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Meknow Intaki
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Posted - 2014.02.28 17:03:00 -
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I was playing some games the other night and half the people I was playing with we're filthy rich going full proto every round well the other half could barly run basic?!
Did something go wrong along the way or is this how CCP planed it?!
Billionaires Vs. The Poor |
Dauth Jenkins
Ultramarine Corp
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Posted - 2014.02.28 17:05:00 -
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It's just like real life!
Sees prototompers...
Sees blueberries start to snipe...
Pulls out commando suit with laser rifle and swarm launcher...
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Delta90212
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
295
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Posted - 2014.02.28 17:06:00 -
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They messed up with PC and now the rich/good corporations are just farming millions isk each day
In Rust We Trust // Standings Minmatar 6 // Minmatar Logi
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
1876
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Posted - 2014.02.28 17:07:00 -
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Meknow Intaki wrote:I was playing some games the other night and half the people I was playing with we're filthy rich going full proto every round well the other half could barly run basic?!
Did something go wrong along the way or is this how CCP planed it?!
Billionaires Vs. The Poor
Run only what you can afford to lose = profit. Then run what you want, until you lose too much isk. Back to running what you can afford to lose.
It's called managing your income. It isn't hard.
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
11798
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Posted - 2014.02.28 17:07:00 -
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I love how people cry that respecs damage the game when at will respecs would cause less damage than the PC mess has been causing for months now
Classic
Videos / Fiction
Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1754
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Posted - 2014.02.28 17:08:00 -
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Meknow Intaki wrote:I was playing some games the other night and half the people I was playing with we're filthy rich going full proto every round well the other half could barly run basic?!
Did something go wrong along the way or is this how CCP planed it?!
Billionaires Vs. The Poor
Because they do the same things that made them that way.
"You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus."
Raoul Duke
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KatanaPT
Tech Guard
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.02.28 17:08:00 -
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PC overly exploited (if you can still say its an exploit because its all made with CCP full knowledge)
Tech Guard Recruiting Spot
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Myron Kundera
The Generals
General Tso's Alliance
41
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Posted - 2014.02.28 17:08:00 -
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Thats why Robin Hood
"Greed, the forgotten mental disease"
"Spray and pray makes my day"
"Will use proto gear in self defense"
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Hecarim Van Hohen
ACME SPECIAL FORCES
RISE of LEGION
477
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Posted - 2014.02.28 17:09:00 -
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Poor stay poor either by choice (giving money away mostly) or because they don't know how to manage their wallet
Rich stay rich because they don't give their money away and know how to manage their wallet
BANGO SKANK WAS HERE
1.7 best match (HMG): 40/9/9 (K/A/D)
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1756
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Posted - 2014.02.28 17:09:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:I love how people cry that respecs damage the game when at will respecs would cause less damage than the PC mess has been causing for months now Classic
You are on a roll today. Your splork is exceptionaly well timed and to the point. Carry on.
"You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus."
Raoul Duke
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Aisha Ctarl
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3651
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Posted - 2014.02.28 17:10:00 -
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When DUST went "live" on 5/14/13, certain items were liquidated and the ISK given to the players for those items - this greatly affected those from the closed beta and open beta before the "live" date making many of us space rich in the span of a build download.
I could list the ways how we Amarr are better than you, but your lesser mind wouldn't comprehend it.
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1756
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Posted - 2014.02.28 17:11:00 -
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KatanaPT wrote:PC overly exploited (if you can still say its an exploit because its all made with CCP full knowledge)
I am pretty sure lots of the forum posters cried that the clone packs were too expensive and I think CCP changed the price. I will have to check on that but if so then you can't blame CCP for the mess nearly as much.
"You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus."
Raoul Duke
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ALT2 acc
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Posted - 2014.02.28 17:12:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:I love how people cry that respecs damage the game when at will respecs would cause less damage than the PC mess has been causing for months now Classic
The neckbeards just dont want competition.
Really nice vid btw.
Hater attractor proficiency 5, hater attractor optimization 5.
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
1877
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Posted - 2014.02.28 17:13:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:I love how people cry that respecs damage the game when at will respecs would cause less damage than the PC mess has been causing for months now Classic
At this point, I think it's fair to say that CCP has done the most damage to Dust.
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
11803
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Posted - 2014.02.28 17:14:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:I love how people cry that respecs damage the game when at will respecs would cause less damage than the PC mess has been causing for months now Classic At this point, I think it's fair to say that CCP has done the most damage to Dust.
Common ground established
Videos / Fiction
Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
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Meknow Intaki
81
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Posted - 2014.02.28 17:15:00 -
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Well Ya!! For me and you, I like to pad myself with a hefty pile of isk but nothing like what some of these guys got..
The games not even a year old and they got enough money to last forever!! |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
11803
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Posted - 2014.02.28 17:16:00 -
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Hecarim Van Hohen wrote:Rich stay rich because they don't give their money away and know how to manage their wallet
Locks districts
Collects ISK
Tells people to save ISK and git gud in PC
Videos / Fiction
Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
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Meknow Intaki
81
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Posted - 2014.02.28 17:21:00 -
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At least in EvE online you got to work to make isk!! It's just not given to ya  |
The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1756
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Posted - 2014.02.28 17:23:00 -
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Source
Genolution Starter Pack
First up are two changes to the Genolution starter package. These changes are aimed at making it a bit cheaper to enter Planetary Conquest and also to give those in Planetary Conquest a more financially sound way of having fights.
Attribute
Current Value
New Value
Genolution cost 80,000,000 ISK 30,000,000 ISK
Genolution clones 150
100
The reduction in price makes perfect sense to accomplish that goal but why the reduction in clones? Since the average number of clones lost in a battle is around 80, 100 clones should still be enough for most cases. One of the other things we did was increase the amount of ISK you get from clones lost in combat (biomass) and lowering the number of clones was done to balance against that.
Summary: Genolution packs dramatically down in price, slightly down in clone count.
Clone Sale Price
This is primarily the income corporations get. The ISK from selling a clone back on the market either manually or when their district is full. We are increasing this by 50%.
Attribute
Current Value
New Value
Clone sale 100,000 ISK 150,000 ISK
Summary: Corporations get more ISK for owning a district.
Biomass Price
At the end of a battle the winning side gets an ISK reward based on how many clones were killed in the battle. Two things are happening; we are increasing the reward and we are making it match the value of clones when they are sold. In the end this almost doubles the ISK reward for players participating in Planetary Conquest matches.
Attribute
Current Value
New Value
Biomass sale 80,000 ISK 150,000 ISK
District safe after defence
As it stands if you are defending a district and successfully defeating the attackers they can still attack. This means if someone has the money to burn they can just keep attacking you until the defenders just burn out after having no break. Here is what we are changing in Uprising 1.3:
As an attacker you will no longer be able to launch a follow up attack until after a battle ends
As an attacker you can only launch a follow up attack after you have won a battle
The time frame is still 1 hour from the start of the battle however. So if a battle takes 30 minutes you have 30 minutes after it ends to launch the follow up attack.
What this effectively means is that if the defenders win the earliest the next battle can happen is about 47 hours later, instead of 23 in the current system. This means a break from defending the district and also an extra reinforcement cycle of clones.
The first part of this change (attackers only being able to launch a follow up attack after a battle ends), is live on our Tranquility server for DUST players right now. The second part, (only being able to re-attack if you have won), is coming with the rest of the changes detailed in this dev blog
Summary: If defenders win a battle the district is safe for an extra day.
"You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus."
Raoul Duke
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Aszazel
R 0 N 1 N
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Posted - 2014.02.28 17:36:00 -
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ItGÇÖs kind of like, rich begets rich. Once you have full proto in everything your kill/death changes drastically. Shields go from 22, 33, 66. So even from advanced to proto, they are gaining double shields, which mean you have to do double damage to them to kill them and they have to do only half. Now that they stay alive much easier they can hack and kill and gain more points. Then they top the leader board and receive more money as payouts.
Or you can pay AUR to get proto as well. Once you get to lvl 3. |
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LowerThan SnakeShip
Ultramarine Corp
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Posted - 2014.02.28 17:47:00 -
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i have to disagree with everyone saying its about managing isk for one when you play niyan san who can run every match where every player runs a 500k is hav and 100k suit and even if they win the match they still lose at least on of each match they come out very bad on isk now consider they run 100 games a day where the whole squad is doing the exact same thing they are losing 40 million a 100 games just a ballpark figure there is no way those guys are worring about managing isk. i run vehicles i know in a ambush match i would never just out of a proto vehicle just to get a kill and not care if anyone hacks my vehicle. i know its not just nyian but i have never seen milkman not doing this |
Fraceska
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
501
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Posted - 2014.02.28 17:47:00 -
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I know Dust players that have hundreds of millions of ISK and into the billions, they would have more but the conversion rate between EVE and Dust ISK keeps their "wallets" low, it's not really a wallet at that point and more like a freaking vault. They play Dust and farm ISK to have free Eve accounts thanks to plex. Fair much? |
Heimdallr69
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
1734
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Posted - 2014.02.28 17:49:00 -
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Welcome to America! The rich can do whatever they want and not follow the rules because they haz money.
Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
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Fraceska
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
501
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Posted - 2014.02.28 17:51:00 -
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This is my greatest source of contention. They can in a F2P game exploit the game enough to garner enough ISK to fund multiple people with ISK to pay for their Eve accounts in one month? A plex can go for 350-450 million ISK depending on region. So while the rest of us have to pay real money or mine like mad on multiple industrial accounts to play Eve for nothing? They really really need to fix that. |
Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
1101
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Posted - 2014.02.28 17:52:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:I love how people cry that respecs damage the game when at will respecs would cause less damage than the PC mess has been causing for months now Classic
Because the majority of players / play time is going to come from the PC side, and not the unwashed masses of players who don't do PC. |
Hecarim Van Hohen
ACME SPECIAL FORCES
RISE of LEGION
480
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Posted - 2014.02.28 17:53:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Hecarim Van Hohen wrote:Rich stay rich because they don't give their money away and know how to manage their wallet Locks districts Collects ISK Tells people to save ISK and git gud in PC
I have districts?
I grind my ISK like a peasant in pubs
There's no corporation that would allow me into their PC match, I should git gud myself
BANGO SKANK WAS HERE
1.7 best match (HMG): 40/9/9 (K/A/D)
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
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Posted - 2014.02.28 17:54:00 -
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Rasatsu wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:I love how people cry that respecs damage the game when at will respecs would cause less damage than the PC mess has been causing for months now Classic Because the majority of players / play time is going to come from the PC side, and not the unwashed masses of players who don't do PC.
This will never happen. Dust, is, and will always be dominated by pub matches.
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Knight Solitaire
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
399
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Posted - 2014.02.28 17:55:00 -
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I always run Proto in Pubs (I donut care what you think!), I dont make ISK from the Pubs though, I make it from PC battles, winning gives you 2mil ISK usually, and I get a weekly paycheck.
I'm not super rich though, just like 40mil ISK, but its enough because there is absolutely nothing to buy in this game.
Corporation: Fatal Absolution
Alliance: General Tso's Alliance
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Jax Saurian
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
166
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Posted - 2014.02.28 18:02:00 -
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110+ mil isk
One proto suit every two matches is my rule
the rest of the time basic gear with militia gear sprinkled in
no PC
"and when they catch you, they will kill you... ...but first they must catch you" motto of the scouts
Closed Beta Vet
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Poncho Polous
The Phoenix Federation
Proficiency V.
38
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Posted - 2014.02.28 18:20:00 -
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Jax Saurian wrote:110+ mil isk
One proto suit every two matches is my rule
the rest of the time basic gear with militia gear sprinkled in
no PC
I dont think anyone has a problem with players getting rich the right way by conserving and creating smart fittings, but when people are locking districts to farm more ISK than they could ever spend, it gets ridiculous.
Nyain San currently holds 61 districts, lets do some quick mental math here - 80 clones a day per district, 80 clones sell for 8.8M ISK, if all districts remain uncontested for one day that's 61 x 8.8M = 536,800,000 ISK for one days income. now do that for a few months and tell me your worried about losing your 5 or 10 proto suits in a match.
And though the fault is on CCP's hands for ever allowing this situation to take place in the first place, we are now left with a small fraction of the players in the game making so much money that they can just pay the top players to ring for them and make it nearly impossible to compete in any real way.
Even if they fix the way ISK made in the game, I still think it would take quite some time for the economy to balance back out of favor of those who have already pocketed their billions during this phase. I suppose I can only hope.
CEO
> The Phoenix Federation
> We da BUSSS!! We takin over!
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