DUST Search - Playing without scanners?

Heathen Bastard wrote:

COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote:

People who call scanners a crutch are just stuck in the old ways and are only going to be able to block their ears and 'lalalalala' for so long.

They are the first of many systems that will encompass electronic warfare. People can choose to not use them so that they can feel good about themselves but unless CCP have scrapped this element of combat, ewar is coming and will play a big role on the battlefield.

Advanced scanning displaying frame size
Tacnet denial
Tacnet intel manipulation
Voice comms denial

These were just a few examples given by CCP Remnant at FF last year. Feel free to rely just on your senses when the enemy squad has shut off your minimap, can see where you are, what you are and which way your facing with a couple of stealthed up scouts heading your way.

I personally love situational awareness mechanics and will be specialising in all forms of intel gathering/denial/manipulation on my main.

Yeah, here's the thing, I don't need a tacnet to punch through your skull with my knives while you flail helplessly because your scanners aren't picking me up. I use these old things called my eyes. Sure, they don't see through walls nearly as easily, but they're also remarkably hard to fool. And I'll be cloaked, so good luck, and remember: always check your six every second or two, because that's all a scout needs to rip you in half.

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Qwak Qwak Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.02.23 03:38:00 - [1] - Quote So apparently there are people who don't use scanners? My main skilled into scanner early and uses them all the time, they are very helpful and i believe them to be something essential even, well at least 1 per squad, but i like them because if your team is good, it will make them better, and get you points. and if your team is bad, it will help your team, get you points,(less), and help keep you alive because you know where they are. I made this alt to be a logi and i have to say i suck without scanners, i constantly am getting scanned down myself and killed. when i run with a squad i have noticed noone uses scanners. now if you have a very good team scanners aren't needed because they can protect you ( the logi) but most of the time they are mediocre at best. so my question is why don't more people use scanners? and should i start using one, in place of one of my logi equipment slots so that i die less with scrub teams?
Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1176	Posted - 2014.02.23 03:45:00 - [2] - Quote In my humble opinion, I think scanners shouldn't exist in the first place (at least handheld scanners). At the least anyone using a scanner should light up to the enemy for an equivalent duration of time, reduced only by that player's suit dB. I personally don't use scanners because I just consider them a crutch I don't want to become reliant upon. And second, I don't want to give up any one of my uplink, repair tool, or injector on my logi. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 217	Posted - 2014.02.23 03:45:00 - [3] - Quote facepalm
Tectonic Fusion 1102	Posted - 2014.02.23 03:47:00 - [4] - Quote I have level 2 scanners, but don't use them. My eyes are pretty good, and I have good hearing. I don't see a use for them other than removing the fun of some players when I feel like trolling. Harpyja wrote: In my humble opinion, I think scanners shouldn't exist in the first place (at least handheld scanners). At the least anyone using a scanner should light up to the enemy for an equivalent duration of time, reduced only by that player's suit dB. I personally don't use scanners because I just consider them a crutch I don't want to become reliant upon. And second, I don't want to give up any one of my uplink, repair tool, or injector on my logi. Also a nanohive on some fits after you deploy uplinks. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Reapers' Assailant 776	Posted - 2014.02.23 03:47:00 - [5] - Quote Always. Psycho Scout The more I see the less I like, is it over yet? DONT. TOUCH. ME.
Forever ETC 703rd 21	Posted - 2014.02.23 03:50:00 - [6] - Quote Ask your Corpmates to skill into scanners and stick with that player. I run Commando with remotes and scanners, and I have been great help to one of our Logi. Well, time to go Commando. Fill the Ranks at 703rd. Love,Hate, and everything in between.- ETC 2013
axis alpha Red Star. EoN. 230	Posted - 2014.02.23 03:51:00 - [7] - Quote Crutch. If I had a scanner I'd never die. I've never used a scanner once. Only time I have used one is when someone in my squad pulls one out. The best part of waking up, is whiskey in my cuuuuup!
Nocturnal Soul Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2006	Posted - 2014.02.23 03:55:00 - [8] - Quote Put lvl 1 into scanners and felt dirty for using it and this is coming from a guy who runs into a heavily populated enemy controlled area with RE's. "But we have been blessed"
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 985	Posted - 2014.02.23 03:59:00 - [9] - Quote I hate active scanners with a passion, but at the same time, I love them. People like you have no idea how to use your eyes anymore, so they make very easy targets while you panicscan to try and find the scout, as if scanning more often will suddenly make them pop up. If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 486	Posted - 2014.02.23 03:59:00 - [10] - Quote Waaaaallllllll Haccccccccccccckkkkkkksssssssss. Not only dose it show their location but which way their facing, THAT is OP as hell and dosent make sence.

DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 4380	Posted - 2014.02.23 03:59:00 - [11] - Quote I'm confident enough in my own abilities to not need to degrade myself to cheap parlor trips. My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Anarchide, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 1142	Posted - 2014.02.23 04:07:00 - [12] - Quote There's advantages for using scanners and there's disadvantages. The advantage is that you get to see your enemies even if they're hidden. Also currently allows you to track people easily. The disadvantage is that you get Tunnel Vision from relying on the scanner. That's extremely bad considering that people can sneak up on you if properly fitted or you could miss a guy and they end up popping you. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
axis alpha Red Star. EoN. 230	Posted - 2014.02.23 04:07:00 - [13] - Quote Notice all the vets saying we don't use scanners? We are like old *ucks Who don't want to let go of old ways. Lol The best part of waking up, is whiskey in my cuuuuup!
The Eristic Sad Panda Solutions 216	Posted - 2014.02.23 04:08:00 - [14] - Quote I have five characters (and about to make a sixth for a special quasi-RP project). The only one that ever uses a scanner is my Commando alt, because it makes sense for his slow, suppressive playstyle. I refuse to skill into anything above the basic, though, until the next patch. The fact that currently scouts get picked up by advanced without crazy SP investment and/or giving up precious lows is problematic, imo.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 4380	Posted - 2014.02.23 04:22:00 - [15] - Quote axis alpha wrote: Notice all the vets saying we don't use scanners? We are like old *ucks Who don't want to let go of old ways. Lol More like people who prefer the satisfaction that comes with hard work. It's akin to writing a thank you letter in cursive vs. sending an E-mail. My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Anarchide, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 647	Posted - 2014.02.23 04:24:00 - [16] - Quote Used them at first, but it just started feeling like cheating. Just a bad idea to introduce them into the game in general. CCP your matchmaking is better but still sucks a fair amount Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1781	Posted - 2014.02.23 04:24:00 - [17] - Quote The only scanner I use is on my Soma, which I don't use because I like money, and I suck at driving even these OP tanks. I Just Dual Tank and use Nanohives for my CR. Looking for a Interesting Character Name? Why Not Zoidberg?
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 869	Posted - 2014.02.23 04:47:00 - [18] - Quote I only use scanners on a couple of scout fits or my logi. One's to help with knifing (I tend to get target fixated and the terrible peripheral vision doesn't help) and the other is for my teams benefit. I run solo quite often so all my fits are based on independence - pretty hard to do if you run out of ammo, so I prefer to carry hives. I really do believe the scanner has a place, and its to highlight for your team a threat you are already aware of. The changes proposed for 1.8 seem to confirm this. I also hope that scanning will become the new role for scouts - we can remain hidden and have a better passive scanner so we can place the 'snapshot' scan in the best place that highlights the most targets. "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 75	Posted - 2014.02.23 04:57:00 - [19] - Quote Qwak Qwak wrote: So apparently there are people who don't use scanners? My main skilled into scanner early and uses them all the time, they are very helpful and i believe them to be something essential even, well at least 1 per squad, but i like them because if your team is good, it will make them better, and get you points. and if your team is bad, it will help your team, get you points,(less), and help keep you alive because you know where they are. I made this alt to be a logi and i have to say i suck without scanners, i constantly am getting scanned down myself and killed. when i run with a squad i have noticed noone uses scanners. now if you have a very good team scanners aren't needed because they can protect you ( the logi) but most of the time they are mediocre at best. so my question is why don't more people use scanners? and should i start using one, in place of one of my logi equipment slots so that i die less with scrub teams? I'm a heavy. Whats a scanner? Unleash the Fogwoggler
Greasepalms Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 483	Posted - 2014.02.23 05:11:00 - [20] - Quote don't use them .. only on my logi for support purposes, not to wallhack clueless scrubs.

Sgt Buttscratch KILL-EM-QUICK 1753	Posted - 2014.02.23 05:21:00 - [21] - Quote I prefer my passive, scanners do get you intel, but also give the enemy a heads up, then they'll scan.. I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 1168	Posted - 2014.02.23 05:54:00 - [22] - Quote Scouts only have one equipment slot in their use, and while a scanner could help me greatly in finding enemies and killing them, I prefer my remote explosives. It isn't really because I hate the current meta for active scanners, but because I don't really need them. I've improved my passive scanning, allowing me to pick up nearly all suits while I remain hidden. It may be not as big of a range as an active scanner, but I can use it all the time, and I'm not completely defensless for several seconds. On top of that, when people know they're being scanned, they'll keep their guard up and diminish my chances of successfully sneaking. And generally, I just have good situational awareness. I got a good headset which lets me locate people better when they're firing, and I can spot silhuettes from quite long distances. There's also the occasional sound of footsteps I hear, but that isn't nearly as reliable as gunfire. But to summarize, I don't really need an active scanner because I have good situational awareness already, allowing me to use something else like remote explosives, uplinks or nanohives. Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Feb. 10th
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1744	Posted - 2014.02.23 06:08:00 - [23] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Waaaaallllllll Haccccccccccccckkkkkkksssssssss. Not only dose it show their location but which way their facing, THAT is OP as hell and dosent make sence. It does make sense, but debatable on balance. I think it's fine tbh. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Nosid Katona HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 80	Posted - 2014.02.23 06:25:00 - [24] - Quote I stopped using the scanner recently after I noticed how much my senses had dulled, it honestly makes your situational awareness crap. I mean it is the only Gal equipment (the reason I picked it up.) but it is just too much of a crutch, causing your skills to stagnate and even decline after prolonged reliance on it. I replaced it with a 50% needle and you know what? My gun game has begun to improve once more and people even enjoy being picked up with an ADV needle, rather then poor noobs picking them up in front of enemies. Do I die more then with the scanner? I'd say so. However I feel I've earned every kill since I put down the scanner. >:D Vae Victis Valor Vet, R.I.P MAG
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 987	Posted - 2014.02.23 06:32:00 - [25] - Quote Nosid Katona wrote: I stopped using the scanner recently after I noticed how much my senses had dulled, it honestly makes your situational awareness crap. I mean it is the only Gal equipment (the reason I picked it up.) but it is just too much of a crutch, causing your skills to stagnate and even decline after prolonged reliance on it. I replaced it with a 50% needle and you know what? My gun game has begun to improve once more and people even enjoy being picked up with an ADV needle, rather then poor noobs picking them up in front of enemies. Do I die more then with the scanner? I'd say so. However I feel I've earned every kill since I put down the scanner. >:D That does make sense, Gal tech is all about using a bunch of drones to do your work while you do nothing, and it makes you as an individual less powerful in a straight fight without them. If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 317	Posted - 2014.02.23 06:46:00 - [26] - Quote People who call scanners a crutch are just stuck in the old ways and are only going to be able to block their ears and 'lalalalala' for so long. They are the first of many systems that will encompass electronic warfare. People can choose to not use them so that they can feel good about themselves but unless CCP have scrapped this element of combat, ewar is coming and will play a big role on the battlefield. Advanced scanning displaying frame size Tacnet denial Tacnet intel manipulation Voice comms denial These were just a few examples given by CCP Remnant at FF last year. Feel free to rely just on your senses when the enemy squad has shut off your minimap, can see where you are, what you are and which way your facing with a couple of stealthed up scouts heading your way. I personally love situational awareness mechanics and will be specialising in all forms of intel gathering/denial/manipulation on my main. Subterfuge and terrorist GOD in the making Proud Minmatar - Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL Love the Art of War
Baltazar Pontain Phantom Universe Task Force Die Fremdenlegion 84	Posted - 2014.02.23 06:59:00 - [27] - Quote For me it is about fun. If I do not have fun, I do not play it. Even if it is the fotm of the month. So maybe I am not the normal "on the edge" gamer. I never get used to scanners and didn't like the playstyle. Every (put a number here) seconds you have to switch to it, turn yourself in a circle and pray for "No margin errors". That is the reason why I skipped scanners. But they are definetly very useful. Just not my playstyle. But as mentioned above I even like to play weapons that not many other people use like: plasma cannon or laser rifle.
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 987	Posted - 2014.02.23 07:02:00 - [28] - Quote COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: People who call scanners a crutch are just stuck in the old ways and are only going to be able to block their ears and 'lalalalala' for so long. They are the first of many systems that will encompass electronic warfare. People can choose to not use them so that they can feel good about themselves but unless CCP have scrapped this element of combat, ewar is coming and will play a big role on the battlefield. Advanced scanning displaying frame size Tacnet denial Tacnet intel manipulation Voice comms denial These were just a few examples given by CCP Remnant at FF last year. Feel free to rely just on your senses when the enemy squad has shut off your minimap, can see where you are, what you are and which way your facing with a couple of stealthed up scouts heading your way. I personally love situational awareness mechanics and will be specialising in all forms of intel gathering/denial/manipulation on my main. Yeah, here's the thing, I don't need a tacnet to punch through your skull with my knives while you flail helplessly because your scanners aren't picking me up. I use these old things called my eyes. Sure, they don't see through walls nearly as easily, but they're also remarkably hard to fool. And I'll be cloaked, so good luck, and remember: always check your six every second or two, because that's all a scout needs to rip you in half. If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 494	Posted - 2014.02.23 07:03:00 - [29] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: People who call scanners a crutch are just stuck in the old ways and are only going to be able to block their ears and 'lalalalala' for so long. They are the first of many systems that will encompass electronic warfare. People can choose to not use them so that they can feel good about themselves but unless CCP have scrapped this element of combat, ewar is coming and will play a big role on the battlefield. Advanced scanning displaying frame size Tacnet denial Tacnet intel manipulation Voice comms denial These were just a few examples given by CCP Remnant at FF last year. Feel free to rely just on your senses when the enemy squad has shut off your minimap, can see where you are, what you are and which way your facing with a couple of stealthed up scouts heading your way. I personally love situational awareness mechanics and will be specialising in all forms of intel gathering/denial/manipulation on my main. Yeah, here's the thing, I don't need a tacnet to punch through your skull with my knives while you flail helplessly because your scanners aren't picking me up. I use these old things called my eyes. Sure, they don't see through walls nearly as easily, but they're also remarkably hard to fool. And I'll be cloaked, so good luck, and remember: always check your six every second or two, because that's all a scout needs to rip you in half. Satisfying isnt it? Got a nk kill on a guy 369 scanning before I never use scanners I dont use wallhacks... 2 exile assault rifles, Skinweave cal. frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame Caldari Master Race One day shields, soon.
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1747	Posted - 2014.02.23 07:15:00 - [30] - Quote I use them, but just to know how to avoid the medium frames carrying around their OP rifles. If I get the rror message, I think "It's just another scout", and kill the scout, then move on. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-



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