DUST Search - Will EvE mattering change things?

Dr PepperPoP wrote:

excillon wrote:

Wow, nice topic...and I can actually explain some things given my unique position. Forgive me if part one sounds like a recruiting speech, but it does explain a lot.

Our alliance is big and powerful eve side. Hundreds of pilots, titans, lots of resources, etc. And we're in Null sec. The alliance is responsible for over 100 planets and their respective districts. There's a lot of wealth there. Not to mention we're actually recognized by CCP as being a part of in game lore with the RP community, being the official arm of the Ishukone corporation. As you can see, a huge amount of opportunities for a ton of corps to have good battles, make ungodly amounts of isk, etc.

Our problem: We're 30 jumps away from MH. Any ops take, because of logistics in eve, a ton of preparation and time. So basically, we keep a token force here, which is basically our guys who play both eve and dust, along with whomever is in the neighborhood or bored. Can we do eve support? Yeah. Can we bring in a lot? With notice, yeah. However, what a lot of people don't understand is that not only is it a lot of work moving that much stuff and ships, but we have minimal interest in MH, as do most large alliances. MH is a testing ground and resource builder (recruiting corps and troops for the day things get interesting). The problem is that people on here, rightfully so, don't care about null sec. They care about what they can have now, which is MH. I don't think they truly understand how big the map really is. And who can blame them? We maintain an interest, but like I said, we have eyes on the future, and finding like minded corps who are patient and waiting like we are is hard, nearly impossible. We've found 6 total. And while we are growing closer and more tight knit, it's still not enough to field 100 planets. The only reason IRED is even remotely active in Dust is because our executor is also like minded with an eye on the future, and believes Dust will be relevant and matter, so much so he's allocated a significant amount of resources for us when we do eventually head out to Null sec.

That being said, I see one of two things happening if and when the map opens up. Either we are going to see a bum rush of alliance applicants from Dust on a massive scale, including probably a few bigger corps, or we won't see anything, and spend a hell of a lot of time moving from district to district defending. No matter what happens, it should be really interesting.

Quick question:

CCP changes PC mechanic and now planets give resources you EvE guys find valuable. Dusters have to trade this resource to EvE guys for ISK tradable only through a certain system to assure a balanced purchase... causing EvE alliances to take interest in MH.

As your alliance comes to MH to take part in the valuable resource farming... they notice corps in your alliance dust side... can't win there offensives. Your alliance then hears of NF and there merc policy - what do they do?


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excillon Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 275	Posted - 2014.02.28 08:20:00 - [1] - Quote Wow, nice topic...and I can actually explain some things given my unique position. Forgive me if part one sounds like a recruiting speech, but it does explain a lot. Our alliance is big and powerful eve side. Hundreds of pilots, titans, lots of resources, etc. And we're in Null sec. The alliance is responsible for over 100 planets and their respective districts. There's a lot of wealth there. Not to mention we're actually recognized by CCP as being a part of in game lore with the RP community, being the official arm of the Ishukone corporation. As you can see, a huge amount of opportunities for a ton of corps to have good battles, make ungodly amounts of isk, etc. Our problem: We're 30 jumps away from MH. Any ops take, because of logistics in eve, a ton of preparation and time. So basically, we keep a token force here, which is basically our guys who play both eve and dust, along with whomever is in the neighborhood or bored. Can we do eve support? Yeah. Can we bring in a lot? With notice, yeah. However, what a lot of people don't understand is that not only is it a lot of work moving that much stuff and ships, but we have minimal interest in MH, as do most large alliances. MH is a testing ground and resource builder (recruiting corps and troops for the day things get interesting). The problem is that people on here, rightfully so, don't care about null sec. They care about what they can have now, which is MH. I don't think they truly understand how big the map really is. And who can blame them? We maintain an interest, but like I said, we have eyes on the future, and finding like minded corps who are patient and waiting like we are is hard, nearly impossible. We've found 6 total. And while we are growing closer and more tight knit, it's still not enough to field 100 planets. The only reason IRED is even remotely active in Dust is because our executor is also like minded with an eye on the future, and believes Dust will be relevant and matter, so much so he's allocated a significant amount of resources for us when we do eventually head out to Null sec. That being said, I see one of two things happening if and when the map opens up. Either we are going to see a bum rush of alliance applicants from Dust on a massive scale, including probably a few bigger corps, or we won't see anything, and spend a hell of a lot of time moving from district to district defending. No matter what happens, it should be really interesting.
excillon Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 275	Posted - 2014.02.28 10:29:00 - [2] - Quote Dr PepperPoP wrote: excillon wrote: Wow, nice topic...and I can actually explain some things given my unique position. Forgive me if part one sounds like a recruiting speech, but it does explain a lot. Our alliance is big and powerful eve side. Hundreds of pilots, titans, lots of resources, etc. And we're in Null sec. The alliance is responsible for over 100 planets and their respective districts. There's a lot of wealth there. Not to mention we're actually recognized by CCP as being a part of in game lore with the RP community, being the official arm of the Ishukone corporation. As you can see, a huge amount of opportunities for a ton of corps to have good battles, make ungodly amounts of isk, etc. Our problem: We're 30 jumps away from MH. Any ops take, because of logistics in eve, a ton of preparation and time. So basically, we keep a token force here, which is basically our guys who play both eve and dust, along with whomever is in the neighborhood or bored. Can we do eve support? Yeah. Can we bring in a lot? With notice, yeah. However, what a lot of people don't understand is that not only is it a lot of work moving that much stuff and ships, but we have minimal interest in MH, as do most large alliances. MH is a testing ground and resource builder (recruiting corps and troops for the day things get interesting). The problem is that people on here, rightfully so, don't care about null sec. They care about what they can have now, which is MH. I don't think they truly understand how big the map really is. And who can blame them? We maintain an interest, but like I said, we have eyes on the future, and finding like minded corps who are patient and waiting like we are is hard, nearly impossible. We've found 6 total. And while we are growing closer and more tight knit, it's still not enough to field 100 planets. The only reason IRED is even remotely active in Dust is because our executor is also like minded with an eye on the future, and believes Dust will be relevant and matter, so much so he's allocated a significant amount of resources for us when we do eventually head out to Null sec. That being said, I see one of two things happening if and when the map opens up. Either we are going to see a bum rush of alliance applicants from Dust on a massive scale, including probably a few bigger corps, or we won't see anything, and spend a hell of a lot of time moving from district to district defending. No matter what happens, it should be really interesting. Quick question: CCP changes PC mechanic and now planets give resources you EvE guys find valuable. Dusters have to trade this resource to EvE guys for ISK tradable only through a certain system to assure a balanced purchase... causing EvE alliances to take interest in MH. As your alliance comes to MH to take part in the valuable resource farming... they notice corps in your alliance dust side... can't win there offensives. Your alliance then hears of NF and there merc policy - what do they do? LOL...I'm not an eve player. However, as a director, I've had to somewhat familiarize myself with some key aspects. I can tell you how IRED operates, and it's plans, but that's IRED only. I can't speak for any other groups. As my CEO (who is an eve player as well as a Dust player and an IRED director) puts it: We believe in loyalty. That's how IRED has survived so long, and thrived. So even if NF was looking, sure, there's plenty of room for them. But not at the expense of corps who have joined, the corps who have been there from the beginning. Not saying one takes precedent over the other, but one wouldn't be more powerful than the other when it came to who gets a say in the alliance related issues and discussions. As I said in my other post, with over 100 planets and those corresponding districts, there's plenty of wealth to go around, without having to merc yourself out. While there may come a time when IRED needs to hire merc forces occasionally, the goal has always been to build a ground army. While NCM for instance is small, we are good at what we do. One of the main reasons we aren't PC active is because we do struggle to get people all on at the same time. I mean, we have plenty of proto capable guys, but with RL stuff, it's hard to coordinate. That's where the alliance comes into play. Maybe I couldn't make it to a PC on Friday night for example, but you could. You take my place, and maybe I take yours later when you can't make it. As far as winning, we can win just fine when we pull out the proto gear, and we have taken on the big boys and won doing that. Mainly, we don't believe in wasting it in pubs. So offensives we don't really worry about. Likewise for our other corps to slightly varying degrees. Our mistake is we probably waited too long to start recruiting. As far as resources, I can tell you what I know. We have several intact deals with miners and manufacturers for goods, which breaks down to a percentage. For example, we protect group X. Group X in turn sells us dropsuits it makes at 30% to 40% per suit. Same for weapons, etc. We're fairly well diversified, and EXTREMELY business oriented of course being Caldari. I don't think MH will ever be valuable to us to be honest. We have everything it has and more waiting for us in Null sec. It's just a matter of time. The fleet will deter those who would try and attack, and if they still make it through, the ground guys will be there. We don't play this game for only wealth and ISK, or stats, We play like an army, to war, and to win are our goals. Expanding IRED's interests as far as we can manage them. So we're not really mercs, we're the beginnings of IRED's army. I guess it's all wait and see.