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Defy Gravity Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 216	Posted - 2014.03.02 16:47:00 - [31] - Quote ALT2 acc wrote: Necandi Brasil wrote: Defy Gravity wrote: Necandi Brasil wrote: Your MLT costs less than my proto swarms fitting and you can - 1 hit kill me - Destroy me with machine gun fire - run over me - Redline Rail kill me If you consider this balance, then I shall consider you stupid! Tanks actually should be able to do everything you listed other than the reline thing. if you stand in front of an enemy tank and get yourself killed you sir are stupid and need to play something else Do me a video soloing 3 tanks in an ambush with a forge... Just that Forges need charge time buff Madrugar speed nerf by 3m/s or more, nerf nitros and blasters Gunlogi speed nerf by 1m/s Give assault dropships 200 more hp based on tanmaybe 10% resistance Speed nerf I can agree with its a bit ridiculos. & the dropship thing its different but yea they deserve more hp... Amarr FW Supporter. "I will melt you with my scrambler rifle Minmatar filth!"
Defy Gravity Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 216	Posted - 2014.03.02 16:48:00 - [32] - Quote ALT2 acc wrote: DEA Scott Richardson wrote: Defy Gravity wrote: Ever since the tank update came out people cry about how OP they are which they are not. If you get one other person to work with you you can kill any tank. It takes TEAMWORK to destroy tanks. If you can get 1 other person or even your whole squad to work together you will pose a serious threat to any tanker. ( Ex. 2 Forge, 4 AV Grenade Users ) Or any combination of team work. Even if the tank has hardeners on you can still kill it... its not invincible. Or even if you have a tanker working with you teamwork is the second best way to kill tanks. ( Other than people who use the Gunnlogi, Sica, Dual dmg modifier fit on a rail gun pew pew :( ) I agree if people cant use teamwork to kill a tank whats the point of this game. People stand in front of a tank and die & they start crying on the forums. lol Nobody does that but the forgers they instakill Stupid Forger's get instakilled. Amarr FW Supporter. "I will melt you with my scrambler rifle Minmatar filth!"
ALT2 acc 194	Posted - 2014.03.02 16:59:00 - [33] - Quote Defy Gravity wrote: ALT2 acc wrote: Necandi Brasil wrote: Defy Gravity wrote: Necandi Brasil wrote: Your MLT costs less than my proto swarms fitting and you can - 1 hit kill me - Destroy me with machine gun fire - run over me - Redline Rail kill me If you consider this balance, then I shall consider you stupid! Tanks actually should be able to do everything you listed other than the reline thing. if you stand in front of an enemy tank and get yourself killed you sir are stupid and need to play something else Do me a video soloing 3 tanks in an ambush with a forge... Just that Forges need charge time buff Madrugar speed nerf by 3m/s or more, nerf nitros and blasters Gunlogi speed nerf by 1m/s Give assault dropships 200 more hp based on tanmaybe 10% resistance Speed nerf I can agree with its a bit ridiculos. & the dropship thing its different but yea they deserve more hp... Python needs more shields because lol its 3 shotted Atm idgaf about lore, balance wise maddies need to be slower than gunnies Dropship resistance for better forges Hater attractor proficiency 5, hater attractor optimization 5.
ALT2 acc 194	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:00:00 - [34] - Quote Defy Gravity wrote: ALT2 acc wrote: DEA Scott Richardson wrote: Defy Gravity wrote: Ever since the tank update came out people cry about how OP they are which they are not. If you get one other person to work with you you can kill any tank. It takes TEAMWORK to destroy tanks. If you can get 1 other person or even your whole squad to work together you will pose a serious threat to any tanker. ( Ex. 2 Forge, 4 AV Grenade Users ) Or any combination of team work. Even if the tank has hardeners on you can still kill it... its not invincible. Or even if you have a tanker working with you teamwork is the second best way to kill tanks. ( Other than people who use the Gunnlogi, Sica, Dual dmg modifier fit on a rail gun pew pew :( ) I agree if people cant use teamwork to kill a tank whats the point of this game. People stand in front of a tank and die & they start crying on the forums. lol Nobody does that but the forgers they instakill Stupid Forger's get instakilled. I shoot a tank alone because atupid bluedots, hits hardener, comes back, dies. If on roof, tanks all my damage because dual reps are overpowered Hater attractor proficiency 5, hater attractor optimization 5.
Necandi Brasil DUST BRASIL S.A Proficiency V. 768	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:04:00 - [35] - Quote Defy Gravity wrote: Necandi Brasil wrote: Defy Gravity wrote: Necandi Brasil wrote: Your MLT costs less than my proto swarms fitting and you can - 1 hit kill me - Destroy me with machine gun fire - run over me - Redline Rail kill me If you consider this balance, then I shall consider you stupid! Tanks actually should be able to do everything you listed other than the reline thing. if you stand in front of an enemy tank and get yourself killed you sir are stupid and need to play something else Do me a video soloing 3 tanks in an ambush with a forge... Just that Its not hard. & thats not my point of the thread. 2 people with forges can kill 10 tanks if anything... they just have to play it smart. BALACSES ??? MY PRECIOUS HAS BALACSES ???
Sgt Buttscratch KILL-EM-QUICK 1894	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:04:00 - [36] - Quote Defy Gravity wrote: Sgt Buttscratch wrote: Defy Gravity wrote: Ever since the tank update came out people cry about how OP they are which they are not. If you get one other person to work with you you can kill any tank. It takes TEAMWORK to destroy tanks. If you can get 1 other person or even your whole squad to work together you will pose a serious threat to any tanker. ( Ex. 2 Forge, 4 AV Grenade Users ) Or any combination of team work. Even if the tank has hardeners on you can still kill it... its not invincible. Or even if you have a tanker working with you teamwork is the second best way to kill tanks. ( Other than people who use the Gunnlogi, Sica, Dual dmg modifier fit on a rail gun pew pew :( ) Which is therefore not balanced. 1 tank + 1 driver,maybe 100k investment 2 forge 4 av = 300-500k ISK So it takes x2-x6 more people to do and alot more isk. Explain? Your speaking ISK wise im talking about killing the tank not how much you need to "Invest" I'm talking BOTH, amount of players required and amount of isk required, furthermore what about the amount of SP required. considering I can go on a tank slaughter right out of academy, AVv nades require SP or AUR I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
ALT2 acc 194	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:05:00 - [37] - Quote Sgt Buttscratch wrote: Defy Gravity wrote: Sgt Buttscratch wrote: Defy Gravity wrote: Ever since the tank update came out people cry about how OP they are which they are not. If you get one other person to work with you you can kill any tank. It takes TEAMWORK to destroy tanks. If you can get 1 other person or even your whole squad to work together you will pose a serious threat to any tanker. ( Ex. 2 Forge, 4 AV Grenade Users ) Or any combination of team work. Even if the tank has hardeners on you can still kill it... its not invincible. Or even if you have a tanker working with you teamwork is the second best way to kill tanks. ( Other than people who use the Gunnlogi, Sica, Dual dmg modifier fit on a rail gun pew pew :( ) Which is therefore not balanced. 1 tank + 1 driver,maybe 100k investment 2 forge 4 av = 300-500k ISK So it takes x2-x6 more people to do and alot more isk. Explain? Your speaking ISK wise im talking about killing the tank not how much you need to "Invest" I'm talking BOTH, amount of players required and amount of isk required, furthermore what about the amount of SP required. considering I can go on a tank slaughter right out of academy, AVv nades require SP or AUR My nerfs would do just fine Hater attractor proficiency 5, hater attractor optimization 5.
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 3851	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:06:00 - [38] - Quote counter argument: if it takes teamwork to kill a tank, why doesnt it take teamwork to use a tank effectively? Scout- "I'm going to knife you my commando!!!" commando turns around Commando- "FAAAAALCCCOOONNNNN PUUUUNNNCCCCHH!!"
ALT2 acc 194	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:08:00 - [39] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: counter argument: if it takes teamwork to kill a tank, why doesnt it take teamwork to use a tank effectively? Dropships, are they different? Hater attractor proficiency 5, hater attractor optimization 5.
Hecarim Van Hohen ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 495	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:12:00 - [40] - Quote ALT2 acc wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: counter argument: if it takes teamwork to kill a tank, why doesnt it take teamwork to use a tank effectively? Dropships, are they different? Dropships are easily killed by a single guy with an FG BANGO SKANK WAS HERE 1.7 best match (HMG): 40/9/9 (K/A/D)

Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1393	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:16:00 - [41] - Quote Mil tanks should only take one SL to destroy. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 3852	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:18:00 - [42] - Quote Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: ALT2 acc wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: counter argument: if it takes teamwork to kill a tank, why doesnt it take teamwork to use a tank effectively? Dropships, are they different? Dropships are easily killed by a single guy with an FG ^ this a droship can be used effectively by 1 person, and eliminated with relative ease by 1 person. a tank can be used effectively by 1 person, and eliminated by 4(-ish) people with relative ease Scout- "I'm going to knife you my commando!!!" commando turns around Commando- "FAAAAALCCCOOONNNNN PUUUUNNNCCCCHH!!"
ALT2 acc 196	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:31:00 - [43] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: ALT2 acc wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: counter argument: if it takes teamwork to kill a tank, why doesnt it take teamwork to use a tank effectively? Dropships, are they different? Dropships are easily killed by a single guy with an FG ^ this a droship can be used effectively by 1 person, and eliminated with relative ease by 1 person. a tank can be used effectively by 1 person, and eliminated by 4(-ish) people with relative ease They are a bit too thin thouh A bit of thingking, a missile turret isnt as good at all as a large blaster Tiny dropship buff though Mainly python And a incubus rep rate buff Hater attractor proficiency 5, hater attractor optimization 5.
ALT2 acc 196	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:34:00 - [44] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: ALT2 acc wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: counter argument: if it takes teamwork to kill a tank, why doesnt it take teamwork to use a tank effectively? Dropships, are they different? Dropships are easily killed by a single guy with an FG ^ this a droship can be used effectively by 1 person, and eliminated with relative ease by 1 person. a tank can be used effectively by 1 person, and eliminated by 4(-ish) people with relative ease They are a bit too thin thouh A bit of thingking, a missile turret isnt as good at all as a large blaster Tiny dropship buff though Mainly python And a incubus rep rate buff Hater attractor proficiency 5, hater attractor optimization 5.
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 3855	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:39:00 - [45] - Quote i agree, droships do need a slight buff (and a price nerf for the ADS....well at least until they dont become fancy paperweights....) Scout- "I'm going to knife you my commando!!!" commando turns around Commando- "FAAAAALCCCOOONNNNN PUUUUNNNCCCCHH!!"
ALT2 acc 197	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:41:00 - [46] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: i agree, droships do need a slight buff (and a price nerf for the ADS....well at least until they dont become fancy paperweights....) A peice of 200k or 150k for the hull would be perfect Make the incubus rate around the rate of the madrugar, all light armor vehicles dont rep as fast compared to light shueld vehicles. 200 shield for python buff, same for incubus only armor Hater attractor proficiency 5, hater attractor optimization 5.
ALT2 acc 197	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:57:00 - [47] - Quote ALT2 acc wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: i agree, droships do need a slight buff (and a price nerf for the ADS....well at least until they dont become fancy paperweights....) A price of 200k or 150k for the hull would be perfect Make the incubus rep around the rate of the madrugar, all light armor vehicles dont rep as fast compared to light shield vehicles. 200 shield for python buff, same for incubus only armor Typos galore. Hater attractor proficiency 5, hater attractor optimization 5.
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 136	Posted - 2014.03.02 18:06:00 - [48] - Quote Defy Gravity wrote: Ever since the tank update came out people cry about how OP they are which they are not. If you get one other person to work with you you can kill any tank. It takes TEAMWORK to destroy tanks. If you can get 1 other person or even your whole squad to work together you will pose a serious threat to any tanker. ( Ex. 2 Forge, 4 AV Grenade Users ) Or any combination of team work. Even if the tank has hardeners on you can still kill it... its not invincible. Or even if you have a tanker working with you teamwork is the second best way to kill tanks. ( Other than people who use the Gunnlogi, Sica, Dual dmg modifier fit on a rail gun pew pew :( ) Tanks are op because there bigger better stronger faster they have no weakness unlike most other things in this game. And everybody already know the tanks are op no reason in trying to cover it up. Caldari Loyalist
Atiim 5166	Posted - 2014.03.02 18:15:00 - [49] - Quote Defy Gravity wrote: ALT2 acc wrote: Samuel Zelik wrote: The right conclusion (to an extent), but the wrong reason. Blasters, dual reps, dual harda are op There not invincible though. Infantry are infantry & Tanks are Tanks.... superior to infantry obviously. Tanks are "Tanks", against Anti-Vehicle weaponry. AV > Vehicles > Infantry Please present something that's not anecdotal as to how HAVs are not overpowered please. Atiim (Gunnlogi - 80GJ Particle Cannon) Tank Scrub [s]Text[/s] <---------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 136	Posted - 2014.03.02 18:21:00 - [50] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: i agree, droships do need a slight buff (and a price nerf for the ADS....well at least until they dont become fancy paperweights....) Dropships are fine they require skill we don't need fluting tanks now do we? But prices do need a decrease. Caldari Loyalist

Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1892	Posted - 2014.03.02 18:38:00 - [51] - Quote Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: Defy Gravity wrote: Ever since the tank update came out people cry about how OP they are which they are not. If you get one other person to work with you you can kill any tank. It takes TEAMWORK to destroy tanks. If you can get 1 other person or even your whole squad to work together you will pose a serious threat to any tanker. ( Ex. 2 Forge, 4 AV Grenade Users ) Or any combination of team work. Even if the tank has hardeners on you can still kill it... its not invincible. Or even if you have a tanker working with you teamwork is the second best way to kill tanks. ( Other than people who use the Gunnlogi, Sica, Dual dmg modifier fit on a rail gun pew pew :( ) Now tell me how driving a tank takes teamwork ((This might turn out to be a fun thread)) Have you tried driving a tank? Have you tried escaping from a rail tank? Two blaster tanks? A suicide LAV? A LAV with 3 forge gunners in it? A missile tank if you're using armor? An orb? I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Atiim 5167	Posted - 2014.03.02 18:41:00 - [52] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Have you tried driving a tank? Have you tried escaping from a rail tank? Two blaster tanks? A suicide LAV? A LAV with 3 forge gunners in it? A missile tank if you're using armor? An orb? 1. Yes 2. Yes 3. Yes 4. Yes 5. Yes 6. Yes 7. Yes All without teamwork. Atiim (Gunnlogi - 80GJ Particle Cannon) Tank Scrub [s]Text[/s] <---------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1892	Posted - 2014.03.02 18:48:00 - [53] - Quote Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Have you tried driving a tank? Have you tried escaping from a rail tank? Two blaster tanks? A suicide LAV? A LAV with 3 forge gunners in it? A missile tank if you're using armor? An orb? 1. Yes 2. Yes 3. Yes 4. Yes 5. Yes 6. Yes 7. Yes All without teamwork. I wasn't asking you. Go back to your cave. If you did all that, you'd be considered a tanker, and your opinion about vehicles would actually carry weight. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Atiim 5168	Posted - 2014.03.02 18:50:00 - [54] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Have you tried driving a tank? Have you tried escaping from a rail tank? Two blaster tanks? A suicide LAV? A LAV with 3 forge gunners in it? A missile tank if you're using armor? An orb? 1. Yes 2. Yes 3. Yes 4. Yes 5. Yes 6. Yes 7. Yes All without teamwork. I wasn't asking you. Go back to your cave. If you did all that, you'd be considered a tanker, and your opinion about vehicles would actually carry weight. So you admit that I am a tanker, and that my opinion about vehicles actually carries weight? :D Atiim (Gunnlogi - 80GJ Particle Cannon) Tank Scrub [s]Text[/s] <---------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 3861	Posted - 2014.03.02 18:52:00 - [55] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: i agree, droships do need a slight buff (and a price nerf for the ADS....well at least until they dont become fancy paperweights....) Dropships are fine they require skill we don't need fluting tanks now do we? But prices do need a decrease. agreed, i didnt specify what kind of buff, and i think the difficulty of flying a DS will trun many newberries away. Scout- "I'm going to knife you my commando!!!" commando turns around Commando- "FAAAAALCCCOOONNNNN PUUUUNNNCCCCHH!!"
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1892	Posted - 2014.03.02 18:55:00 - [56] - Quote Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Have you tried driving a tank? Have you tried escaping from a rail tank? Two blaster tanks? A suicide LAV? A LAV with 3 forge gunners in it? A missile tank if you're using armor? An orb? 1. Yes 2. Yes 3. Yes 4. Yes 5. Yes 6. Yes 7. Yes All without teamwork. I wasn't asking you. Go back to your cave. If you did all that, you'd be considered a tanker, and your opinion about vehicles would actually carry weight. So you admit that I am a tanker, and that my opinion about vehicles actually carries weight? :D You probably did poorly in English class. How could you possibly come to that conclusion from what I said? I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Atiim 5168	Posted - 2014.03.02 18:57:00 - [57] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Have you tried driving a tank? Have you tried escaping from a rail tank? Two blaster tanks? A suicide LAV? A LAV with 3 forge gunners in it? A missile tank if you're using armor? An orb? 1. Yes 2. Yes 3. Yes 4. Yes 5. Yes 6. Yes 7. Yes All without teamwork. I wasn't asking you. Go back to your cave. If you did all that, you'd be considered a tanker, and your opinion about vehicles would actually carry weight. So you admit that I am a tanker, and that my opinion about vehicles actually carries weight? :D You probably did poorly in English class. How could you possibly come to that conclusion from what I said? Because I did do all of that and according to you; if I did all of that stuff I'd be considered a tanker who's opinion actually carries weight. Atiim (Gunnlogi - 80GJ Particle Cannon) Tank Scrub [s]Text[/s] <---------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
SUPERTOASTER 789 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 17	Posted - 2014.03.02 19:02:00 - [58] - Quote All ccp needs is to slow them down to a speed where there not going almost as fast as an lav. these is the real problem here with tanks moving at there current speed it just a bit to fast there easily able to avoid av nads as long as there not sleeks. and unless your using pro it takes well over 3 to kill a good tanker not to mention that as soon as they get hit there gone in a flash. back in to the redline where not one can hurt them. just in short, just slow them down and we can start from there. TOAST for all
Xyl5 Raging Pack of Homosapiens 20	Posted - 2014.03.02 19:04:00 - [59] - Quote I'd like to see CCP make vehicles in FPS mode only. Seeing how many people will suck driving them would be hilarious.
SUPERTOASTER 789 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 17	Posted - 2014.03.02 19:05:00 - [60] - Quote SUPERTOASTER 789 wrote: All ccp needs is to slow them down to a speed where there not going almost as fast as an lav. these is the real problem here with tanks moving at there current speed it just a bit to fast there easily able to avoid av nads as long as there not sleeks. and unless your using pro it takes well over 3 to kill a good tanker not to mention that as soon as they get hit there gone in a flash. back in to the redline where not one can hurt them. just in short, just slow them down and we can start from there. And as team work should play a part there still should be no reason for more then 1 forge and a few av throwers/swarmers to be able to fight a tank. TOAST for all



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