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Qwak Qwak Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.02.23 03:38:00 - [1] - Quote So apparently there are people who don't use scanners? My main skilled into scanner early and uses them all the time, they are very helpful and i believe them to be something essential even, well at least 1 per squad, but i like them because if your team is good, it will make them better, and get you points. and if your team is bad, it will help your team, get you points,(less), and help keep you alive because you know where they are. I made this alt to be a logi and i have to say i suck without scanners, i constantly am getting scanned down myself and killed. when i run with a squad i have noticed noone uses scanners. now if you have a very good team scanners aren't needed because they can protect you ( the logi) but most of the time they are mediocre at best. so my question is why don't more people use scanners? and should i start using one, in place of one of my logi equipment slots so that i die less with scrub teams?
Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1176	Posted - 2014.02.23 03:45:00 - [2] - Quote In my humble opinion, I think scanners shouldn't exist in the first place (at least handheld scanners). At the least anyone using a scanner should light up to the enemy for an equivalent duration of time, reduced only by that player's suit dB. I personally don't use scanners because I just consider them a crutch I don't want to become reliant upon. And second, I don't want to give up any one of my uplink, repair tool, or injector on my logi. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 217	Posted - 2014.02.23 03:45:00 - [3] - Quote facepalm
Tectonic Fusion 1102	Posted - 2014.02.23 03:47:00 - [4] - Quote I have level 2 scanners, but don't use them. My eyes are pretty good, and I have good hearing. I don't see a use for them other than removing the fun of some players when I feel like trolling. Harpyja wrote: In my humble opinion, I think scanners shouldn't exist in the first place (at least handheld scanners). At the least anyone using a scanner should light up to the enemy for an equivalent duration of time, reduced only by that player's suit dB. I personally don't use scanners because I just consider them a crutch I don't want to become reliant upon. And second, I don't want to give up any one of my uplink, repair tool, or injector on my logi. Also a nanohive on some fits after you deploy uplinks. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Reapers' Assailant 776	Posted - 2014.02.23 03:47:00 - [5] - Quote Always. Psycho Scout The more I see the less I like, is it over yet? DONT. TOUCH. ME.
Forever ETC 703rd 21	Posted - 2014.02.23 03:50:00 - [6] - Quote Ask your Corpmates to skill into scanners and stick with that player. I run Commando with remotes and scanners, and I have been great help to one of our Logi. Well, time to go Commando. Fill the Ranks at 703rd. Love,Hate, and everything in between.- ETC 2013
axis alpha Red Star. EoN. 230	Posted - 2014.02.23 03:51:00 - [7] - Quote Crutch. If I had a scanner I'd never die. I've never used a scanner once. Only time I have used one is when someone in my squad pulls one out. The best part of waking up, is whiskey in my cuuuuup!
Nocturnal Soul Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2006	Posted - 2014.02.23 03:55:00 - [8] - Quote Put lvl 1 into scanners and felt dirty for using it and this is coming from a guy who runs into a heavily populated enemy controlled area with RE's. "But we have been blessed"
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 985	Posted - 2014.02.23 03:59:00 - [9] - Quote I hate active scanners with a passion, but at the same time, I love them. People like you have no idea how to use your eyes anymore, so they make very easy targets while you panicscan to try and find the scout, as if scanning more often will suddenly make them pop up. If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 486	Posted - 2014.02.23 03:59:00 - [10] - Quote Waaaaallllllll Haccccccccccccckkkkkkksssssssss. Not only dose it show their location but which way their facing, THAT is OP as hell and dosent make sence.

DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 4380	Posted - 2014.02.23 03:59:00 - [11] - Quote I'm confident enough in my own abilities to not need to degrade myself to cheap parlor trips. My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Anarchide, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 1142	Posted - 2014.02.23 04:07:00 - [12] - Quote There's advantages for using scanners and there's disadvantages. The advantage is that you get to see your enemies even if they're hidden. Also currently allows you to track people easily. The disadvantage is that you get Tunnel Vision from relying on the scanner. That's extremely bad considering that people can sneak up on you if properly fitted or you could miss a guy and they end up popping you. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
axis alpha Red Star. EoN. 230	Posted - 2014.02.23 04:07:00 - [13] - Quote Notice all the vets saying we don't use scanners? We are like old *ucks Who don't want to let go of old ways. Lol The best part of waking up, is whiskey in my cuuuuup!
The Eristic Sad Panda Solutions 216	Posted - 2014.02.23 04:08:00 - [14] - Quote I have five characters (and about to make a sixth for a special quasi-RP project). The only one that ever uses a scanner is my Commando alt, because it makes sense for his slow, suppressive playstyle. I refuse to skill into anything above the basic, though, until the next patch. The fact that currently scouts get picked up by advanced without crazy SP investment and/or giving up precious lows is problematic, imo.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 4380	Posted - 2014.02.23 04:22:00 - [15] - Quote axis alpha wrote: Notice all the vets saying we don't use scanners? We are like old *ucks Who don't want to let go of old ways. Lol More like people who prefer the satisfaction that comes with hard work. It's akin to writing a thank you letter in cursive vs. sending an E-mail. My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Anarchide, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 647	Posted - 2014.02.23 04:24:00 - [16] - Quote Used them at first, but it just started feeling like cheating. Just a bad idea to introduce them into the game in general. CCP your matchmaking is better but still sucks a fair amount Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1781	Posted - 2014.02.23 04:24:00 - [17] - Quote The only scanner I use is on my Soma, which I don't use because I like money, and I suck at driving even these OP tanks. I Just Dual Tank and use Nanohives for my CR. Looking for a Interesting Character Name? Why Not Zoidberg?
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 869	Posted - 2014.02.23 04:47:00 - [18] - Quote I only use scanners on a couple of scout fits or my logi. One's to help with knifing (I tend to get target fixated and the terrible peripheral vision doesn't help) and the other is for my teams benefit. I run solo quite often so all my fits are based on independence - pretty hard to do if you run out of ammo, so I prefer to carry hives. I really do believe the scanner has a place, and its to highlight for your team a threat you are already aware of. The changes proposed for 1.8 seem to confirm this. I also hope that scanning will become the new role for scouts - we can remain hidden and have a better passive scanner so we can place the 'snapshot' scan in the best place that highlights the most targets. "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 75	Posted - 2014.02.23 04:57:00 - [19] - Quote Qwak Qwak wrote: So apparently there are people who don't use scanners? My main skilled into scanner early and uses them all the time, they are very helpful and i believe them to be something essential even, well at least 1 per squad, but i like them because if your team is good, it will make them better, and get you points. and if your team is bad, it will help your team, get you points,(less), and help keep you alive because you know where they are. I made this alt to be a logi and i have to say i suck without scanners, i constantly am getting scanned down myself and killed. when i run with a squad i have noticed noone uses scanners. now if you have a very good team scanners aren't needed because they can protect you ( the logi) but most of the time they are mediocre at best. so my question is why don't more people use scanners? and should i start using one, in place of one of my logi equipment slots so that i die less with scrub teams? I'm a heavy. Whats a scanner? Unleash the Fogwoggler
Greasepalms Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 483	Posted - 2014.02.23 05:11:00 - [20] - Quote don't use them .. only on my logi for support purposes, not to wallhack clueless scrubs.

Sgt Buttscratch KILL-EM-QUICK 1753	Posted - 2014.02.23 05:21:00 - [21] - Quote I prefer my passive, scanners do get you intel, but also give the enemy a heads up, then they'll scan.. I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 1168	Posted - 2014.02.23 05:54:00 - [22] - Quote Scouts only have one equipment slot in their use, and while a scanner could help me greatly in finding enemies and killing them, I prefer my remote explosives. It isn't really because I hate the current meta for active scanners, but because I don't really need them. I've improved my passive scanning, allowing me to pick up nearly all suits while I remain hidden. It may be not as big of a range as an active scanner, but I can use it all the time, and I'm not completely defensless for several seconds. On top of that, when people know they're being scanned, they'll keep their guard up and diminish my chances of successfully sneaking. And generally, I just have good situational awareness. I got a good headset which lets me locate people better when they're firing, and I can spot silhuettes from quite long distances. There's also the occasional sound of footsteps I hear, but that isn't nearly as reliable as gunfire. But to summarize, I don't really need an active scanner because I have good situational awareness already, allowing me to use something else like remote explosives, uplinks or nanohives. Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Feb. 10th
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1744	Posted - 2014.02.23 06:08:00 - [23] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Waaaaallllllll Haccccccccccccckkkkkkksssssssss. Not only dose it show their location but which way their facing, THAT is OP as hell and dosent make sence. It does make sense, but debatable on balance. I think it's fine tbh. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Nosid Katona HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 80	Posted - 2014.02.23 06:25:00 - [24] - Quote I stopped using the scanner recently after I noticed how much my senses had dulled, it honestly makes your situational awareness crap. I mean it is the only Gal equipment (the reason I picked it up.) but it is just too much of a crutch, causing your skills to stagnate and even decline after prolonged reliance on it. I replaced it with a 50% needle and you know what? My gun game has begun to improve once more and people even enjoy being picked up with an ADV needle, rather then poor noobs picking them up in front of enemies. Do I die more then with the scanner? I'd say so. However I feel I've earned every kill since I put down the scanner. >:D Vae Victis Valor Vet, R.I.P MAG
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 987	Posted - 2014.02.23 06:32:00 - [25] - Quote Nosid Katona wrote: I stopped using the scanner recently after I noticed how much my senses had dulled, it honestly makes your situational awareness crap. I mean it is the only Gal equipment (the reason I picked it up.) but it is just too much of a crutch, causing your skills to stagnate and even decline after prolonged reliance on it. I replaced it with a 50% needle and you know what? My gun game has begun to improve once more and people even enjoy being picked up with an ADV needle, rather then poor noobs picking them up in front of enemies. Do I die more then with the scanner? I'd say so. However I feel I've earned every kill since I put down the scanner. >:D That does make sense, Gal tech is all about using a bunch of drones to do your work while you do nothing, and it makes you as an individual less powerful in a straight fight without them. If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 317	Posted - 2014.02.23 06:46:00 - [26] - Quote People who call scanners a crutch are just stuck in the old ways and are only going to be able to block their ears and 'lalalalala' for so long. They are the first of many systems that will encompass electronic warfare. People can choose to not use them so that they can feel good about themselves but unless CCP have scrapped this element of combat, ewar is coming and will play a big role on the battlefield. Advanced scanning displaying frame size Tacnet denial Tacnet intel manipulation Voice comms denial These were just a few examples given by CCP Remnant at FF last year. Feel free to rely just on your senses when the enemy squad has shut off your minimap, can see where you are, what you are and which way your facing with a couple of stealthed up scouts heading your way. I personally love situational awareness mechanics and will be specialising in all forms of intel gathering/denial/manipulation on my main. Subterfuge and terrorist GOD in the making Proud Minmatar - Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL Love the Art of War
Baltazar Pontain Phantom Universe Task Force Die Fremdenlegion 84	Posted - 2014.02.23 06:59:00 - [27] - Quote For me it is about fun. If I do not have fun, I do not play it. Even if it is the fotm of the month. So maybe I am not the normal "on the edge" gamer. I never get used to scanners and didn't like the playstyle. Every (put a number here) seconds you have to switch to it, turn yourself in a circle and pray for "No margin errors". That is the reason why I skipped scanners. But they are definetly very useful. Just not my playstyle. But as mentioned above I even like to play weapons that not many other people use like: plasma cannon or laser rifle.
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 987	Posted - 2014.02.23 07:02:00 - [28] - Quote COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: People who call scanners a crutch are just stuck in the old ways and are only going to be able to block their ears and 'lalalalala' for so long. They are the first of many systems that will encompass electronic warfare. People can choose to not use them so that they can feel good about themselves but unless CCP have scrapped this element of combat, ewar is coming and will play a big role on the battlefield. Advanced scanning displaying frame size Tacnet denial Tacnet intel manipulation Voice comms denial These were just a few examples given by CCP Remnant at FF last year. Feel free to rely just on your senses when the enemy squad has shut off your minimap, can see where you are, what you are and which way your facing with a couple of stealthed up scouts heading your way. I personally love situational awareness mechanics and will be specialising in all forms of intel gathering/denial/manipulation on my main. Yeah, here's the thing, I don't need a tacnet to punch through your skull with my knives while you flail helplessly because your scanners aren't picking me up. I use these old things called my eyes. Sure, they don't see through walls nearly as easily, but they're also remarkably hard to fool. And I'll be cloaked, so good luck, and remember: always check your six every second or two, because that's all a scout needs to rip you in half. If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 494	Posted - 2014.02.23 07:03:00 - [29] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: People who call scanners a crutch are just stuck in the old ways and are only going to be able to block their ears and 'lalalalala' for so long. They are the first of many systems that will encompass electronic warfare. People can choose to not use them so that they can feel good about themselves but unless CCP have scrapped this element of combat, ewar is coming and will play a big role on the battlefield. Advanced scanning displaying frame size Tacnet denial Tacnet intel manipulation Voice comms denial These were just a few examples given by CCP Remnant at FF last year. Feel free to rely just on your senses when the enemy squad has shut off your minimap, can see where you are, what you are and which way your facing with a couple of stealthed up scouts heading your way. I personally love situational awareness mechanics and will be specialising in all forms of intel gathering/denial/manipulation on my main. Yeah, here's the thing, I don't need a tacnet to punch through your skull with my knives while you flail helplessly because your scanners aren't picking me up. I use these old things called my eyes. Sure, they don't see through walls nearly as easily, but they're also remarkably hard to fool. And I'll be cloaked, so good luck, and remember: always check your six every second or two, because that's all a scout needs to rip you in half. Satisfying isnt it? Got a nk kill on a guy 369 scanning before I never use scanners I dont use wallhacks... 2 exile assault rifles, Skinweave cal. frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame Caldari Master Race One day shields, soon.
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1747	Posted - 2014.02.23 07:15:00 - [30] - Quote I use them, but just to know how to avoid the medium frames carrying around their OP rifles. If I get the rror message, I think "It's just another scout", and kill the scout, then move on. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-

Sgt Buttscratch KILL-EM-QUICK 1756	Posted - 2014.02.23 07:16:00 - [31] - Quote NK Scout wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: snip snip Satisfying isnt it? Got a nk kill on a guy 369 scanning before I never use scanners I dont use wallhacks... I love spinning scanners, the amount I kill mid scan is great. Another thing is you can easily work through their flaws, when i get the scan attempt prevented message I find him, wait for a blueberry to head in his direction, he'll scan and see the blueberry where his attention turns. flank then shank I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 318	Posted - 2014.02.23 07:19:00 - [32] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: People who call scanners a crutch are just stuck in the old ways and are only going to be able to block their ears and 'lalalalala' for so long. They are the first of many systems that will encompass electronic warfare. People can choose to not use them so that they can feel good about themselves but unless CCP have scrapped this element of combat, ewar is coming and will play a big role on the battlefield. Advanced scanning displaying frame size Tacnet denial Tacnet intel manipulation Voice comms denial These were just a few examples given by CCP Remnant at FF last year. Feel free to rely just on your senses when the enemy squad has shut off your minimap, can see where you are, what you are and which way your facing with a couple of stealthed up scouts heading your way. I personally love situational awareness mechanics and will be specialising in all forms of intel gathering/denial/manipulation on my main. Yeah, here's the thing, I don't need a tacnet to punch through your skull with my knives while you flail helplessly because your scanners aren't picking me up. I use these old things called my eyes. Sure, they don't see through walls nearly as easily, but they're also remarkably hard to fool. And I'll be cloaked, so good luck, and remember: always check your six every second or two, because that's all a scout needs to rip you in half. I'm also a scout, my inherent situational awareness is fine and I have sunk my own Novie Wovies into many whose S.A isn't so fine but I'm not going to run from ewar so I can beat my chest over not using it. It's another aspect of D514 that sets it apart from the rest and I'm all for it. Subterfuge and terrorist GOD in the making Proud Minmatar - Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL Love the Art of War
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 988	Posted - 2014.02.23 07:20:00 - [33] - Quote Sgt Buttscratch wrote: NK Scout wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: snip snip Satisfying isnt it? Got a nk kill on a guy 369 scanning before I never use scanners I dont use wallhacks... I love spinning scanners, the amount I kill mid scan is great. Another thing is you can easily work through their flaws, when i get the scan attempt prevented message I find him, wait for a blueberry to head in his direction, he'll scan and see the blueberry where his attention turns. flank then shank Funny ones are the ones who see you for just a second and then scan. Best ones are those who do that, and then you peek out, and they're running for the hills because they know they can't win without their crutches holding them up. EDIT: Running from? I'm embracing it. I'm only scanned with proto scanners at this point. There's a certain kind of warfare you're forgetting: Psychological. That nagging feeling that all you scans since you started running from one point to the next having errors is really just one guy, stalking you, waiting for the opportunity to sneak up and perform some emergency spine removal with his knives. I love just following people with scanners, because they play differently when they get errors. they get fidgety, spin around, generally act like there is someone out to get them. it's funny sometimes. If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1274	Posted - 2014.02.23 07:21:00 - [34] - Quote I skilled into them around September but haven't used them much. I put one on my starter medic to help squad out a bit more and actually clean out a few of my assets.
Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 404	Posted - 2014.02.23 08:55:00 - [35] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: I use them, but just to know how to avoid the medium frames carrying around their OP rifles. If I get the rror message, I think "It's just another scout", and kill the scout, then move on. Scouts with combat rifles. Its the new rage. Oh they usually have stacked plates too. Don't question it, it works.
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 269	Posted - 2014.02.23 09:15:00 - [36] - Quote Knowing is half the battle, because KNOWLEDGE IS POWER!
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 320	Posted - 2014.02.23 09:47:00 - [37] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: Knowing is half the battle, because KNOWLEDGE IS POWER! Don't be silly, this is war and no war was ever fought with intel on the enemy. KNOWLEDGE IS A CRUTCH! Nope, all the l33t armies and soldiers of the past denied all intel so they could just rely on their senses and feel super O.G. DUST is no different, it's clearly not a tactical game with varying countervailable mechanics, it's just a test of unaided situational awareness. Subterfuge and terrorist GOD in the making Proud Minmatar - Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL Love the Art of War
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 1605	Posted - 2014.02.23 10:44:00 - [38] - Quote Qwak Qwak wrote: So apparently there are people who don't use scanners? My main skilled into scanner early and uses them all the time, they are very helpful and i believe them to be something essential even, well at least 1 per squad, but i like them because if your team is good, it will make them better, and get you points. and if your team is bad, it will help your team, get you points,(less), and help keep you alive because you know where they are. I made this alt to be a logi and i have to say i suck without scanners, i constantly am getting scanned down myself and killed. when i run with a squad i have noticed noone uses scanners. now if you have a very good team scanners aren't needed because they can protect you ( the logi) but most of the time they are mediocre at best. so my question is why don't more people use scanners? and should i start using one, in place of one of my logi equipment slots so that i die less with scrub teams? If you rely on scanners too much you will end up capping your awareness factor 10 fold and getting better at that requires time and patience. Ive ran dampeners for a while and i was amazed about how much people relied on it to aquire there targets, i could just sidestep a few meters away from a frontline assault and be completely invisible vs whole teams that are considered "Awesome" if these great players do not receive target data their reaction speeds dropped like a brick, ofcourse now they had no idea i was there and could not adjust to pre-fire or "get-ready" for me to rear the corner. I don't touch that thing and just react to moving pixels, it didnt excist in other shooters and i didnt need it there but i guess since most people buy wallhacks on PC shooter games, having there own legit wallhack here is what they need to not suck i suppose. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC Intara Direct Action Caldari State 282	Posted - 2014.02.23 10:53:00 - [39] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Put lvl 1 into scanners and felt dirty for using it and this is coming from a guy who runs into a heavily populated enemy controlled area with RE's. Its dirty but essential until they are nerfed like so many other things. If your scanned and im not the likelihood I will kill you do to my first strike capability as well being able to choose the direction you are looking when I make that first strike.
Asha Starwind VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 373	Posted - 2014.02.23 10:54:00 - [40] - Quote Only used them to figure out how they worked and get a feel for them, know your enemy and all that jazz. The way they're being used right now is a crutch and there is no justifying it, and the proof will be post 1.8 when they are abandoned by all but the dedicated few and those who actually knew how to us them (as intended). 32db Mad Bomber.

INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC Intara Direct Action Caldari State 282	Posted - 2014.02.23 10:55:00 - [41] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Qwak Qwak wrote: So apparently there are people who don't use scanners? My main skilled into scanner early and uses them all the time, they are very helpful and i believe them to be something essential even, well at least 1 per squad, but i like them because if your team is good, it will make them better, and get you points. and if your team is bad, it will help your team, get you points,(less), and help keep you alive because you know where they are. I made this alt to be a logi and i have to say i suck without scanners, i constantly am getting scanned down myself and killed. when i run with a squad i have noticed noone uses scanners. now if you have a very good team scanners aren't needed because they can protect you ( the logi) but most of the time they are mediocre at best. so my question is why don't more people use scanners? and should i start using one, in place of one of my logi equipment slots so that i die less with scrub teams? If you rely on scanners too much you will end up capping your awareness factor 10 fold and getting better at that requires time and patience. Ive ran dampeners for a while and i was amazed about how much people relied on it to aquire there targets, i could just sidestep a few meters away from a frontline assault and be completely invisible vs whole teams that are considered "Awesome" if these great players do not receive target data their reaction speeds dropped like a brick, ofcourse now they had no idea i was there and could not adjust to pre-fire or "get-ready" for me to rear the corner. I don't touch that thing and just react to moving pixels, it didnt excist in other shooters and i didnt need it there but i guess since most people buy wallhacks on PC shooter games, having there own legit wallhack here is what they need to not suck i suppose. Some form of scanners or radar exists in all major titles.
axu jen The Phoenix Federation Proficiency V. 14	Posted - 2014.02.23 10:56:00 - [42] - Quote I used to love scanners because they were such a tactical advantage, but eventually i came across 2 problems with them. 1. They became a crutch, the more you rely on them the less your situational awarness is, and if there is a dampened scout there you're screwed 2. By scanning you reveal the enemy position to your team, by the time you finish scanning your squad would have probably gotten all the kills, i know its selfish but damn when all of your squad goes 20 something thanks to you and you barely go 10 it sucks. Nowdays i only use scanners when the enemy team is using them because its just not fair.
Kira Takizawa 2Shitz 1Giggle 151	Posted - 2014.02.23 10:58:00 - [43] - Quote axis alpha wrote: Crutch. If I had a scanner I'd never die. I've never used a scanner once. Only time I have used one is when someone in my squad pulls one out. I don't know about you personally but your corp uses nothing but crutches... (proto, tanks, scanners, etc) I feel you might fall into one of these categories
axu jen The Phoenix Federation Proficiency V. 14	Posted - 2014.02.23 11:27:00 - [44] - Quote Kira Takizawa wrote: axis alpha wrote: Crutch. If I had a scanner I'd never die. I've never used a scanner once. Only time I have used one is when someone in my squad pulls one out. I don't know about you personally but your corp uses nothing but crutches... (proto, tanks, scanners, etc) I feel you might fall into one of these categories You got the wrong corp buddy, ive never seen someone use a tank on our corp, and the proto players are few inbetween. The only "crutch" we use is teamplay.
Spaceman-Rob 340	Posted - 2014.02.23 11:28:00 - [45] - Quote Scanners have to go, was a much better game without them. didnt it use to be that if you ran instead of walking or fired your weapon you would show up on the mini map? much better way of doing things imo.
Repe Susi Rautaleijona Top Men. 1037	Posted - 2014.02.23 11:28:00 - [46] - Quote Playing the actual game gives the opposite picture of what this thread is telling. There is scan going on ALL the time so I'm rather skeptical on this 'I never use a scanner' - BS. ALL the major corps I've bee against have proto scanners equipped every time I've seen 'em. As for myself, I use active scanner shamelessly. Would like to say though that I'm not dependent on it, I use it situationally. When using scout, I'm set with my passive. The most frustrating thing is getting killed while scanning... Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~ Isaac Asimov
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2032	Posted - 2014.02.23 11:33:00 - [47] - Quote I personally never run scanners, if someone in my squad uses them I don't care. But personally I feel like my kills mean less if I know that person was about to run round the corner. Although my mlt fit gets scanned incredibly often I still often go positive, skill > Intel Combat Engineer in training. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1183	Posted - 2014.02.23 15:20:00 - [48] - Quote INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Qwak Qwak wrote: So apparently there are people who don't use scanners? My main skilled into scanner early and uses them all the time, they are very helpful and i believe them to be something essential even, well at least 1 per squad, but i like them because if your team is good, it will make them better, and get you points. and if your team is bad, it will help your team, get you points,(less), and help keep you alive because you know where they are. I made this alt to be a logi and i have to say i suck without scanners, i constantly am getting scanned down myself and killed. when i run with a squad i have noticed noone uses scanners. now if you have a very good team scanners aren't needed because they can protect you ( the logi) but most of the time they are mediocre at best. so my question is why don't more people use scanners? and should i start using one, in place of one of my logi equipment slots so that i die less with scrub teams? If you rely on scanners too much you will end up capping your awareness factor 10 fold and getting better at that requires time and patience. Ive ran dampeners for a while and i was amazed about how much people relied on it to aquire there targets, i could just sidestep a few meters away from a frontline assault and be completely invisible vs whole teams that are considered "Awesome" if these great players do not receive target data their reaction speeds dropped like a brick, ofcourse now they had no idea i was there and could not adjust to pre-fire or "get-ready" for me to rear the corner. I don't touch that thing and just react to moving pixels, it didnt excist in other shooters and i didnt need it there but i guess since most people buy wallhacks on PC shooter games, having there own legit wallhack here is what they need to not suck i suppose. Some form of scanners or radar exists in all major titles. But Dust's active scanners are the most powerful and rather game-breaking. In BF, you have to see the enemy in order to tag the enemy, and it doesn't last for as long. In CoD (the ones I played before I switched over to Dust completely), your active scanner was a piece of equipment you had to put on the ground, which had a limited scan radius. You were limited to one I believe and placing down a new one would destroy your previous one. They also produced a unique sound, were easily destroyed, and you can guarantee 100% stealth if you had the right perk to avoid detection. Dust's active scanner is too powerful. Reason I say this is because you can take it anywhere with you, in addition to having a rather long scan range in comparison to other major game titles. Not to even mention that the proto scanner can scan down absolutely everything except the most dampened and skilled scout suit. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 4122	Posted - 2014.02.23 15:40:00 - [49] - Quote I'm a scout, so I prefer passive scanning- then I don't announce to everyone that I can see them. I am your scan error.
Tectonic Fusion 1115	Posted - 2014.02.23 17:39:00 - [50] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I'm a scout, so I prefer passive scanning- then I don't announce to everyone that I can see them. Therefore, the scanner is a waste of a slot to us. Solo Player Squad status: Locked

Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 965	Posted - 2014.02.23 17:57:00 - [51] - Quote Harpyja wrote: INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Qwak Qwak wrote: So apparently there are people who don't use scanners? My main skilled into scanner early and uses them all the time, they are very helpful and i believe them to be something essential even, well at least 1 per squad, but i like them because if your team is good, it will make them better, and get you points. and if your team is bad, it will help your team, get you points,(less), and help keep you alive because you know where they are. I made this alt to be a logi and i have to say i suck without scanners, i constantly am getting scanned down myself and killed. when i run with a squad i have noticed noone uses scanners. now if you have a very good team scanners aren't needed because they can protect you ( the logi) but most of the time they are mediocre at best. so my question is why don't more people use scanners? and should i start using one, in place of one of my logi equipment slots so that i die less with scrub teams? If you rely on scanners too much you will end up capping your awareness factor 10 fold and getting better at that requires time and patience. Ive ran dampeners for a while and i was amazed about how much people relied on it to aquire there targets, i could just sidestep a few meters away from a frontline assault and be completely invisible vs whole teams that are considered "Awesome" if these great players do not receive target data their reaction speeds dropped like a brick, ofcourse now they had no idea i was there and could not adjust to pre-fire or "get-ready" for me to rear the corner. I don't touch that thing and just react to moving pixels, it didnt excist in other shooters and i didnt need it there but i guess since most people buy wallhacks on PC shooter games, having there own legit wallhack here is what they need to not suck i suppose. Some form of scanners or radar exists in all major titles. But Dust's active scanners are the most powerful and rather game-breaking. In BF, you have to see the enemy in order to tag the enemy, and it doesn't last for as long. In CoD (the ones I played before I switched over to Dust completely), your active scanner was a piece of equipment you had to put on the ground, which had a limited scan radius. You were limited to one I believe and placing down a new one would destroy your previous one. They also produced a unique sound, were easily destroyed, and you can guarantee 100% stealth if you had the right perk to avoid detection. Dust's active scanner is too powerful. Reason I say this is because you can take it anywhere with you, in addition to having a rather long scan range in comparison to other major game titles. Not to even mention that the proto scanner can scan down absolutely everything except the most dampened and skilled scout suit. Cod allowed you to see people in real time anywhere on the map in some of the games It was some sort of killstreak or something and lasted for 30 seconds to a minuet
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 965	Posted - 2014.02.23 17:59:00 - [52] - Quote I love active scanners because people never expect a dampened scout to apear
Bones McGavins TacoCat Industries 517	Posted - 2014.02.23 18:37:00 - [53] - Quote Scanners give an extra element to the game. Scanners make scouts have an actual role in the game for flanking and removal of enemy entrenchment.
Omareth Nasadra The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 307	Posted - 2014.02.23 19:07:00 - [54] - Quote i used to rely heavily on scanner to find my targets, but then i switched to scout and found out that it was knida like a crutch to my strategic awareness, took me some time to adjust, but running scanner all the time actually make mercs worse in the long run, tunnel vision syndrome maybe Minmatar, In rust we trust!!! Omareth Nasadra/Erynyes
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core 523	Posted - 2014.02.23 19:21:00 - [55] - Quote When scanns got the WP, i skill into them to 3 and used them heavily with my squad,first few games i as about to hold down a sinigle point in a skirmish all by myself in a adv minilogi suit with mere 500ishEHP it was unreal,however i notice i got too dependent on them for a time;Been almost 3 months since iv touch a scanner. I dont think people realize the full efftect scanners have,knowing where the enemy is and where their apporching armys are coming is highly valuable,however when depended on for too long, it leaves you blind without it,impairs your sense of awareness and makes you and the game experience "soft".Scanners should have never been this pin point accurate, and a general indcation to which way players were would have sufficed but this....,this is disgusting. A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
sriven reddy Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.02.23 19:25:00 - [56] - Quote COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: Auris Lionesse wrote: Knowing is half the battle, because KNOWLEDGE IS POWER! Don't be silly, this is war and no war was ever fought with intel on the enemy. KNOWLEDGE IS A CRUTCH! Nope, all the l33t armies and soldiers of the past denied all intel so they could just rely on their senses and feel super O.G. DUST is no different, it's clearly not a tactical game with varying countervailable mechanics, it's just a test of unaided situational awareness. KNOWLEDGE IS NOT A CRUTCH Why? (assuming ure talking about war in general) because, War may not have been won just with intel, but It is definitely a HUGE FACTOR. If it wasn't, why were radars invented and why do u deploy scouts and spies. Although ure right, there is a higher sense of satisfaction for soldiers who have no intel provided.
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 3781	Posted - 2014.02.23 19:58:00 - [57] - Quote i use them on 2 of my commando suits because lets face it.....if a red sneaks up on me im 90% dead. on my regular assault suits and logi suits, i dont use them at all. Scout- "I'm going to knife you my commando!!!" commando turns around Commando- "FAAAAALCCCOOONNNNN PUUUUNNNCCCCHH!!"
Spectre-M The Generals General Tso's Alliance 293	Posted - 2014.02.23 20:23:00 - [58] - Quote I use to flank like a boss. Catching whole teams at choke points, dropping 3 before they notice where death is coming from. I got sick of being scanned every two seconds so I'm fighting fire with fire. But due to TTK being so low, I can't swap any plates for my complex dampener. Once TTK is fixed, we'll see a lot more diversity on the field because people won't be so afraid to drop a plate or extender for something else. Amarr Factional Warfare Loyalist Minnmatar in Amarr Armor I am a Wolf in Sheeps Clothing
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 1605	Posted - 2014.02.23 21:52:00 - [59] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Harpyja wrote: INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: If you rely on scanners too much you will end up capping your awareness factor 10 fold and getting better at that requires time and patience. Ive ran dampeners for a while and i was amazed about how much people relied on it to aquire there targets, i could just sidestep a few meters away from a frontline assault and be completely invisible vs whole teams that are considered "Awesome" if these great players do not receive target data their reaction speeds dropped like a brick, ofcourse now they had no idea i was there and could not adjust to pre-fire or "get-ready" for me to rear the corner. I don't touch that thing and just react to moving pixels, it didnt excist in other shooters and i didnt need it there but i guess since most people buy wallhacks on PC shooter games, having there own legit wallhack here is what they need to not suck i suppose. Some form of scanners or radar exists in all major titles. But Dust's active scanners are the most powerful and rather game-breaking. In BF, you have to see the enemy in order to tag the enemy, and it doesn't last for as long. In CoD (the ones I played before I switched over to Dust completely), your active scanner was a piece of equipment you had to put on the ground, which had a limited scan radius. You were limited to one I believe and placing down a new one would destroy your previous one. They also produced a unique sound, were easily destroyed, and you can guarantee 100% stealth if you had the right perk to avoid detection. Dust's active scanner is too powerful. Reason I say this is because you can take it anywhere with you, in addition to having a rather long scan range in comparison to other major game titles. Not to even mention that the proto scanner can scan down absolutely everything except the most dampened and skilled scout suit. Cod allowed you to see people in real time anywhere on the map in some of the games It was some sort of killstreak or something and lasted for 30 seconds to a minuet Yeah you called in a spy plane to scan the groundmap for you, 1) You could not get a spy plane every 3 seconds, you needed to fill a kill streak first, the scanner here can be spammed 2) The airspace could be full and you didnt get your plane at all 3) it put dots on the minimap, not in some huge ss way with chevrons trhough the friggin walls, with the head just below the red glowy 4) you did not see them in realtime, it was minimap based 5) i never used that one either, but cod has been 3 years so its a but fuzzy how it exactly worked. Quote:* Some form of scanners or radar exists in all major titles. I completely agree with you on this, but not in the form we have in Dust, dust mechanic works almost as bad as a hackers Wallhack in any of the pc games, now the package would be complete if DS3 users had an Aimbot to go with that Wallhack ....ow wait......F*CK... Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
ALPHA DECRIPTER Dragon-Empire 758	Posted - 2014.02.23 22:31:00 - [60] - Quote I use them for 2 reasons. 1) Squad needs some direction (can't find enemies(normally looking for a tank), is pinned down, about to use OB). 2) Crowd control. A lot of people panic once scanned and begin to second guess themselves. Those that panic take longer to reach there destination and some have even made a full retreat. This gives my team more time to eliminate any current threats and prepare for the next attack. If my squad needs no direction and the team is doing a good job of holding the enemy's attention then I either place uplinks, use stealth to disable the enemy's rear line, or switch to remotes to fortify our own defenses. Many will agree with me when I say that you should never become dependent on active scanners. Doing so is just nurfing yourself. Scout Tactician Dance puppets, DANCE!

Derpty Derp It's All Gone Derp 34	Posted - 2014.02.23 22:33:00 - [61] - Quote I use scanners on my dropship sometimes, just to make those pesky redliners glow like christmas lights xD
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 970	Posted - 2014.02.23 22:50:00 - [62] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Harpyja wrote: INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote: Some form of scanners or radar exists in all major titles. But Dust's active scanners are the most powerful and rather game-breaking. In BF, you have to see the enemy in order to tag the enemy, and it doesn't last for as long. In CoD (the ones I played before I switched over to Dust completely), your active scanner was a piece of equipment you had to put on the ground, which had a limited scan radius. You were limited to one I believe and placing down a new one would destroy your previous one. They also produced a unique sound, were easily destroyed, and you can guarantee 100% stealth if you had the right perk to avoid detection. Dust's active scanner is too powerful. Reason I say this is because you can take it anywhere with you, in addition to having a rather long scan range in comparison to other major game titles. Not to even mention that the proto scanner can scan down absolutely everything except the most dampened and skilled scout suit. Cod allowed you to see people in real time anywhere on the map in some of the games It was some sort of killstreak or something and lasted for 30 seconds to a minuet Yeah you called in a spy plane to scan the groundmap for you, 1) You could not get a spy plane every 3 seconds, you needed to fill a kill streak first, the scanner here can be spammed 2) The airspace could be full and you didnt get your plane at all 3) it put dots on the minimap, not in some huge ss way with chevrons trhough the friggin walls, with the head just below the red glowy 4) you did not see them in realtime, it was minimap based 5) i never used that one either, but cod has been 3 years so its a but fuzzy how it exactly worked. Quote:* Some form of scanners or radar exists in all major titles. I completely agree with you on this, but not in the form we have in Dust, dust mechanic works almost as bad as a hackers Wallhack in any of the pc games, now the package would be complete if DS3 users had an Aimbot to go with that Wallhack ....ow wait......F*CK...[/quote] It was in real time http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120202084411/callofduty/images/9/96/SR71-Minimap-BO.jpg It worked no matter how full air space is, same goes for the uav Edit: Quotes got all messed up
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 156	Posted - 2014.02.23 23:04:00 - [63] - Quote Scanners are for people who suck at fps games. Pretty much like every other item in DUST. I've never seen so many crutches. Or bad players looking for that easy button. Or such a mess of a developer. I was thinking earlier of other games like DUST. There just aren't any. This steamy dogpile panders to the worst players. If they were any good they'd play COD. But they don't. They try to make it sound like DUST is better, but nobody believes them. I mean, come on. COD has how many players? And has made how much money? No crappy skill system, none of it. Players are all on even ground as far as equipment and such. Number one, has been for years, will still be when nobody remembers what DUST even was. And that makes me laugh. Just what game will all the bad players go to when this one ends? I'd really like to know so I can watch that horror show unfold like this one. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1798	Posted - 2014.02.24 03:50:00 - [64] - Quote COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: People who call scanners a crutch are just stuck in the old ways and are only going to be able to block their ears and 'lalalalala' for so long. They are the first of many systems that will encompass electronic warfare. People can choose to not use them so that they can feel good about themselves but unless CCP have scrapped this element of combat, ewar is coming and will play a big role on the battlefield. Advanced scanning displaying frame size Tacnet denial Tacnet intel manipulation Voice comms denial These were just a few examples given by CCP Remnant at FF last year. Feel free to rely just on your senses when the enemy squad has shut off your minimap, can see where you are, what you are and which way your facing with a couple of stealthed up scouts heading your way. I personally love situational awareness mechanics and will be specialising in all forms of intel gathering/denial/manipulation on my main. Now, if we had any of those counters to scanners, then there's be no problem. But since we have none of those, the scanner is uncounterable, leaving anybody open to see anybody else within 100m Looking for a Interesting Character Name? Why Not Zoidberg?
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1667	Posted - 2014.02.24 04:25:00 - [65] - Quote I use scanners. And i maxxed the last last passive scanning skill today. And i keep my head on a swivel. On my alt i've got only 1 level in active scanners - i've started thinkng of it as the 'stupid detector'. Pick up an amazing number of peeps with it. I support SP rollover.
Eberk Baldek Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 33	Posted - 2014.02.24 06:49:00 - [66] - Quote Harpyja wrote: In my humble opinion, I think scanners shouldn't exist in the first place (at least handheld scanners). At the least anyone using a scanner should light up to the enemy for an equivalent duration of time, reduced only by that player's suit dB. I personally don't use scanners because I just consider them a crutch I don't want to become reliant upon. And second, I don't want to give up any one of my uplink, repair tool, or injector on my logi. I disagree. They're both pretty useful and a cool addition to the game. The whole hide-and-seek side of the game is going to get even more interesting with 1.8's cloaking. At some point they should add smoke grenades, etc.
Repe Susi Rautaleijona Top Men. 1040	Posted - 2014.02.24 07:08:00 - [67] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: People who call scanners a crutch are just stuck in the old ways and are only going to be able to block their ears and 'lalalalala' for so long. They are the first of many systems that will encompass electronic warfare. People can choose to not use them so that they can feel good about themselves but unless CCP have scrapped this element of combat, ewar is coming and will play a big role on the battlefield. Advanced scanning displaying frame size Tacnet denial Tacnet intel manipulation Voice comms denial These were just a few examples given by CCP Remnant at FF last year. Feel free to rely just on your senses when the enemy squad has shut off your minimap, can see where you are, what you are and which way your facing with a couple of stealthed up scouts heading your way. I personally love situational awareness mechanics and will be specialising in all forms of intel gathering/denial/manipulation on my main. Now, if we had any of those counters to scanners, then there's be no problem. But since we have none of those, the scanner is uncounterable, leaving anybody open to see anybody else within 100m I might've misunderstood your post but are you really saying you have no counter to scanners? My 'Scanning prevented' says otherwise. Even on a med frame you can evade most scanners. Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~ Isaac Asimov
Zack3000 Smith Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 13	Posted - 2014.02.24 07:28:00 - [68] - Quote I do not use scanners. When a team mate does use one it distracts me. Most of the time you can look at the mini map or a team mate and know the general direction the enemy is in. Yes scanners are a crutch and should not be in the game. yes it does not tell you if the enemy is behind that wall but you know he is somewhere in front of you. I honestly dont know why its even in the game. If there is one thing dust could do with out it is scanners.
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 341	Posted - 2014.02.24 08:02:00 - [69] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: People who call scanners a crutch are just stuck in the old ways and are only going to be able to block their ears and 'lalalalala' for so long. They are the first of many systems that will encompass electronic warfare. People can choose to not use them so that they can feel good about themselves but unless CCP have scrapped this element of combat, ewar is coming and will play a big role on the battlefield. Advanced scanning displaying frame size Tacnet denial Tacnet intel manipulation Voice comms denial These were just a few examples given by CCP Remnant at FF last year. Feel free to rely just on your senses when the enemy squad has shut off your minimap, can see where you are, what you are and which way your facing with a couple of stealthed up scouts heading your way. I personally love situational awareness mechanics and will be specialising in all forms of intel gathering/denial/manipulation on my main. Now, if we had any of those counters to scanners, then there's be no problem. But since we have none of those, the scanner is uncounterable, leaving anybody open to see anybody else within 100m Dude, what are you talking about? Profile dampeners are your counter. People want to have their cake and eat it too, running around with heaps of armor and resources for damage mods. They hate scanners because the counter to intel gathering requires them to sacrifice their killing/staying power. I counter scanner all the time, infact even as a ******* logi with maxed electronics tree skills I was RARELY scanned. People just don't want to adapt to the intel element of the game...not that I give a damn because I like it and it's not going anywhere. Subterfuge and terrorist GOD in the making Proud Minmatar - Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL Love the Art of War
Ninja Troll DUST University Ivy League 33	Posted - 2014.02.24 17:32:00 - [70] - Quote Harpyja wrote: In my humble opinion, I think scanners shouldn't exist in the first place (at least handheld scanners). At the least anyone using a scanner should light up to the enemy for an equivalent duration of time, reduced only by that player's suit dB. I personally don't use scanners because I just consider them a crutch I don't want to become reliant upon. And second, I don't want to give up any one of my uplink, repair tool, or injector on my logi. I agree about the enemy with scanner showing up during scan time. When I see Scan Attempt Prevented, I usually hunt them down if it's not a vehicle. There's been a couple of kills while the enemy was scanning. Adv Scout with SG + RE I enjoy killing Heavies, Snipers, and Scanemies.

Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 70	Posted - 2014.02.24 17:57:00 - [71] - Quote I only use them because hovering above an objective and scanning with a dropships gets you railroaded into a million pieces. Sees prototompers... Sees blueberries start to snipe... Pulls out commando suit with laser rifle and swarm launcher...


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