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Ansiiis The Trustworthy Mocking Bird Inc. 707	Posted - 2014.02.23 10:18:00 - [61] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: nope... shotgun is a special type of weapon. each race has their own. gal = shotgun mini = MD amarr = LR caldari = sniper rifles other racial versions not necessary there are already like 100 versions of each light weapon. do we really need another 100 of each racial version of a shotgun/md/lr/sniper rifle Are you ******* kidding? That's the worst idea ever. Corporate sponsor of those in need. Master of Coin.
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1748	Posted - 2014.02.23 18:50:00 - [62] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: nope... shotgun is a special type of weapon. each race has their own. gal = shotgun mini = MD amarr = LR caldari = sniper rifles other racial versions not necessary Sorry, but this is simply wrong Mass driver is the minmitar launcher weapon Laser rifle is the amarr precision weapon Sniper rifle is the caldari precision weapon Shotgun is the gallente shotgun (like the AR is the gallente AR) I don't want to sound mean, but CCP has already put up info about wanting an Amarr launcher weapon to go with the cal swarm launcher, the min MD, and the gal PLC. The precision rifle is going to be the minmitar precision weapon, and I'm not completely sure, but i thought i saw shotguns in a concept art from a while ago with pictures of racial launchers, knives, SMGS, pistols, and snipers MD can be used as a shotgun so...... 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1666	Posted - 2014.02.23 19:17:00 - [63] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: my ideas are M- automatic shotgun, kinda like the this i highly encourage all to watch the video C-Would be a slug shotgun, like a futuristic remington, with very high damage, but one round in the magazine and a very low reticle, so more designed for eliminating enemies at mid range rather than super CQC, following their fighting style A-Im having trouble with, i was think something that fires multiple scrambler rifle shots, the more it is charged the more it fires, but the shots are very close ranged compared to the rifle Wrt to your original question i do want to see fully filled out racial lineups for all weapons classes. Sooner rather than later. But it's pointless if those racial versions of a weapons class do not have significantly different characteristics and feel. I like your list above for that reason. The idea of the Minmatars with something like the AA-12 with the mini-frag grenades is in perfect harmony with our racial modus operandi. A short-range autoFlaylok. I support SP rollover.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 802	Posted - 2014.02.23 19:33:00 - [64] - Quote Martyr Saboteur wrote: Each race already has close range weapons... Amarr Scrambler Pistol Caldari Nova Knives Gallente Shotgun Minmatar SMG They don't have CQC light weapons thoughGÇª. Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 802	Posted - 2014.02.23 19:35:00 - [65] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Call back to me when there's a Gallente weapon that doesn't do LOL for damage at 80 meters. Gallente weapons do need a buff for damage, i think I've mentioned that several times, but a long range precision weapon fro them would be 100 meters optimal max Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 802	Posted - 2014.02.23 19:36:00 - [66] - Quote Zeylon Rho wrote: Kitt 514 wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: No. Each race's weapons should pertain to their range. The idea of gallente sniper rifles or caldari shotguns is ridiculous. This sort of thinking is absolutely ridiculous. I'm all for having weapons fall into a race's design philosophy, but that doesn't mean that a race entirely forgoes an entire role... For an illustration of my point, lets look at the other game that uses these races that DOES have all the weapons fleshed out. EVE. Caldari do have weapons that work well at long range. Many of their ships work well with railguns, or for PVE, cruise missiles. However, they still have close range brawlers. The harpy, or eagle with blasters. The hookbill or raven with short range missiles (rockets or torps). They are known to have relatively slow and tanky ships, but still have ships that are better suited to lighter tank and skirmishing like the cerberus. Caldari are known for a general lack of drones. But they still have a carrier and a supercarrier. Gallente have weapons that work well at short range. The hyperion, talos, or thorax come to mind. However they have ships which are very well suited to long range. Sentry-dominix, megathron, and rail proteus come to mind. Gallente, they're armour tankers right? Yes they are. But that doesn't stop an ishtar or arazu from sporting shield tanks. Minmatar are projectiles, skirmishing, shields right? Yep, the tempest, vagabond or vagabond fit that philosophy very nicely. But the maelstrom is most certainly a brawler, the typhoon fits missiles, and the rupture armour tanks. They may have fast ships that hit hard and fade away, but that doesn't stop them from having a dreadnought to fill the role. Amarr certainly. They are the most defined right? Lasers, armour, brawling, tanky. shiny hulls. Yep, the apocalypse or the zealot fit this perfectly. But the Curse is a shield tanked drone boat. The sacrilege shoots nothing but missiles, and the oracle often skirmishes with a shield tank. What am I trying to say? 1) Everything a particular race uses doesn't necessarily need to fit into one specific niche. All races should be viable at all battlefield tasks. Races can have items or weapons that may fall outside of what their general design philosophy is. 2) Racial balancing means that while all races might have a viable sniper, the caldari sniper might be able to out-damage them at extreme range, or the gallente shotgun may have the most damage at extreme close ranges. 3) If you need a lore reason for having a gallente sniper rifle... do you really think Gallente generals have completely overlooked the advantages of having snipers? Or caldari ones the advantages of close-range weapons? This is the point exactly. Weapons should fit a design philosophy and tech-choice, but the races still need to fill each individual role. All of these empires existed a long time before running into each other. They had many many years of space exploration before encountering each other. They would've had to develop infantry weapons at some point. People that say "NO, WE ALREADY HAVE A SNIPER RIFLE, HERP-DERP!" Are ignoring the fact that at one point these were all separate empires. How do they think conflicts went down? Gallente Private: "Lieutenant, the Caldari seem to have Snipers deployed!" Gallente Lt.: "Damn... it's like they know we only have short range weapons! That's cunning of them! Well, let's rush them and hope they run out of ammo." Amarr Miles: "Sesquiplicarius, the heathens seem to have a few tanks deployed!" Amarr Sesquiplicarius: "Damn... if only we'd already encountered the Gallente/Caldari civilizations so we'd have AV." Amarr Miles: "Who?" Amarr Sesquiplicarius: "Nothing, I exist in a fictional world where we didn't bother creating AV technologies for centuries after having space travel. Instead we bummed tech off people we were technically not on good terms with for the majority of the time since we met." Amarr Miles: "That's ridiculous...?" Amarr Sesquiplicarius: "That's fullretard Dust 514 posters." Man, i couldn't have said it better myself Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 802	Posted - 2014.02.23 19:38:00 - [67] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: nope... shotgun is a special type of weapon. each race has their own. gal = shotgun mini = MD amarr = LR caldari = sniper rifles other racial versions not necessary Sorry, but this is simply wrong Mass driver is the minmitar launcher weapon Laser rifle is the amarr precision weapon Sniper rifle is the caldari precision weapon Shotgun is the gallente shotgun (like the AR is the gallente AR) I don't want to sound mean, but CCP has already put up info about wanting an Amarr launcher weapon to go with the cal swarm launcher, the min MD, and the gal PLC. The precision rifle is going to be the minmitar precision weapon, and I'm not completely sure, but i thought i saw shotguns in a concept art from a while ago with pictures of racial launchers, knives, SMGS, pistols, and snipers Neither of these posts are necessarily wrong, but they're not really correct either. These are labels that you, as players, have attached to these weapons. If you can find a source for CCP saying this, go ahead and link it, but neither of you are right. I explicitly remember a post that said something about unreleased weapons being an amarr launcher and minmitar precision rifleGÇª.sorry idk where it is, but you'll have to trust me Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 805	Posted - 2014.02.23 19:41:00 - [68] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: nope... shotgun is a special type of weapon. each race has their own. gal = shotgun mini = MD amarr = LR caldari = sniper rifles other racial versions not necessary Sorry, but this is simply wrong Mass driver is the minmitar launcher weapon Laser rifle is the amarr precision weapon Sniper rifle is the caldari precision weapon Shotgun is the gallente shotgun (like the AR is the gallente AR) I don't want to sound mean, but CCP has already put up info about wanting an Amarr launcher weapon to go with the cal swarm launcher, the min MD, and the gal PLC. The precision rifle is going to be the minmitar precision weapon, and I'm not completely sure, but i thought i saw shotguns in a concept art from a while ago with pictures of racial launchers, knives, SMGS, pistols, and snipers MD can be used as a shotgun so...... GÇªGÇª..not really, compared to the gallente shotgun. Look, if you have ever ran a CQC oriented scout, the blast radius of even the breach mass driver will still occasionally hurt you, it doesn't do as much damage, and just isn't a shotgun. The same argument could be made for th sniper rifle. "I saw someone who shot me while standing up from 15 meters away! The sniper rifle is a shotgun!" This doesn't justify the lack of a CQC specialist weapon for each race at all Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 805	Posted - 2014.02.23 19:43:00 - [69] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: my ideas are M- automatic shotgun, kinda like the this i highly encourage all to watch the video C-Would be a slug shotgun, like a futuristic remington, with very high damage, but one round in the magazine and a very low reticle, so more designed for eliminating enemies at mid range rather than super CQC, following their fighting style A-Im having trouble with, i was think something that fires multiple scrambler rifle shots, the more it is charged the more it fires, but the shots are very close ranged compared to the rifle Wrt to your original question i do want to see fully filled out racial lineups for all weapons classes. Sooner rather than later. But it's pointless if those racial versions of a weapons class do not have significantly different characteristics and feel. I like your list above for that reason. The idea of the Minmatars with something like the AA-12 with the mini-frag grenades is in perfect harmony with our racial modus operandi. A short-range autoFlaylok. A multi-shot (3-5 flay locks), 7 meter max range, high speed, fully auto, flay lock shotgun. YES Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1666	Posted - 2014.02.23 19:44:00 - [70] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: No. Each race's weapons should pertain to their range. The idea of gallente sniper rifles or caldari shotguns is ridiculous. Completely disagree. As if the Gallente have no need for snipers on the battlefield. It's just a question of adapting plasma tech to the job. Surely it would have shorter range than the Caldari rail solution, but it would be doable. Solitonic propagation of the plasma charge through atmosphere would be the natural approach to building a Gallente sniper weapon, starting with research like this. I wonder what that does when it hits you in the head. I support SP rollover.

Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 811	Posted - 2014.02.23 19:53:00 - [71] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: No. Each race's weapons should pertain to their range. The idea of gallente sniper rifles or caldari shotguns is ridiculous. Completely disagree. As if the Gallente have no need for snipers on the battlefield. It's just a question of adapting plasma tech to the job. Surely it would have shorter range than the Caldari rail solution, but it would be doable. Solitonic propagation of the plasma charge through atmosphere would be the natural approach to building a Gallente sniper weapon, starting with research like this. I wonder what that does when it hits you in the head. Of course the gallente would have a precision weapon just like the Amarr or caldari, it would just reflect their fighting style more than the 600 meter ranged mega precision weapon of the caldari, or the laser beam from afar of the amarr Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3510	Posted - 2014.02.23 20:14:00 - [72] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: No. Each race's weapons should pertain to their range. The idea of gallente sniper rifles or caldari shotguns is ridiculous. Completely disagree. As if the Gallente have no need for snipers on the battlefield. It's just a question of adapting plasma tech to the job. Surely it would have shorter range than the Caldari rail solution, but it would be doable. Solitonic propagation of the plasma charge through atmosphere would be the natural approach to building a Gallente sniper weapon, starting with research like this. I wonder what that does when it hits you in the head. To put it another way: The Minmatar use projectile weapons, right? People on earth now use projectile weapons. Do we have long range rifles? Do we have short range weapons? Do we have pistols? We're totally OP with our mostly single-tech weapons that function at both short and long-range... There's no reason a weapon that accelerates projectiles off rails wouldn't work at short range. Have you heard of shotguns? They exist in real life. They use the same tech that puts sniper rounds in people's skulls. Using many smaller projectiles has an impact on dispersion, deceleration, force, etc. The tech itself still works fine. With something like a laser, the concept of something like a prism/splitter isn't outside the scope of reality... those things already exist. That's not the only way you could play the short-range game with lasers either. You know what the best reason for the Gallente having a sniper rifle is (aside from the fact that EVERY armed force in the world tends to bother with them already)? They had enemies with them. If you don't develop counters to your enemies' tactics, then you're basically conceding defeat. Given the current scope of Gallente Tech, I wouldn't expect them to be the "best" at sniping tech range-wise, but the defining characteristic there is range. So, they'd make some rifle that had a crazy-long charge function with range out to 400m, but was single-shot.... or whatever really. Maybe it's not the best sniping rifle in the game, but they'd make it anyway so they'd have a weapon to attack their enemies with. That's what parity is about. It's not that one race is the best at everything. Races have tendencies, tech preferences, and so on. The Gallente tech may be better suited to close range, fast, high damage combat, but you better bet they also made longer range tech as well. It may just not be as "effective" as some of the other tech at range, or have drawbacks relative to other races.. or just a different attack profile or style. Dren and Templar equipment stats, wrong since release.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 837	Posted - 2014.02.23 21:47:00 - [73] - Quote Zeylon Rho wrote: Vrain Matari wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: No. Each race's weapons should pertain to their range. The idea of gallente sniper rifles or caldari shotguns is ridiculous. Completely disagree. As if the Gallente have no need for snipers on the battlefield. It's just a question of adapting plasma tech to the job. Surely it would have shorter range than the Caldari rail solution, but it would be doable. Solitonic propagation of the plasma charge through atmosphere would be the natural approach to building a Gallente sniper weapon, starting with research like this. I wonder what that does when it hits you in the head. To put it another way: The Minmatar use projectile weapons, right? People on earth now use projectile weapons. Do we have long range rifles? Do we have short range weapons? Do we have pistols? We're totally OP with our mostly single-tech weapons that function at both short and long-range... There's no reason a weapon that accelerates projectiles off rails wouldn't work at short range. Have you heard of shotguns? They exist in real life. They use the same tech that puts sniper rounds in people's skulls. Using many smaller projectiles has an impact on dispersion, deceleration, force, etc. The tech itself still works fine. With something like a laser, the concept of something like a prism/splitter isn't outside the scope of reality... those things already exist. That's not the only way you could play the short-range game with lasers either. You know what the best reason for the Gallente having a sniper rifle is (aside from the fact that EVERY armed force in the world tends to bother with them already)? They had enemies with them. If you don't develop counters to your enemies' tactics, then you're basically conceding defeat. Given the current scope of Gallente Tech, I wouldn't expect them to be the "best" at sniping tech range-wise, but the defining characteristic there is range. So, they'd make some rifle that had a crazy-long charge function with range out to 400m, but was single-shot.... or whatever really. Maybe it's not the best sniping rifle in the game, but they'd make it anyway so they'd have a weapon to attack their enemies with. That's what parity is about. It's not that one race is the best at everything. Races have tendencies, tech preferences, and so on. The Gallente tech may be better suited to close range, fast, high damage combat, but you better bet they also made longer range tech as well. It may just not be as "effective" as some of the other tech at range, or have drawbacks relative to other races.. or just a different attack profile or style. Exactly. Thats why every race needs a shotgun/CQC equivalent, we already have rifles, launchers are almost done, with the exception of the amarr launcher, and precision long range weapons are being created by CCP as we speak Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1304	Posted - 2014.02.23 22:12:00 - [74] - Quote No, makes no sense to have the races do what they do in the first place. Why can't a caldari just spec the Gal made shotgun? It's just a corporation based thing. CreoDron makes shotguns. They do so because Gal love CQ. Others can buy from the company that makes the shotguns. Otherwise, Caldari focus on long range weaponry. I laugh at the notion of racial purity such as only using Amarr tech or something. If so then don't use a shotgun or anything not in line with Amarr philosophy. They wouldn't do their own shotgun from their own company. They'd just grab the weapon from the company that already makes it because it is something they don't normally use. What happened to being a merc? If I was a RL merc I wouldn't demand to have an American version of an AK-47 just because I'm American. I'd go get the real thing which is Russian made. If a mideast terrorist wants a shotgun, he's not going to demand a mideast company make one. He's going to grab a Smith and Wesson. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 840	Posted - 2014.02.23 22:17:00 - [75] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: No, makes no sense to have the races do what they do in the first place. Why can't a caldari just spec the Gal made shotgun? It's just a corporation based thing. CreoDron makes shotguns. They do so because Gal love CQ. Others can buy from the company that makes the shotguns. Otherwise, Caldari focus on long range weaponry. I laugh at the notion of racial purity such as only using Amarr tech or something. If so then don't use a shotgun or anything not in line with Amarr philosophy. They wouldn't do their own shotgun from their own company. They'd just grab the weapon from the company that already makes it because it is something they don't normally use. What happened to being a merc? If I was a RL merc I wouldn't demand to have an American version of an AK-47 just because I'm American. I'd go get the real thing which is Russian made. If a mideast terrorist wants a shotgun, he's not going to demand a mideast company make one. He's going to grab a Smith and Wesson. Ok fine. Lets delete all rifles except the assault version, all launchers except the mass driver, all long range weapons except the sniper rifle, and whatever other silly things i can say. Read through some of the comments, they may help you understand why full racial parity is a good thing. Also, once full racial parity is achieved, we can get bonuses to racial weapons if they are used on a racial drop suit, like in EVE Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
ALPHA DECRIPTER Dragon-Empire 758	Posted - 2014.02.23 22:18:00 - [76] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: The title says it all. Discuss. Original thread here Seems like it's going to happen at some point but as of now it's not really necessary. Scout Tactician Dance puppets, DANCE!
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1316	Posted - 2014.02.23 22:24:00 - [77] - Quote Could you imagine the Gallente Heavy Gun? Would be like a Auto Shotgun blaster! drools The Amarr? A Heavy Pulse Laser? we got the boring versions of all the guns first
MrShooter01 Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 526	Posted - 2014.02.23 22:50:00 - [78] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: No, makes no sense to have the races do what they do in the first place. Why can't a caldari just spec the Gal made shotgun? It's just a corporation based thing. CreoDron makes shotguns. They do so because Gal love CQ. Others can buy from the company that makes the shotguns. Otherwise, Caldari focus on long range weaponry. I laugh at the notion of racial purity such as only using Amarr tech or something. If so then don't use a shotgun or anything not in line with Amarr philosophy. They wouldn't do their own shotgun from their own company. They'd just grab the weapon from the company that already makes it because it is something they don't normally use. What happened to being a merc? If I was a RL merc I wouldn't demand to have an American version of an AK-47 just because I'm American. I'd go get the real thing which is Russian made. If a mideast terrorist wants a shotgun, he's not going to demand a mideast company make one. He's going to grab a Smith and Wesson. Wow okay "American version of an AK-47" You're right that would just be silly Yes, we're all mercenaries. We get that. You get that. Congratulations. We can choose the kind of weapon we use. For instance, if I want a versatile medium range infantry killing machine, I can pick up a weapon like the Gallente AR, the Caldari RR, the Minmatar CR, and the Amarr SR. They are all basically a form of assault rifle, but they all have significantly different characteristics. Look at all the choices I have! Soon I will have more choices of pistol, and another choice of SMG. They have the same sort of role, but do it differently. If I was a real life mercenary, I would have a very, very big list of assault rifles to choose from, all of them made by different nations and companies, all of them with their own unique characteristics that may make them more desirable in certain situations. And shotguns, too! And oh wow LOOK AT THIS CRAZY ASS PILE OF SNIPER RIFLES. It's almost as if a large number of nations and corporations looked at these archetypal weapons and said "yeah, we need something like that." But why waste all that time and money making their own versions of these weapons? Why didn't the US government phone up the Soviet Union during the cold war and say "hey, we really think your AK-74 assault rifle is the bomb, can you sell them to us in bulk so our soldiers can kill you with them?" You see, the point we're trying to make is, just like in the real world, all of these empires should have their own versions of these weapons with their own characteristics because they're supposed to be believable nations with thousands of years of history. We get more choices of shotguns and sniper rifles with their own characteristics that may have an advantage over their competition in certain situations. Is that a bad thing? I shouldn't really need to explain why the caldari going "hey creodron, I know our nations are at war and everything but could you maybe sell us a few million shotguns because our troops have no comparable close range/indoor cqc weapon" is stupid
Xander Mercy Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 229	Posted - 2014.02.23 22:59:00 - [79] - Quote i think each race should have their own rifle shotgun smg pistol launcher sniper heavy weapon av heavy weapon and then a race specialty weapons like the laser rifle and mass driver
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 850	Posted - 2014.02.23 23:02:00 - [80] - Quote MrShooter01 wrote: Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: No, makes no sense to have the races do what they do in the first place. Why can't a caldari just spec the Gal made shotgun? It's just a corporation based thing. CreoDron makes shotguns. They do so because Gal love CQ. Others can buy from the company that makes the shotguns. Otherwise, Caldari focus on long range weaponry. I laugh at the notion of racial purity such as only using Amarr tech or something. If so then don't use a shotgun or anything not in line with Amarr philosophy. They wouldn't do their own shotgun from their own company. They'd just grab the weapon from the company that already makes it because it is something they don't normally use. What happened to being a merc? If I was a RL merc I wouldn't demand to have an American version of an AK-47 just because I'm American. I'd go get the real thing which is Russian made. If a mideast terrorist wants a shotgun, he's not going to demand a mideast company make one. He's going to grab a Smith and Wesson. Wow okay "American version of an AK-47" You're right that would just be silly Yes, we're all mercenaries. We get that. You get that. Congratulations. We can choose the kind of weapon we use. For instance, if I want a versatile medium range infantry killing machine, I can pick up a weapon like the Gallente AR, the Caldari RR, the Minmatar CR, and the Amarr SR. They are all basically a form of assault rifle, but they all have significantly different characteristics. Look at all the choices I have! Soon I will have more choices of pistol, and another choice of SMG. They have the same sort of role, but do it differently. If I was a real life mercenary, I would have a very, very big list of assault rifles to choose from, all of them made by different nations and companies, all of them with their own unique characteristics that may make them more desirable in certain situations. And shotguns, too! And oh wow LOOK AT THIS CRAZY ASS PILE OF SNIPER RIFLES. It's almost as if a large number of nations and corporations looked at these archetypal weapons and said "yeah, we need something like that." But why waste all that time and money making their own versions of these weapons? Why didn't the US government phone up the Soviet Union during the cold war and say "hey, we really think your AK-74 assault rifle is the bomb, can you sell them to us in bulk so our soldiers can kill you with them?" You see, the point we're trying to make is, just like in the real world, all of these empires should have their own versions of these weapons with their own characteristics because they're supposed to be believable nations with thousands of years of history. We get more choices of shotguns and sniper rifles with their own characteristics that may have an advantage over their competition in certain situations. Is that a bad thing? I shouldn't really need to explain why the caldari going "hey creodron, I know our nations are at war and everything but could you maybe sell us a few million shotguns because our troops have no comparable close range/indoor cqc weapon" is stupid thank you Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!

Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 854	Posted - 2014.02.23 23:03:00 - [81] - Quote Xander Mercy wrote: i think each race should have their own rifle shotgun smg pistol launcher sniper heavy weapon av heavy weapon and then a race specialty weapons like the laser rifle and mass driver the mass driver is the min launcher weapon and laser rifle is the amarr precision (sniper) weapon Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1667	Posted - 2014.02.23 23:11:00 - [82] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: No, makes no sense to have the races do what they do in the first place. Why can't a caldari just spec the Gal made shotgun? It's just a corporation based thing. CreoDron makes shotguns. They do so because Gal love CQ. Others can buy from the company that makes the shotguns. Otherwise, Caldari focus on long range weaponry. I laugh at the notion of racial purity such as only using Amarr tech or something. If so then don't use a shotgun or anything not in line with Amarr philosophy. They wouldn't do their own shotgun from their own company. They'd just grab the weapon from the company that already makes it because it is something they don't normally use. What happened to being a merc? If I was a RL merc I wouldn't demand to have an American version of an AK-47 just because I'm American. I'd go get the real thing which is Russian made. If a mideast terrorist wants a shotgun, he's not going to demand a mideast company make one. He's going to grab a Smith and Wesson. I agree with you on what the merc ideology would be. I believe those of us who are trying/sticking to racially pure gear are only doing so because we have the luxury to do so, and it can be an interesting challenge(running minmatar suits lol). In the long run we'll be able to run everything. But my main motivation for wanting to see the racial lineups filled out for the basic weapons groups is the mix & match potential when it comes to building suits. We you account for different damage types, optimals, falloffs, magazine capacities, bonuses, etc. there's a lot of potential to build a suit around a role. I support SP rollover.
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 113	Posted - 2014.02.23 23:14:00 - [83] - Quote The Caldari CQC primary would be the scariest thing in the world. Unleash the Fogwoggler
Corbina Ninja Maphia Clan Corporation 640	Posted - 2014.02.23 23:29:00 - [84] - Quote my idea of racial parity SHOTGUNS GA Plasma Shotgun MN Sawed-off double barrel Shotgun 2 round clip. high alpha CA Full-Auto Shotgun low rof low dps high range (for a shotgun) like this one rail tecnology with charge up time AM Charge Shotgun like charge sniper rifle or scrambler rifle SNIPER RIFLE GA Tactical Sniper Rifle low range high dps high rof MN Precision Rifle high alpha bolt action sniper rifle CA Sniper Rifle AM Charge Sniper Rifle LAAAZOOOR LAUNCHER GA Plasma Cannon MN Mass Driver CA Swarm Launcher AM ?!?! > *Test Signature Please Ignore*
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 270	Posted - 2014.02.23 23:41:00 - [85] - Quote Yes full racial parity each race needs a shotgun and 3 variants to that shotgun to imitate the other 3 races shotguns. Just like the ar with the burst rifle, breach rifle and tactica rifle. This needs to be done with every weapon. Then give suits a bonus to their racial weapons so a gallant suit can't use a combat rifle as effectively as a min suit
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 864	Posted - 2014.02.24 00:12:00 - [86] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: Yes full racial parity each race needs a shotgun and 3 variants to that shotgun to imitate the other 3 races shotguns. Just like the ar with the burst rifle, breach rifle and tactica rifle. This needs to be done with every weapon. Then give suits a bonus to their racial weapons so a gallant suit can't use a combat rifle as effectively as a min suit YES thats what I'm going for Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 311	Posted - 2014.02.24 01:47:00 - [87] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: id also like to see, once ALL racial variants of the launcher, sniper, shogun, knives, and SMG are released is a 10% bonus to the damage of racial guns, if used on the same racial suit. It would really help balance and the synergy that CCP is trying to create I've said it before and I will say it again racial paritydoes not mean four shotguns, four snipers, four mass drivers etc. racial parity means four cqb weapons, four main line rifles, four 'long range' (relative to racial profiles) weapons, four specialist weapons, four launchers (which may not necessarily be av), four pistols, four melee weapons, etc. Racial parity is 'we have an answer for x situation' not 'we have gold played laser 'shotguns''. It also doesn't mean 'laser everything' like the notably stupid laser launcher someone tried to tell me about - every race has a ton of diversity to it, like the amarr have a subgroup called the khanid, who are really big on missile technology that they develop and share ideas about with the caldari, I could easily see the amarr cqb weapon being a khanid kingdom anti-infantry rocket launcher. I've also read about similarly daft 'rail shotguns' etc.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 875	Posted - 2014.02.24 01:48:00 - [88] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: id also like to see, once ALL racial variants of the launcher, sniper, shogun, knives, and SMG are released is a 10% bonus to the damage of racial guns, if used on the same racial suit. It would really help balance and the synergy that CCP is trying to create I've said it before and I will say it again racial paritydoes not mean four shotguns, four snipers, four mass drivers etc. racial parity means four cqb weapons, four main line rifles, four 'long range' (relative to racial profiles) weapons, four specialist weapons, four launchers (which may not necessarily be av), four pistols, four melee weapons, etc. Racial parity is 'we have an answer for x situation' not 'we have gold played laser 'shotguns''. It also doesn't mean 'laser everything' like the notably stupid laser launcher someone tried to tell me about - every race has a ton of diversity to it, like the amarr have a subgroup called the khanid, who are really big on missile technology that they develop and share ideas about with the caldari, I could easily see the amarr cqb weapon being a khanid kingdom anti-infantry rocket launcher. I've also read about similarly daft 'rail shotguns' etc. shotgun in this case doesn't mean a literal shotgun; it refers to any CQC weapon that functions similarly to the shotgun Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Yeeeuuuupppp KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 113	Posted - 2014.02.24 02:23:00 - [89] - Quote Soon(tm) My Minnie is friendly.. don't worry, I don't bite. I slash. Novice incubus pilot. Feel the wrath of my troll.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 882	Posted - 2014.02.24 02:25:00 - [90] - Quote Yeeeuuuupppp wrote: Soon(tm) sooner rather than later please (Gäó)? Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!



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