lol hp
-no noticible increase to weapon as with the commando or assault
- easily counter sniped by militia with no sp, leaving long periods of time respawning and relocating to a new spot.

None of the above.

Amarr logi:
Pros:
-Reasonable speed
-Sidearm slot
-3 highs for the correct number of damage mods
-3 equipment slots for nanohives, rep hives, and uplink
-Plenty of low slots for armor tanking
-CPU/PG to spare
Cons:
-Slightly less damage than 1.8 commando

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Samantha Hunyz Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 83	Posted - 2014.03.04 19:38:00 - [1] - Quote I believe it will be either a commando or assault. Not sure what race, but IMO armor tanked are better. They are easier to fit (cpu/pg) and can take more damage. I'll go over pros and cons of assault, commando, and scout. Even though listen, I believe the scout sniping is inferior. Pros of the commando: -High hp pool -Bonus to damage -can use another light weapon to be useful on non-sniper friendly maps. Cons of commando sniping -slow as hell (not sure, but do they have equipment slots? if not harder to resupply) Pros of assault -Mobility -Possible bonus that helps improve light weapons -can carry own ammo resupply Cons of assualt sniping (I do not see a downside to assault sniping at this time) Pros to scout sniping -can stay of the radar -ninja vanish in 1.8 -can carry ammo resupply Cons to scout sniping -lol hp -no noticible increase to weapon as with the commando or assault - easily counter sniped by militia with no sp, leaving long periods of time respawning and relocating to a new spot. When I look down my scope, all I see are dead people.
NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 243	Posted - 2014.03.04 19:42:00 - [2] - Quote Be careful what you spec into... one point eight is suppose to be upgraded to a 8 bit top down action shooter. The sniper play stylemight be ddramatically different. The exact changes are still melted under lock and key. Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1. Original ROF needs to return!
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1863	Posted - 2014.03.04 19:48:00 - [3] - Quote Samantha Hunyz wrote: Pros of the commando: -High hp pool -Bonus to damage -can use another light weapon to be useful on non-sniper friendly maps. Provided damage mods aren't nerfed into oblivion, Caldari Commando is going to be a really, really good sniper. I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 457	Posted - 2014.03.04 19:59:00 - [4] - Quote black eagle scout suit:P Proud Christian add p2p already!
Patrick57 5725	Posted - 2014.03.04 20:03:00 - [5] - Quote Gallente Scout. Two Equipment slots, and you can tank 700+ Armor. Zatara hates me :(
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3324	Posted - 2014.03.04 20:03:00 - [6] - Quote Caldari commando. High base HP and one of, of not the, highest possible damage output of rail weaponry. No.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1440	Posted - 2014.03.04 20:04:00 - [7] - Quote I am going to continue to use the appropriate suit that should be used which is the scout/light suit. Once again CCP, everybody is just going to spec the easiest thing rather than what would be appropriate for the role. Sniper rifle is already nerfed to death for what it is for anyway. Let's just all go heavy. Make it easy. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
DEZKA DIABLO 0uter.Heaven 333	Posted - 2014.03.04 20:04:00 - [8] - Quote Caldari scout, move after every killed target Dead trigger master , an ya I do that ISH ON PURPOSE!
Samantha Hunyz Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 83	Posted - 2014.03.04 20:05:00 - [9] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Samantha Hunyz wrote: Pros of the commando: -High hp pool -Bonus to damage -can use another light weapon to be useful on non-sniper friendly maps. Provided damage mods aren't nerfed into oblivion, Caldari Commando is going to be a really, really good sniper. I believe damage mod changes are going to be bad for sniping. It currently takes 3 complex damage mods to score a single kill with the kaalakiota (the only true proto SR, (Thale is the best but not readily available)). Almost every other "rifle" has enough DPS to mow down 3+ players per mag without a single damage mod. COmbine that with AA, and the game makes up for server lag for them automatically, while non AA weapons do not benefit from this makes it having AA completely unbalanced. When I look down my scope, all I see are dead people.
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 149	Posted - 2014.03.04 20:08:00 - [10] - Quote Samantha Hunyz wrote: Disturbingly Bored wrote: Samantha Hunyz wrote: Pros of the commando: -High hp pool -Bonus to damage -can use another light weapon to be useful on non-sniper friendly maps. Provided damage mods aren't nerfed into oblivion, Caldari Commando is going to be a really, really good sniper. I believe damage mod changes are going to be bad for sniping. It currently takes 3 complex damage mods to score a single kill with the kaalakiota (the only true proto SR, (Thale is the best but not readily available)). Almost every other "rifle" has enough DPS to mow down 3+ players per mag without a single damage mod. COmbine that with AA, and the game makes up for server lag for them automatically, while non AA weapons do not benefit from this makes it having AA completely unbalanced. Gotta be using a tac rifle Sees prototompers... Sees blueberries start to snipe... Pulls out commando suit with laser rifle and swarm launcher...

Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 1190	Posted - 2014.03.04 20:09:00 - [11] - Quote Caldari sentinel *CALDARI not so MASTER RACE* Forum Warrior Level: 10
Aramis Madrigal SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 155	Posted - 2014.03.04 20:13:00 - [12] - Quote With sniping heavily centered around alpha damage and changes to damage mods, I expect the commando to shine. Once 1.8 is live we'll have a better idea I suppose. -Aramis
Samantha Hunyz Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 83	Posted - 2014.03.04 20:15:00 - [13] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Gallente Scout. Two Equipment slots, and you can tank 700+ Armor. This is tempting, beacause of... Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: I am going to continue to use the appropriate suit that should be used which is the scout/light suit. Once again CCP, everybody is just going to spec the easiest thing rather than what would be appropriate for the role. Sniper rifle is already nerfed to death for what it is for anyway. Let's just all go heavy. Make it easy. This Is what I believe. Unfortunately, the damage mod nerf combined with server lag/hit detection will render the scout sniper virtually obsolete due to the alpha damage not being effective at proto levels vs proto suits with proto regen abilities. When I look down my scope, all I see are dead people.
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1369	Posted - 2014.03.04 20:15:00 - [14] - Quote Samantha Hunyz wrote: I believe it will be either a commando or assault. Not sure what race, but IMO armor tanked are better. They are easier to fit (cpu/pg) and can take more damage. I'll go over pros and cons of assault, commando, and scout. Even though listen, I believe the scout sniping is inferior. Pros of the commando: -High hp pool -Bonus to damage -can use another light weapon to be useful on non-sniper friendly maps. Cons of commando sniping -slow as hell (not sure, but do they have equipment slots? if not harder to resupply) Pros of assault -Mobility -Possible bonus that helps improve light weapons -can carry own ammo resupply Cons of assualt sniping (I do not see a downside to assault sniping at this time) Pros to scout sniping -can stay of the radar -ninja vanish in 1.8 -can carry ammo resupply Cons to scout sniping -lol hp -no noticible increase to weapon as with the commando or assault - easily counter sniped by militia with no sp, leaving long periods of time respawning and relocating to a new spot. None of the above. Amarr logi: Pros: -Reasonable speed -Sidearm slot -3 highs for the correct number of damage mods -3 equipment slots for nanohives, rep hives, and uplink -Plenty of low slots for armor tanking -CPU/PG to spare Cons: -Slightly less damage than 1.8 commando
Onesimus Tarsus Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1349	Posted - 2014.03.04 20:16:00 - [15] - Quote I'm digging the Arbiter. Start an alt, use no SP, grab a starter fit and join me in "no SP warriors" chat!
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 2597	Posted - 2014.03.04 20:19:00 - [16] - Quote Cal Assault because reload + tac sr Hellstorm Inc., Executive Director Amarr Victor
CRNWLLC Screwy Rabbit ULC 74	Posted - 2014.03.04 20:29:00 - [17] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Samantha Hunyz wrote: I believe it will be either a commando or assault. Not sure what race, but IMO armor tanked are better. They are easier to fit (cpu/pg) and can take more damage. I'll go over pros and cons of assault, commando, and scout. Even though listen, I believe the scout sniping is inferior. Pros of the commando: -High hp pool -Bonus to damage -can use another light weapon to be useful on non-sniper friendly maps. Cons of commando sniping -slow as hell (not sure, but do they have equipment slots? if not harder to resupply) Pros of assault -Mobility -Possible bonus that helps improve light weapons -can carry own ammo resupply Cons of assualt sniping (I do not see a downside to assault sniping at this time) Pros to scout sniping -can stay of the radar -ninja vanish in 1.8 -can carry ammo resupply Cons to scout sniping -lol hp -no noticible increase to weapon as with the commando or assault - easily counter sniped by militia with no sp, leaving long periods of time respawning and relocating to a new spot. None of the above. Amarr logi: Pros: -Reasonable speed -Sidearm slot -3 highs for the correct number of damage mods -3 equipment slots for nanohives, rep hives, and uplink -Plenty of low slots for armor tanking -CPU/PG to spare Cons: -Slightly less damage than 1.8 commando ^^This, unquestionably. Amarr Logi is the savagest of all potential sniper suits for all the reasons Awry Barux points out. With my Amarr Logi sniper, I have 725 EHP, +~21% damage with the complex mods, and all the logistics (not medic) equipment you'd need. In a lot of ways, I'd say it's simply one of the best suits in the game, since it's so damned customizable! My other dropsuit is a Python.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 4479	Posted - 2014.03.04 20:49:00 - [18] - Quote Caldari Heavy + Thales + Damage Mods + Cloak My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Anarchide, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
Cpl Foster USMC Alpha Response Command 683	Posted - 2014.03.04 20:54:00 - [19] - Quote Min Med mk.0 ? Forum Ban over..!!---> I feel like a "Made Man" now.....
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 654	Posted - 2014.03.04 20:58:00 - [20] - Quote Logistics will still probably be top dog in my opinion. Dropping ammo and a spawn point in case you get killed is really powerful. Even more so, grab a bunch of PG/CPU enhancers and use a Cloak yourself when you get caught.

Samantha Hunyz Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 83	Posted - 2014.03.04 22:13:00 - [21] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Logistics will still probably be top dog in my opinion. Dropping ammo and a spawn point in case you get killed is really powerful. Even more so, grab a bunch of PG/CPU enhancers and use a Cloak yourself when you get caught. While the amar logi is the best choice out of the logistics suit, the lack of extra damage will hurt it in 1.8. A sniper that equips uplinks should only use them to help their team. Using them in the manner you describe is lol, and please continue to do so. I already know where you at, and know where you are going to respawn, making you easily farmed kills. When I look down my scope, all I see are dead people.
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4377	Posted - 2014.03.04 22:18:00 - [22] - Quote Commando does indeed have an equipment slot GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 5 \| Warframe is awesome! \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 1709	Posted - 2014.03.04 22:24:00 - [23] - Quote Heavy with forgegun is the best sniper fit, also good against vehicles... 1.8 it's so secret that nobody know what will be in it, even after patch notes...
Dimmu Borgir II The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 244	Posted - 2014.03.04 22:29:00 - [24] - Quote the best sniper suit is a dead sniper suit... Blue is good, red is bad, orange you glad you're not red?
Samantha Hunyz Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 84	Posted - 2014.03.04 22:52:00 - [25] - Quote Dimmu Borgir II wrote: the best sniper suit is a dead sniper suit... So which crutch do you lean on? AA automatic weapons that hold enough ammo to kill 3+ suits in one sitting or MLT tanks? I'm guessing both. HTFU and GET GUD, scrub When I look down my scope, all I see are dead people.
Samantha Hunyz Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 84	Posted - 2014.03.04 22:54:00 - [26] - Quote Samantha Hunyz wrote: Dimmu Borgir II wrote: the best sniper suit is a dead sniper suit... So which crutch do you lean on? AA automatic weapons that hold enough ammo to kill 3+ suits in one sitting or MLT tanks? I'm guessing both. HTFU and GET GUD, scrub Sorry I had to get it in b4 some butthurt anti-sniper said it first. No hard feelings btw. When I look down my scope, all I see are dead people.
Dimmu Borgir II The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 245	Posted - 2014.03.04 23:00:00 - [27] - Quote Samantha Hunyz wrote: Dimmu Borgir II wrote: the best sniper suit is a dead sniper suit... So which crutch do you lean on? AA automatic weapons that hold enough ammo to kill 3+ suits in one sitting or MLT tanks? I'm guessing both. HTFU and GET GUD, scrub What do you mean? I barely ever get killed by snipers... I just think the only good sniper is a dead sniper... including you ;) Blue is good, red is bad, orange you glad you're not red?
Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 4196	Posted - 2014.03.04 23:10:00 - [28] - Quote You missed some pros to scout sniping Very high mobility (you can GTFO very quickly if need be, also easy to move with your targets) Passive scanning makes you hard to sneak up on if you keep an eye on your mini map In 1.8 they'll have 2 equipment slots Personally, I think the suit you should pick is all about how you snipe. If you like to move around alot like me, go with a scout If you like to sit in one place or want a perch cloaser to the action, go commando. Not really any reason to take an assault over either of the 2, unless a frontline perch is inaccessible with a commando. I am your scan error.
Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 4196	Posted - 2014.03.04 23:11:00 - [29] - Quote Almost forgot- commandos have an equipment slot too, dumbass. I am your scan error.
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1378	Posted - 2014.03.04 23:16:00 - [30] - Quote Samantha Hunyz wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Logistics will still probably be top dog in my opinion. Dropping ammo and a spawn point in case you get killed is really powerful. Even more so, grab a bunch of PG/CPU enhancers and use a Cloak yourself when you get caught. While the amar logi is the best choice out of the logistics suit, the lack of extra damage will hurt it in 1.8. A sniper that equips uplinks should only use them to help their team. Using them in the manner you describe is lol, and please continue to do so. I already know where you at, and know where you are going to respawn, making you easily farmed kills. Nope. The big benefit comes from being able to bring repair hives, ammo hives, and an uplink all on one suit. I've dueled many snipers in my Amarr logi- if you're attentive, you should never eat more than one shot at a time. Your regen abilities are second to none. If you're confident in your sniping abilities (i.e. the amount of time it takes you to move out, crouch, draw a bead, and fire) , you can counter-counter-snipe better than any other suit. Worst case, they get you with a double-tap headshot because you were slow, and you respawn in a true heavy counter-counter-sniper in your fortified nest. I've never met a sniper I couldn't counter-counter-snipe with a sentinel suit and wiyrkomi/allotek hives in my nest. A commando can certainly put more damage down-range, but the big heavy hitbox and only one equipment slot is a major detriment. Basically it's a style choice between guerrilla sniping and just big-dogging other snipers down.

Samantha Hunyz Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 84	Posted - 2014.03.04 23:27:00 - [31] - Quote Dimmu Borgir II wrote: Samantha Hunyz wrote: Dimmu Borgir II wrote: the best sniper suit is a dead sniper suit... So which crutch do you lean on? AA automatic weapons that hold enough ammo to kill 3+ suits in one sitting or MLT tanks? I'm guessing both. HTFU and GET GUD, scrub What do you mean? I barely ever get killed by snipers... I just think the only good sniper is a dead sniper... including you ;) You don't hardly ever die to sniper's because there are hardly any real snipers on anymore. The weapon is UP until you stack damage mods . Even then it is sub par vs proto suits. Combine that with ****** hit detection and server lag, crap zoom, and horrible rendering, combined with maps designed to not have any smart sniper locations. If you do want to test your merrit, I can be found playing Caldari FW. There, I start in a suit with an uplink, and put up what is usually the only uplink on my side. I am often the only reason my side ever holds a point for some time. When I look down my scope, all I see are dead people.
Samantha Hunyz Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 84	Posted - 2014.03.04 23:40:00 - [32] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: You missed some pros to scout sniping Very high mobility (you can GTFO very quickly if need be, also easy to move with your targets) Passive scanning makes you hard to sneak up on if you keep an eye on your mini map In 1.8 they'll have 2 equipment slots Personally, I think the suit you should pick is all about how you snipe. If you like to move around alot like me, go with a scout If you like to sit in one place or want a perch cloaser to the action, go commando. Not really any reason to take an assault over either of the 2, unless a frontline perch is inaccessible with a commando. I prefer the high mobility and shadowing my squad/team. The issues that plaque snipers has caused me to find alternate routes of playstyles to best help my team. I often dropship pilot with a heavy suit with fluxes to reclaim highground from the enemy, getting kills and equipment destruction in the process. From there I usually switch out suits, and get back to the highground to deny enemy . When I look down my scope, all I see are dead people.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1426	Posted - 2014.03.04 23:59:00 - [33] - Quote Well, as long as Sniper Rifles don't get nerfed, I'll still be using my scout suit for most of my sniping.
Dimmu Borgir II The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 245	Posted - 2014.03.05 00:05:00 - [34] - Quote Samantha Hunyz wrote: Dimmu Borgir II wrote: Samantha Hunyz wrote: Dimmu Borgir II wrote: the best sniper suit is a dead sniper suit... So which crutch do you lean on? AA automatic weapons that hold enough ammo to kill 3+ suits in one sitting or MLT tanks? I'm guessing both. HTFU and GET GUD, scrub What do you mean? I barely ever get killed by snipers... I just think the only good sniper is a dead sniper... including you ;) You don't hardly ever die to sniper's because there are hardly any real snipers on anymore. The weapon is UP until you stack damage mods . Even then it is sub par vs proto suits. Combine that with **** hit detection and server lag, crap zoom, and horrible rendering, combined with maps designed to not have any smart sniper locations. If you do want to test your merrit, I can be found playing Caldari FW. There, I start in a suit with an uplink, and put up what is usually the only uplink on my side. I am often the only reason my side ever holds a point for some time. Challenge accepted... but wait... are you a redline Thale sniper?? Because if you are, the only real counter is to be a sniper myself and I can't snipe for ! If you do sneak out of your redline though or at least hide just inside the redline, I'll definitely be up for the hunt Blue is good, red is bad, orange** you glad you're not red?
Lethal Assassin 47 R 0 N 1 N 2	Posted - 2014.03.05 01:01:00 - [35] - Quote Caldari Scout for mobility and cloaking, passive scans, and killing under the radar/behind cover while positioning myself closer to the action.
excillon Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 315	Posted - 2014.03.05 01:17:00 - [36] - Quote Caldari assault...all those hi slots...
safura trotsky Kill Mode Activated Galactic Skyfleet Empire 24	Posted - 2014.03.05 01:28:00 - [37] - Quote ur mum Thanks for picking me up blueberry!...and again...and again...STAHP!!!
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1890	Posted - 2014.03.05 01:29:00 - [38] - Quote Samantha Hunyz wrote: I believe damage mod changes are going to be bad for sniping. It currently takes 3 complex damage mods to score a single kill with the kaalakiota (the only true proto SR, (Thale is the best but not readily available)). Honestly, I think damage mod changes are going to be bad for everything. They aren't as good as their reputation would lead you to believe, and nerfing them would only increase TTK because currently idiots think they're better than shield extenders on every fit. Damage Mods are not broken, they're not overpowered, they simply are. And nerfing them in any way makes them useless. DUST is going to go from fools using damage mods on everything, to absolutely no one using damage mods on anything. I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
safura trotsky Kill Mode Activated Galactic Skyfleet Empire 24	Posted - 2014.03.05 01:30:00 - [39] - Quote ur mum Thanks for picking me up blueberry!...and again...and again...STAHP!!!
Samantha Hunyz Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 86	Posted - 2014.03.05 02:37:00 - [40] - Quote Dimmu Borgir II wrote: Challenge accepted... but wait... are you a redline Thale sniper?? Because if you are, the only real counter is to be a sniper myself and I can't snipe for ****! If you do sneak out of your redline though or at least hide just inside the redline, I'll definitely be up for the hunt On smaller maps with highground around the outside, Ill start just out of the red till I see how my team is attacking. From there I move to higher risks spots based on tmy teams ability to push. On med to large maps, I'm usually on the map in odd spots if I can get to them from the start. In Cal fw, my side is usually redlined, which means I will be behind your team shooting them in the back. When I look down my scope, all I see are dead people.



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