DUST Search - Scrambler Rifle is more OP than the TAC AR of old

Izlare Lenix wrote:

I use the CRW extensively and have tested the rof many times. I don't use the Amarr assault though. On my Caldari assault the average amount of shots I can get clicking trigger as fast as I can click is 16. And then the weapon seizes due to overheat. The most I have ever achieved is 20 shoots before overheat and that was shooting very slow, like one shoot a second.

If I can get 16, than a max skilled Amarr assault might get 20 or 21 shoots, which is still only half a clip. So your fantasy of that guy emptying an entire clip in a second is grossly over stated.

The ScR is a high alpha weapon. In most 1v1 fights a scrambler will win. Also the ScR does require better aim because ever shoot counts due to overheat. I prefer to use the CR in cqc because when I use the ScR, I often have to switch to my sidearm to prevent overheating.

Every other rifle allows you to empty the clip and the switch to a sidearm if needed. Due to overheat, I am often switching back and forth between my ScR and my SMG. this overheat mechanic is the best balancing mechanic in the game and makes the ScR strong in 1v1 but weaker against multiply targets.

The ScR is strong, but it is not OP. how can a weapon that constantly forces me to switch to a sidearm be OP?

"Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha

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Rinzler XVIII Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 129	Posted - 2014.02.26 22:48:00 - [1] - Quote Give it a ROF cap .. that is all it needs The same guy seemed to be able to rapid fire nearly his entire clip of the SCR in under a second, honestly it was so fast you couldn't even tell the gap in the light between the bullets .. Look I know some of the vets will say 'it takes skill' .. but that is not the point i'm trying to make .. Why can a semi auto weapon be able to be fired faster than its assault variant ?? The normal SCR has higher damage and range than the assault variant already and if you can then bypass the reason for using the assault variant (higher ROF) by using a modded pad or spamming R1 then it is clearly broken !! Capping the ROF just like the TAC AR had done to it and nothing else would stop this abuse taking place, the SCR is most definitely the weapon most abused by modded pad users and don't tell me .. heat build up stops it being able to be used on modded pads .. it doesn't .. you can change settings on it to make sure it doesn't. It should be bam ..... bam ..... bam ..... bam ..... not b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-bam If it isn't added in 1.8 i'm buying a modded pad and skilling into the damn thing
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1772	Posted - 2014.02.26 22:58:00 - [2] - Quote Was this an Amarr Assault? You can't fire more than 15 shots without overheating, unless you're pacing the trigger pulls... I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
Izlare Lenix FREE AGENTS LP 172	Posted - 2014.02.26 23:02:00 - [3] - Quote I use the CRW extensively and have tested the rof many times. I don't use the Amarr assault though. On my Caldari assault the average amount of shots I can get clicking trigger as fast as I can click is 16. And then the weapon seizes due to overheat. The most I have ever achieved is 20 shoots before overheat and that was shooting very slow, like one shoot a second. If I can get 16, than a max skilled Amarr assault might get 20 or 21 shoots, which is still only half a clip. So your fantasy of that guy emptying an entire clip in a second is grossly over stated. The ScR is a high alpha weapon. In most 1v1 fights a scrambler will win. Also the ScR does require better aim because ever shoot counts due to overheat. I prefer to use the CR in cqc because when I use the ScR, I often have to switch to my sidearm to prevent overheating. Every other rifle allows you to empty the clip and the switch to a sidearm if needed. Due to overheat, I am often switching back and forth between my ScR and my SMG. this overheat mechanic is the best balancing mechanic in the game and makes the ScR strong in 1v1 but weaker against multiply targets. The ScR is strong, but it is not OP. how can a weapon that constantly forces me to switch to a sidearm be OP? Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2144	Posted - 2014.02.26 23:05:00 - [4] - Quote Implausible. Pics or it didn't happen. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7638	Posted - 2014.02.26 23:08:00 - [5] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: I use the CRW extensively and have tested the rof many times. I don't use the Amarr assault though. On my Caldari assault the average amount of shots I can get clicking trigger as fast as I can click is 16. And then the weapon seizes due to overheat. The most I have ever achieved is 20 shoots before overheat and that was shooting very slow, like one shoot a second. If I can get 16, than a max skilled Amarr assault might get 20 or 21 shoots, which is still only half a clip. So your fantasy of that guy emptying an entire clip in a second is grossly over stated. The ScR is a high alpha weapon. In most 1v1 fights a scrambler will win. Also the ScR does require better aim because ever shoot counts due to overheat. I prefer to use the CR in cqc because when I use the ScR, I often have to switch to my sidearm to prevent overheating. Every other rifle allows you to empty the clip and the switch to a sidearm if needed. Due to overheat, I am often switching back and forth between my ScR and my SMG. this overheat mechanic is the best balancing mechanic in the game and makes the ScR strong in 1v1 but weaker against multiply targets. The ScR is strong, but it is not OP. how can a weapon that constantly forces me to switch to a sidearm be OP? I also extensively use it with the Amarr Assault and even then I am, when engaging an enemy very wary of how they move. Missing shots is the difference between successful fights being wins or losses. However I also make heavy use of the Combat Rifle.... with that am not so careful, I have a large amount of Dakka to throw down range and very good hit fire, missing is forgving, as I have massive RoF and Burst/Auto to compensate. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 10109	Posted - 2014.02.26 23:12:00 - [6] - Quote Rinzler XVIII wrote: Give it a ROF cap .. that is all it needs The same guy seemed to be able to rapid fire nearly his entire clip of the SCR in under a second, honestly it was so fast you couldn't even tell the gap in the light between the bullets .. Impossible. You will overheat before you are halfway through the clip. Quote: Why can a semi auto weapon be able to be fired faster than its assault variant ?? It can't be. The RoF is capped at about 10 shots per second. Quote: The normal SCR has higher damage and range than the assault variant already and if you can then bypass the reason for using the assault variant (higher ROF) by using a modded pad or spamming R1 then it is clearly broken !! Modded pads are a problem, but it's generally not possible for people to push the trigger 10 times per second consistently whilst in combat. Quote: Capping the ROF just like the TAC AR had done to it and nothing else would stop this abuse taking place, the SCR is most definitely the weapon most abused by modded pad users and don't tell me .. heat build up stops it being able to be used on modded pads .. it doesn't .. you can change settings on it to make sure it doesn't. The TAR currently has a painful amount of oversampling and is a generally terrible weapon. You're probably quite right saying that the SCR is abused by modded controllers, but overheat is a better mechanic for combating that than causing normal users to suffer oversampling issues. By the way, please show me the modded controller which disables overheat. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Lv2spd2 Slow And Old 212	Posted - 2014.02.26 23:12:00 - [7] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: ED: You addressed this in your OP, I guess. How is the heat build-up bypassed? Sounds like an exploit. You start by purposely overheating the gun. After that there is a way to glitch/cancel the overheat animation but the rapid cooldown remains in effect. I suspect it would be against the forum rules to explain exactly how. After you do that you can fire the whole clip as fast as you like, because the heat build up will not overcome the much faster than usual cooldown. But if the heat level does reach 0, you have to start over. I agree, it is an exploit. I also have no idea if this is the particular glitch/exploit that he means.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 10109	Posted - 2014.02.26 23:14:00 - [8] - Quote Lv2spd2 wrote: Disturbingly Bored wrote: ED: You addressed this in your OP, I guess. How is the heat build-up bypassed? Sounds like an exploit. You start by purposely overheating the gun. After that there is a way to glitch/cancel the overheat animation but the rapid cooldown remains in effect. I suspect it would be against the forum rules to explain exactly how. After you do that you can fire the whole clip as fast as you like, because the heat build up will not overcome the much faster than usual cooldown. But if the heat level does reach 0, you have to start over. I agree, it is an exploit. This has been fixed as of 1.7. Previously, after overheating you could crouch and then sprint, much like you could cancel the scanner animation by sprinting. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Aisha Ctarl Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3598	Posted - 2014.02.26 23:15:00 - [9] - Quote I'm sick of even trying to get you people to stop with the SCR is OP threads, so I'm gonna be blunt. Go die OP. Yeah, Aisha just got real dark. I could list the ways how we Amarr are better than you, but your lesser mind wouldn't comprehend it.
Derpty Derp It's All Gone Derp 41	Posted - 2014.02.26 23:15:00 - [10] - Quote All the semi-auto weapons need to force a gap between shots, it is a broken mechanic as the op stated. If this causes weapons to be underpowered then change the damage, but it needs sorting and will also solve the problem of turbo controllers.

Lv2spd2 Slow And Old 212	Posted - 2014.02.26 23:17:00 - [11] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Lv2spd2 wrote: Disturbingly Bored wrote: ED: You addressed this in your OP, I guess. How is the heat build-up bypassed? Sounds like an exploit. You start by purposely overheating the gun. After that there is a way to glitch/cancel the overheat animation but the rapid cooldown remains in effect. I suspect it would be against the forum rules to explain exactly how. After you do that you can fire the whole clip as fast as you like, because the heat build up will not overcome the much faster than usual cooldown. But if the heat level does reach 0, you have to start over. I agree, it is an exploit. This has been fixed as of 1.7. Previously, after overheating you could crouch and then sprint, much like you could cancel the scanner animation by sprinting. Oh good.
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core 527	Posted - 2014.02.26 23:19:00 - [12] - Quote if you did have a turbo controller, basic Scr dps= 847.08 with no damage modes or prof, while doing 677.664 DPS to armor 1016.5 DPS to shields. if you didnt have a turbo to reach that, say you were firing at 550 instead 700(which is easily achievable with just a controller) Basic Scr DPS= 660 528 DPS to armor 792 DPS to shileds if it was as slow as 400RPM max(as fast as a breach AR and Tac ar fires now) BasicSCr dps = 480 384 DPS to armor 576 DPS to shields The weapon is OP A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 10109	Posted - 2014.02.26 23:22:00 - [13] - Quote Johnny Guilt wrote: if you did have a turbo controller, basic Scr dps= 847.08 with no damage modes or prof, while doing 677.664 DPS to armor 1016.5 DPS to shields. if you didnt have a turbo to reach that, say you were firing at 550 instead 700(which is easily achievable with just a controller) That requires you hitting the button at 9 times per second. That's not actually that realistic to achieve consistently. Quote: Basic Scr DPS= 660 528 DPS to armor 792 DPS to shileds if it was as slow as 400RPM max(as fast as a breach AR and Tac ar fires now) BasicSCr dps = 480 384 DPS to armor 576 DPS to shields I don't think the first number is unreasonable given that the weapon overheats rather than keeps firing. It gets a decent DPS advantage having traded that off. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Rinzler XVIII Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 131	Posted - 2014.02.26 23:23:00 - [14] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: I'm sick of even trying to get you people to stop with the SCR is OP threads, so I'm gonna be blunt. Go die OP. Yeah, Aisha just got real dark. That's just an instant report Disgraceful and out of order .. requesting a ROF cap to prevent modded pad abuse is no excuse to tell someone to go die
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 10109	Posted - 2014.02.26 23:24:00 - [15] - Quote Rinzler XVIII wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: I'm sick of even trying to get you people to stop with the SCR is OP threads, so I'm gonna be blunt. Go die OP. Yeah, Aisha just got real dark. That's just an instant report Disgraceful and out of order .. requesting a ROF cap to prevent modded pad abuse is no excuse to tell someone to go die I find this hilarious coming from someone who's been banned... how many times now? 2? 3? More? You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Rusty Shallows 1042	Posted - 2014.02.26 23:27:00 - [16] - Quote Rinzler XVIII wrote: snip If it isn't added in 1.8 i'm buying a modded pad and skilling into the damn thing Everyone should consider a programmable peripheral device. Modded controller or mouse it doesn't matter. An easy part of the game to exploit of what is normally consider skill-based. I'm sure CCP will fine tune that area someday but it will be a long time from now. Don't get too excited on the Scrambler Rifles. I wouldn't put it past CCP to make the Amar Assault Frame a requirement to get around whatever "toning down" that will be happening for most weapons. Just look at the impending changes to the Logistics & Equipment dynamics. Here, have some candy and a Like. :-) Forums > Game
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1302	Posted - 2014.02.26 23:27:00 - [17] - Quote The ScR doesn't take any skill. It takes as much skill as a CR since they both fire as fast as you can pull the trigger. Anyways, a RoF cap might be for the better. I agree with OP. If you really want OP though, head to the assault aile. Every section from CR to RR to ScR is there. AR is at discount price.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1303	Posted - 2014.02.26 23:30:00 - [18] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Johnny Guilt wrote: if you did have a turbo controller, basic Scr dps= 847.08 with no damage modes or prof, while doing 677.664 DPS to armor 1016.5 DPS to shields. if you didnt have a turbo to reach that, say you were firing at 550 instead 700(which is easily achievable with just a controller) That requires you hitting the button at 9 times per second. That's not actually that realistic to achieve consistently. Quote: Basic Scr DPS= 660 528 DPS to armor 792 DPS to shileds if it was as slow as 400RPM max(as fast as a breach AR and Tac ar fires now) BasicSCr dps = 480 384 DPS to armor 576 DPS to shields I don't think the first number is unreasonable given that the weapon overheats rather than keeps firing. It gets a decent DPS advantage having traded that off. If it fires slower, you'll accumulate less heat... Right?
Rinzler XVIII Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 132	Posted - 2014.02.26 23:31:00 - [19] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Rinzler XVIII wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: I'm sick of even trying to get you people to stop with the SCR is OP threads, so I'm gonna be blunt. Go die OP. Yeah, Aisha just got real dark. That's just an instant report Disgraceful and out of order .. requesting a ROF cap to prevent modded pad abuse is no excuse to tell someone to go die I find this hilarious coming from someone who's been banned... how many times now? 2? 3? More? Irrelevant You can't justify telling someone to go die because of what they have done in the past
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 10109	Posted - 2014.02.26 23:33:00 - [20] - Quote Rinzler XVIII wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Rinzler XVIII wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: I'm sick of even trying to get you people to stop with the SCR is OP threads, so I'm gonna be blunt. Go die OP. Yeah, Aisha just got real dark. That's just an instant report Disgraceful and out of order .. requesting a ROF cap to prevent modded pad abuse is no excuse to tell someone to go die I find this hilarious coming from someone who's been banned... how many times now? 2? 3? More? Irrelevant You can't justify telling someone to go die because of what they have done in the past I'm not justifying it. I'm saying I find the way your immediate reaction is to report the guy is hilarious. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7639	Posted - 2014.02.26 23:34:00 - [21] - Quote Rinzler XVIII wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Rinzler XVIII wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: I'm sick of even trying to get you people to stop with the SCR is OP threads, so I'm gonna be blunt. Go die OP. Yeah, Aisha just got real dark. That's just an instant report Disgraceful and out of order .. requesting a ROF cap to prevent modded pad abuse is no excuse to tell someone to go die I find this hilarious coming from someone who's been banned... how many times now? 2? 3? More? Irrelevant You can't justify telling someone to go die because of what they have done in the past Sure you can but the words are shallow and mean nothing. Joking about death is something I think no one should do....but when someone does, you can normally discount that as a coping mechanism or ignorance. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
Rinzler XVIII Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 132	Posted - 2014.02.26 23:36:00 - [22] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Rinzler XVIII wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Rinzler XVIII wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: I'm sick of even trying to get you people to stop with the SCR is OP threads, so I'm gonna be blunt. Go die OP. Yeah, Aisha just got real dark. That's just an instant report Disgraceful and out of order .. requesting a ROF cap to prevent modded pad abuse is no excuse to tell someone to go die I find this hilarious coming from someone who's been banned... how many times now? 2? 3? More? Irrelevant You can't justify telling someone to go die because of what they have done in the past I'm not justifying it. I'm saying I find the way your immediate reaction is to report the guy is hilarious. You can call me any name under the sun or disagree with what I write but I draw the line at telling someone to go die
The Black Art Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 439	Posted - 2014.02.26 23:39:00 - [23] - Quote Someone's being mean to me online! :(((((((((((((((( Sir Snugglz is a noob.
Rinzler XVIII Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 133	Posted - 2014.02.26 23:40:00 - [24] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Rinzler XVIII wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Rinzler XVIII wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: I'm sick of even trying to get you people to stop with the SCR is OP threads, so I'm gonna be blunt. Go die OP. Yeah, Aisha just got real dark. That's just an instant report Disgraceful and out of order .. requesting a ROF cap to prevent modded pad abuse is no excuse to tell someone to go die I find this hilarious coming from someone who's been banned... how many times now? 2? 3? More? Irrelevant You can't justify telling someone to go die because of what they have done in the past Sure you can but the words are shallow and mean nothing. Joking about death is something I think no one should do....but when someone does, you can normally discount that as a coping mechanism or ignorance. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2384866/Schoolgirl-Hannah-Smith-trolled-death-bullies-Ask-fm-website.html Read that article and then you'll understand why I wont take something like that lightly
Lea Silencio 0uter.Heaven 1383	Posted - 2014.02.26 23:40:00 - [25] - Quote Oh God...THIS type of thread again? Smdh. PurificationGäó It's what I do. Amarr Victor
Rusty Shallows 1043	Posted - 2014.02.26 23:40:00 - [26] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Rinzler XVIII wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Rinzler XVIII wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: I'm sick of even trying to get you people to stop with the SCR is OP threads, so I'm gonna be blunt. Go die OP. Yeah, Aisha just got real dark. That's just an instant report Disgraceful and out of order .. requesting a ROF cap to prevent modded pad abuse is no excuse to tell someone to go die I find this hilarious coming from someone who's been banned... how many times now? 2? 3? More? Irrelevant You can't justify telling someone to go die because of what they have done in the past Sure you can but the words are shallow and mean nothing. Joking about death is something I think no one should do....but when someone does, you can normally discount that as a coping mechanism or ignorance. This, although I don't think it was a joke. Openly calling for violence on someone has caused more than on assault or murder. The Gabrielle Giffords shooting would be on such example. Here, have some candy and a Like. :-) Forums > Game
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core 527	Posted - 2014.02.26 23:45:00 - [27] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Johnny Guilt wrote: if you did have a turbo controller, basic Scr dps= 847.08 with no damage modes or prof, while doing 677.664 DPS to armor 1016.5 DPS to shields. if you didnt have a turbo to reach that, say you were firing at 550 instead 700(which is easily achievable with just a controller) That requires you hitting the button at 9 times per second. That's not actually that realistic to achieve consistently. Quote: Basic Scr DPS= 660 528 DPS to armor 792 DPS to shileds if it was as slow as 400RPM max(as fast as a breach AR and Tac ar fires now) BasicSCr dps = 480 384 DPS to armor 576 DPS to shields I don't think the first number is unreasonable given that the weapon overheats rather than keeps firing. It gets a decent DPS advantage having traded that off. it's resonable its compareable to the Adv assault vareint Scr DPS 444.717 355.774 to armor 533.66 to shields A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
xSir Campsalotx G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 132	Posted - 2014.02.26 23:46:00 - [28] - Quote With my adv Amarr assualt I can get 22 shots off, firing as fast as I can press it. Note this was the highest amount of rounds fired over the course of many tries.
xSir Campsalotx G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 132	Posted - 2014.02.26 23:48:00 - [29] - Quote In cqc fights I usually only get about 20 shots off.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7639	Posted - 2014.02.26 23:51:00 - [30] - Quote Horrific I am sure, and don't mistake my apathy for lack of empathy, seens the effects of suicide on a very close family group, its horrific. However for the most part I do think you are blowing this out of proportion. A fair example of make, but not necessarily the same. Do not blow this out of proportion. Back to the topic at hand.... I feel this could be a necessary tweak....couple that with a longer ScR reload time and we have a winner. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha



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