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Knight Solitaire
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.03.01 15:16:00 -
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Give the Flux Nade the ability to temporarily disable Repair Tools (Not modules)
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NewOldMan
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.03.01 15:21:00 -
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If so, make the flux nade disable your guns. |
Knight Solitaire
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.03.01 15:25:00 -
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NewOldMan wrote:If so, make the flux nade disable your guns.
Why?
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NewOldMan
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Posted - 2014.03.01 15:28:00 -
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Knight Solitaire wrote:NewOldMan wrote:If so, make the flux nade disable your guns. Why?
Why disable a repair tool? Just due to the fact that it's an equipment? Repair tools are powered from your suit. The same way your guns are. |
Knight Solitaire
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.03.01 15:32:00 -
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NewOldMan wrote:Knight Solitaire wrote:NewOldMan wrote:If so, make the flux nade disable your guns. Why? Why disable a repair tool? Just due to the fact that it's an equipment? Repair tools are powered from your suit. The same way your guns are.
What other counter is there to the Rep Tool + Heavy combo? Other than zerging them? You can say "Shoot at the Logi!", but the Heavy will probably have you dead by then and even if you do manage to kill the +700HP Logi you still have the +1.2k HP Heavy to deal with.
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Echo 1991
WarRavens
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.03.01 15:36:00 -
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Dont engage them head on... |
NewOldMan
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Posted - 2014.03.01 15:37:00 -
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Knight Solitaire wrote:
What other counter is there to the Rep Tool + Heavy combo? Other than zerging them? You can say "Shoot at the Logi!", but the Heavy will probably have you dead by then and even if you do manage to kill the +700HP Logi you still have the +1.2k HP Heavy to deal with.
Snipe the logi? Nade the logi? Shoot the logi?
You have one more guy wielding a gun than the other team. He can kill the logi. Also what makes you think that you can solo a tag team duo? Also the dps from any light weapon far outweighs what the logi can repair. |
Knight Solitaire
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.03.01 15:38:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:Dont engage them head on...
Because it really takes that long to turn around. If you do get them from behind, and are lucky enough to kill the Logi, the Heavy is probably already facing you, hitting you with his HMG, and then you have to retreat rethink your route, and the- Oh forget about it, by that time the Logi has already spawned back in.
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Knight Solitaire
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
420
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Posted - 2014.03.01 15:41:00 -
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NewOldMan wrote:
Snipe the logi? Nade the logi? Shoot the logi?
You have one more guy wielding a gun than the other team. He can kill the logi. Also what makes you think that you can solo a tag team duo? Also the dps from any light weapon far outweighs what the logi can repair.
But again why turn off the repair tool? Which is powered by your suit. And not guns, which are powered by your suit.
Sniping is out of the question because this combo is usually used for point defend (CQC good luck getting 2-3 hits on that Logi with all that cover around and the buggy mess that is the Sniper Rifle)
Even if you do snipe the Logi, congratz, but you still have that Heavy to deal with, who has just taken cover, and is waiting 3-10s for that Logi to spawn back in with full health and ammo.
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Beck Weathers
Ghosts of Dawn
General Tso's Alliance
566
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Posted - 2014.03.01 15:43:00 -
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Knight Solitaire wrote:NewOldMan wrote:Knight Solitaire wrote:NewOldMan wrote:If so, make the flux nade disable your guns. Why? Why disable a repair tool? Just due to the fact that it's an equipment? Repair tools are powered from your suit. The same way your guns are. What other counter is there to the Rep Tool + Heavy combo? Other than zerging them? You can say "Shoot at the Logi!", but the Heavy will probably have you dead by then and even if you do manage to kill the +700HP Logi you still have the +1.2k HP Heavy to deal with.
Psst! over hear! *whispers* remote explosives
These forums must be located in the Californin country side, there is whine as far as the eye can see.
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Knight Solitaire
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.03.01 15:45:00 -
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Beck Weathers wrote:
Psst! over hear! *whispers* remote explosives
Psst! Heavies can survive REs, and guess what? Its only going to get worse in 1.8!
Hurray!
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NewOldMan
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Posted - 2014.03.01 15:45:00 -
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That answers the sniping part, but nades? Having another teammate?
From what you are saying all you are trying to do is solo them and trying to get a mechanic that helps you win solo.
TL:DR Teamwork is OP I NEED HELP CCP |
Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
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Posted - 2014.03.01 15:47:00 -
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Flank and Bank.
I GÖú Kittens.
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Knight Solitaire
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
420
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Posted - 2014.03.01 15:48:00 -
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NewOldMan wrote:That answers the sniping part, but nades? Having another teammate?
From what you are saying all you are trying to do is solo them and trying to get a mechanic that helps you win solo.
TL:DR Teamwork is OP I NEED HELP CCP
Did I ever say I wanted to take them solo?
*Looks back over posts*
Oh no, I didn't! Do you even have Reading Comprehension Level 5? And Nades? You do know a Logi can tank enough to survive a Nade, and not to mention if hes camping rep hives.
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NewOldMan
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Posted - 2014.03.01 15:56:00 -
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You didn't actually come out and say solo. But all of your posts references that you lack a teammate.
You don't zerg. Never even acknowledged it when I pointed out that another any other light weapon beats out the repair tool's repair rate. (extra teammate)
Or the fact that I said teamwork is OP? Do you have a second teammate helping you? Are you stupidly engaging in the HMG's kill range when you have a longer range weapon? Last I checked 2 is still greater than 1. Logis are people too.
All you did was come on here said " I should get a grenade that helps me win." |
ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1152
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Posted - 2014.03.01 16:03:00 -
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Knight Solitaire wrote:NewOldMan wrote:That answers the sniping part, but nades? Having another teammate?
From what you are saying all you are trying to do is solo them and trying to get a mechanic that helps you win solo.
TL:DR Teamwork is OP I NEED HELP CCP Did I ever say I wanted to take them solo? *Looks back over posts* Oh no, I didn't! Do you even have Reading Comprehension Level 5? And Nades? You do know a Logi can tank enough to survive a Nade, and not to mention if hes camping rep hives.
Your dismissal of the advice given leads the reader to assume you want to solo a tag team, I find it strange that you cannot make that connection based on the conversation above.
Your question appears to be: How do you beat 2 players working together in CQC, utilizing the synergy of a high tank heavy fit being repaired from behind by a 175hp/s rep tool, held by a player in a medium tank logi fit.
The answers so far have been:
- Kill the logi first, using sniper, grenade, or any other means available, including flanking. (preferred method)
- DPS the heavy down using a medium weapon, and/or grenades, in an attempt to out dps the repair tool. (difficult, but doable)
- Remote Explosives (and yes they can take down some heavies, since remotes do 1500 damage... proto tanked heavies will be left with a sliver of health after eating a remote) (difficult again, but doable)
- Zerg them (last resort tactic, but effective nonetheless.. bring a revive needle.. because someone will probably die)
This is called a debate, and just like how you apparently cant win an engagment playing solo against a logi/heavy combo, you will not win this debate because your argument is flawed. It is flawed because there are ways to counter this combo, its just not going to be "easy". This combo is specifically designed to be used in CQC.. it does not work well in medium or long range, at all.
So there you go... I was looking for instructions online for the game "rock, paper, scissor" but I couldn't find any.. sorry.
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NewOldMan
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Posted - 2014.03.01 16:08:00 -
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ER-Bullitt wrote:
Your dismissal of the advice given leads the reader to assume you want to solo a tag team, I find it strange that you cannot make that connection based on the conversation above.
Your question appears to be: How do you beat 2 players working together in CQC, utilizing the synergy of a high tank heavy fit being repaired from behind by a 175hp/s rep tool, held by a player in a medium tank logi fit.....
Who knew it'd be good old ER in with the logic smackdown. |
ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1152
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Posted - 2014.03.01 16:10:00 -
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NewOldMan wrote:
Who knew it'd be good old ER in with the logic smackdown.
I have my moments, lol. How you been newoldman? Hope all is well in KEQ land  |
Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core
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Posted - 2014.03.01 16:11:00 -
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or knock out tacnet(no chevrons) for the suit, so you cant tell who's on your team to rep
A strange game.
The only winning move is
not to play.
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NewOldMan
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RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.03.01 16:15:00 -
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ER-Bullitt wrote:NewOldMan wrote:
Who knew it'd be good old ER in with the logic smackdown.
I have my moments, lol. How you been newoldman? Hope all is well in KEQ land
I'm doing really good, Just bought myself a new PC so I can play all the great games with even greater mods (skyrim, minecraft)
KEQ land is still the land of the free and brave and batman.
Also thanks for coming in and actually pointing out logic to Knight. |
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Beck Weathers
Ghosts of Dawn
General Tso's Alliance
566
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Posted - 2014.03.01 16:16:00 -
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Knight Solitaire wrote:Beck Weathers wrote:
Psst! over hear! *whispers* remote explosives
Psst! Heavies can survive REs, and guess what? Its only going to get worse in 1.8! Hurray!
Psst your not using enough REs
These forums must be located in the Californin country side, there is whine as far as the eye can see.
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Knight Solitaire
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
420
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Posted - 2014.03.01 16:18:00 -
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NewOldMan wrote:You didn't actually come out and say solo. But all of your posts references that you lack a teammate.
You don't zerg. Never even acknowledged it when I pointed out that another any other light weapon beats out the repair tool's repair rate. (extra teammate)
Or the fact that I said teamwork is OP? Do you have a second teammate helping you? Are you stupidly engaging in the HMG's kill range when you have a longer range weapon? Last I checked 2 is still greater than 1. Logis are people too.
All you did was come on here said " I should get a grenade that helps me win."
And I never said I wanted to take them solo, just that there should be an easier way of dealing with them other than requireing a group of players.
Dealing with them doesn't nessacerily mean 'Killing' them it just means supressing them so you can do other things like deal with other enemies or destroy Uplinks / Rep Hives.
Flux Nades need more uses, this is one of them. Why should the Rep Tool be the only EQ immune to a Flux Nade?
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ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1152
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Posted - 2014.03.01 16:19:00 -
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Equipment immune to flux grenades:
Rep Tool
Scanner
Revive Needle
C'mon bro. |
NewOldMan
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.03.01 16:20:00 -
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Knight Solitaire wrote:
Flux Nades need more uses, this is one of them. Why should the Rep Tool be the only EQ immune to a Flux Nade?
Because it's the only EQ powered by your suit. Just like your guns.
EDIT:
Needle, scanner
ER again with the save. |
Knight Solitaire
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
420
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Posted - 2014.03.01 16:20:00 -
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ER-Bullitt wrote:Equipment immune to flux grenades:
Rep Tool
Scanner
Revive Needle
C'mon bro.
Scanner is getting a nerf, and the Revive Needle doesn't need a counter.
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Turtle Hermit Roshi
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.03.01 16:21:00 -
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Knight Solitaire wrote:Give the Flux Nade the ability to temporarily disable Repair Tools (Not modules)
as a heavy who used to swear on locus but came back to a firecracker rather than gernade
promptly switched to fluxes and runs them constantly
i have always thought that fluxes should effect more than deployed eqp and sheilds
i miss the days i could get a kill with fluxes 
so im all behind it effecting rep tols but not neccesarily just cut it off
when you flux an active rep tool make it do like a "sputter" and stop for aprox >2 seconds
+1
Anything worth fighting for is worth fighting dirty for,
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NewOldMan
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Posted - 2014.03.01 16:25:00 -
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Knight Solitaire wrote:
Scanner is getting a nerf, and the Revive Needle doesn't need a counter.
The repair tool is also getting a nerf... |
Knight Solitaire
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.03.01 16:40:00 -
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NewOldMan wrote:Knight Solitaire wrote:
Scanner is getting a nerf, and the Revive Needle doesn't need a counter.
The repair tool is also getting a nerf...
Only if you're not Minmatar, it is Min Tech after all. The Scanner is getting an outright nerf.
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NewOldMan
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Posted - 2014.03.01 16:46:00 -
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Knight Solitaire wrote:NewOldMan wrote:Knight Solitaire wrote:
Scanner is getting a nerf, and the Revive Needle doesn't need a counter.
The repair tool is also getting a nerf... Only if you're not Minmatar, it is Min Tech after all. The Scanner is getting an outright nerf.
It's still getting a nerf, All other races will get it full nerfed. Only minmatar logi V will make the repair tool's range close to what it was. |
ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1153
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Posted - 2014.03.01 16:58:00 -
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Knight Solitaire wrote:ER-Bullitt wrote:Equipment immune to flux grenades:
Rep Tool
Scanner
Revive Needle
C'mon bro. Scanner is getting a nerf, and the Revive Needle doesn't need a counter.
Blah, when you make a blatant statement like "Why should the Rep Tool be the only EQ immune to a Flux Nade?" you force me to correct your failed logic/argument.
Of course the revive needle doesn't need a counter, lol. And the rep tool requires a player to do absolutely nothing but repair. They cant shoot, cant drop other equipment, cant sprint, cant even throw a grenade without completely stopping the repair.
I think you have earned this now...
get gud scrub
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