This would likely also require the removal of automatic clone sales to ensure that profits from owing districts would have to come from a player market for selling clones and from winning PC matches.

What would the purpose of PC be then? No one would bother buying clones if you could only make money from your district by selling clones to other people who, again, would never buy any because it makes no sense to.

Zatara I like that Idea it would go well with a player market as It would allow corps to profit from production of Officer weapons to sell on an open market or to distribute to members for the Purpose of PC use.

I've been a proponent of the introduction of material rewards that drop on a % base on a perpetual basis.

Isk should be generated through battle.

I personally favor introduction of officer drops along with normal salvage that is dropped for holding districts, ex:

Say a gallente district produces:

(insert w/e #) of Duvolle Assault Rifles 100x drops daily on a (insert % based drop rate) every day.

(insert #) of other Gallente based module's, suits, or weapons 100x drops daily on a (insert individual % based drop rate relative to the rarity and isk value of the item) every day.

(insert #) of Balac's Gar Assault Rifles 100x drops daily on a (5% based drop rate) every day.

Ideally the drops would be of a particular race based on the type of infrastructure.

Each infrastructure would have individual drops different from others.

Officer gear for each module, suit, and weapon would need to be released in order to achieve this.

You could then add on the addendum that multiple districts of the same type on the same planet would give bonuses to the drop rate or quantity of the items produced on the district. Not to mention a general bonus for holding every district on a planet (bonuses would be scaled so that holding larger planets yields high increases).

Bonuses to holding the entirety of a planet could be corp or IMO would be alliance based.


Alternatively instead of drop rates based on chance you could manufacture items that would be designated by the CEO or those with relevant roles to be produced:

Standard gear could be produced rather quickly with a larger quantity

Officer gear would take quite a bit of time, risk and reward. Say I order 100x balacs but I have to hold the district for 10 days and if I lost it during production the order is negated.

I based this idea off of my experience playing the MMO Ragnarok Online. The endgame of RO was called the War of Emperium and anyone familiar with it will recognize the influences.

Because LP are only given for accomplishing faction goals I doubt LP would be appropriate.

I mean, the gallente aren't winning any wars because you decided you wanted to manufacture their ****.

But yeah until Officer weaps, modules, and other **** is introduced it'd have to be reworked. The real incentive is officer gear in my model though.

Only proto gear would not be any more enticing to play for than PC currently.

A set standard amount of loot drop, would be a horrible idea. People would just farm districts like they are now. Loot should be like eve. If you kill it, it randomly drops pieces of what they had fitted. That is the ONLY realistic way for loot. Also, I agree corps should be able to sell clones on the market, but their should also be a NPC seller, for larger clone packs, and yes..it will be uber exspensive. 150-250-350 and 450...price to be determined. It will then open up lots to the game, the option to buy from real people..possibly your own enemy..or buy from NPC market. Interesting future for the game...and I'm obviously not talking about the silver medal game vs finland...there is no future in that game for team USA hahaha

I've been a proponent of the introduction of material rewards that drop on a % base on a perpetual basis.

Isk should be generated through battle.

I personally favor introduction of officer drops along with normal salvage that is dropped for holding districts, ex:

Say a gallente district produces:

(insert w/e #) of Duvolle Assault Rifles 100x drops daily on a (insert % based drop rate) every day.

(insert #) of other Gallente based module's, suits, or weapons 100x drops daily on a (insert individual % based drop rate relative to the rarity and isk value of the item) every day.

(insert #) of Balac's Gar Assault Rifles 100x drops daily on a (5% based drop rate) every day.

Ideally the drops would be of a particular race based on the type of infrastructure.

Each infrastructure would have individual drops different from others.

Officer gear for each module, suit, and weapon would need to be released in order to achieve this.

You could then add on the addendum that multiple districts of the same type on the same planet would give bonuses to the drop rate or quantity of the items produced on the district. Not to mention a general bonus for holding every district on a planet (bonuses would be scaled so that holding larger planets yields high increases).

Bonuses to holding the entirety of a planet could be corp or IMO would be alliance based.


Alternatively instead of drop rates based on chance you could manufacture items that would be designated by the CEO or those with relevant roles to be produced:

Standard gear could be produced rather quickly with a larger quantity

Officer gear would take quite a bit of time, risk and reward. Say I order 100x balacs but I have to hold the district for 10 days and if I lost it during production the order is negated.

I based this idea off of my experience playing the MMO Ragnarok Online. The endgame of RO was called the War of Emperium and anyone familiar with it will recognize the influences.

Many formidable ideas to get in the 'pipeline' so the 13 people still playing this game in january might actually see it.

we need an immediate 'fix' that directly addresses the current issues while everything is slowly gone over in prep of pc 2.0.

remove passive isk, increase payout, remove clone pack refund. Increase clone pack count and make payout based on gear value somehow.

Ive seen many cool ideas for the long term solution that will require replacing 2 hamsters with real people that have programming abilities

i just wish we would get some sort of statement addressing a 'fix' so we can all go back to trolling each other and keeping rampage'd mom bathed.

content in this game is minimal, i mean all of pc is 3 maps.. the game gets harder daily to get any enjoyment out of, and even with simple fixes to broken logic there are piles of other issues that remain unacknowledged

It would create a supply and demand for clones as well as allowing non district owning corps the ability to buy 400 + clones to launch an attack giving them a legitimate chance at flipping a district without risk of being cloned because they only have 120 to play with.

This would likely also require the removal of automatic clone sales to ensure that profits from owing districts would have to come from a player market for selling clones and from winning PC matches.

However the biggest problem with this idea is that 40% of Molden Heath is owned by 2 corps, maybe add some type of tax system like in EVE.

I don't support set amounts of drop loot.

In one of my scenario's there's a % chance drop, in the latter you determine what is made through a risk and reward system.

Farming districts in either scenario could be costly in my model because isk is only generated through battle or salvage sold.

So imagine if we employed the latter scenario and you wanted 100x balacs. So you put in the order and it says you must defend the district 15 days to get 100 balacs, you really think people want to spend so much isk just to guarantee no one can attack them? It's now a huge isk sink. Sure a corp like FWA or Duna could finance attacking themselves for that period but g/l if your members discovered it.

I hadnt elaborated on it here, but in other posts I've discussed some first impressions on how PVE could play a role into securing the % based drops I mentioned in the first scenario.

This is all based upon my experiences playing Ragnarok Online's PVP called WoE or War of Emperium.

The focus was collectively fighting as a clan or clans to take a castle and hold it through defense consecutively to increase the % drop of rare items that contributed to making "God Items" in addition to loot and money made through PVE that was collected by the Guild Leader and whoever they brought with them to the actual castle. loot dropped on a daily basis from wednesday to saturday and then saturday to wednesday. Both days were when the actual chaotic fighting would take place within a set 2 hour period.

I've been a proponent of the introduction of material rewards that drop on a % base on a perpetual basis.

Isk should be generated through battle.

I personally favor introduction of officer drops along with normal salvage that is dropped for holding districts, ex:

Say a gallente district produces:

(insert w/e #) of Duvolle Assault Rifles 100x drops daily on a (insert % based drop rate) every day.

(insert #) of other Gallente based module's, suits, or weapons 100x drops daily on a (insert individual % based drop rate relative to the rarity and isk value of the item) every day.

(insert #) of Balac's Gar Assault Rifles 100x drops daily on a (5% based drop rate) every day.

Ideally the drops would be of a particular race based on the type of infrastructure.

Each infrastructure would have individual drops different from others.

Officer gear for each module, suit, and weapon would need to be released in order to achieve this.

You could then add on the addendum that multiple districts of the same type on the same planet would give bonuses to the drop rate or quantity of the items produced on the district. Not to mention a general bonus for holding every district on a planet (bonuses would be scaled so that holding larger planets yields high increases).

Bonuses to holding the entirety of a planet could be corp or IMO would be alliance based.


Alternatively instead of drop rates based on chance you could manufacture items that would be designated by the CEO or those with relevant roles to be produced:

Standard gear could be produced rather quickly with a larger quantity

Officer gear would take quite a bit of time, risk and reward. Say I order 100x balacs but I have to hold the district for 10 days and if I lost it during production the order is negated.

I based this idea off of my experience playing the MMO Ragnarok Online. The endgame of RO was called the War of Emperium and anyone familiar with it will recognize the influences.

If you read the entire post thoroughly you see have noticed these points but I will respond to you objections in order.

1) Whats the purpose of PC now? hording ISK?

2) You would profit from winning battles and I mean larger profits then we get now

3) Corps who don't own Districts would buy clones because they would be able to buy 400 clones to launch an attack as opposed to 120 which more often then not leads to being cloned except for elite corps. Also lets say you want to attack a district but your districts are so far away that you will lose a lot of clones due to clone attrition you could buy clones from a corp that has a nearby district to minimize clone attrition.

Uh, yes? Are you just now realizing this?
That's fine, I'm not disagreeing with this point.
Corps without a district would never buy a district if the only purpose was to produce clones to sell to other people. I think you're assuming there would be some infinite demand for clones, which there wouldn't be if you couldn't sell them to an NPC for ISK. 245 districts--how many clones do you think people are going to be buying a day? You'd either devalue clones so much as to make them dirt cheap (which again, defeats the purpose of having a district in the first place) or you only have a very select few people selling clones, which defeats the purpose of having a district for 90% of the people who own them.

If the primary purpose of PC is to make ISK, which it is, and you take that away, why would anyone buy clones to take districts? There needs to be more to the original plan.

I honestly haven't read all the posts yet, so I maybe repeating, but what if a corp went to STB or Molon and said ' I'd like 300 clones to attack district _____. ' someone fairies the attacking team in (lulz) leaving only one guy from the 'host corp'. He could fight or FC if the price is right. You could make it slightly more expensive than a clone pack and send an email to the defending corp telling them wusup. I'm starting to really like this idea...

They wouldn't have to ferry anyone in, it would be like a clone pack attack just with clones bought from another corp with the ability to buy more than just 120 clones.