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Dr PepperPoP
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.27 21:23:00 -
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For the top corps? I really don't think EvE guys shuttling our clones around or blocking troop transports is going to change anything but annoy people.
EvE is going to care about us one day - everyones big named alliance will show up - and then notice the corps in Dust who've been using there alliance tag blow big ones. They can't win a single offensive - so it doesn't matter how awesome there EvE side is - all it does is prevent flipping, it's no better then district locking, accept fundamentally acceptable. You need to win offenses, and only AE, NF, and FA (maybe RND and 1 or 2 other corps as well) will ever have a chance at this.
So I predict all the corps feeling sheltered by there EvE counter-parts are the ones in for a very rude awakening. Winning the games is always what will matter the most, and most corps simply do not. |
Viktor Hadah Jr
Critical-Impact
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Posted - 2014.02.27 21:27:00 -
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'Well what if these EVE guys hire "AE, NF, and FA (maybe RND and 1 or 2 other corps as well)" to ring for them? Then they can take districts and there EVE side can prevent other from being able to attack them O_o
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DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
4293
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Posted - 2014.02.27 21:46:00 -
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The real question is, how will eve affect the Anime Empire's looming conquest?
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Shiyou Hidiyoshi
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
376
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Posted - 2014.02.27 21:49:00 -
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If the Star Map opens up...
All of our corps might start making some good isky
It is funny how that is lol, good Eve groups have crappy Dust corps but good Dust corps have crappy Eve guys.
Some say that PC is pointless now but in reality, it is good publicity to get hired when the star map opens. They look at your corp's history in PC and learn that your corp is very good unlike their Dust corp that is very inactive and pub stomps at most against academy players.
Our corps will most likely be hired for the "must win very serious" fights.
Other corps will be hired for "mall security" aka chill areas and won't need to fight often or at all.
Either way, everyone who gets hired for whatever makes isky :P
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Badgerr Rager
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.02.27 21:50:00 -
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T here already is an Anime Empire alliance in Eve, the best part is Hello kitty patrol is in it
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Shiyou Hidiyoshi
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
377
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Posted - 2014.02.27 21:51:00 -
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Badgerr Rager wrote:T here already is an Anime Empire alliance in Eve, the best part is Hello kitty patrol is in it ^ Marauder has found a reason now to play Eve
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ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.27 21:52:00 -
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These posts made by barely decent players who hopped on a bandwagon and get carried by better players is just funny.
Keep up the good troll-lol filled posts... boys.
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Dr PepperPoP
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
38
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Posted - 2014.02.27 21:53:00 -
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Badgerr Rager wrote:T here already is an Anime Empire alliance in Eve, the best part is Hello kitty patrol is in it Looks like I have to go hunting. We may of found our alliance! :3 |
Dr PepperPoP
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.27 21:56:00 -
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ER-Bullitt wrote:These posts made by barely decent players who hopped on a bandwagon and get carried by better players is just funny.
Keep up the good troll-lol filled posts... boys.
/sips bacon flavored soda Does this mean you agree or disagree? Not that the opinion of someone who can't win a game without ringers matter - but hey, let's hear it anyways. |
Shiyou Hidiyoshi
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
377
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Posted - 2014.02.27 21:57:00 -
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The Hello Kitty thing has me thinking...
What are some awesome Eve groups you guys have heard of?
One I noticed a long time ago was "I whip my slaves back and forth"
Them Eve guys come up with better corp/alliance names then we all do :/
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Dr PepperPoP
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.27 22:00:00 -
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Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote:The Hello Kitty thing has me thinking...
What are some awesome Eve groups you guys have heard of?
One I noticed a long time ago was "I whip my slaves back and forth"
Them Eve guys come up with better corp/alliance names then we all do :/ They've had 10 years longer to practice. Someone will come up with some awesome ban worthy name some day for us. Lol |
GVGMODE
WorstPlayersEver
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Posted - 2014.02.27 22:02:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:The real question is, how will eve affect the Anime Empire's looming conquest?
Anime can't and won't be stopped.
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ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
1125
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Posted - 2014.02.27 22:44:00 -
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Dr PepperPoP wrote:ER-Bullitt wrote:These posts made by barely decent players who hopped on a bandwagon and get carried by better players is just funny.
Keep up the good troll-lol filled posts... boys.
/sips bacon flavored soda Does this mean you agree or disagree? Not that the opinion of someone who can't win a game without ringers matter - but hey, let's hear it anyways.
Does it really matter? Lol
I find The second part ironic since you are part of a ringer mercenary corp, one of their loudest . So heres another lol for you. (at you, not with you) |
Soraya Xel
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.02.27 22:48:00 -
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It all depends on the strength of EVE support in the game balance at that juncture. For instance, right now, we faced an opponent with EVE support last night and we beat their pants in very badly. EVE support couldn't save them. However, in a closer match it makes the difference.
But I think you will find that as the game develops, individual gunplay will be a lot less important than meta, diplomacy, and other factors. And EVE won't just be "support".
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DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
4301
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Posted - 2014.02.27 23:51:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote: But I think you will find that as the game develops, individual gunplay will be a lot less important than meta, diplomacy, and other factors. And EVE won't just be "support".
This is what I personally fear most. I want this to stay (at least at the "competitive level") a pure skill shooter. All that other crap is just lame.
I really do fear the day where PC matches get randomly canceled just cuz some eve dude blew up a clone transfer...
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CookieStein
G I A N T General Tso's Alliance
237
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Posted - 2014.02.27 23:57:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:
I really do look forward to the day where PC matches get randomly canceled just cuz some eve dude blew up a clone transfer...
*fixed |
DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.28 00:04:00 -
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CookieStein wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:
I really fear the day where PC matches get randomly canceled just cuz some eve dude blew up a clone transfer...
*fixed No! When that happens, it'll be really stupid. No competitive fights anywhere cuz eve side will just blow up clones... Completely unfun.
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Heimdallr69
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
1719
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Posted - 2014.02.28 00:07:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:Soraya Xel wrote: But I think you will find that as the game develops, individual gunplay will be a lot less important than meta, diplomacy, and other factors. And EVE won't just be "support".
This is what I personally fear most. I want this to stay (at least at the "competitive level") a pure skill shooter. All that other crap is just lame. I really do fear the day where PC matches get randomly canceled just cuz some eve dude blew up a clone transfer... I'll blow up eve ships with my exile.
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ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
1125
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Posted - 2014.02.28 00:09:00 -
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Forge space!! |
Dr PepperPoP
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
42
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Posted - 2014.02.28 00:11:00 -
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ER-Bullitt wrote:Dr PepperPoP wrote:ER-Bullitt wrote:These posts made by barely decent players who hopped on a bandwagon and get carried by better players is just funny.
Keep up the good troll-lol filled posts... boys.
/sips bacon flavored soda Does this mean you agree or disagree? Not that the opinion of someone who can't win a game without ringers matter - but hey, let's hear it anyways. Does it really matter? Lol I find The second part ironic since you are part of a ringer mercenary corp, one of their loudest . So heres another lol for you. You shouldn't find anything ironic about it - Being in a merc group simply gives me first hand view on which corps can't win on there own.
And if it didn't matter why would I make a thread on the topic, and why would you reply to said thread?
If you're trying to troll you're going to find yourself out-classed here. |
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Dr PepperPoP
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
42
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Posted - 2014.02.28 00:12:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:CookieStein wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:
I really fear the day where PC matches get randomly canceled just cuz some eve dude blew up a clone transfer...
*fixed No! When that happens, it'll be really stupid. No competitive fights anywhere cuz eve side will just blow up clones... Completely unfun. Around that time we'll be boarding EvE ships and hacking them from the inside to turn there cannons on friendlies. |
DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
4306
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Posted - 2014.02.28 00:14:00 -
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Dr PepperPoP wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:CookieStein wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:
I really fear the day where PC matches get randomly canceled just cuz some eve dude blew up a clone transfer...
*fixed No! When that happens, it'll be really stupid. No competitive fights anywhere cuz eve side will just blow up clones... Completely unfun. Around that time we'll be boarding EvE ships and hacking them from the inside to turn there cannons on friendlies. I hope so...
I wonder if we'll be able to upload things on eve ship to ruin their comms when all that comes out... Nothing like a good ole 10 hour "Yuki!!" To mess up their eve comms
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Spartacus Dust
The-Legionnaires The CORVOS
156
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Posted - 2014.02.28 01:00:00 -
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It's unlikely you'll be boarding EVE ships in the near future, but it is likely district locking will go away soon, it is likely that the mystical NPC warbarge that has been providing orbitals in PC will go away just like it has in FW. While a lot of the match will have to do with Gun Game, having an OB every 3 minutes while the other team doesn't get one at all will probably suck for a lot of people who were so use to earning them with warpoints.
There are also several other factors that could make EVE definitely relevant. If an EVE player could purchase clones, he could probably stock his warbarge full of them. In which case where the defender usually had the advantage because they have more clones, the attacker may now have a better advantage because he may have a **** ton more clones.
Then there is the mentioned "CLONE TRANSPORT DESTROYED" before the battle even happens. The thing about this, is I predict district mechanics will change all together, you won't have to put in a 24 hour notice, you just have your eve pilot fly to the planet.
Other things that may change is the passive income crap you get from owning a district (assuming the market opens) it may actually cost isk to run a district that perhaps produces dropsuits and tanks for your own corp/alliance.
All big dreams, none of us will know until CCP Rouge shares his plans.
It is important to note that having a big EVE side is not the same as having a GOOD EVE side. RA has a lot of pilots (in the hundreds I believe) but about 4 or 5 active ones in MH. General Tso has a lot more pilots in the area, plus they have FA, RND, SVER, and others along with lots of ringer connections, combine that with their EVE Forces. Once district locking goes away and WB is replaced. I think it's safe to say they will become the planet owners in MH.
Twitter @Matthew_Dust
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Spartacus Dust
The-Legionnaires The CORVOS
156
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Posted - 2014.02.28 01:06:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:CookieStein wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:
I really fear the day where PC matches get randomly canceled just cuz some eve dude blew up a clone transfer...
*fixed No! When that happens, it'll be really stupid. No competitive fights anywhere cuz eve side will just blow up clones... Completely unfun.
To be fair, it's likely the warbarge, if a capital, may be able to use cyno's, it looked huge as hell. anyway cyno will nearly guarantee that your warbarge doesn't get killed going to the battlefield without a spy in your midst telling them "HEY THEY ARE MOVING A WARBARGE"
Worse comes to worse, Capsuleers will also function like mercs. Meaning maybe you give one of your very many districts to one of my corps, and I in turn offer my transportation services/escort services/don't attempt to kill your guys being transported services. who knows :P
Twitter @Matthew_Dust
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Spartacus Dust
The-Legionnaires The CORVOS
156
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Posted - 2014.02.28 01:14:00 -
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Last but not least, I suspect that EVE will become more involved because that's how the hardcore players want it, that's how the devs want it, all of which was mentioned at EVE VEgas and PC is suppose to be "HARDCORE MODE"
But I suspect the prime reason for all that will be CCP wants DUST players to get an EVE account to gain actual profits. As I'm sure owning all those districts and getting passive income pretty much makes it so you guys don't have to rely on aurum at all. So CCP isn't making any money off you, but they have a chance of making money off you if you get an EVE account to back up your corp. That's my theory on why CCP is slowly going that direction (doesn't mean I agree with it)
Hopefully to counter the expenses of an EVE ship estimated in the billions, and the risk, they add a shuttle launch (like in the trailer) that shouldn't cost more than 5 million isk maximum.
Twitter @Matthew_Dust
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Spartacus Dust
The-Legionnaires The CORVOS
156
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Posted - 2014.02.28 01:15:00 -
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Then there are other things like, if you don't have a warbarge, will you have an MCC? If you have no MCC where will your tanks and dropships come from? all things to ponder. None of us will know till CCP ROUGE tells us.
Moral of the story, it won't hurt to have a few good EVE players.
Twitter @Matthew_Dust
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Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
2402
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Posted - 2014.02.28 04:10:00 -
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Dr PepperPoP wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:CookieStein wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:
I really fear the day where PC matches get randomly canceled just cuz some eve dude blew up a clone transfer...
*fixed No! When that happens, it'll be really stupid. No competitive fights anywhere cuz eve side will just blow up clones... Completely unfun. Around that time we'll be boarding EvE ships and hacking them from the inside to turn there cannons on friendlies. The neckbeards will kill you if you try that... 1k unsubs a day from EVE if that ever happens, Jita will burn, and CCP Iceland will brun.
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Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
2402
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Posted - 2014.02.28 04:11:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:CookieStein wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:
I really fear the day where PC matches get randomly canceled just cuz some eve dude blew up a clone transfer...
*fixed No! When that happens, it'll be really stupid. No competitive fights anywhere cuz eve side will just blow up clones... Completely unfun. I disagree, choose a good group to fight with, CFC, PL... umm... yeah...
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Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
2402
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Posted - 2014.02.28 04:14:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:Dr PepperPoP wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:CookieStein wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:
I really fear the day where PC matches get randomly canceled just cuz some eve dude blew up a clone transfer...
*fixed No! When that happens, it'll be really stupid. No competitive fights anywhere cuz eve side will just blow up clones... Completely unfun. Around that time we'll be boarding EvE ships and hacking them from the inside to turn there cannons on friendlies. I hope so... I wonder if we'll be able to upload things on eve ship to ruin their comms when all that comes out... Nothing like a good ole 10 hour "Yuki!!" To mess up their eve comms Only dumb fucks use EVE voice... Mumble or TS...
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ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
1126
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Posted - 2014.02.28 04:27:00 -
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Dr PepperPoP wrote: You shouldn't find anything ironic about it - Being in a merc group simply gives me first hand view on which corps can't win on there own.
And if it didn't matter why would I make a thread on the topic, and why would you reply to said thread?
If you're trying to troll you're going to find yourself out-classed here.
I guess class is in session you egomaniacle scrub, take out your pen and paper, try to keep up.
So here is how irony works. You thumb your nose up at me for being in ML who apparently cant win a match on their own without ringers, according to you. Yet you havent proven to be anythng but a big mouth, semi-decent player who follows the best around from corp to corp trying to be relevant...
So please tell me again why anyone should give anythng you say any more merit than, oh i dunno, how about rampage.
You bloated fool. I came to troll this self righteous thread because it deserved trolling,
Just because you make a thread about something doesnt mean it matters. Actually, since you are nothing more than a troll, always have been always will be, i can rest assured that pretty much everything you say is utter trash... Good for lols and nothing more.
lol outclassed in a trolling match. Seek help friend. |
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ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
1126
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Posted - 2014.02.28 04:30:00 -
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Oh and anime sucks... Nerd. |
Dr PepperPoP
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
43
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Posted - 2014.02.28 04:53:00 -
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ER-Bullitt wrote:Dr PepperPoP wrote: You shouldn't find anything ironic about it - Being in a merc group simply gives me first hand view on which corps can't win on there own.
And if it didn't matter why would I make a thread on the topic, and why would you reply to said thread?
If you're trying to troll you're going to find yourself out-classed here.
I guess class is in session you egomaniacle scrub, take out your pen and paper, try to keep up. So here is how irony works. You thumb your nose up at me for being in ML who apparently cant win a match on their own without ringers, according to you. Yet you havent proven to be anythng but a big mouth, semi-decent player who follows the best around from corp to corp trying to be relevant... So please tell me again why anyone should give anythng you say any more merit than, oh i dunno, how about rampage. You bloated fool. I came to troll this self righteous thread because it deserved trolling, Just because you make a thread about something doesnt mean it matters. Actually, since you are nothing more than a troll, always have been always will be, i can rest assured that pretty much everything you say is utter trash... Good for lols and nothing more. lol outclassed in a trolling match. Seek help friend. Just to make sure you understand your own logic - how are you any different then what you claim of me? Besides - you know - the difference of one of us usually being invited to the winning side, rather then having to seek out the winning side themselves.
Funny part is - calling me a bandwagoner. I've never sought out the corp I've been in accept ZTCD. Imps sought me out when I left ZTCD - and when TP realized I would fight for highest bidder they contacted me. If anything - my bandwagoning has shown that the best around consistently are willing to fight with me.
Now what about you? Nothing. You say I'm all talk on the forums - yet that's exactly where you are, not me. I've solved my grudges and had my matches against those I wanted - now I can sit back and just troll the forums with millions in my pocket, with millions more to come.
I'll be the first to admit after all my bragging I'm not the best heavy - Preston is, but how that is relevant to the discussion of how EvE and Dust will link and how it effects corps hiding behind EvE Alliance Tags - is beyond me. Or how anything you say is relevant - or how you yourself are.
Now go back to hiding behind your EvE guys while your dust side gets face stomped by 'band wagoners' Lol |
Spartacus Dust
The-Legionnaires The CORVOS
162
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Posted - 2014.02.28 04:57:00 -
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ER-Bullitt wrote:Oh and anime sucks... Nerd.
WOAH, careful sir, there are diplomatic problems to making claims like that :P
Anime does not suck, try legend of the galactic heroes, it's like EVE/DUST
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzwbChsGQcU
only ground soldiers also have axes/crossbows (due to the fact that they also have particle grenades that ignite entire hallways on fire if you shoot your laser gun)
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excillon
Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
275
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Posted - 2014.02.28 08:20:00 -
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Wow, nice topic...and I can actually explain some things given my unique position. Forgive me if part one sounds like a recruiting speech, but it does explain a lot.
Our alliance is big and powerful eve side. Hundreds of pilots, titans, lots of resources, etc. And we're in Null sec. The alliance is responsible for over 100 planets and their respective districts. There's a lot of wealth there. Not to mention we're actually recognized by CCP as being a part of in game lore with the RP community, being the official arm of the Ishukone corporation. As you can see, a huge amount of opportunities for a ton of corps to have good battles, make ungodly amounts of isk, etc.
Our problem: We're 30 jumps away from MH. Any ops take, because of logistics in eve, a ton of preparation and time. So basically, we keep a token force here, which is basically our guys who play both eve and dust, along with whomever is in the neighborhood or bored. Can we do eve support? Yeah. Can we bring in a lot? With notice, yeah. However, what a lot of people don't understand is that not only is it a lot of work moving that much stuff and ships, but we have minimal interest in MH, as do most large alliances. MH is a testing ground and resource builder (recruiting corps and troops for the day things get interesting). The problem is that people on here, rightfully so, don't care about null sec. They care about what they can have now, which is MH. I don't think they truly understand how big the map really is. And who can blame them? We maintain an interest, but like I said, we have eyes on the future, and finding like minded corps who are patient and waiting like we are is hard, nearly impossible. We've found 6 total. And while we are growing closer and more tight knit, it's still not enough to field 100 planets. The only reason IRED is even remotely active in Dust is because our executor is also like minded with an eye on the future, and believes Dust will be relevant and matter, so much so he's allocated a significant amount of resources for us when we do eventually head out to Null sec.
That being said, I see one of two things happening if and when the map opens up. Either we are going to see a bum rush of alliance applicants from Dust on a massive scale, including probably a few bigger corps, or we won't see anything, and spend a hell of a lot of time moving from district to district defending. No matter what happens, it should be really interesting.
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Dr PepperPoP
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
56
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Posted - 2014.02.28 08:28:00 -
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excillon wrote:Wow, nice topic...and I can actually explain some things given my unique position. Forgive me if part one sounds like a recruiting speech, but it does explain a lot.
Our alliance is big and powerful eve side. Hundreds of pilots, titans, lots of resources, etc. And we're in Null sec. The alliance is responsible for over 100 planets and their respective districts. There's a lot of wealth there. Not to mention we're actually recognized by CCP as being a part of in game lore with the RP community, being the official arm of the Ishukone corporation. As you can see, a huge amount of opportunities for a ton of corps to have good battles, make ungodly amounts of isk, etc.
Our problem: We're 30 jumps away from MH. Any ops take, because of logistics in eve, a ton of preparation and time. So basically, we keep a token force here, which is basically our guys who play both eve and dust, along with whomever is in the neighborhood or bored. Can we do eve support? Yeah. Can we bring in a lot? With notice, yeah. However, what a lot of people don't understand is that not only is it a lot of work moving that much stuff and ships, but we have minimal interest in MH, as do most large alliances. MH is a testing ground and resource builder (recruiting corps and troops for the day things get interesting). The problem is that people on here, rightfully so, don't care about null sec. They care about what they can have now, which is MH. I don't think they truly understand how big the map really is. And who can blame them? We maintain an interest, but like I said, we have eyes on the future, and finding like minded corps who are patient and waiting like we are is hard, nearly impossible. We've found 6 total. And while we are growing closer and more tight knit, it's still not enough to field 100 planets. The only reason IRED is even remotely active in Dust is because our executor is also like minded with an eye on the future, and believes Dust will be relevant and matter, so much so he's allocated a significant amount of resources for us when we do eventually head out to Null sec.
That being said, I see one of two things happening if and when the map opens up. Either we are going to see a bum rush of alliance applicants from Dust on a massive scale, including probably a few bigger corps, or we won't see anything, and spend a hell of a lot of time moving from district to district defending. No matter what happens, it should be really interesting.
Quick question:
CCP changes PC mechanic and now planets give resources you EvE guys find valuable. Dusters have to trade this resource to EvE guys for ISK tradable only through a certain system to assure a balanced purchase... causing EvE alliances to take interest in MH.
As your alliance comes to MH to take part in the valuable resource farming... they notice corps in your alliance dust side... can't win there offensives. Your alliance then hears of NF and there merc policy - what do they do? |
excillon
Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
275
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Posted - 2014.02.28 10:29:00 -
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Dr PepperPoP wrote:excillon wrote:Wow, nice topic...and I can actually explain some things given my unique position. Forgive me if part one sounds like a recruiting speech, but it does explain a lot.
Our alliance is big and powerful eve side. Hundreds of pilots, titans, lots of resources, etc. And we're in Null sec. The alliance is responsible for over 100 planets and their respective districts. There's a lot of wealth there. Not to mention we're actually recognized by CCP as being a part of in game lore with the RP community, being the official arm of the Ishukone corporation. As you can see, a huge amount of opportunities for a ton of corps to have good battles, make ungodly amounts of isk, etc.
Our problem: We're 30 jumps away from MH. Any ops take, because of logistics in eve, a ton of preparation and time. So basically, we keep a token force here, which is basically our guys who play both eve and dust, along with whomever is in the neighborhood or bored. Can we do eve support? Yeah. Can we bring in a lot? With notice, yeah. However, what a lot of people don't understand is that not only is it a lot of work moving that much stuff and ships, but we have minimal interest in MH, as do most large alliances. MH is a testing ground and resource builder (recruiting corps and troops for the day things get interesting). The problem is that people on here, rightfully so, don't care about null sec. They care about what they can have now, which is MH. I don't think they truly understand how big the map really is. And who can blame them? We maintain an interest, but like I said, we have eyes on the future, and finding like minded corps who are patient and waiting like we are is hard, nearly impossible. We've found 6 total. And while we are growing closer and more tight knit, it's still not enough to field 100 planets. The only reason IRED is even remotely active in Dust is because our executor is also like minded with an eye on the future, and believes Dust will be relevant and matter, so much so he's allocated a significant amount of resources for us when we do eventually head out to Null sec.
That being said, I see one of two things happening if and when the map opens up. Either we are going to see a bum rush of alliance applicants from Dust on a massive scale, including probably a few bigger corps, or we won't see anything, and spend a hell of a lot of time moving from district to district defending. No matter what happens, it should be really interesting.
Quick question: CCP changes PC mechanic and now planets give resources you EvE guys find valuable. Dusters have to trade this resource to EvE guys for ISK tradable only through a certain system to assure a balanced purchase... causing EvE alliances to take interest in MH. As your alliance comes to MH to take part in the valuable resource farming... they notice corps in your alliance dust side... can't win there offensives. Your alliance then hears of NF and there merc policy - what do they do?
LOL...I'm not an eve player. However, as a director, I've had to somewhat familiarize myself with some key aspects. I can tell you how IRED operates, and it's plans, but that's IRED only. I can't speak for any other groups.
As my CEO (who is an eve player as well as a Dust player and an IRED director) puts it: We believe in loyalty. That's how IRED has survived so long, and thrived. So even if NF was looking, sure, there's plenty of room for them. But not at the expense of corps who have joined, the corps who have been there from the beginning. Not saying one takes precedent over the other, but one wouldn't be more powerful than the other when it came to who gets a say in the alliance related issues and discussions. As I said in my other post, with over 100 planets and those corresponding districts, there's plenty of wealth to go around, without having to merc yourself out. While there may come a time when IRED needs to hire merc forces occasionally, the goal has always been to build a ground army. While NCM for instance is small, we are good at what we do. One of the main reasons we aren't PC active is because we do struggle to get people all on at the same time. I mean, we have plenty of proto capable guys, but with RL stuff, it's hard to coordinate. That's where the alliance comes into play. Maybe I couldn't make it to a PC on Friday night for example, but you could. You take my place, and maybe I take yours later when you can't make it. As far as winning, we can win just fine when we pull out the proto gear, and we have taken on the big boys and won doing that. Mainly, we don't believe in wasting it in pubs. So offensives we don't really worry about. Likewise for our other corps to slightly varying degrees. Our mistake is we probably waited too long to start recruiting.
As far as resources, I can tell you what I know. We have several intact deals with miners and manufacturers for goods, which breaks down to a percentage. For example, we protect group X. Group X in turn sells us dropsuits it makes at 30% to 40% per suit. Same for weapons, etc. We're fairly well diversified, and EXTREMELY business oriented of course being Caldari. I don't think MH will ever be valuable to us to be honest. We have everything it has and more waiting for us in Null sec. It's just a matter of time. The fleet will deter those who would try and attack, and if they still make it through, the ground guys will be there. We don't play this game for only wealth and ISK, or stats, We play like an army, to war, and to win are our goals. Expanding IRED's interests as far as we can manage them. So we're not really mercs, we're the beginnings of IRED's army.
I guess it's all wait and see. |
ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
1128
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Posted - 2014.02.28 14:37:00 -
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Dr PepperPoP wrote:Just to make sure you understand your own logic - how are you any different then what you claim of me? Besides - you know - the difference of one of us usually being invited to the winning side, rather then having to seek out the winning side themselves.
Not sure I understand.. I don't go around beating my chest on these forums like I am something special (you do) and making constant posts putting down other corporations (you do). That's the difference, I know my role, I know my place, and its in the middle somewhere. I don't piggy back the accomplishments of better players and come off all high and mighty like I did something special (you do). I may be a ****, but I'm not a douche (like you).
Dr PepperPoP wrote: Funny part is - calling me a bandwagoner. I've never sought out the corp I've been in accept ZTCD. Imps sought me out when I left ZTCD - and when TP realized I would fight for highest bidder they contacted me. If anything - my bandwagoning has shown that the best around consistently are willing to fight with me.
Now what about you? Nothing. You say I'm all talk on the forums - yet that's exactly where you are, not me. I've solved my grudges and had my matches against those I wanted - now I can sit back and just troll the forums with millions in my pocket, with millions more to come.
I'll be the first to admit after all my bragging I'm not the best heavy - Preston is, but how that is relevant to the discussion of how EvE and Dust will link and how it effects corps hiding behind EvE Alliance Tags - is beyond me. Or how anything you say is relevant - or how you yourself are.
Now go back to hiding behind your EvE guys while your dust side gets face stomped by 'band wagoners' Lol
I don't see much to respond to here so I will leave you with this
And just remember, not everyone is out there to bandwagon join the already established "best of the best". That has worked for you I guess and your "millions" lol (you don't really think people like me ever need to worry about isk in this game, do you?).. some of us enjoy the struggle of rising from the bottom, building and growing a corp, a team with likeminded individuals, just as much as we enjoy shooting red dots.
You can keep on beating your chest tho.. and I may have to come and **** in your cheerios again.
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On topic, like the previous poster said... its a wait and see scenario. A lot of things can and will probably change regarding PC soonTM. Obviously the current iteration has proven to be a bit broken. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
2994
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Posted - 2014.02.28 15:27:00 -
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PC is stuck in a death spiral because the mechanics allow for these small groups of players to dominate. An entire war can be swung in a different direction by hiring 15 guys. I don't blame the elite guys for wanting anything to change, but I think that is short sighted.
In the near term they could change the timers up to allow for battles to spin up within an hour of an attack and this would open up PC quite a bit. Also making clone packs cheaper. Perhaps CCP would have to monitor the issue with locking, but adding more information to who is attacking what would allow for us to self police and report violators.
I think making Dust matter to Eve is a big deal, but if I had to wager I think that connection will be the strongest in FW before PC.
If you go down to the base level, team play in Dust has eroded into complete crap. Over half the players in pubs are solo players. FW is a joke. There NEEDS to be a need for more players in PC. PC is too top heavy.
ML Director
Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
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Soraya Xel
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
1587
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Posted - 2014.02.28 15:40:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:In the near term they could change the timers up to allow for battles to spin up within an hour of an attack and this would open up PC quite a bit.
Or basically just ensure everyone had a job to be online every day. o.O And an hour warning is barely enough time to spin up a team for the match.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
1135
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Posted - 2014.02.28 15:48:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:In the near term they could change the timers up to allow for battles to spin up within an hour of an attack and this would open up PC quite a bit. Or basically just ensure everyone had a job to be online every day. o.O And an hour warning is barely enough time to spin up a team for the match.
I doubt many of the larger corps would have a problem throwing a team together. It could promote more folks getting invited into PC, but yeah I could see a potential problem for the smaller corps who have pooled together some of the better players this game has to offer and who currently have a strangle hold on PC as a whole. It would change the dynamics quite a bit... whats wrong with change? |
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Soraya Xel
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
1587
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Posted - 2014.02.28 16:07:00 -
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ER-Bullitt wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:In the near term they could change the timers up to allow for battles to spin up within an hour of an attack and this would open up PC quite a bit. Or basically just ensure everyone had a job to be online every day. o.O And an hour warning is barely enough time to spin up a team for the match. I doubt many of the larger corps would have a problem throwing a team together. It could promote more folks getting invited into PC, but yeah I could see a potential problem for the smaller corps who have pooled together some of the better players this game has to offer and who currently have a strangle hold on PC as a whole. It would change the dynamics quite a bit... whats wrong with change?
You need to be not just larger, but much larger if you're hoping to just have all the right roles to make up a team on at the right time. And it gets worse if you talk about CCP eventually increasing the team size in matches down the road. It's a logistical nightmare. Furthermore, while a day's notice gives us a fairly decent group of people to pick from, the early knowledge of opponent also affects our team comp. We often field are newer players against n00bier corps who attack us, for example. The shorter you make that notice, the less options corps have for management.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
1136
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Posted - 2014.02.28 16:15:00 -
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Which would make it a lot more like "war" instead of "planned parenthood".
I cant see much merit in your argument that corps wouldn't be able to put together suitable teams because both sides would be hindered by that dilemma. Forced to re-evaluate their PC approach, corp size, alliance, eve support.. instead of shipping 200 million isk to better players to save their land.. tomorrow.
Individual players would need to be more concerned with filling multiple roles, which will become easier the older the game gets and the more skill points people acquire. I am a semi-casual player, but I have played for over a year now... and even I can put together two proto suits to fill a few different roles.
Just a thought, not right or wrong. Thanks for sharing your opinion.
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Soraya Xel
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
1587
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Posted - 2014.02.28 17:06:00 -
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Incorrect. Only the defender would be so hindered. It would make it near impossible to reasonably defend your territory.
Veterans acquire more skill points, sure, but you're also talking about increasing the barrier to entry for new players as well.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
1137
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Posted - 2014.02.28 17:18:00 -
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Ok I see where you are coming from. If districts are open to attack at any time during a 24 hour day, this would be true. But this poses the next question, why is that a bad thing? Normally in a war scenario, the attackers do and should have the upper hand regarding when a fight takes place.. since, ya know, they choose when to attack.
Edit: Perhaps having more options for battle.. for example: instant surprise attack... 120 clones. 1 hour prep time regular attack... 180 clones. 3 hour prep time All out war... 300 clones. 24 hour prep time (this type of battle could last quite a bit longer than a typical PC battle today, maybe 30-45 minutes of straight fighting)
Defenders benefit from being entrenched, ie. having more clones, knowing their land better than their opponents.. perhaps defenders would have the ability to pick map, infrastructure, or choose some sort of other bonus to be applied during battle.. say a small incrase to damage dealt to enemy MCC, or 5% increase to HP, or some other benefit to the defending troops.. call it a defensive buff. These decisions could be made during the 1 hour window from when the attacker initiates the attack, and the battle begins.
This would promote utilizing friendly ties within game a lot more now, and on the spot. Alliances would be more useful, relationships would be built or shattered, meta, spying, awoxing, etc etc.
Assuming this would be the case, and a defending corporation cannot put together a defensive force and they lose their district. The next day they attack back, and assuming the attacker always have the upper hand now the shoe is on the other foot.
What does this promote? More fights, more isk being spent, more activity, and perhaps more fun.
Now regarding your part about increasing the barrier for new players... not sure I understand how that would work. If corporations are inundated with defenses and attacks, logically they would need more players to field for these battles. hence, invite players whom you would not normally invite.. because they either are too new, too inexperienced, have bad breath, whatever.
My position is to figure out a way where the top 100 players in the game no longer have the ability to monopolize the entire board due to restrictive, planned parenthood battles, where it simply takes a small amount of incentive (isk) to convince these top players to fight everyones battles for them.
If you like having that as an option, then we do not hold the same views for what PC should, or could be. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
2995
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Posted - 2014.02.28 17:21:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Incorrect. Only the defender would be so hindered. It would make it near impossible to reasonably defend your territory.
Veterans acquire more skill points, sure, but you're also talking about increasing the barrier to entry for new players as well.
How can you have a Sandbox game if you get 24-48 hours to prepare for a FPS fight?
You'd have to take the passive ISK out of the equation and make the payouts about the battles. Payout multipliers for transferring clones and defending attacks. Successful defenses lead to incrementally increased multipliers with each successful defense.
This has been discussed elsewhere at length. You'd have to be able to set a window of downtime. I think it would be good for them to start at 8 hours and be upgradable (similar to changing infrastructure now) to 12 hours.
If you were a small elite corp you might only keep 4 or 5 districts. You could also create a way for district ownership to be transferred/sold so that they could offload captured districts without creating a situation where they have more territory than they can defend.
ML Director
Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
2995
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Posted - 2014.02.28 17:35:00 -
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Molon Labe can field 2 or 3 teams with +2.0 KDR. There are peak times when we could field 5 or 6 teams if everyone were to team up for some battles.
It would be a lot of fun if people could hop on and take part in PC in a more fluid manner. Because of the fluidity of it you wouldn't be facing a team of ringers 90% of the time.
There would be a LOT of action in PC if this were the case because the ISK would be tied to fighting instead of passive accrual.
ML Director
Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
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Soraya Xel
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
1587
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Posted - 2014.02.28 17:49:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:You'd have to take the passive ISK out of the equation and make the payouts about the battles. Payout multipliers for transferring clones and defending attacks. Successful defenses lead to incrementally increased multipliers with each successful defense.
In this part we agree. Honestly, holding districts should actually cost you maintenance fees per district. But active use of the district should generate enough profit to cover those costs.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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Captain Magenta
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2014.02.28 18:18:00 -
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ER-Bullitt wrote:Oh and anime sucks... Nerd.
Have to agree with you on that one. Never understood peoples obsession with it.
It's soooooooooooo lame. |
Dr PepperPoP
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
68
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Posted - 2014.02.28 18:23:00 -
[49] - Quote
Captain Magenta wrote:ER-Bullitt wrote:Oh and anime sucks... Nerd. Have to agree with you on that one. Never understood peoples obsession with it. It's soooooooooooo lame. Get on your main and say that. |
Captain Magenta
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2014.03.01 01:24:00 -
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Dr PepperPoP wrote:Captain Magenta wrote:ER-Bullitt wrote:Oh and anime sucks... Nerd. Have to agree with you on that one. Never understood peoples obsession with it. It's soooooooooooo lame. Get on your main and say that.
Is this your new main?
With so many forum alts, it's so hard to tell. |
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Spartacus Dust
The-Legionnaires The CORVOS
166
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Posted - 2014.03.01 08:49:00 -
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IF EVE did matter in PC, like it really mattered a lot, like DUST became the new R64 Moons, I promise, the CFC will dominate all as they do in EVE, the gruesome reality, your districts will exist only because they allow it or they view you as insignificant. All that being said if there is gonna be any band wagons once DUST is relevant in EVE it will be everyone fleeing to Top Men. or another CFC affiliated alliance.
Though I am curious to see where those with "Connections" to Nulli and NC. go. I had a lot of people talk about Insidious Empire, even we were offered positions there when we were in PHX, but they disbanded recently.
Twitter @Matthew_Dust
Candidate for the CPM1 One Universe//One War
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Arunis Gen
G I A N T General Tso's Alliance
106
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Posted - 2014.03.01 09:45:00 -
[52] - Quote
Spartacus Dust wrote:IF EVE did matter in PC, like it really mattered a lot, like DUST became the new R64 Moons, I promise, the CFC will dominate all as they do in EVE, the gruesome reality, your districts will exist only because they allow it or they view you as insignificant. All that being said if there is gonna be any band wagons once DUST is relevant in EVE it will be everyone fleeing to Top Men. or another CFC affiliated alliance.
Though I am curious to see where those with "Connections" to Nulli and NC. go. I had a lot of people talk about Insidious Empire, even we were offered positions there when we were in PHX, but they disbanded recently.
I'm sure we're all very thankful Mittens and his army are gracious enough to let Dust 514 be Dust 514 and not Goon 514.
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Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
2405
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Posted - 2014.03.01 21:21:00 -
[53] - Quote
Arunis Gen wrote:Spartacus Dust wrote:IF EVE did matter in PC, like it really mattered a lot, like DUST became the new R64 Moons, I promise, the CFC will dominate all as they do in EVE, the gruesome reality, your districts will exist only because they allow it or they view you as insignificant. All that being said if there is gonna be any band wagons once DUST is relevant in EVE it will be everyone fleeing to Top Men. or another CFC affiliated alliance.
Though I am curious to see where those with "Connections" to Nulli and NC. go. I had a lot of people talk about Insidious Empire, even we were offered positions there when we were in PHX, but they disbanded recently.
I'm sure we're all very thankful Mittens and his army are gracious enough to let Dust 514 be Dust 514 and not Goon 514. NF joins PL Most "mid-tier" goes CFC TEST gets pissed on and N3 will still continue to be hell camped. (Okay It's a screensaver anymore it doesn't change, I want to see a fight...)
Listen
I'll change the song every week
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Arunis Gen
G I A N T General Tso's Alliance
107
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Posted - 2014.03.01 21:28:00 -
[54] - Quote
Killar-12 wrote:Arunis Gen wrote:Spartacus Dust wrote:IF EVE did matter in PC, like it really mattered a lot, like DUST became the new R64 Moons, I promise, the CFC will dominate all as they do in EVE, the gruesome reality, your districts will exist only because they allow it or they view you as insignificant. All that being said if there is gonna be any band wagons once DUST is relevant in EVE it will be everyone fleeing to Top Men. or another CFC affiliated alliance.
Though I am curious to see where those with "Connections" to Nulli and NC. go. I had a lot of people talk about Insidious Empire, even we were offered positions there when we were in PHX, but they disbanded recently.
I'm sure we're all very thankful Mittens and his army are gracious enough to let Dust 514 be Dust 514 and not Goon 514. NF joins PL Most "mid-tier" goes CFC TEST gets pissed on and N3 will still continue to be hell camped. (Okay It's a screensaver anymore it doesn't change, I want to see a fight...)
General Tso's Alliance will continue to be General Tso's Alliance, the worst alliance ever for the last 5 years.
~_~-G I A N T for Life-~_~
~_~-Head Diplomat-~_~
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Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
2405
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Posted - 2014.03.01 21:29:00 -
[55] - Quote
Arunis Gen wrote:Killar-12 wrote:Arunis Gen wrote:Spartacus Dust wrote:IF EVE did matter in PC, like it really mattered a lot, like DUST became the new R64 Moons, I promise, the CFC will dominate all as they do in EVE, the gruesome reality, your districts will exist only because they allow it or they view you as insignificant. All that being said if there is gonna be any band wagons once DUST is relevant in EVE it will be everyone fleeing to Top Men. or another CFC affiliated alliance.
Though I am curious to see where those with "Connections" to Nulli and NC. go. I had a lot of people talk about Insidious Empire, even we were offered positions there when we were in PHX, but they disbanded recently.
I'm sure we're all very thankful Mittens and his army are gracious enough to let Dust 514 be Dust 514 and not Goon 514. NF joins PL Most "mid-tier" goes CFC TEST gets pissed on and N3 will still continue to be hell camped. (Okay It's a screensaver anymore it doesn't change, I want to see a fight...) General Tso's Alliance will continue to be General Tso's Alliance, the worst alliance ever for the last 5 years. I say most, not all I'd expect a few to come for fights and for ISK
Listen
I'll change the song every week
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Dr PepperPoP
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
75
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Posted - 2014.03.01 21:31:00 -
[56] - Quote
Arunis Gen wrote:Killar-12 wrote:Arunis Gen wrote:Spartacus Dust wrote:IF EVE did matter in PC, like it really mattered a lot, like DUST became the new R64 Moons, I promise, the CFC will dominate all as they do in EVE, the gruesome reality, your districts will exist only because they allow it or they view you as insignificant. All that being said if there is gonna be any band wagons once DUST is relevant in EVE it will be everyone fleeing to Top Men. or another CFC affiliated alliance.
Though I am curious to see where those with "Connections" to Nulli and NC. go. I had a lot of people talk about Insidious Empire, even we were offered positions there when we were in PHX, but they disbanded recently.
I'm sure we're all very thankful Mittens and his army are gracious enough to let Dust 514 be Dust 514 and not Goon 514. NF joins PL Most "mid-tier" goes CFC TEST gets pissed on and N3 will still continue to be hell camped. (Okay It's a screensaver anymore it doesn't change, I want to see a fight...) General Tso's Alliance will continue to be General Tso's Alliance, the best tasting alliance ever for the last 5 years. Fixed for accuracy. |
CookieStein
G I A N T General Tso's Alliance
239
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Posted - 2014.03.01 21:37:00 -
[57] - Quote
Dr PepperPoP wrote:Arunis Gen wrote:Killar-12 wrote:Arunis Gen wrote:Spartacus Dust wrote:IF EVE did matter in PC, like it really mattered a lot, like DUST became the new R64 Moons, I promise, the CFC will dominate all as they do in EVE, the gruesome reality, your districts will exist only because they allow it or they view you as insignificant. All that being said if there is gonna be any band wagons once DUST is relevant in EVE it will be everyone fleeing to Top Men. or another CFC affiliated alliance.
Though I am curious to see where those with "Connections" to Nulli and NC. go. I had a lot of people talk about Insidious Empire, even we were offered positions there when we were in PHX, but they disbanded recently.
I'm sure we're all very thankful Mittens and his army are gracious enough to let Dust 514 be Dust 514 and not Goon 514. NF joins PL Most "mid-tier" goes CFC TEST gets pissed on and N3 will still continue to be hell camped. (Okay It's a screensaver anymore it doesn't change, I want to see a fight...) General Tso's Alliance will continue to be General Tso's Alliance, the best tasting alliance ever for the last 5 years. Fixed for accuracy. aww you like the taste of 3XXXD |
Dr PepperPoP
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
75
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Posted - 2014.03.01 21:51:00 -
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CookieStein wrote: aww you like the taste of 3XXXD
o.o
Why does that seem so wrong? |
CookieStein
G I A N T General Tso's Alliance
240
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Posted - 2014.03.01 21:54:00 -
[59] - Quote
Dr PepperPoP wrote:CookieStein wrote: aww you like the taste of 3XXXD
o.o Why does that seem so wrong? i don't judge bro |
Arunis Gen
G I A N T General Tso's Alliance
108
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Posted - 2014.03.01 22:05:00 -
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CookieStein wrote:Dr PepperPoP wrote:CookieStein wrote: aww you like the taste of 3XXXD
o.o Why does that seem so wrong? i don't judge bro
We don't judge. We all like the 3XXXD.
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