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Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1009	Posted - 2014.02.25 20:30:00 - [31] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Dexter307 wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Talk of moving to the PS4 now is ridiculous. I'm fairly certain that whether you play this game on a PS4, high-end PC gaming rig, or a goddamn megacluster supercomputer, the RR would still be OP, tankbush would still be unplayable, PC districts would still be locked, etc, etc. Maybe we fix the core content of the game first before we waste time with moving the whole broken mess to another platform because "oooh it's more powerful" and "PvE will magically appear out of my unicorn's butt" because it's on PS4 now? 60 fps will NEVER happen on ps3 Your point being? 1) Dust is not the first game I've played on a PS3. I know that there is a bit more than just hardware limitations going on with the framerate and lag issues here. 2) OK, so "oooh it's more powerful" and I get 60fps. Hooray! I can watch myself get spawncamped by HAV's that much more clearly. Besides (MAYBE) getting better framerates, assuming CCP can get their act together, what else gets fixed? Especially if one considers the months of development time lost to porting the game? Nothing. You really think there's no difference between 20fps and 60fps Increased frame rate would make a HUGE difference in the feel of the game It would also allow for better rendering, textures, increase player count, bigger battles, and many other features
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 247	Posted - 2014.02.25 20:37:00 - [32] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: Faunher wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: No reason for port it, there will be Blacklight: Retribution, Plamestide 2 and possibly Hawken. Why port unfinished/notpolished game full of bugs. First of all CCP needs to improve their optimization, look on games fro naughty dog, rockstar or suckerpunch. There is still power in Ps3 and if CCP told otherwise, its just maded excuse, nothing else. Blacklight Retribution is such a shallow, terrible shooter though. I was originally interested by it's "deep levels of customization" only to find that the customization was the result of either mindless grinding or spending of real money. You obviously never played that XD I started clan in original PC one long time ago and level of custom is such awesome. You basicaly doing whole weapon just for yourself, if you saw something less, you propably played Blacklight> Tango down and not a Retribution. I played blacklight on my ps4 and it was terrible Broken controls and very much P2W Dust felt silky smooth after playing blacklight Nope you are just devil advocate, nothing else. In Blacklight: Retribution i will made full suit by myself (legs, armor and helmet). In Blacklight: Retribution I will made full weapon by myself (receiver, stock, ammo, scope, barrel) I can using stuf like, medpack, revivepack, stealthpack, shield, riotshield, searchtowers, hacktools, hell i can call my own terrorbot, hardsuit-armored suit like bot with rail rifle and minigun, or buying for ingame points special weaponry on battlefield. And many many more. And whole that in fastpaced fights with great modes. Boyo you just dont even know what you can have in BL:Retribution, hell you have even eletric shurikens what are like stunt mines, machetes, knifes, swords and my preffered hammer. And your P2W "yup really", just another bshate, you already know where you need boosters more, yup here in dust boyo XD Just admit it, you saw BL>Retribution just on picture XD Support* - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2128	Posted - 2014.02.25 20:45:00 - [33] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Your point being? 1) Dust is not the first game I've played on a PS3. I know that there is a bit more than just hardware limitations going on with the framerate and lag issues here. 2) OK, so "oooh it's more powerful" and I get 60fps. Hooray! I can watch myself get spawncamped by HAV's that much more clearly. Besides (MAYBE) getting better framerates, assuming CCP can get their act together, what else gets fixed? Especially if one considers the months of development time lost to porting the game? Nothing. You really think there's no difference between 20fps and 60fps Increased frame rate would make a HUGE difference in the feel of the game It would also allow for better rendering, textures, increase player count, bigger battles, and many other features I do in fact know the difference between 20 and 60 fps. 200%. You, on the other hand, are missing my point completely. What I am saying is that there is nothing about the PS4 that will instantly make CCP better at programming a FPS. It will not make them the second coming of Id or Bungie (or even Rare) with a magnificent new flawless engine. It will not fix OP weapons and vehicles It will not create/balance all the racial heavy weapons or vehicles It will not fix PC district locking It will not create PvE or a player market out of thin air (or unicorn farts) TL;DR The PS4 is not a self-aware machine that writes it's own code. It will not fix any of the major problems with Dust on it's own. (We would probably get modestly better rendering and frame rates assuming CCP can actually take full advantage of the hardware.) "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 144	Posted - 2014.02.25 21:04:00 - [34] - Quote What's a PS4? Hynox Xitio // Patron Saint of Fogwogglers // Master Heavy
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 5842	Posted - 2014.02.25 21:07:00 - [35] - Quote NDA-blocked again. Never forget More tiericide, less tieriphiles.
Sgt Buttscratch KILL-EM-QUICK 1836	Posted - 2014.02.25 21:09:00 - [36] - Quote The reaon they are quiet is the fact its better for community morale than just saying "No ******* way the game will make the PS4, struggling on PS3!!" I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 513	Posted - 2014.02.25 21:36:00 - [37] - Quote Last line of the article... "Expect an announcement at this year's E3" [biting nails] Dear Lord, Pulllleeezzzz!!!!!!!!!!
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3575	Posted - 2014.02.25 21:43:00 - [38] - Quote They've also been suspiciously silent about its release on the Commodore 64. Dren and Templar equipment stats, wrong since release.
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1677	Posted - 2014.02.25 22:19:00 - [39] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Talk of moving to the PS4 now is ridiculous. I'm fairly certain that whether you play this game on a PS4, high-end PC gaming rig, or a goddamn megacluster supercomputer, the RR would still be OP, tankbush would still be unplayable, PC districts would still be locked, etc, etc. Maybe we fix the core content of the game first before we waste time with moving the whole broken mess to another platform because "oooh it's more powerful" and "PvE will magically appear out of my unicorn's butt" because it's on PS4 now? ^ This. +1 John, right on the money, as usual. Moving to the PS4 right now would improve our game experience not one bit. CCP has a lot of work to do before the game is in a polished, playable release state. Moving to PS4 before that would be a waste and only serve to garner DUST more bad reviews and probably the ultimate dismissal from the minds of the gaming public and press - you can only fail so many times before nobody takes you seriously anymore. PS3 is where we should be. As far as DUST is concerned the PS3 has a lot more to give than we're getting right now, and it's CCP's job to get that out of her. If we can get a stable 25 fps out of the PS3 and address the gameplay issues, we'll be in a very good place. And with the game in that polished state and steadily gaining playerbase and getting more new peeps up to speed and invested in New Eden, the move to PS4 will be a major event for the entire gaming industry. But you've gotta stick the landing first time, CCP. I support SP rollover.
R F Gyro Clones 4u 1222	Posted - 2014.02.25 22:31:00 - [40] - Quote If someone asked me to guess what CCP's plans are for Dust on PS4... My first guess would be an announcement at FanFast that Dust will be released on PlayStation Now, with the headline "Now you can play Dust 514 on your PS4". My second guess would be that there's been a directive from senior execs that no CCP employee can discuss Dust on PS4 because they really are "laser focussed on the PS3" and don't want to be constantly justifying this. My third guess would be that they've been working on a PS4 port but their agreement with Sony prevents them discussing it within 12 months of the game's launch, so expect an announcement in May 2014 (or 5/14 - see what they did there?). Regarding PS3 and PS4 players fighting each other; I see no fundamental reason why not, but even if they can't do that then they'll all still exist within the same single-sharded universe. You'd be in the same corps, share chat and voice, have a single player market (assuming this ever happens), etc. RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus

Jimmy McNaulty NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS 24	Posted - 2014.02.25 22:51:00 - [41] - Quote Zeylon Rho wrote: They've also been suspiciously silent about its release on the Commodore 64. Laughed out loud. Love it! +1... but only because I don't have the means to like all of your posts all at once. CHEERS
Thanatos 716 Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 155	Posted - 2014.02.25 23:11:00 - [42] - Quote Maximus Stryker wrote: Would E3 be a better place to announce such a move or would FanFest be better? Reason for FanFest: It is the pinnacle of CCP's achievements and visions, no better venue to announce DUST will move to the PS4 Reason for E3: It is later in the year (a month or two i think), thus giving CCP more time to work on it and be that much close till the launch date (assuming the launch date would remain the same whether they announced at FF or E3). Additionally, an E3 announcement would get more press from the gaming community as a whole, at least that is my guess, and thus would hopefully attract new/more players. Definitely FanFest. People outside these forums either know nothing about Dust, forgot about Dust or just think Dust is just an awful/boring game. I can't tell you how many times I've seen people get confused between From Dust, Dust: An Elysian Tale and Dust 514. FanFest will be where the people who actually know/ care about the game are going to be. No one else cares. "Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds."
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1802	Posted - 2014.02.25 23:19:00 - [43] - Quote They've already said that for the mean time they are going to focus on the PS3 version. Does nobody remember this? Looking for a Interesting Character Name? Why Not Zoidberg?
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 248	Posted - 2014.02.25 23:45:00 - [44] - Quote Zeylon Rho wrote: They've also been suspiciously silent about its release on the Commodore 64. prefere sinclair ZX spectrum, but there can be problrm with textures XD Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 399	Posted - 2014.03.06 17:31:00 - [45] - Quote Maybe CCP said that because SONY is coming out with PLAYSTATION NOW, this summer. And it's allowing people to play (streaming) video games on the PSN store. And apparently that's ALL.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 1914	Posted - 2014.03.06 17:37:00 - [46] - Quote Fraceska wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Fraceska wrote: Dust's already small player base would be reduced even further? Because having a game on 2 consoles would decrease player count Fail logic right here Why would you keep it on both? That means double the development and coding since both systems are not compatible in any way. So split an already small team into 2 smaller teams. Yeah that seems logical. This is one of the many reasons that it may end up on PC/Steambox before the PS4.
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 2782	Posted - 2014.03.06 18:09:00 - [47] - Quote If there's no ps4 version then everything we have done and everything we were sold and the promises of 'the last fps you will ever play' was all bullsht, everything, absolutely everything. The presentations The wars The people you met All the time spent in the game Everything anyone ever did for their corp or alliance The feeling we got unlocking our first proto suits The feeling we got unlocking our first proto weapons Waiting for the new patches Money spent for aurum AND to help ccp Helping to keep hundreds of players in the game Being on the forums I am one of many who have potentially wasted much time being fed the guarantees and promises of CCP. Theres no actual yes or no for the ps4 version anyway but for those that are REALLY in the know, its obvious there will be a ps4 version, possibly a pc version but ccp made it clear that there won't be and theres about 3 pages of glaring problems that dust on the pc would cause. Level 2 forum warrior. Dust on the ps4 asap please I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 2782	Posted - 2014.03.06 18:12:00 - [48] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: No reason for port it, there will be Blacklight: Retribution, Plamestide 2 and possibly Hawken. Why port unfinished/notpolished game full of bugs. First of all CCP needs to improve their optimization, look on games fro naughty dog, rockstar or suckerpunch. There is still power in Ps3 and if CCP told otherwise, its just maded excuse, nothing else. Please do not use blacklight retribution to compare anything, that game is terrible, completely terrible. Level 2 forum warrior. Dust on the ps4 asap please I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 475	Posted - 2014.03.06 18:15:00 - [49] - Quote Why does everyone expect them to get it on the ps4 anytime soon? CCP is having a hard enough time trying to get the ps3 version right. It'll be years before they get it on the ps4, that is if the game survives the rest of this year. After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 2785	Posted - 2014.03.06 18:21:00 - [50] - Quote da GAND wrote: Why does everyone expect them to get it on the ps4 anytime soon? CCP is having a hard enough time trying to get the ps3 version right. It'll be years before they get it on the ps4, that is if the game survives the rest of this year. I'd give the game 2 years life left tops based on watching player numbers, number trends and player trends. That's provided it stays on ps3. Level 2 forum warrior. Dust on the ps4 asap please I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic

Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1735	Posted - 2014.03.06 18:24:00 - [51] - Quote My take on it is moving to PS4 anythime soon would be a wasteful tragedy for the game, and moving to PC would be its death-knell. I originally posted this link based solely on the chuckle to be had of imagining 'blushing CCP employees'. PS3 is where we belong, for now. I support SP rollover.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 1919	Posted - 2014.03.06 18:27:00 - [52] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: If there's no ps4 version then everything we have done and everything we were sold and the promises of 'the last fps you will ever play' was all bullsht, everything, absolutely everything. The presentations The wars The people you met All the time spent in the game Everything anyone ever did for their corp or alliance The feeling we got unlocking our first proto suits The feeling we got unlocking our first proto weapons Waiting for the new patches Money spent for aurum AND to help ccp Helping to keep hundreds of players in the game Being on the forums I am one of many who have potentially wasted much time being fed the guarantees and promises of CCP. Theres no actual yes or no for the ps4 version anyway but for those that are REALLY in the know, its obvious there will be a ps4 version, possibly a pc version but ccp made it clear that there won't be and theres about 3 pages of glaring problems that dust on the pc would cause. CCP has never claimed that there would not be a PC version, only that there would be, at least initially, an exclusive to PS3. That's all over and done with now. If you're making a game, and you want it to last 10 years like your existing flagship, you put it on the same platform. The platform that you are familiar with. Now the case for PS3 in the first place was to capture the console market. That hasn't panned out for CCP, and frankly, the console market isn't nearly as attractive as it was say 4 years ago (when they started with Dust). SO, a PC port makes perfect sense because the game can be much better there and CCP wouldn't have to deal with a company like Sony to push out updates/content changes and the microtransaction market.. Also, both new consoles are basically watered down PCs anyway so a port to one is essentially a port to the other. The original arguments against PC were that Dust might erode the playerbase of Eve and the mouse vs controller issue. We already have mouse control in Dust (A strong indication of CCP's interest in a PC port) and due to Dust not being massively embraced by the console community, the first argument is moot as well. Development costs on PC would also be lower. This is all speculation of course. We'll know when CCP wants us to know.
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1735	Posted - 2014.03.06 18:37:00 - [53] - Quote I have an honestly ignorant noob question for you move-to-PC peeps. Is it possible to stop botting/hacks on PC? I know other fps games suffer from these - we mercs will someday be deciding the fate of large alliances/wars and these hacks will destroy DUST's engame. Is there any way CCP could deploy onto PC and realistically prevent this? My experience tells me no, but it would be great if more informed peeps could weigh in. That includes you too, CCP, no need to be shy here and this is really a dicussion about modern PC gaming in general. I support SP rollover.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 1920	Posted - 2014.03.06 18:40:00 - [54] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: I have an honestly ignorant noob question for you move-to-PC peeps. Is it possible to stop botting/hacks on PC? I know other fps games suffer from these - we mercs will someday be deciding the fate of large alliances/wars and these hacks will destroy DUST's engame. Is there any way CCP could deploy onto PC and realistically prevent this? My experience tells me no, but it would be great if more informed peeps could weigh in. That includes you too, CCP, no need to be shy here and this is really a dicussion about modern PC gaming in general. Dust has server side authentication/replication of all actions. Nothing is 100% against hacks/mods - no, not on consoles either. Server side calculations pretty much stop it cold though. There are plenty of games on PC that have no real presence of hacks/bots etc, in fact - nearly all of them. Eve has been online for 10 years, and it does a pretty good job of keeping hacks off. Steam also runs some software to check for known hacking/botting software and it seems to do a pretty good job. The real secret though is to make all important decisions server side rather than client side. Incidentally, Dust already has this. I wonder why?
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 2788	Posted - 2014.03.06 18:43:00 - [55] - Quote Incorrect, at a fan fest the devs were asked if it will ever be on pc to which they replied "no never" with a 'really? Again?' expression. They have been asked multiple times about dust on the pc, the answer is no, roughly 3 pages of game breaking problems that can't really be avoided. Level 2 forum warrior. Dust on the ps4 asap please I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Buster Friently Rosen Association 1920	Posted - 2014.03.06 18:44:00 - [56] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Incorrect, at a fan fest the devs were asked if it will ever be on pc to which they replied "no never" with a 'really? Again?' expression. They have been asked multiple times about dust on the pc, the answer is no, roughly 3 pages of game breaking problems that can't really be avoided. I've never heard this. Rumor to be sure. Please provide some shred of evidence.
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 2788	Posted - 2014.03.06 18:44:00 - [57] - Quote And if you didn't know that then you don't actually know enough to even speculate I'm afraid. Level 2 forum warrior. Dust on the ps4 asap please I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 2788	Posted - 2014.03.06 18:46:00 - [58] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Incorrect, at a fan fest the devs were asked if it will ever be on pc to which they replied "no never" with a 'really? Again?' expression. They have been asked multiple times about dust on the pc, the answer is no, roughly 3 pages of game breaking problems that can't really be avoided. I've never heard this. Rumor to be sure. Please provide some shred of evidence. Videos, you can o watch them yourself on YouTube. I am not digging through hours of videos because a random who didn't know anyway, doesn't believe me. Level 2 forum warrior. Dust on the ps4 asap please I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Buster Friently Rosen Association 1920	Posted - 2014.03.06 18:47:00 - [59] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Buster Friently wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Incorrect, at a fan fest the devs were asked if it will ever be on pc to which they replied "no never" with a 'really? Again?' expression. They have been asked multiple times about dust on the pc, the answer is no, roughly 3 pages of game breaking problems that can't really be avoided. I've never heard this. Rumor to be sure. Please provide some shred of evidence. Videos, you can o watch them yourself on YouTube. I am not digging through hours of videos because a random who didn't know anyway, doesn't believe me. Likewise.
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 2788	Posted - 2014.03.06 18:49:00 - [60] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Buster Friently wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Incorrect, at a fan fest the devs were asked if it will ever be on pc to which they replied "no never" with a 'really? Again?' expression. They have been asked multiple times about dust on the pc, the answer is no, roughly 3 pages of game breaking problems that can't really be avoided. I've never heard this. Rumor to be sure. Please provide some shred of evidence. Videos, you can o watch them yourself on YouTube. I am not digging through hours of videos because a random who didn't know anyway, doesn't believe me. Likewise. Haha, so you claim rumour yet won't go see for yourself? Ok then. Level 2 forum warrior. Dust on the ps4 asap please I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic



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