Yes.

I want to OHK Gallente Scum.

Caldari

This is the one Caldari weapon (Besides Sniper) that Should not have a charge-up time. It should be able to charge, but you shouldn't HAVE to charge to get a 2-3HK. Charging should be for 1HKing Infantry or heavies (if shot in the face), and for a range of maybe 30m if fully charged (There should still be spread, just a bit tighter then the current Shotgun). Non Charged range should be 10ish meters

This should be a shotgun for the Med and Heavy Frames, and should be balanced as such

I think the model should take a few cues from the Shotgun in the Halo Series. Perhaps more cubical then the Halo Shotty, But keeping the Pump, and have the pump be a cue for when it can fire

Minmatar

The slowest shotgun to fire, but able to give a heavy a bad day if all pellets connect. Its Optimal should be about 15-ish meters, and it should be the closest to RL firearms then the other shottys. Having double the pellets count of the other shotguns, but 3/4ths the damage per pellet, and the widest spread of the 4.

Another Shotty for the Meds to use, less for heavies because the Spread makes it necessary to get close in to do any real damage.

The model should be kinda similar to a Uzi made into a shotgun, while keeping the Pump from the cladari, but making the animation longer, and having the guy Point the shotgun up (perhaps because the Minamtar forgot to invent gun oil!) to pump the shotgun.

Amarr

The 2nd Scout shotty, and the long range one at that. Shoots less like a shotgun as we think, and more like a shotgun with slugs, doing Gal Shotty Damage at a slower ROF at 12-13 meters, but only having 1-3 Pellets

Perhaps could take a stylization cue from the ScR and a sawn-off. Imagine a One Handed, shortened ScR Looking weapon.


That my Ideas on the shotguns, Hope to get them eventually.

No. Racial parity would demand that weapons stick within corresponding distances and I don't think we'll ever see a Caldari weapon with less than 40 meters range Nova Knives aside.

Sorry but you idea for minmatar is completly against racial profile, Minmatar is fast and furious.
However I do like the idea for an optional charge on the caldari but on the amarr.

Swap your caldari and amarr.

Hmm, well the idea was that the Minnies were fast, therefore they could run up and blap the guys with all the pellets.

And it doesn't seem right for the race that's pretty much been the poster boy for the Med frame to get a scout shotty to me at least. And they are the longest range race. Makes sense for a shotgun that compete with their pistol at least.

No. Each race's weapons should pertain to their range.

The idea of gallente sniper rifles or caldari shotguns is ridiculous.

I kinda wish using your races weapons mattered more, I should be able to use other racial equipment and weapons but they shouldnt preform aswell. Tho ccps racial logi and camando bonuses are kinda leanign that way.

There are the suits
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There you have that knifes

I don't see why not.

I've always thought a pulse laser shotgun would be ******* awesome, and I don't even like Amarr tech

theres more too, somewhere on the forums. Im almost positive there were shotguns in one of the pics

I know but he wanted just knifest, if you want just google eve fanfest racial weapons or something like that and you will have more

Oki i goin to do that there is some weapons

ok TY
Yeah i think thats the pic, that and one other

I saw another one aswel but it will be a while till i-¦ll find it :P

btw you can see here (in second colum from left and i thing second from top) seems like caldari shoty, but still it can be a early ideas.

the one next to it looks like it may be either amarr shotgun, or early scrambler rifle, the first one in the 3rd row is the amarr launcher, last row second column looks like MAYBE the minmitar shotgun

This sort of thinking is absolutely ridiculous.

I'm all for having weapons fall into a race's design philosophy, but that doesn't mean that a race entirely forgoes an entire role...


For an illustration of my point, lets look at the other game that uses these races that DOES have all the weapons fleshed out. EVE.

Caldari do have weapons that work well at long range. Many of their ships work well with railguns, or for PVE, cruise missiles. However, they still have close range brawlers. The harpy, or eagle with blasters. The hookbill or raven with short range missiles (rockets or torps). They are known to have relatively slow and tanky ships, but still have ships that are better suited to lighter tank and skirmishing like the cerberus. Caldari are known for a general lack of drones. But they still have a carrier and a supercarrier.

Gallente have weapons that work well at short range. The hyperion, talos, or thorax come to mind. However they have ships which are very well suited to long range. Sentry-dominix, megathron, and rail proteus come to mind. Gallente, they're armour tankers right? Yes they are. But that doesn't stop an ishtar or arazu from sporting shield tanks.

Minmatar are projectiles, skirmishing, shields right? Yep, the tempest, vagabond or vagabond fit that philosophy very nicely. But the maelstrom is most certainly a brawler, the typhoon fits missiles, and the rupture armour tanks. They may have fast ships that hit hard and fade away, but that doesn't stop them from having a dreadnought to fill the role.

Amarr certainly. They are the most defined right? Lasers, armour, brawling, tanky. shiny hulls. Yep, the apocalypse or the zealot fit this perfectly. But the Curse is a shield tanked drone boat. The sacrilege shoots nothing but missiles, and the oracle often skirmishes with a shield tank.


What am I trying to say?

1) Everything a particular race uses doesn't necessarily need to fit into one specific niche. All races should be viable at all battlefield tasks. Races can have items or weapons that may fall outside of what their general design philosophy is.

2) Racial balancing means that while all races might have a viable sniper, the caldari sniper might be able to out-damage them at extreme range, or the gallente shotgun may have the most damage at extreme close ranges.

3) If you need a lore reason for having a gallente sniper rifle... do you really think Gallente generals have completely overlooked the advantages of having snipers? Or caldari ones the advantages of close-range weapons?

Minmitar=AA-12
Caldari=Futuristic Remington
Amarr=? scrambler rifle thats modified to shoot multiple blasts?

This sort of thinking is absolutely ridiculous.

I'm all for having weapons fall into a race's design philosophy, but that doesn't mean that a race entirely forgoes an entire role...


For an illustration of my point, lets look at the other game that uses these races that DOES have all the weapons fleshed out. EVE.

Caldari do have weapons that work well at long range. Many of their ships work well with railguns, or for PVE, cruise missiles. However, they still have close range brawlers. The harpy, or eagle with blasters. The hookbill or raven with short range missiles (rockets or torps). They are known to have relatively slow and tanky ships, but still have ships that are better suited to lighter tank and skirmishing like the cerberus. Caldari are known for a general lack of drones. But they still have a carrier and a supercarrier.

Gallente have weapons that work well at short range. The hyperion, talos, or thorax come to mind. However they have ships which are very well suited to long range. Sentry-dominix, megathron, and rail proteus come to mind. Gallente, they're armour tankers right? Yes they are. But that doesn't stop an ishtar or arazu from sporting shield tanks.

Minmatar are projectiles, skirmishing, shields right? Yep, the tempest, vagabond or vagabond fit that philosophy very nicely. But the maelstrom is most certainly a brawler, the typhoon fits missiles, and the rupture armour tanks. They may have fast ships that hit hard and fade away, but that doesn't stop them from having a dreadnought to fill the role.

Amarr certainly. They are the most defined right? Lasers, armour, brawling, tanky. shiny hulls. Yep, the apocalypse or the zealot fit this perfectly. But the Curse is a shield tanked drone boat. The sacrilege shoots nothing but missiles, and the oracle often skirmishes with a shield tank.


What am I trying to say?

1) Everything a particular race uses doesn't necessarily need to fit into one specific niche. All races should be viable at all battlefield tasks. Races can have items or weapons that may fall outside of what their general design philosophy is.

2) Racial balancing means that while all races might have a viable sniper, the caldari sniper might be able to out-damage them at extreme range, or the gallente shotgun may have the most damage at extreme close ranges.

3) If you need a lore reason for having a gallente sniper rifle... do you really think Gallente generals have completely overlooked the advantages of having snipers? Or caldari ones the advantages of close-range weapons?

This is the point exactly.

Weapons should fit a design philosophy and tech-choice, but the races still need to fill each individual role.

All of these empires existed a long time before running into each other. They had many many years of space exploration before encountering each other. They would've had to develop infantry weapons at some point.

People that say "NO, WE ALREADY HAVE A SNIPER RIFLE, HERP-DERP!" Are ignoring the fact that at one point these were all separate empires. How do they think conflicts went down?

Gallente Private: "Lieutenant, the Caldari seem to have Snipers deployed!"
Gallente Lt.: "Damn... it's like they know we only have short range weapons! That's cunning of them! Well, let's rush them and hope they run out of ammo."

Amarr Miles: "Sesquiplicarius, the heathens seem to have a few tanks deployed!"
Amarr Sesquiplicarius: "Damn... if only we'd already encountered the Gallente/Caldari civilizations so we'd have AV."
Amarr Miles: "Who?"
Amarr Sesquiplicarius: "Nothing, I exist in a fictional world where we didn't bother creating AV technologies for centuries after having space travel. Instead we bummed tech off people we were technically not on good terms with for the majority of the time since we met."
Amarr Miles: "That's ridiculous...?"
Amarr Sesquiplicarius: "That's fullretard Dust 514 posters."

Sorry, but this is simply wrong

Mass driver is the minmitar launcher weapon
Laser rifle is the amarr precision weapon
Sniper rifle is the caldari precision weapon
Shotgun is the gallente shotgun (like the AR is the gallente AR)

I don't want to sound mean, but CCP has already put up info about wanting an Amarr launcher weapon to go with the cal swarm launcher, the min MD, and the gal PLC. The precision rifle is going to be the minmitar precision weapon, and I'm not completely sure, but i thought i saw shotguns in a concept art from a while ago with pictures of racial launchers, knives, SMGS, pistols, and snipers

Neither of these posts are necessarily wrong, but they're not really correct either.
These are labels that you, as players, have attached to these weapons. If you can find a source for CCP saying this, go ahead and link it, but neither of you are right.

Last time I checked, technically both the Swarm Launcher and Plasma Cannon are classified as "Launchers", and sit in the same category as the Mass Driver. This might be subject to change though, and doesn't preclude the inclusion of a Minmatar AV weapon of some kind (but I'm not saying there's one in the works. Just means we wouldn't never introduce one).