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Defy Gravity Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 214	Posted - 2014.03.02 15:49:00 - [1] - Quote Ever since the tank update came out people cry about how OP they are which they are not. If you get one other person to work with you you can kill any tank. It takes TEAMWORK to destroy tanks. If you can get 1 other person or even your whole squad to work together you will pose a serious threat to any tanker. ( Ex. 2 Forge, 4 AV Grenade Users ) Or any combination of team work. Even if the tank has hardeners on you can still kill it... its not invincible. Or even if you have a tanker working with you teamwork is the second best way to kill tanks. ( Other than people who use the Gunnlogi, Sica, Dual dmg modifier fit on a rail gun pew pew :( ) Amarr FW Supporter. "I will melt you with my scrambler rifle Minmatar filth!"
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2760	Posted - 2014.03.02 15:54:00 - [2] - Quote Gets popcorn Infantry going to have a heart attack Intelligence is OP
Samuel Zelik D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 160	Posted - 2014.03.02 15:59:00 - [3] - Quote The right conclusion (to an extent), but the wrong reason. I was going to use that Installation...
Hecarim Van Hohen ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 487	Posted - 2014.03.02 16:06:00 - [4] - Quote Defy Gravity wrote: Ever since the tank update came out people cry about how OP they are which they are not. If you get one other person to work with you you can kill any tank. It takes TEAMWORK to destroy tanks. If you can get 1 other person or even your whole squad to work together you will pose a serious threat to any tanker. ( Ex. 2 Forge, 4 AV Grenade Users ) Or any combination of team work. Even if the tank has hardeners on you can still kill it... its not invincible. Or even if you have a tanker working with you teamwork is the second best way to kill tanks. ( Other than people who use the Gunnlogi, Sica, Dual dmg modifier fit on a rail gun pew pew :( ) Now tell me how driving a tank takes teamwork ((This might turn out to be a fun thread)) BANGO SKANK WAS HERE 1.7 best match (HMG): 40/9/9 (K/A/D)
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 570	Posted - 2014.03.02 16:08:00 - [5] - Quote Biggest reason tanks are OP? Is the engine torque buff they recived. After taking any serious damage tanks are able to get to max speed far to quickly and are usualy out of AV range in seconds, especialy if fit with a flue injector which has a insainely short cooldown. These forums must be located in the Californin country side, there is whine as far as the eye can see.
ALT2 acc 194	Posted - 2014.03.02 16:10:00 - [6] - Quote Samuel Zelik wrote: The right conclusion (to an extent), but the wrong reason. Blasters, dual reps, dual harda are op Hater attractor proficiency 5, hater attractor optimization 5.
Necandi Brasil DUST BRASIL S.A Proficiency V. 762	Posted - 2014.03.02 16:12:00 - [7] - Quote Your MLT costs less than my proto swarms fitting and you can - 1 hit kill me - Destroy me with machine gun fire - run over me - Redline Rail kill me If you consider this balance, then I shall consider you stupid! BALACSES ??? MY PRECIOUS HAS BALACSES ???
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2459	Posted - 2014.03.02 16:13:00 - [8] - Quote Tanks are balanced, AV is UP. Tanks need some fine tuning, but I think they got them right. Also, don't nerf MLT tanks. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Samuel Zelik D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 160	Posted - 2014.03.02 16:26:00 - [9] - Quote ALT2 acc wrote: Samuel Zelik wrote: The right conclusion (to an extent), but the wrong reason. Blasters, dual reps, dual harda are op Hardly. Get it? lol, i crack myself UP. GET IT!? bahaha! I was going to use that Installation...
Defy Gravity Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 214	Posted - 2014.03.02 16:26:00 - [10] - Quote ALT2 acc wrote: Samuel Zelik wrote: The right conclusion (to an extent), but the wrong reason. Blasters, dual reps, dual harda are op There not invincible though. Infantry are infantry & Tanks are Tanks.... superior to infantry obviously. Amarr FW Supporter. "I will melt you with my scrambler rifle Minmatar filth!"

Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 591	Posted - 2014.03.02 16:27:00 - [11] - Quote Dear OP. ** you. :) The mic bubble bug...** I yield, CCP will be fixing it SOON. Current ETA 1 year since bug
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 688	Posted - 2014.03.02 16:28:00 - [12] - Quote Slow tanks down and or buff prox mines. Problem solved. CCP your matchmaking still sucks. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Defy Gravity Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 214	Posted - 2014.03.02 16:29:00 - [13] - Quote Necandi Brasil wrote: Your MLT costs less than my proto swarms fitting and you can - 1 hit kill me - Destroy me with machine gun fire - run over me - Redline Rail kill me If you consider this balance, then I shall consider you stupid! Tanks actually should be able to do everything you listed other than the reline thing. if you stand in front of an enemy tank and get yourself killed you sir are stupid and need to play something else Amarr FW Supporter. "I will melt you with my scrambler rifle Minmatar filth!"
Defy Gravity Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 214	Posted - 2014.03.02 16:30:00 - [14] - Quote Ares 514 wrote: Dear OP. **** you. :) Love you to. :D Amarr FW Supporter. "I will melt you with my scrambler rifle Minmatar filth!"
Defy Gravity Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 214	Posted - 2014.03.02 16:31:00 - [15] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: Slow tanks down and or buff prox mines. Problem solved. I've thought about that before. but they should do both in the end.. Amarr FW Supporter. "I will melt you with my scrambler rifle Minmatar filth!"
ALT2 acc 194	Posted - 2014.03.02 16:31:00 - [16] - Quote Defy Gravity wrote: ALT2 acc wrote: Samuel Zelik wrote: The right conclusion (to an extent), but the wrong reason. Blasters, dual reps, dual harda are op There not invincible though. Infantry are infantry & Tanks are Tanks.... superior to infantry obviously. Blaster tanks are overpowered Dual reps allow you to never die and make tank fights boring Hater attractor proficiency 5, hater attractor optimization 5.
Sgt Buttscratch KILL-EM-QUICK 1891	Posted - 2014.03.02 16:32:00 - [17] - Quote Defy Gravity wrote: Ever since the tank update came out people cry about how OP they are which they are not. If you get one other person to work with you you can kill any tank. It takes TEAMWORK to destroy tanks. If you can get 1 other person or even your whole squad to work together you will pose a serious threat to any tanker. ( Ex. 2 Forge, 4 AV Grenade Users ) Or any combination of team work. Even if the tank has hardeners on you can still kill it... its not invincible. Or even if you have a tanker working with you teamwork is the second best way to kill tanks. ( Other than people who use the Gunnlogi, Sica, Dual dmg modifier fit on a rail gun pew pew :( ) Which is therefore not balanced. 1 tank + 1 driver,maybe 100k investment 2 forge 4 av = 300-500k ISK So it takes x2-x6 more people to do and alot more isk. Explain? I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
Defy Gravity Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 214	Posted - 2014.03.02 16:33:00 - [18] - Quote ALT2 acc wrote: Defy Gravity wrote: ALT2 acc wrote: Samuel Zelik wrote: The right conclusion (to an extent), but the wrong reason. Blasters, dual reps, dual harda are op There not invincible though. Infantry are infantry & Tanks are Tanks.... superior to infantry obviously. Blaster tanks are overpowered Dual reps allow you to never die and make tank fights boring Thats what teamwork is for lmao. Work together to kill it. Amarr FW Supporter. "I will melt you with my scrambler rifle Minmatar filth!"
Defy Gravity Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 214	Posted - 2014.03.02 16:35:00 - [19] - Quote Sgt Buttscratch wrote: Defy Gravity wrote: Ever since the tank update came out people cry about how OP they are which they are not. If you get one other person to work with you you can kill any tank. It takes TEAMWORK to destroy tanks. If you can get 1 other person or even your whole squad to work together you will pose a serious threat to any tanker. ( Ex. 2 Forge, 4 AV Grenade Users ) Or any combination of team work. Even if the tank has hardeners on you can still kill it... its not invincible. Or even if you have a tanker working with you teamwork is the second best way to kill tanks. ( Other than people who use the Gunnlogi, Sica, Dual dmg modifier fit on a rail gun pew pew :( ) Which is therefore not balanced. 1 tank + 1 driver,maybe 100k investment 2 forge 4 av = 300-500k ISK So it takes x2-x6 more people to do and alot more isk. Explain? Your speaking ISK wise im talking about killing the tank not how much you need to "Invest" Amarr FW Supporter. "I will melt you with my scrambler rifle Minmatar filth!"
ALT2 acc 194	Posted - 2014.03.02 16:35:00 - [20] - Quote Defy Gravity wrote: ALT2 acc wrote: Defy Gravity wrote: ALT2 acc wrote: Samuel Zelik wrote: The right conclusion (to an extent), but the wrong reason. Blasters, dual reps, dual harda are op There not invincible though. Infantry are infantry & Tanks are Tanks.... superior to infantry obviously. Blaster tanks are overpowered Dual reps allow you to never die and make tank fights boring Thats what teamwork is for lmao. Work together to kill it. I use blasters, they are very op Hater attractor proficiency 5, hater attractor optimization 5.

AREYOUTHAT STUPID Carbon 7 CRONOS. 15	Posted - 2014.03.02 16:36:00 - [21] - Quote Way to try and high jack another guys informative thread by naming it the same thing....big bad forum trolls are sad. The original thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=144842&find=unread
Defy Gravity Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 216	Posted - 2014.03.02 16:37:00 - [22] - Quote AREYOUTHAT STUPID wrote: Way to try and high jack another guys informative thread by naming it the same thing....big bad forum trolls are sad. The original thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=144842&find=unread Its not my intent to jack someone else's thread. Amarr FW Supporter. "I will melt you with my scrambler rifle Minmatar filth!"
ALT2 acc 194	Posted - 2014.03.02 16:38:00 - [23] - Quote I cant believe people think blasters are fine I cant use teamwork if only I pull out a forge Hater attractor proficiency 5, hater attractor optimization 5.
Defy Gravity Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 216	Posted - 2014.03.02 16:41:00 - [24] - Quote ALT2 acc wrote: I cant believe people think blasters are fine I cant use teamwork if only I pull out a forge Peoplecry about blasters because they cry about loseing there proto suit to it. 3 Packed av's will send a tank running. Amarr FW Supporter. "I will melt you with my scrambler rifle Minmatar filth!"
ALT2 acc 194	Posted - 2014.03.02 16:41:00 - [25] - Quote Defy Gravity wrote: ALT2 acc wrote: I cant believe people think blasters are fine I cant use teamwork if only I pull out a forge Peoplecry about blasters because they cry about loseing there proto suit to it. 3 Packed av's will send a tank running. Not me I sit there abusing dual reps Tanks are op. Hater attractor proficiency 5, hater attractor optimization 5.
Necandi Brasil DUST BRASIL S.A Proficiency V. 766	Posted - 2014.03.02 16:43:00 - [26] - Quote Defy Gravity wrote: Necandi Brasil wrote: Your MLT costs less than my proto swarms fitting and you can - 1 hit kill me - Destroy me with machine gun fire - run over me - Redline Rail kill me If you consider this balance, then I shall consider you stupid! Tanks actually should be able to do everything you listed other than the reline thing. if you stand in front of an enemy tank and get yourself killed you sir are stupid and need to play something else Do me a video soloing 3 tanks in an ambush with a forge... Just that BALACSES ??? MY PRECIOUS HAS BALACSES ???
DEA Scott Richardson Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 15	Posted - 2014.03.02 16:43:00 - [27] - Quote Defy Gravity wrote: Ever since the tank update came out people cry about how OP they are which they are not. If you get one other person to work with you you can kill any tank. It takes TEAMWORK to destroy tanks. If you can get 1 other person or even your whole squad to work together you will pose a serious threat to any tanker. ( Ex. 2 Forge, 4 AV Grenade Users ) Or any combination of team work. Even if the tank has hardeners on you can still kill it... its not invincible. Or even if you have a tanker working with you teamwork is the second best way to kill tanks. ( Other than people who use the Gunnlogi, Sica, Dual dmg modifier fit on a rail gun pew pew :( ) I agree if people cant use teamwork to kill a tank whats the point of this game. People stand in front of a tank and die & they start crying on the forums. lol
ALT2 acc 194	Posted - 2014.03.02 16:45:00 - [28] - Quote Necandi Brasil wrote: Defy Gravity wrote: Necandi Brasil wrote: Your MLT costs less than my proto swarms fitting and you can - 1 hit kill me - Destroy me with machine gun fire - run over me - Redline Rail kill me If you consider this balance, then I shall consider you stupid! Tanks actually should be able to do everything you listed other than the reline thing. if you stand in front of an enemy tank and get yourself killed you sir are stupid and need to play something else Do me a video soloing 3 tanks in an ambush with a forge... Just that Forges need charge time buff Madrugar speed nerf by 3m/s or more, nerf nitros and blasters Gunlogi speed nerf by 1m/s Give assault dropships 200 more hp based on tank, maybe 10% resistance Hater attractor proficiency 5, hater attractor optimization 5.
Defy Gravity Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 216	Posted - 2014.03.02 16:45:00 - [29] - Quote Necandi Brasil wrote: Defy Gravity wrote: Necandi Brasil wrote: Your MLT costs less than my proto swarms fitting and you can - 1 hit kill me - Destroy me with machine gun fire - run over me - Redline Rail kill me If you consider this balance, then I shall consider you stupid! Tanks actually should be able to do everything you listed other than the reline thing. if you stand in front of an enemy tank and get yourself killed you sir are stupid and need to play something else Do me a video soloing 3 tanks in an ambush with a forge... Just that Its not hard. & thats not my point of the thread. 2 people with forges can kill 10 tanks if anything... they just have to play it smart. Amarr FW Supporter. "I will melt you with my scrambler rifle Minmatar filth!"
ALT2 acc 194	Posted - 2014.03.02 16:46:00 - [30] - Quote DEA Scott Richardson wrote: Defy Gravity wrote: Ever since the tank update came out people cry about how OP they are which they are not. If you get one other person to work with you you can kill any tank. It takes TEAMWORK to destroy tanks. If you can get 1 other person or even your whole squad to work together you will pose a serious threat to any tanker. ( Ex. 2 Forge, 4 AV Grenade Users ) Or any combination of team work. Even if the tank has hardeners on you can still kill it... its not invincible. Or even if you have a tanker working with you teamwork is the second best way to kill tanks. ( Other than people who use the Gunnlogi, Sica, Dual dmg modifier fit on a rail gun pew pew :( ) I agree if people cant use teamwork to kill a tank whats the point of this game. People stand in front of a tank and die & they start crying on the forums. lol Nobody does that but the forgers they instakill Hater attractor proficiency 5, hater attractor optimization 5.

Defy Gravity Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 216	Posted - 2014.03.02 16:47:00 - [31] - Quote ALT2 acc wrote: Necandi Brasil wrote: Defy Gravity wrote: Necandi Brasil wrote: Your MLT costs less than my proto swarms fitting and you can - 1 hit kill me - Destroy me with machine gun fire - run over me - Redline Rail kill me If you consider this balance, then I shall consider you stupid! Tanks actually should be able to do everything you listed other than the reline thing. if you stand in front of an enemy tank and get yourself killed you sir are stupid and need to play something else Do me a video soloing 3 tanks in an ambush with a forge... Just that Forges need charge time buff Madrugar speed nerf by 3m/s or more, nerf nitros and blasters Gunlogi speed nerf by 1m/s Give assault dropships 200 more hp based on tanmaybe 10% resistance Speed nerf I can agree with its a bit ridiculos. & the dropship thing its different but yea they deserve more hp... Amarr FW Supporter. "I will melt you with my scrambler rifle Minmatar filth!"
Defy Gravity Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 216	Posted - 2014.03.02 16:48:00 - [32] - Quote ALT2 acc wrote: DEA Scott Richardson wrote: Defy Gravity wrote: Ever since the tank update came out people cry about how OP they are which they are not. If you get one other person to work with you you can kill any tank. It takes TEAMWORK to destroy tanks. If you can get 1 other person or even your whole squad to work together you will pose a serious threat to any tanker. ( Ex. 2 Forge, 4 AV Grenade Users ) Or any combination of team work. Even if the tank has hardeners on you can still kill it... its not invincible. Or even if you have a tanker working with you teamwork is the second best way to kill tanks. ( Other than people who use the Gunnlogi, Sica, Dual dmg modifier fit on a rail gun pew pew :( ) I agree if people cant use teamwork to kill a tank whats the point of this game. People stand in front of a tank and die & they start crying on the forums. lol Nobody does that but the forgers they instakill Stupid Forger's get instakilled. Amarr FW Supporter. "I will melt you with my scrambler rifle Minmatar filth!"
ALT2 acc 194	Posted - 2014.03.02 16:59:00 - [33] - Quote Defy Gravity wrote: ALT2 acc wrote: Necandi Brasil wrote: Defy Gravity wrote: Necandi Brasil wrote: Your MLT costs less than my proto swarms fitting and you can - 1 hit kill me - Destroy me with machine gun fire - run over me - Redline Rail kill me If you consider this balance, then I shall consider you stupid! Tanks actually should be able to do everything you listed other than the reline thing. if you stand in front of an enemy tank and get yourself killed you sir are stupid and need to play something else Do me a video soloing 3 tanks in an ambush with a forge... Just that Forges need charge time buff Madrugar speed nerf by 3m/s or more, nerf nitros and blasters Gunlogi speed nerf by 1m/s Give assault dropships 200 more hp based on tanmaybe 10% resistance Speed nerf I can agree with its a bit ridiculos. & the dropship thing its different but yea they deserve more hp... Python needs more shields because lol its 3 shotted Atm idgaf about lore, balance wise maddies need to be slower than gunnies Dropship resistance for better forges Hater attractor proficiency 5, hater attractor optimization 5.
ALT2 acc 194	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:00:00 - [34] - Quote Defy Gravity wrote: ALT2 acc wrote: DEA Scott Richardson wrote: Defy Gravity wrote: Ever since the tank update came out people cry about how OP they are which they are not. If you get one other person to work with you you can kill any tank. It takes TEAMWORK to destroy tanks. If you can get 1 other person or even your whole squad to work together you will pose a serious threat to any tanker. ( Ex. 2 Forge, 4 AV Grenade Users ) Or any combination of team work. Even if the tank has hardeners on you can still kill it... its not invincible. Or even if you have a tanker working with you teamwork is the second best way to kill tanks. ( Other than people who use the Gunnlogi, Sica, Dual dmg modifier fit on a rail gun pew pew :( ) I agree if people cant use teamwork to kill a tank whats the point of this game. People stand in front of a tank and die & they start crying on the forums. lol Nobody does that but the forgers they instakill Stupid Forger's get instakilled. I shoot a tank alone because atupid bluedots, hits hardener, comes back, dies. If on roof, tanks all my damage because dual reps are overpowered Hater attractor proficiency 5, hater attractor optimization 5.
Necandi Brasil DUST BRASIL S.A Proficiency V. 768	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:04:00 - [35] - Quote Defy Gravity wrote: Necandi Brasil wrote: Defy Gravity wrote: Necandi Brasil wrote: Your MLT costs less than my proto swarms fitting and you can - 1 hit kill me - Destroy me with machine gun fire - run over me - Redline Rail kill me If you consider this balance, then I shall consider you stupid! Tanks actually should be able to do everything you listed other than the reline thing. if you stand in front of an enemy tank and get yourself killed you sir are stupid and need to play something else Do me a video soloing 3 tanks in an ambush with a forge... Just that Its not hard. & thats not my point of the thread. 2 people with forges can kill 10 tanks if anything... they just have to play it smart. BALACSES ??? MY PRECIOUS HAS BALACSES ???
Sgt Buttscratch KILL-EM-QUICK 1894	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:04:00 - [36] - Quote Defy Gravity wrote: Sgt Buttscratch wrote: Defy Gravity wrote: Ever since the tank update came out people cry about how OP they are which they are not. If you get one other person to work with you you can kill any tank. It takes TEAMWORK to destroy tanks. If you can get 1 other person or even your whole squad to work together you will pose a serious threat to any tanker. ( Ex. 2 Forge, 4 AV Grenade Users ) Or any combination of team work. Even if the tank has hardeners on you can still kill it... its not invincible. Or even if you have a tanker working with you teamwork is the second best way to kill tanks. ( Other than people who use the Gunnlogi, Sica, Dual dmg modifier fit on a rail gun pew pew :( ) Which is therefore not balanced. 1 tank + 1 driver,maybe 100k investment 2 forge 4 av = 300-500k ISK So it takes x2-x6 more people to do and alot more isk. Explain? Your speaking ISK wise im talking about killing the tank not how much you need to "Invest" I'm talking BOTH, amount of players required and amount of isk required, furthermore what about the amount of SP required. considering I can go on a tank slaughter right out of academy, AVv nades require SP or AUR I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
ALT2 acc 194	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:05:00 - [37] - Quote Sgt Buttscratch wrote: Defy Gravity wrote: Sgt Buttscratch wrote: Defy Gravity wrote: Ever since the tank update came out people cry about how OP they are which they are not. If you get one other person to work with you you can kill any tank. It takes TEAMWORK to destroy tanks. If you can get 1 other person or even your whole squad to work together you will pose a serious threat to any tanker. ( Ex. 2 Forge, 4 AV Grenade Users ) Or any combination of team work. Even if the tank has hardeners on you can still kill it... its not invincible. Or even if you have a tanker working with you teamwork is the second best way to kill tanks. ( Other than people who use the Gunnlogi, Sica, Dual dmg modifier fit on a rail gun pew pew :( ) Which is therefore not balanced. 1 tank + 1 driver,maybe 100k investment 2 forge 4 av = 300-500k ISK So it takes x2-x6 more people to do and alot more isk. Explain? Your speaking ISK wise im talking about killing the tank not how much you need to "Invest" I'm talking BOTH, amount of players required and amount of isk required, furthermore what about the amount of SP required. considering I can go on a tank slaughter right out of academy, AVv nades require SP or AUR My nerfs would do just fine Hater attractor proficiency 5, hater attractor optimization 5.
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 3851	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:06:00 - [38] - Quote counter argument: if it takes teamwork to kill a tank, why doesnt it take teamwork to use a tank effectively? Scout- "I'm going to knife you my commando!!!" commando turns around Commando- "FAAAAALCCCOOONNNNN PUUUUNNNCCCCHH!!"
ALT2 acc 194	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:08:00 - [39] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: counter argument: if it takes teamwork to kill a tank, why doesnt it take teamwork to use a tank effectively? Dropships, are they different? Hater attractor proficiency 5, hater attractor optimization 5.
Hecarim Van Hohen ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 495	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:12:00 - [40] - Quote ALT2 acc wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: counter argument: if it takes teamwork to kill a tank, why doesnt it take teamwork to use a tank effectively? Dropships, are they different? Dropships are easily killed by a single guy with an FG BANGO SKANK WAS HERE 1.7 best match (HMG): 40/9/9 (K/A/D)

Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1393	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:16:00 - [41] - Quote Mil tanks should only take one SL to destroy. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 3852	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:18:00 - [42] - Quote Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: ALT2 acc wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: counter argument: if it takes teamwork to kill a tank, why doesnt it take teamwork to use a tank effectively? Dropships, are they different? Dropships are easily killed by a single guy with an FG ^ this a droship can be used effectively by 1 person, and eliminated with relative ease by 1 person. a tank can be used effectively by 1 person, and eliminated by 4(-ish) people with relative ease Scout- "I'm going to knife you my commando!!!" commando turns around Commando- "FAAAAALCCCOOONNNNN PUUUUNNNCCCCHH!!"
ALT2 acc 196	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:31:00 - [43] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: ALT2 acc wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: counter argument: if it takes teamwork to kill a tank, why doesnt it take teamwork to use a tank effectively? Dropships, are they different? Dropships are easily killed by a single guy with an FG ^ this a droship can be used effectively by 1 person, and eliminated with relative ease by 1 person. a tank can be used effectively by 1 person, and eliminated by 4(-ish) people with relative ease They are a bit too thin thouh A bit of thingking, a missile turret isnt as good at all as a large blaster Tiny dropship buff though Mainly python And a incubus rep rate buff Hater attractor proficiency 5, hater attractor optimization 5.
ALT2 acc 196	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:34:00 - [44] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: ALT2 acc wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: counter argument: if it takes teamwork to kill a tank, why doesnt it take teamwork to use a tank effectively? Dropships, are they different? Dropships are easily killed by a single guy with an FG ^ this a droship can be used effectively by 1 person, and eliminated with relative ease by 1 person. a tank can be used effectively by 1 person, and eliminated by 4(-ish) people with relative ease They are a bit too thin thouh A bit of thingking, a missile turret isnt as good at all as a large blaster Tiny dropship buff though Mainly python And a incubus rep rate buff Hater attractor proficiency 5, hater attractor optimization 5.
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 3855	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:39:00 - [45] - Quote i agree, droships do need a slight buff (and a price nerf for the ADS....well at least until they dont become fancy paperweights....) Scout- "I'm going to knife you my commando!!!" commando turns around Commando- "FAAAAALCCCOOONNNNN PUUUUNNNCCCCHH!!"
ALT2 acc 197	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:41:00 - [46] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: i agree, droships do need a slight buff (and a price nerf for the ADS....well at least until they dont become fancy paperweights....) A peice of 200k or 150k for the hull would be perfect Make the incubus rate around the rate of the madrugar, all light armor vehicles dont rep as fast compared to light shueld vehicles. 200 shield for python buff, same for incubus only armor Hater attractor proficiency 5, hater attractor optimization 5.
ALT2 acc 197	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:57:00 - [47] - Quote ALT2 acc wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: i agree, droships do need a slight buff (and a price nerf for the ADS....well at least until they dont become fancy paperweights....) A price of 200k or 150k for the hull would be perfect Make the incubus rep around the rate of the madrugar, all light armor vehicles dont rep as fast compared to light shield vehicles. 200 shield for python buff, same for incubus only armor Typos galore. Hater attractor proficiency 5, hater attractor optimization 5.
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 136	Posted - 2014.03.02 18:06:00 - [48] - Quote Defy Gravity wrote: Ever since the tank update came out people cry about how OP they are which they are not. If you get one other person to work with you you can kill any tank. It takes TEAMWORK to destroy tanks. If you can get 1 other person or even your whole squad to work together you will pose a serious threat to any tanker. ( Ex. 2 Forge, 4 AV Grenade Users ) Or any combination of team work. Even if the tank has hardeners on you can still kill it... its not invincible. Or even if you have a tanker working with you teamwork is the second best way to kill tanks. ( Other than people who use the Gunnlogi, Sica, Dual dmg modifier fit on a rail gun pew pew :( ) Tanks are op because there bigger better stronger faster they have no weakness unlike most other things in this game. And everybody already know the tanks are op no reason in trying to cover it up. Caldari Loyalist
Atiim 5166	Posted - 2014.03.02 18:15:00 - [49] - Quote Defy Gravity wrote: ALT2 acc wrote: Samuel Zelik wrote: The right conclusion (to an extent), but the wrong reason. Blasters, dual reps, dual harda are op There not invincible though. Infantry are infantry & Tanks are Tanks.... superior to infantry obviously. Tanks are "Tanks", against Anti-Vehicle weaponry. AV > Vehicles > Infantry Please present something that's not anecdotal as to how HAVs are not overpowered please. Atiim (Gunnlogi - 80GJ Particle Cannon) Tank Scrub [s]Text[/s] <---------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 136	Posted - 2014.03.02 18:21:00 - [50] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: i agree, droships do need a slight buff (and a price nerf for the ADS....well at least until they dont become fancy paperweights....) Dropships are fine they require skill we don't need fluting tanks now do we? But prices do need a decrease. Caldari Loyalist

Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1892	Posted - 2014.03.02 18:38:00 - [51] - Quote Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: Defy Gravity wrote: Ever since the tank update came out people cry about how OP they are which they are not. If you get one other person to work with you you can kill any tank. It takes TEAMWORK to destroy tanks. If you can get 1 other person or even your whole squad to work together you will pose a serious threat to any tanker. ( Ex. 2 Forge, 4 AV Grenade Users ) Or any combination of team work. Even if the tank has hardeners on you can still kill it... its not invincible. Or even if you have a tanker working with you teamwork is the second best way to kill tanks. ( Other than people who use the Gunnlogi, Sica, Dual dmg modifier fit on a rail gun pew pew :( ) Now tell me how driving a tank takes teamwork ((This might turn out to be a fun thread)) Have you tried driving a tank? Have you tried escaping from a rail tank? Two blaster tanks? A suicide LAV? A LAV with 3 forge gunners in it? A missile tank if you're using armor? An orb? I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Atiim 5167	Posted - 2014.03.02 18:41:00 - [52] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Have you tried driving a tank? Have you tried escaping from a rail tank? Two blaster tanks? A suicide LAV? A LAV with 3 forge gunners in it? A missile tank if you're using armor? An orb? 1. Yes 2. Yes 3. Yes 4. Yes 5. Yes 6. Yes 7. Yes All without teamwork. Atiim (Gunnlogi - 80GJ Particle Cannon) Tank Scrub [s]Text[/s] <---------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1892	Posted - 2014.03.02 18:48:00 - [53] - Quote Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Have you tried driving a tank? Have you tried escaping from a rail tank? Two blaster tanks? A suicide LAV? A LAV with 3 forge gunners in it? A missile tank if you're using armor? An orb? 1. Yes 2. Yes 3. Yes 4. Yes 5. Yes 6. Yes 7. Yes All without teamwork. I wasn't asking you. Go back to your cave. If you did all that, you'd be considered a tanker, and your opinion about vehicles would actually carry weight. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Atiim 5168	Posted - 2014.03.02 18:50:00 - [54] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Have you tried driving a tank? Have you tried escaping from a rail tank? Two blaster tanks? A suicide LAV? A LAV with 3 forge gunners in it? A missile tank if you're using armor? An orb? 1. Yes 2. Yes 3. Yes 4. Yes 5. Yes 6. Yes 7. Yes All without teamwork. I wasn't asking you. Go back to your cave. If you did all that, you'd be considered a tanker, and your opinion about vehicles would actually carry weight. So you admit that I am a tanker, and that my opinion about vehicles actually carries weight? :D Atiim (Gunnlogi - 80GJ Particle Cannon) Tank Scrub [s]Text[/s] <---------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 3861	Posted - 2014.03.02 18:52:00 - [55] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: i agree, droships do need a slight buff (and a price nerf for the ADS....well at least until they dont become fancy paperweights....) Dropships are fine they require skill we don't need fluting tanks now do we? But prices do need a decrease. agreed, i didnt specify what kind of buff, and i think the difficulty of flying a DS will trun many newberries away. Scout- "I'm going to knife you my commando!!!" commando turns around Commando- "FAAAAALCCCOOONNNNN PUUUUNNNCCCCHH!!"
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1892	Posted - 2014.03.02 18:55:00 - [56] - Quote Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Have you tried driving a tank? Have you tried escaping from a rail tank? Two blaster tanks? A suicide LAV? A LAV with 3 forge gunners in it? A missile tank if you're using armor? An orb? 1. Yes 2. Yes 3. Yes 4. Yes 5. Yes 6. Yes 7. Yes All without teamwork. I wasn't asking you. Go back to your cave. If you did all that, you'd be considered a tanker, and your opinion about vehicles would actually carry weight. So you admit that I am a tanker, and that my opinion about vehicles actually carries weight? :D You probably did poorly in English class. How could you possibly come to that conclusion from what I said? I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Atiim 5168	Posted - 2014.03.02 18:57:00 - [57] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Have you tried driving a tank? Have you tried escaping from a rail tank? Two blaster tanks? A suicide LAV? A LAV with 3 forge gunners in it? A missile tank if you're using armor? An orb? 1. Yes 2. Yes 3. Yes 4. Yes 5. Yes 6. Yes 7. Yes All without teamwork. I wasn't asking you. Go back to your cave. If you did all that, you'd be considered a tanker, and your opinion about vehicles would actually carry weight. So you admit that I am a tanker, and that my opinion about vehicles actually carries weight? :D You probably did poorly in English class. How could you possibly come to that conclusion from what I said? Because I did do all of that and according to you; if I did all of that stuff I'd be considered a tanker who's opinion actually carries weight. Atiim (Gunnlogi - 80GJ Particle Cannon) Tank Scrub [s]Text[/s] <---------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
SUPERTOASTER 789 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 17	Posted - 2014.03.02 19:02:00 - [58] - Quote All ccp needs is to slow them down to a speed where there not going almost as fast as an lav. these is the real problem here with tanks moving at there current speed it just a bit to fast there easily able to avoid av nads as long as there not sleeks. and unless your using pro it takes well over 3 to kill a good tanker not to mention that as soon as they get hit there gone in a flash. back in to the redline where not one can hurt them. just in short, just slow them down and we can start from there. TOAST for all
Xyl5 Raging Pack of Homosapiens 20	Posted - 2014.03.02 19:04:00 - [59] - Quote I'd like to see CCP make vehicles in FPS mode only. Seeing how many people will suck driving them would be hilarious.
SUPERTOASTER 789 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 17	Posted - 2014.03.02 19:05:00 - [60] - Quote SUPERTOASTER 789 wrote: All ccp needs is to slow them down to a speed where there not going almost as fast as an lav. these is the real problem here with tanks moving at there current speed it just a bit to fast there easily able to avoid av nads as long as there not sleeks. and unless your using pro it takes well over 3 to kill a good tanker not to mention that as soon as they get hit there gone in a flash. back in to the redline where not one can hurt them. just in short, just slow them down and we can start from there. And as team work should play a part there still should be no reason for more then 1 forge and a few av throwers/swarmers to be able to fight a tank. TOAST for all

Rodd of Nor Nor Clan Combat Logistics 29	Posted - 2014.03.02 19:08:00 - [61] - Quote any time you want to talk about balance please ask the judge as he has answers for a lot of your questions already just have a look at this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lBjUlQNYR4&feature=c4-overview&list=UUy11xToip47aIW0M9TSOKrQ It is better to be thought an idiot, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1892	Posted - 2014.03.02 19:09:00 - [62] - Quote Atiim wrote: :D You probably did poorly in English class. How could you possibly come to that conclusion from what I said?[/quote] Because I did do all of that and according to you; if I did all of that stuff I'd be considered a tanker who's opinion actually carries weight.[/quote] But people don't see you. I've seen you twice in dom. Do you play ambush? Ambush is meaningless. Like I said, if the tankers on here respected you, then your opinion about vehicles would mean something. Until then, just start a petition to have vehicles removed in their entirety. That's where your opinions lead to. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1892	Posted - 2014.03.02 19:11:00 - [63] - Quote Rodd of Nor wrote: any time you want to talk about balance please ask the judge as he has answers for a lot of your questions already just have a look at this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lBjUlQNYR4&feature=c4-overview&list=UUy11xToip47aIW0M9TSOKrQ Another one of you people? He wants railguns removed. Infantry wants blasters removed. That would leave missiles as the only turret tankers can use. But wait... once infantry realizes we can use that against them as well, they'll want that removed, too. And then infantry will finally achieve their goal of removing tanks from the game. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Rodd of Nor Nor Clan Combat Logistics 30	Posted - 2014.03.02 19:21:00 - [64] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Another one of you people? He wants railguns removed. Infantry wants blasters removed. That would leave missiles as the only turret tankers can use. But wait... once infantry realizes we can use that against them as well, they'll want that removed, too. And then infantry will finally achieve their goal of removing tanks from the game. Actually if you watch the video all the way to the end its talking about the fact you cant balance the game by buffing/nerfing damage/hp the focus on the rail tank is because its the most obvious place to start with the forums the way they are, please watch the whole video. It is better to be thought an idiot, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Atiim 5172	Posted - 2014.03.02 19:37:00 - [65] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: But people don't see you. I've seen you twice in dom. Do you play ambush? Ambush is meaningless. Like I said, if the tankers on here respected you, then your opinion about vehicles would mean something. Until then, just start a petition to have vehicles removed in their entirety. That's where your opinions lead to. I disagree. Tons of people on the forums have meet me. I honestly don't care if tankers respect me. Most of them are a group of radicals who believe that being inside a vehicle should make them superior, and believes that the only people who should have a say in them are the ones who pilot vehicles themselves. I have never once said, nor implied that I want vehicles removed. If you can present and link a quote from me stating that I want vehicles removed, I will leave the forums forever. Go ahead Speaker. I'm waiting. Atiim (Gunnlogi - 80GJ Particle Cannon) Tank Scrub [s]Text[/s] <---------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 639	Posted - 2014.03.02 19:43:00 - [66] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Mil tanks should only take one SL to destroy. Swarm Launchers are assistant tools, not mainline AV... If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 137	Posted - 2014.03.02 19:52:00 - [67] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Have you tried driving a tank? Have you tried escaping from a rail tank? Two blaster tanks? A suicide LAV? A LAV with 3 forge gunners in it? A missile tank if you're using armor? An orb? 1. Yes 2. Yes 3. Yes 4. Yes 5. Yes 6. Yes 7. Yes All without teamwork. I wasn't asking you. Go back to your cave. If you did all that, you'd be considered a tanker, and your opinion about vehicles would actually carry weight. So you admit that I am a tanker, and that my opinion about vehicles actually carries weight? :D You probably did poorly in English class. How could you possibly come to that conclusion from what I said? Think about it he put yes for everything and you said that if you did everything that he put yes to then he answers were useful You need a sence of humor my friend. Caldari Loyalist
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 639	Posted - 2014.03.02 19:58:00 - [68] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: [quote=Spkr4theDead] Have you tried driving [...] Two blaster tanks? 3. Yes Love to see the video of you driving two tanks at the same time. If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming
Hunter Fencen ROGUE SPADES 102	Posted - 2014.03.02 20:02:00 - [69] - Quote I've tanked since day 1 open beta, tanks are fine atm, however militia tanks and speed mods are grossly OP and need nerfing highly as they are just far far too similar to their SP counterparts for much less price and AV can't hurt a tank if its moving at 90mph
Derpty Derp It's All Gone Derp 63	Posted - 2014.03.02 20:02:00 - [70] - Quote Redzone tanks out of range of forges, hidden from tanks as soon as hit once by them... Can't be killed but can snipe at least half the map (usually the whole map.) Tank with blaster turret, hardener and **** tons of armour rep, once had a team of 4 forgers shooting the thing and it just hit full hp between shots, didn't matter if we all shot at once or all shot one after the other, that armour rep is bullshite... I'll admit when out tank showed up it looked like the 5 of us could take out that 1 tank, but unfortunately that tank driver was stupid and missed every shot. The only thing that balances the armour rep stacking is a jihad... Although Jihading starts out fun, it soon gets old and boring and you spend the whole match chasing tank after tank as they spawn 3 more for every 1 you kill. Also no balance between tankyness and damage, I think they should make hardeners drop damage by 30% for each one active and any damage mods should drop the defence by 50%. All that extra power usage should have a downside, hitting a speed booster should also have consequences.

Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2975	Posted - 2014.03.02 20:22:00 - [71] - Quote Tanks are one man fittings, so they need to be balanced against other one man fittings or they act as multipliers which throw these small matches way out of balance. Tanks kill AI infantry and they kill AV infantry. AI infantry can't touch tanks. So right there you have the advantage of splitting up your enemy forces. On top of that you want to be worth a multiple of the remaining portion that can challenge you. That is completely unbalanced. Try to get past any preconceptions of the fitting and consider the role instead. You are an infantry killer just like all those other suits. You share a task/role with them. That is the crucial point. Once you grasp that point you realize that fitting can't be worth multiples of any other or it's the clear winner and everyone would have to use it if they wanted to win. No, that's not the conventional view of a tank, but then conventional tanks don't go around hunting individual infantry with their main gun, do they? No, they blow up the big stuff and rely on infantry to shoot infantry.
Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1218	Posted - 2014.03.02 21:08:00 - [72] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: Slow tanks down and or buff prox mines. Problem solved. They're both fine. I would've been killed multiple times by proxies (and I at full health) if it wasn't for my shield extender allowing me to escape with just armor left or a minimal amount of shield left. Proxies should not be able to destroy a tank at full health if it is fitted with additional health. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
Martyr Saboteur Amarrtyrs 190	Posted - 2014.03.02 21:15:00 - [73] - Quote In think it should take the concentrated fire of at least 3 large turrets to kill a dropsuit. Its teamwork! Totally not Fizzer94's forum alt. Definitely just a random dude.
Marston VC SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1554	Posted - 2014.03.02 21:52:00 - [74] - Quote Defy Gravity wrote: Ever since the tank update came out people cry about how OP they are which they are not. If you get one other person to work with you you can kill any tank. It takes TEAMWORK to destroy tanks. If you can get 1 other person or even your whole squad to work together you will pose a serious threat to any tanker. ( Ex. 2 Forge, 4 AV Grenade Users ) Or any combination of team work. Even if the tank has hardeners on you can still kill it... its not invincible. Or even if you have a tanker working with you teamwork is the second best way to kill tanks. ( Other than people who use the Gunnlogi, Sica, Dual dmg modifier fit on a rail gun pew pew :( ) It takes teamwork to kill one person. Sounds about right. Needing at least two people to kill one person, who if left unopposed can devastate the other team single handedly...... Or you have to be forced into driving a tank yourself. But you know what you might have failed to mention? What are we supposed to do when the tanker is working with the team? And by team, I mean the tank squad he's in? If theres one squad of tanks, by your logic we would need to run two squads of forge guns. (because that's totally realistic right?), or, if we want to maintain our infantry slaying suits we would need to have 24 guys running AV nades..... oh wait..... the player cap is 16..... And for the love of god don't say "Full squads of tanks don't happen that often" Because they do...... Ever played against nyan san? or Duna corp? It happens pretty frequently. Sometimes there doesn't even need to be a squad, one person pulls out a tank, then two people on the opposing team pulls out tanks and then eventually one team gets all their tanks washed out and the rest of the match is just a curb stomp. You see, if there were only ever allowed to be 1 or 2 tanks on either side, I would possibly agree with you. (probably not) But the fact that there can be 6 tanks on any given team, totally breaks any attempt at gameplay balance. Marston VC, STB Director
Defy Gravity Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 219	Posted - 2014.03.03 01:32:00 - [75] - Quote Necandi Brasil wrote: Defy Gravity wrote: Necandi Brasil wrote: Defy Gravity wrote: Necandi Brasil wrote: Your MLT costs less than my proto swarms fitting and you can - 1 hit kill me - Destroy me with machine gun fire - run over me - Redline Rail kill me If you consider this balance, then I shall consider you stupid! Tanks actually should be able to do everything you listed other than the reline thing. if you stand in front of an enemy tank and get yourself killed you sir are stupid and need to play something else Do me a video soloing 3 tanks in an ambush with a forge... Just that Its not hard. & thats not my point of the thread. 2 people with forges can kill 10 tanks if anything... they just have to play it smart. 1 tank can destroy 10 infantry guys never seen 2 forges destroy 10 tanks please... show some video evidence so I can shut up! I don't need to show you anything lol its either adapt or die... Amarr FW Supporter. "I will melt you with my scrambler rifle Minmatar filth!"
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 788	Posted - 2014.03.03 01:55:00 - [76] - Quote Another tank driver with math deficiencies sigh Haven't we been through this argument enough times yet? Your thesis statement is: tanks are not OP is because they can be killed by 2-6 people working in perfect tandem using FGs and Av grenades. So let us take the midpoint and say 4 people to kill 1 tanks. SO with 1 tank on the field that leave 4 guys on the tank and 15 v 12 on the ground, 2 tanks and now we have 8 guys fighting tanks and leaving 14 v 8, 3 tanks = 13 v 4, 4 tanks and 12 v 0.... and boy does it get scary from there. Your reasoning for tanks being balanced does no hold up to any sort of logic when you admit that tanks take multiple people to destroy. Tanks are not balanced by any means, not price wise, not power wise vs infantry AV. This is a fact, you tankers are a little better off arguing that tanks are imbalanced but they should be unbalanced, but even there you typically fail. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 930	Posted - 2014.03.03 02:03:00 - [77] - Quote Cool logic, love it. If it takes a full squad to take out a militia tank - that's according to OP. The question is .... wait for it... How many squads does it take to take out a squad of tanks? Go! But yea def, tanks are not OP if you can deploy twice as many players on your team than what the red team has. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
Defy Gravity Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 221	Posted - 2014.03.03 02:04:00 - [78] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Another tank driver with math deficiencies sigh Haven't we been through this argument enough times yet? Your thesis statement is: tanks are not OP is because they can be killed by 2-6 people working in perfect tandem using FGs and Av grenades. So let us take the midpoint and say 4 people to kill 1 tanks. SO with 1 tank on the field that leave 4 guys on the tank and 15 v 12 on the ground, 2 tanks and now we have 8 guys fighting tanks and leaving 14 v 8, 3 tanks = 13 v 4, 4 tanks and 12 v 0.... and boy does it get scary from there. Your reasoning for tanks being balanced does no hold up to any sort of logic when you admit that tanks take multiple people to destroy. Tanks are not balanced by any means, not price wise, not power wise vs infantry AV. This is a fact, you tankers are a little better off arguing that tanks are imbalanced but they should be unbalanced, but even there you typically fail. I didn't say "Perfect Tandem" & I said many other combinations can be used aswell it was just an example. Grab a friend and kill a tank god damn it complaining dosn't help you big crybaby lol Amarr FW Supporter. "I will melt you with my scrambler rifle Minmatar filth!"
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 930	Posted - 2014.03.03 02:05:00 - [79] - Quote Defy Gravity wrote: Necandi Brasil wrote: 1 tank can destroy 10 infantry guys never seen 2 forges destroy 10 tanks please... show some video evidence so I can shut up! I don't need to show you anything lol its either adapt or die... You are an effing clown, sir. Nuff said. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
Defy Gravity Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 221	Posted - 2014.03.03 02:06:00 - [80] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: Cool logic, love it. If it takes a full squad to take out a militia tank - that's according to OP. The question is .... wait for it... How many squads does it take to take out a squad of tanks? Go! But yea def, tanks are not OP if you can deploy twice as many players on your team than what the red team has. Believe it or not its not hard to take out a squad of tanks if you work with your squad. Amarr FW Supporter. "I will melt you with my scrambler rifle Minmatar filth!"

Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 725	Posted - 2014.03.03 02:06:00 - [81] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Mil tanks should only take one SL to destroy. Swarm Launchers are assistant tools, not mainline AV... Then they need to be removed from the Main weapon slot, because no competitive player is going to use an Assist Av weapon in the main that's useless against Infantry.
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 979	Posted - 2014.03.03 02:09:00 - [82] - Quote Speed needs a slow down, other than that I believe tanks are fine. I can't count how many tanks if destroyed with my buddy when we both used AV fits and minor teamwork. Join the Channel - CPM1 Candidates - Get to know who's running. Delt for CPM1
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2282	Posted - 2014.03.03 02:17:00 - [83] - Quote Defy Gravity wrote: Ever since the tank update came out people cry about how OP they are which they are not. If you get one other person to work with you you can kill any tank. It takes TEAMWORK to destroy tanks. If you can get 1 other person or even your whole squad to work together you will pose a serious threat to any tanker. ( Ex. 2 Forge, 4 AV Grenade Users ) Or any combination of team work. Even if the tank has hardeners on you can still kill it... its not invincible. Or even if you have a tanker working with you teamwork is the second best way to kill tanks. ( Other than people who use the Gunnlogi, Sica, Dual dmg modifier fit on a rail gun pew pew :( ) Aight if it requires teamwork to kill a tank then it should aswell require it to drive it. I say tankers should be forced to fit all turret slots again. And you obviously dont get it do you? If you need more then 1 player to take out a other player then there is a serious imbalance. I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1807	Posted - 2014.03.03 02:18:00 - [84] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Biggest reason tanks are OP? Is the engine torque buff they recived. After taking any serious damage tanks are able to get to max speed far to quickly and are usualy out of AV range in seconds, especialy if fit with a flue injector which has a insainely short cooldown. lolno. the fact that hardeners became broken did it. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 640	Posted - 2014.03.03 02:22:00 - [85] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Mil tanks should only take one SL to destroy. Swarm Launchers are assistant tools, not mainline AV... Then they need to be removed from the Main weapon slot, because no competitive player is going to use an Assist Av weapon in the main that's useless against Infantry. Ranged AV is like that to give you a choice. If you don't like it, then go Melee AV. If ranged AV was a secondary, just imagine that everyone would carry one.. Then imagine how they'd have to upgrade tanks to endure everyone and their dog being AV... If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming
Defy Gravity Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 221	Posted - 2014.03.03 02:23:00 - [86] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Defy Gravity wrote: Ever since the tank update came out people cry about how OP they are which they are not. If you get one other person to work with you you can kill any tank. It takes TEAMWORK to destroy tanks. If you can get 1 other person or even your whole squad to work together you will pose a serious threat to any tanker. ( Ex. 2 Forge, 4 AV Grenade Users ) Or any combination of team work. Even if the tank has hardeners on you can still kill it... its not invincible. Or even if you have a tanker working with you teamwork is the second best way to kill tanks. ( Other than people who use the Gunnlogi, Sica, Dual dmg modifier fit on a rail gun pew pew :( ) Aight if it requires teamwork to kill a tank then it should aswell require it to drive it. I say tankers should be forced to fit all turret slots again. And you obviously dont get it do you? If you need more then 1 player to take out a other player then there is a serious imbalance. it would also make it so blue berrys aren't running for an hour to get to the damn objective. Amarr FW Supporter. "I will melt you with my scrambler rifle Minmatar filth!"
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 640	Posted - 2014.03.03 02:24:00 - [87] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Aight if it requires teamwork to kill a tank then it should aswell require it to drive it. I say tankers should be forced to fit all turret slots again. And you obviously dont get it do you? If you need more then 1 player to take out a other player then there is a serious imbalance. You want to UPGRADE tanks so they take teamwork to drive? Your funeral. If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming
Rodd of Nor Nor Clan Combat Logistics 32	Posted - 2014.03.03 17:16:00 - [88] - Quote Okay so all the other arguments aside I personally only have one real issue with tanks... ISK A militia tank costs what? 60k I think (a little bit more then that but close enough) and it when in the hands of even a semi skilled player can do hundreds of thousands or even millions of ISK worth of damage with minimal risk. ISK is what counts to me if I have a 60,000 ISK suit that is designed to kill tanks and I com across a 60,00 ISK tank it should be a fair fight and to me that is the bottom line People say "Oh its a tank and IRL you wouldn't fight a tank 1 on 1" true but IRL tanks cost multi-million dollar pieces of equipment so by your reasoning shouldn't they cost that much in game? It is better to be thought an idiot, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Rinzler XVIII Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 163	Posted - 2014.03.03 23:09:00 - [89] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: counter argument: if it takes teamwork to kill a tank, why doesnt it take teamwork to use a tank effectively? Because .. Tank Just thought i'd use the tankers argument before they use it I agree though .. large turrets should be AV eg railgun + missiles so why isn't the gallente version a large plasma cannon ? To get anti infantry capabilities Tanks should have to fit small turrets and have gunners Blaster Tanks are just high HP damage and speed Assault suits
Supernus Gigas Star Giants 347	Posted - 2014.03.03 23:34:00 - [90] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: Defy Gravity wrote: Ever since the tank update came out people cry about how OP they are which they are not. If you get one other person to work with you you can kill any tank. It takes TEAMWORK to destroy tanks. If you can get 1 other person or even your whole squad to work together you will pose a serious threat to any tanker. ( Ex. 2 Forge, 4 AV Grenade Users ) Or any combination of team work. Even if the tank has hardeners on you can still kill it... its not invincible. Or even if you have a tanker working with you teamwork is the second best way to kill tanks. ( Other than people who use the Gunnlogi, Sica, Dual dmg modifier fit on a rail gun pew pew :( ) Tanks are op because there bigger better stronger faster they have no weakness unlike most other things in this game. And everybody already know the tanks are op no reason in trying to cover it up. Delusional thoughts from fantasy island. No weaknesses? Then please tell me how I am able to ONE-SHOT pretty much any HAV with my Wiyrkomi Breach Forge Gun? That's right I can SOLO HAVs. The only drawback is that I need to ACTUALLY AIM for the rear weakspot. If I was coordinating with just one other Forger I can only imagine the devastation we could accomplish, but I only run Solo so whatever. *FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVIN' CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!*

Scout Registry Nos Nothi 1375	Posted - 2014.03.03 23:40:00 - [91] - Quote lol
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 319	Posted - 2014.03.03 23:46:00 - [92] - Quote Guys it's a troll thread. Lol at everyone taking this thread seriously. If team work is required to kill tanks, team work should be required for tanks to kill infantry, and teamwork for infantry to kill avers. Tanks are not balanced.
Hecarim Van Hohen ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 511	Posted - 2014.03.03 23:47:00 - [93] - Quote Supernus Gigas wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: Defy Gravity wrote: Ever since the tank update came out people cry about how OP they are which they are not. If you get one other person to work with you you can kill any tank. It takes TEAMWORK to destroy tanks. If you can get 1 other person or even your whole squad to work together you will pose a serious threat to any tanker. ( Ex. 2 Forge, 4 AV Grenade Users ) Or any combination of team work. Even if the tank has hardeners on you can still kill it... its not invincible. Or even if you have a tanker working with you teamwork is the second best way to kill tanks. ( Other than people who use the Gunnlogi, Sica, Dual dmg modifier fit on a rail gun pew pew :( ) Tanks are op because there bigger better stronger faster they have no weakness unlike most other things in this game. And everybody already know the tanks are op no reason in trying to cover it up. Delusional thoughts from fantasy island. No weaknesses? Then please tell me how I am able to ONE-SHOT pretty much any HAV with my Wiyrkomi Breach Forge Gun? That's right I can SOLO HAVs. The only drawback is that I need to ACTUALLY AIM for the rear weakspot. If I was coordinating with just one other Forger I can only imagine the devastation we could accomplish, but I only run Solo so whatever. Tanks are not op, just use proto gear BANGO SKANK WAS HERE 1.7 best match (HMG): 40/9/9 (K/A/D)
Supernus Gigas Star Giants 347	Posted - 2014.03.03 23:50:00 - [94] - Quote Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: Supernus Gigas wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: Defy Gravity wrote: Ever since the tank update came out people cry about how OP they are which they are not. If you get one other person to work with you you can kill any tank. It takes TEAMWORK to destroy tanks. If you can get 1 other person or even your whole squad to work together you will pose a serious threat to any tanker. ( Ex. 2 Forge, 4 AV Grenade Users ) Or any combination of team work. Even if the tank has hardeners on you can still kill it... its not invincible. Or even if you have a tanker working with you teamwork is the second best way to kill tanks. ( Other than people who use the Gunnlogi, Sica, Dual dmg modifier fit on a rail gun pew pew :( ) Tanks are op because there bigger better stronger faster they have no weakness unlike most other things in this game. And everybody already know the tanks are op no reason in trying to cover it up. Delusional thoughts from fantasy island. No weaknesses? Then please tell me how I am able to ONE-SHOT pretty much any HAV with my Wiyrkomi Breach Forge Gun? That's right I can SOLO HAVs. The only drawback is that I need to ACTUALLY AIM for the rear weakspot. If I was coordinating with just one other Forger I can only imagine the devastation we could accomplish, but I only run Solo so whatever. Tanks are not op, just use proto gear Yes. I don't see why the ability to literally destroy an HAV in one shot shouldn't be reserved for a Prototype level weapon. I'm not sure if the ADV Breach can do it, but it might, I'd have to try it out. *FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVIN' CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!*
Onesimus Tarsus TRUE TEA BAGGERS EoN. 1304	Posted - 2014.03.03 23:55:00 - [95] - Quote I wish tankers would just admit how afraid they are to face infantry on an equal footing and let it go at that. Start an alt, use no SP, grab a starter fit and join me in "no SP warriors" chat!
Hecarim Van Hohen ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 511	Posted - 2014.03.03 23:58:00 - [96] - Quote Supernus Gigas wrote: Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: Supernus Gigas wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: Defy Gravity wrote: Ever since the tank update came out people cry about how OP they are which they are not. If you get one other person to work with you you can kill any tank. It takes TEAMWORK to destroy tanks. If you can get 1 other person or even your whole squad to work together you will pose a serious threat to any tanker. ( Ex. 2 Forge, 4 AV Grenade Users ) Or any combination of team work. Even if the tank has hardeners on you can still kill it... its not invincible. Or even if you have a tanker working with you teamwork is the second best way to kill tanks. ( Other than people who use the Gunnlogi, Sica, Dual dmg modifier fit on a rail gun pew pew :( ) Tanks are op because there bigger better stronger faster they have no weakness unlike most other things in this game. And everybody already know the tanks are op no reason in trying to cover it up. Delusional thoughts from fantasy island. No weaknesses? Then please tell me how I am able to ONE-SHOT pretty much any HAV with my Wiyrkomi Breach Forge Gun? That's right I can SOLO HAVs. The only drawback is that I need to ACTUALLY AIM for the rear weakspot. If I was coordinating with just one other Forger I can only imagine the devastation we could accomplish, but I only run Solo so whatever. Tanks are not op, just use proto gear Yes. I don't see why the ability to literally destroy an HAV in one shot shouldn't be reserved for a Prototype level weapon. I'm not sure if the ADV Breach can do it, but it might, I'd have to try it out. Please do and while you're at it, destroy both mlt tanks with the mlt forge and both of the std tanks with the std forge BANGO SKANK WAS HERE 1.7 best match (HMG): 40/9/9 (K/A/D)


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