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Knight Solitaire
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Posted - 2014.03.01 15:16:00 -
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Give the Flux Nade the ability to temporarily disable Repair Tools (Not modules)
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NewOldMan
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Posted - 2014.03.01 15:21:00 -
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If so, make the flux nade disable your guns. |
Knight Solitaire
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Posted - 2014.03.01 15:25:00 -
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NewOldMan wrote:If so, make the flux nade disable your guns.
Why?
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NewOldMan
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Posted - 2014.03.01 15:28:00 -
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Knight Solitaire wrote:NewOldMan wrote:If so, make the flux nade disable your guns. Why?
Why disable a repair tool? Just due to the fact that it's an equipment? Repair tools are powered from your suit. The same way your guns are. |
Knight Solitaire
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Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.03.01 15:32:00 -
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NewOldMan wrote:Knight Solitaire wrote:NewOldMan wrote:If so, make the flux nade disable your guns. Why? Why disable a repair tool? Just due to the fact that it's an equipment? Repair tools are powered from your suit. The same way your guns are.
What other counter is there to the Rep Tool + Heavy combo? Other than zerging them? You can say "Shoot at the Logi!", but the Heavy will probably have you dead by then and even if you do manage to kill the +700HP Logi you still have the +1.2k HP Heavy to deal with.
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Echo 1991
WarRavens
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Posted - 2014.03.01 15:36:00 -
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Dont engage them head on... |
NewOldMan
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Posted - 2014.03.01 15:37:00 -
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Knight Solitaire wrote:
What other counter is there to the Rep Tool + Heavy combo? Other than zerging them? You can say "Shoot at the Logi!", but the Heavy will probably have you dead by then and even if you do manage to kill the +700HP Logi you still have the +1.2k HP Heavy to deal with.
Snipe the logi? Nade the logi? Shoot the logi?
You have one more guy wielding a gun than the other team. He can kill the logi. Also what makes you think that you can solo a tag team duo? Also the dps from any light weapon far outweighs what the logi can repair. |
Knight Solitaire
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Posted - 2014.03.01 15:38:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:Dont engage them head on...
Because it really takes that long to turn around. If you do get them from behind, and are lucky enough to kill the Logi, the Heavy is probably already facing you, hitting you with his HMG, and then you have to retreat rethink your route, and the- Oh forget about it, by that time the Logi has already spawned back in.
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Knight Solitaire
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Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.03.01 15:41:00 -
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NewOldMan wrote:
Snipe the logi? Nade the logi? Shoot the logi?
You have one more guy wielding a gun than the other team. He can kill the logi. Also what makes you think that you can solo a tag team duo? Also the dps from any light weapon far outweighs what the logi can repair.
But again why turn off the repair tool? Which is powered by your suit. And not guns, which are powered by your suit.
Sniping is out of the question because this combo is usually used for point defend (CQC good luck getting 2-3 hits on that Logi with all that cover around and the buggy mess that is the Sniper Rifle)
Even if you do snipe the Logi, congratz, but you still have that Heavy to deal with, who has just taken cover, and is waiting 3-10s for that Logi to spawn back in with full health and ammo.
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Beck Weathers
Ghosts of Dawn
General Tso's Alliance
566
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Posted - 2014.03.01 15:43:00 -
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Knight Solitaire wrote:NewOldMan wrote:Knight Solitaire wrote:NewOldMan wrote:If so, make the flux nade disable your guns. Why? Why disable a repair tool? Just due to the fact that it's an equipment? Repair tools are powered from your suit. The same way your guns are. What other counter is there to the Rep Tool + Heavy combo? Other than zerging them? You can say "Shoot at the Logi!", but the Heavy will probably have you dead by then and even if you do manage to kill the +700HP Logi you still have the +1.2k HP Heavy to deal with.
Psst! over hear! *whispers* remote explosives
These forums must be located in the Californin country side, there is whine as far as the eye can see.
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Knight Solitaire
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Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.03.01 15:45:00 -
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Beck Weathers wrote:
Psst! over hear! *whispers* remote explosives
Psst! Heavies can survive REs, and guess what? Its only going to get worse in 1.8!
Hurray!
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NewOldMan
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Posted - 2014.03.01 15:45:00 -
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That answers the sniping part, but nades? Having another teammate?
From what you are saying all you are trying to do is solo them and trying to get a mechanic that helps you win solo.
TL:DR Teamwork is OP I NEED HELP CCP |
Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
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Posted - 2014.03.01 15:47:00 -
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Flank and Bank.
I GÖú Kittens.
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Knight Solitaire
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.03.01 15:48:00 -
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NewOldMan wrote:That answers the sniping part, but nades? Having another teammate?
From what you are saying all you are trying to do is solo them and trying to get a mechanic that helps you win solo.
TL:DR Teamwork is OP I NEED HELP CCP
Did I ever say I wanted to take them solo?
*Looks back over posts*
Oh no, I didn't! Do you even have Reading Comprehension Level 5? And Nades? You do know a Logi can tank enough to survive a Nade, and not to mention if hes camping rep hives.
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NewOldMan
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Posted - 2014.03.01 15:56:00 -
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You didn't actually come out and say solo. But all of your posts references that you lack a teammate.
You don't zerg. Never even acknowledged it when I pointed out that another any other light weapon beats out the repair tool's repair rate. (extra teammate)
Or the fact that I said teamwork is OP? Do you have a second teammate helping you? Are you stupidly engaging in the HMG's kill range when you have a longer range weapon? Last I checked 2 is still greater than 1. Logis are people too.
All you did was come on here said " I should get a grenade that helps me win." |
ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1152
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Posted - 2014.03.01 16:03:00 -
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Knight Solitaire wrote:NewOldMan wrote:That answers the sniping part, but nades? Having another teammate?
From what you are saying all you are trying to do is solo them and trying to get a mechanic that helps you win solo.
TL:DR Teamwork is OP I NEED HELP CCP Did I ever say I wanted to take them solo? *Looks back over posts* Oh no, I didn't! Do you even have Reading Comprehension Level 5? And Nades? You do know a Logi can tank enough to survive a Nade, and not to mention if hes camping rep hives.
Your dismissal of the advice given leads the reader to assume you want to solo a tag team, I find it strange that you cannot make that connection based on the conversation above.
Your question appears to be: How do you beat 2 players working together in CQC, utilizing the synergy of a high tank heavy fit being repaired from behind by a 175hp/s rep tool, held by a player in a medium tank logi fit.
The answers so far have been:
- Kill the logi first, using sniper, grenade, or any other means available, including flanking. (preferred method)
- DPS the heavy down using a medium weapon, and/or grenades, in an attempt to out dps the repair tool. (difficult, but doable)
- Remote Explosives (and yes they can take down some heavies, since remotes do 1500 damage... proto tanked heavies will be left with a sliver of health after eating a remote) (difficult again, but doable)
- Zerg them (last resort tactic, but effective nonetheless.. bring a revive needle.. because someone will probably die)
This is called a debate, and just like how you apparently cant win an engagment playing solo against a logi/heavy combo, you will not win this debate because your argument is flawed. It is flawed because there are ways to counter this combo, its just not going to be "easy". This combo is specifically designed to be used in CQC.. it does not work well in medium or long range, at all.
So there you go... I was looking for instructions online for the game "rock, paper, scissor" but I couldn't find any.. sorry.
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NewOldMan
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Posted - 2014.03.01 16:08:00 -
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ER-Bullitt wrote:
Your dismissal of the advice given leads the reader to assume you want to solo a tag team, I find it strange that you cannot make that connection based on the conversation above.
Your question appears to be: How do you beat 2 players working together in CQC, utilizing the synergy of a high tank heavy fit being repaired from behind by a 175hp/s rep tool, held by a player in a medium tank logi fit.....
Who knew it'd be good old ER in with the logic smackdown. |
ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1152
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Posted - 2014.03.01 16:10:00 -
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NewOldMan wrote:
Who knew it'd be good old ER in with the logic smackdown.
I have my moments, lol. How you been newoldman? Hope all is well in KEQ land  |
Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core
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Posted - 2014.03.01 16:11:00 -
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or knock out tacnet(no chevrons) for the suit, so you cant tell who's on your team to rep
A strange game.
The only winning move is
not to play.
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NewOldMan
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Posted - 2014.03.01 16:15:00 -
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ER-Bullitt wrote:NewOldMan wrote:
Who knew it'd be good old ER in with the logic smackdown.
I have my moments, lol. How you been newoldman? Hope all is well in KEQ land
I'm doing really good, Just bought myself a new PC so I can play all the great games with even greater mods (skyrim, minecraft)
KEQ land is still the land of the free and brave and batman.
Also thanks for coming in and actually pointing out logic to Knight. |
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Beck Weathers
Ghosts of Dawn
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.01 16:16:00 -
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Knight Solitaire wrote:Beck Weathers wrote:
Psst! over hear! *whispers* remote explosives
Psst! Heavies can survive REs, and guess what? Its only going to get worse in 1.8! Hurray!
Psst your not using enough REs
These forums must be located in the Californin country side, there is whine as far as the eye can see.
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Knight Solitaire
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
420
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Posted - 2014.03.01 16:18:00 -
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NewOldMan wrote:You didn't actually come out and say solo. But all of your posts references that you lack a teammate.
You don't zerg. Never even acknowledged it when I pointed out that another any other light weapon beats out the repair tool's repair rate. (extra teammate)
Or the fact that I said teamwork is OP? Do you have a second teammate helping you? Are you stupidly engaging in the HMG's kill range when you have a longer range weapon? Last I checked 2 is still greater than 1. Logis are people too.
All you did was come on here said " I should get a grenade that helps me win."
And I never said I wanted to take them solo, just that there should be an easier way of dealing with them other than requireing a group of players.
Dealing with them doesn't nessacerily mean 'Killing' them it just means supressing them so you can do other things like deal with other enemies or destroy Uplinks / Rep Hives.
Flux Nades need more uses, this is one of them. Why should the Rep Tool be the only EQ immune to a Flux Nade?
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ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.01 16:19:00 -
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Equipment immune to flux grenades:
Rep Tool
Scanner
Revive Needle
C'mon bro. |
NewOldMan
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.03.01 16:20:00 -
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Knight Solitaire wrote:
Flux Nades need more uses, this is one of them. Why should the Rep Tool be the only EQ immune to a Flux Nade?
Because it's the only EQ powered by your suit. Just like your guns.
EDIT:
Needle, scanner
ER again with the save. |
Knight Solitaire
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.03.01 16:20:00 -
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ER-Bullitt wrote:Equipment immune to flux grenades:
Rep Tool
Scanner
Revive Needle
C'mon bro.
Scanner is getting a nerf, and the Revive Needle doesn't need a counter.
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Turtle Hermit Roshi
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Posted - 2014.03.01 16:21:00 -
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Knight Solitaire wrote:Give the Flux Nade the ability to temporarily disable Repair Tools (Not modules)
as a heavy who used to swear on locus but came back to a firecracker rather than gernade
promptly switched to fluxes and runs them constantly
i have always thought that fluxes should effect more than deployed eqp and sheilds
i miss the days i could get a kill with fluxes 
so im all behind it effecting rep tols but not neccesarily just cut it off
when you flux an active rep tool make it do like a "sputter" and stop for aprox >2 seconds
+1
Anything worth fighting for is worth fighting dirty for,
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NewOldMan
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Posted - 2014.03.01 16:25:00 -
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Knight Solitaire wrote:
Scanner is getting a nerf, and the Revive Needle doesn't need a counter.
The repair tool is also getting a nerf... |
Knight Solitaire
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Posted - 2014.03.01 16:40:00 -
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NewOldMan wrote:Knight Solitaire wrote:
Scanner is getting a nerf, and the Revive Needle doesn't need a counter.
The repair tool is also getting a nerf...
Only if you're not Minmatar, it is Min Tech after all. The Scanner is getting an outright nerf.
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NewOldMan
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Posted - 2014.03.01 16:46:00 -
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Knight Solitaire wrote:NewOldMan wrote:Knight Solitaire wrote:
Scanner is getting a nerf, and the Revive Needle doesn't need a counter.
The repair tool is also getting a nerf... Only if you're not Minmatar, it is Min Tech after all. The Scanner is getting an outright nerf.
It's still getting a nerf, All other races will get it full nerfed. Only minmatar logi V will make the repair tool's range close to what it was. |
ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1153
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Posted - 2014.03.01 16:58:00 -
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Knight Solitaire wrote:ER-Bullitt wrote:Equipment immune to flux grenades:
Rep Tool
Scanner
Revive Needle
C'mon bro. Scanner is getting a nerf, and the Revive Needle doesn't need a counter.
Blah, when you make a blatant statement like "Why should the Rep Tool be the only EQ immune to a Flux Nade?" you force me to correct your failed logic/argument.
Of course the revive needle doesn't need a counter, lol. And the rep tool requires a player to do absolutely nothing but repair. They cant shoot, cant drop other equipment, cant sprint, cant even throw a grenade without completely stopping the repair.
I think you have earned this now...
get gud scrub
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Knight Solitaire
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Posted - 2014.03.01 17:02:00 -
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ER-Bullitt wrote:Knight Solitaire wrote:ER-Bullitt wrote:Equipment immune to flux grenades:
Rep Tool
Scanner
Revive Needle
C'mon bro. Scanner is getting a nerf, and the Revive Needle doesn't need a counter. Blah, when you make a blatant statement like "Why should the Rep Tool be the only EQ immune to a Flux Nade?" you force me to correct your failed logic/argument. Of course the revive needle doesn't need a counter, lol. And the rep tool requires a player to do absolutely nothing but repair. They cant shoot, cant drop other equipment, cant sprint, cant even throw a grenade without completely stopping the repair. I think you have earned this now... get gud scrub
Of course! All they have to do is hold R1!
Such skill, much 1337, very hard
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Martyr Saboteur
Amarrtyrs
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Posted - 2014.03.01 19:22:00 -
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Get 2 people to focus fire on the heavy, that will kill him. Then kill the Logi, which shouldn't be too hard if he's got a Core Focused Tool.
2 Players using decent weapons > Heavy-Logi Combo > Solo Player.
Totally not Fizzer94's forum alt. Definitely just a random dude.
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PIGDOG 7
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.03.01 19:48:00 -
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Seems there's some lame ass posts today. As I've said before:
10 cc's of man the f@)k up to anybody who takes a heavy/logi combo, dies and then cries about it here.
Bacon? I still love it
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Knight Solitaire
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.03.01 19:56:00 -
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PIGDOG 7 wrote:Seems there's some lame ass posts today. As I've said before:
10 cc's of man the f@)k up to anybody who takes a heavy/logi combo, dies and then cries about it here.
Crying? I'm asking them to add another counter. Other than
"Sorry bro, you need players with 1k DPS weapons hitting him at the same time to take him down"
"What about alpha weapons?"
"Dafuq is an alpha weapon?"
I never said it was specifically Heavies too, even a Gallente Logi can get a comparable tank, is faster, and can carry Weapons with longer range, oh and can also carry Equipment.
Its you people assuming with your Reading Comprehension Level 1 that I was talking about Heavies.
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xSir Campsalotx
G0DS AM0NG MEN
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.03.01 20:07:00 -
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Core tool reps at 175 a second, sentinel has round 1200 armor fully plated. Combat rifle does around 1100dps to armor meaning in 1 sec the cr wins over by 925 damage meaning about 1.3 seconds of continuous fire will kill a heavy with a core repair tool on him. So with 2 ppl its little over half a second, what's the problem again.
G0DS AM0NG MEN Director
Preferred fit 1 complex damage mod, 2 mlt kin cats, basic HMG, flux grenade on a std sentinel
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PIGDOG 7
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
1
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Posted - 2014.03.01 20:09:00 -
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10 cc's of man the f@)k up to anybody who takes a heavy/logi combo, dies and then cries about it here.[/quote]
Crying? I'm asking them to add another counter. Other than
"Sorry bro, you need players with 1k DPS weapons hitting him at the same time to take him down"
"What about alpha weapons?"
"Dafuq is an alpha weapon?"
I never said it was specifically Heavies too, even a Gallente Logi can get a comparable tank, is faster, and can carry Weapons with longer range, oh and can also carry Equipment.
Its you people assuming with your Reading Comprehension Level 1 that I was talking about Heavies.
I do see your point but I just think CCP needs to look at others things first before this.
Bacon? I still love it
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Knight Solitaire
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
427
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Posted - 2014.03.01 20:11:00 -
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PIGDOG 7 wrote:
I do see your point but I just think CCP needs to look at others things first before this.
It may not be a massive problem right now, but just wait for this Heavy buff.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.03.01 20:15:00 -
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Knight Solitaire wrote:NewOldMan wrote:Knight Solitaire wrote:NewOldMan wrote:If so, make the flux nade disable your guns. Why? Why disable a repair tool? Just due to the fact that it's an equipment? Repair tools are powered from your suit. The same way your guns are. What other counter is there to the Rep Tool + Heavy combo? Other than zerging them? You can say "Shoot at the Logi!", but the Heavy will probably have you dead by then and even if you do manage to kill the +700HP Logi you still have the +1.2k HP Heavy to deal with.
High Alpha Weapons?
Remote Explosives?
Shotgun From Behind?
There's also the concentrated fire option. The heavy/logi combo requires two people, so why shouldn't it require two people to destroy?
Atiim (Gunnlogi - 80GJ Particle Cannon) Tank Scrub
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Knight Solitaire
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Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.03.01 20:16:00 -
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xSir Campsalotx wrote:Core tool reps at 175 a second, sentinel has round 1200 armor fully plated. Combat rifle does around 1100dps to armor meaning in 1 sec the cr wins over by 925 damage meaning about 1.3 seconds of continuous fire will kill a heavy with a core repair tool on him. So with 2 ppl its little over half a second, what's the problem again.
The Base DPS of a Boundless is 704. Thats not counting the Armour Bonus though (What was it again for Projectiles? 10% or 5%?)
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Knight Solitaire
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Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.03.01 20:18:00 -
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Atiim wrote:
High Alpha Weapons?
Remote Explosives?
Shotgun From Behind?
Shotguns aren't that great for a situation like this. 2-3 Shots to kill the Logi, 4-5 to kill the Heavy, means you'll be cutting it short on ammo, and chances are by the time you've hit the Logi, he is already warning his Heavy over comms allowing the Heavy to turn around and blow away the Shotgunner before he can get another shot off.
You've also got to remember what 1.8 will di to Heavies.
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.03.01 20:30:00 -
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I do seem to die an awful lot for being so OP. I guess I need to skill into those modules that make you immune to grenade spam because it seems to work pretty darn well.
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
Forum Warrior lv.2
Amarr victor!
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ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1155
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Posted - 2014.03.01 20:52:00 -
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Knight Solitaire wrote:I never said it was specifically Heavies too, Its you people assuming with your Reading Comprehension Level 1 that I was talking about Heavies.
Why are you trolling these poor folks. Perhaps you need some lessons on how to express your thoughts properly. Our reading comprehension is perfectly fine, its your position and stance on this subject that is flip flopping like a pair of old sandles.
To remind you, you wrote this:
Knight Solitaire wrote:NewOldMan wrote:
Why disable a repair tool? Just due to the fact that it's an equipment? Repair tools are powered from your suit. The same way your guns are.
What other counter is there to the Rep Tool + Heavy combo? Other than zerging them? You can say "Shoot at the Logi!", but the Heavy will probably have you dead by then and even if you do manage to kill the +700HP Logi you still have the +1.2k HP Heavy to deal with.
You specifically cite heavies (see bold text, 3 times) yet we are supposed to assume you aren't talking about heavies. Dafuq?
Knight Solitaire wrote:
even a Gallente Logi can get a comparable tank, is faster, and can carry Weapons with longer range, oh and can also carry Equipment.
Now you force me to school you more..
Define comparable? Iif you stack 3x Comp Shield Extenders, 5x Complex Armor Plates on a Pro Gallente Logi.. not only do you fall short of a Pro Sentinel Heavy by about 500+ hit points, and about 400+ hitpoints short of a tanked Pro Basic Amarr Heavy. You actually will not be any faster in movement speed because you stacked all that armor onto the logi. Any movement speed difference will be negligible at best. Also, heavies can equip light weapons too, so that point is null and void. And if you are stacking that much tank on a gal logi, you will not have enough CPU/PG left to fit anything besides 1-2 pieces of cheap equipment.
How do I know this, because I run both of those suits.
Perhaps you should stop talking out of your ass and take the advice I have already given you. This combo you apparently have so much trouble with is far from unbeatable if you apply yourself, trust me I know (from both sides).
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ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1156
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Posted - 2014.03.01 21:10:00 -
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Knight Solitaire wrote:
Shotguns aren't that great for a situation like this. 2-3 Shots to kill the Logi
2 shots max from a properly skilled/fitted scout shotgunner.
Knight Solitaire wrote:
4-5 to kill the Heavy
4 shots max. I can kill a Pro Sentinel Heavy with 4 shots from my dren shotgun, on a dren scout, with no damage mods and zero skill points in shotguns.
Knight Solitaire wrote:
means you'll be cutting it short on ammo, and chances are by the time you've hit the Logi, he is already warning his Heavy over comms allowing the Heavy to turn around and blow away the Shotgunner before he can get another shot off.
So you have just killed the logi with 2 shots (yes that's how many shots it takes for good scout/shotgunners who are behind me up close to take down my well tanked proto gal logi)... yet you stick around long enough (remember you are in a speedy scout shotgun flank suit) to let the heavy turn his fat ass around and pummel you with his HMG? Why wouldn't you pop the logi, and take cover... you have killed 1/2 of the "unbeatable" combo, don't just stand there.. be a scout!
And again you are presenting us with a hypothetical scenario where you want to defeat a 2 man combo by yourself. Didn't we already go over this? That is not balance...
Knight Solitaire wrote:
You've also got to remember what 1.8 will di to Heavies.
Why don't we just wait and see what 1.8 brings before you start the QQ train in motion.
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Knight Solitaire
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
434
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Posted - 2014.03.01 21:25:00 -
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Yeah, I'll take cover and allow the Logi to spawn back in within 3s and start repping the Heavy again. Time and ammo wasted.
And I've seen your Gal Logi suit with what is it 700 - 800 armour? (And I'm the one that needs to 'Git gud'? Lol)
EDIT: I used Heavies as an example, I never said it was just Heavies.
Corporation: Fatal Absolution
Alliance: General Tso's Alliance
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ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1156
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Posted - 2014.03.01 21:28:00 -
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Yeah, you've seen it while laying dead on your back many times. lol
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Meee One
The dyst0pian Corporation
Zero-Day
426
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Posted - 2014.03.01 21:31:00 -
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If this happens,everyone will carry fluxes.
It will make my rep tool a big paper weight.
Considering i'm 100% helpless while using it,i don't see this as remotely fair.
I guess i could use that slot for something else....maybe REs....
Only users lose drugs.
Time wounds all heels.
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Knight Solitaire
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
434
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Posted - 2014.03.01 21:40:00 -
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ER-Bullitt wrote:Yeah, you've seen it while laying dead on your back many times.
While you're down there, get your shine box. lol
Even if you did. It was never you that caused the deaths, I've never even played against you.
Going to be so funny when we get called in to defend Molon once the district locking is put to an end.
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Snow Turtle
R 0 N 1 N
10
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Posted - 2014.03.01 21:44:00 -
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Knight Solitaire wrote:Yeah, I'll take cover and allow the Logi to spawn back in within 3s and start repping the Heavy again. Time and ammo wasted.
What makes you think the Logi is going to spawn in and get back to his heavy in 3 seconds? That would require a Proto Uplink right next to the heavy. Here's a thought; Why don't you just use you precious Flux Grenade you want buffed so badly to take out the uplinks? Problem solved!
Caldari Scout. Dedicated Saga Pilot.
Knives, Needles, and Road Kill.
"Don't be dead, be happy!" -Snow Turtle
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xSir Campsalotx
G0DS AM0NG MEN
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
133
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Posted - 2014.03.01 21:49:00 -
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Knight Solitaire wrote:xSir Campsalotx wrote:Core tool reps at 175 a second, sentinel has round 1200 armor fully plated. Combat rifle does around 1100dps to armor meaning in 1 sec the cr wins over by 925 damage meaning about 1.3 seconds of continuous fire will kill a heavy with a core repair tool on him. So with 2 ppl its little over half a second, what's the problem again. The Base DPS of a Boundless is 704. Thats not counting the Armour Bonus though (What was it again for Projectiles? 10% or 5%?)
Base but damage mods are wide spread as are profs in this weapon 95% to shield 110% armor.
G0DS AM0NG MEN Director
Preferred fit 1 complex damage mod, 2 mlt kin cats, basic HMG, flux grenade on a std sentinel
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ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1156
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Posted - 2014.03.01 22:21:00 -
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Knight Solitaire wrote:ER-Bullitt wrote:Yeah, you've seen it while laying dead on your back many times.
While you're down there, get your shine box. lol Even if you did. It was never you that caused the deaths, I've never even played against you. Going to be so funny when we get called in to defend Molon once the district locking is put to an end.
So I take it you are done qq'ing, you have no more failed logic to provide to try and support your ridiculous suggestion, and have now resorted to baseless insults. Can't say I'm surprised.
I don't think we would want someone fighting for us who cant even figure out how to defeat a heavy/logi combo. Heck, our brand new recruits with 3 million SP can figure out how to counter this combo better than you can. If we do ask FA for help, I hope they send someone else. lol
You really want to continue this kiddo? cause I have logic for days...
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Knight Solitaire
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
435
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Posted - 2014.03.01 22:29:00 -
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ER-Bullitt wrote:So I take it you are done qq'ing, you have no more failed logic to provide to try and support your ridiculous suggestion, and have now resorted to baseless insults. Can't say I'm surprised. I don't think we would want someone fighting for us who cant even figure out how to defeat a heavy/logi combo. Heck, our brand new recruits with 3 million SP can figure out how to counter this combo better than you can. If we do ask FA for help, I hope they send someone else. lol You really want to continue this kiddo? cause I have logic for days...
I wouldn't want to be there anyway, I'd rather see you lose everything, and of course there is always the slight chance of catching some kind of STI from all the previous ringers Molon have used.
You needed to hire us for matches Vs Pradox / Phoenix. lel.
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Alliance: General Tso's Alliance
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ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1156
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Posted - 2014.03.01 22:31:00 -
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Knight Solitaire wrote:
I wouldn't want to be there anyway,
At least we agree on something. |
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
420
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Posted - 2014.03.01 22:34:00 -
[53] - Quote
Knight Solitaire wrote:NewOldMan wrote:Knight Solitaire wrote:NewOldMan wrote:If so, make the flux nade disable your guns. Why? Why disable a repair tool? Just due to the fact that it's an equipment? Repair tools are powered from your suit. The same way your guns are. What other counter is there to the Rep Tool + Heavy combo? Other than zerging them? You can say "Shoot at the Logi!", but the Heavy will probably have you dead by then and even if you do manage to kill the +700HP Logi you still have the +1.2k HP Heavy to deal with.
First the logi rep tool heavy combo is inherenly weak, when you have a dedicated repper on a heavy you have essentially 1 less enemy, think of this awesome train of hmg death as a single entity. Thus if there are 2 sets of these their team has 14 players, but 2 of them are badass.
Once you see it like this its simply a matter of teamwork, overwhelming with numbers, flank and attack simultaneously from multiple angles, lots of flux, CONCENTRATED FIRE, and for now Remote Explosives as far as you can sling em....... This mix, or combo is essential. Also high ground with most rifles work well to shoot down onto heavies with..... |
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
420
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Posted - 2014.03.01 22:49:00 -
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ER-Bullitt wrote:Yeah, you've seen it while laying dead on your back many times.
While you're down there, get your shine box. lol
Ohhhhh great movie reference, and ome of my favs, Joe, was good jn dem days... |
ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1157
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Posted - 2014.03.01 22:53:00 -
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INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote:ER-Bullitt wrote:Yeah, you've seen it while laying dead on your back many times.
While you're down there, get your shine box. lol Ohhhhh great movie reference, and ome of my favs, Joe, was good jn dem days...
Hell yeah!
And by the way.. I woudnt waste your time trying to have a debate with this fool. He is immune to logic and clearly has been butthurt by enough rep tools to hate them for lyfe. |
SteelheadPep
SAM-MIK
General Tso's Alliance
53
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Posted - 2014.03.01 22:59:00 -
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Knight Solitaire wrote:ER-Bullitt wrote:Knight Solitaire wrote:ER-Bullitt wrote:Equipment immune to flux grenades:
Rep Tool
Scanner
Revive Needle
C'mon bro. Scanner is getting a nerf, and the Revive Needle doesn't need a counter. Blah, when you make a blatant statement like "Why should the Rep Tool be the only EQ immune to a Flux Nade?" you force me to correct your failed logic/argument. Of course the revive needle doesn't need a counter, lol. And the rep tool requires a player to do absolutely nothing but repair. They cant shoot, cant drop other equipment, cant sprint, cant even throw a grenade without completely stopping the repair. I think you have earned this now... get gud scrub Of course! All they have to do is hold R1! Such skill, much 1337, very hard So now the real reason comes to the surface your upset with the fact that a support logi can get more WPs than you, interesting.With the current TTK support logis are easy targets even tanking, I have seen heavies drop like they had milt gear, I think you will not have to worry about us big bad support logis so much in the future, you cannot harm anyone with a Rep tool unless you mele them,support logis are the first (most easy) to take out of the pair and you want to finish the support logi nerf, well done sir well done.
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Tectonic Fusion
1160
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Posted - 2014.03.01 22:59:00 -
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Flank from an elevated position, pack remote explosives, use a scout suit, and bring flux grenades.
Solo Player
Squad status: Locked
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Knight Solitaire
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
440
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Posted - 2014.03.01 23:00:00 -
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SteelheadPep wrote:
So now the real reason comes to the surface your upset with the fact that a support logi can get more WPs than you, interesting.With the current TTK support logis are easy targets even tanking, I have seen heavies drop like they had milt gear, I think you will not have to worry about us big bad support logis so much in the future, you cannot harm anyone with a Rep tool unless you mele them,support logis are the first (most easy) to take out of the pair and you want to finish the support logi nerf, well done sir well done.
Support Logi is a thing? Sounds like a funny excuse for being terribad at shooting.
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