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Stiddlefaxq wrote:

Rinzler XVIII wrote:

Thor Odinson42 wrote:

Today has been the worst I can ever remember. This is beyond new player getting stomped, red line hiding.

Something has to be done to get people out of the redline and off the roofs.

It's terrible

Players don't like being stomped

I said months ago that all the protostomping would end up forcing new and intermediate players into sitting in the redline and not even bothering to fight .. why pad the enemies KD/R and lose ISK in a battle you can't win ?

5 months ago I said matchmaking needs to be fixed, vets and newbies need to be seperated, there needs to be PVE or gear restricted/sp restricted gamemodes ... a better tutorial

All I got was 'we can't seperate the player base' 'I went through it and so should everyone else' 'HTFU get good' ' Go snipe' ' Quit matches where you see a stacked squad of known protostompers' 'avoid them'

What we have now is a direct result of all those responses and the continued stomping of newbies in pubgames ...

Don't care, you made your bed now lie in it (FYI I don't mean you personally)

The guys in NF + an AE guy had a chat about this the other night. I am pretty sure we were all in agreement on this: New players need to generate skill points faster up until X skill points. New players need to be separated from bitter vets for longer.

The question we posed ourselves was this: What would you do if you were just starting playing this game now?
The general answer was along the lines of: Not play this game, not worth the effort.

"...and I'm the seventh out of seven sons, my pappy was a pistol, I'm a son of a gun. "

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Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2902	Posted - 2014.02.21 21:09:00 - [1] - Quote Today has been the worst I can ever remember. This is beyond new player getting stomped, red line hiding. Something has to be done to get people out of the redline and off the roofs. It's terrible ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
Stiddlefaxq Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 30	Posted - 2014.02.21 21:12:00 - [2] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Today has been the worst I can ever remember. This is beyond new player getting stomped, red line hiding. Something has to be done to get people out of the redline and off the roofs. It's terrible #ADAPTORDIE #HTFU Mini games to play: Meleeing people in the red line. Crushing people on roofs with drop ships Hacking useless installations in the red line
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2902	Posted - 2014.02.21 21:16:00 - [3] - Quote Stiddlefaxq wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Today has been the worst I can ever remember. This is beyond new player getting stomped, red line hiding. Something has to be done to get people out of the redline and off the roofs. It's terrible #ADAPTORDIE #HTFU Mini games to play: Meleeing people in the red line. Crushing people on roofs with drop ships Hacking useless installations in the red line So that's the recipe for success in Dust? How about increasing payouts so people don't feel the need to budget like a ******* accountant. ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1762	Posted - 2014.02.21 21:21:00 - [4] - Quote Redline and roof camping is terrible, but what do you expect when you profit more doing these things where you're at little risk instead of trying to actually win the match on the ground? Sure, you might lose the match, but the difference in payouts is negligible, and when you're at little risk you end up with a higher profit than if you had pushed for the win and thus died more. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers! R.I.P MAG.
Stiddlefaxq Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 31	Posted - 2014.02.21 21:23:00 - [5] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Stiddlefaxq wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Today has been the worst I can ever remember. This is beyond new player getting stomped, red line hiding. Something has to be done to get people out of the redline and off the roofs. It's terrible #ADAPTORDIE #HTFU Mini games to play: Meleeing people in the red line. Crushing people on roofs with drop ships Hacking useless installations in the red line So that's the recipe for success in Dust? How about increasing payouts so people don't feel the need to budget like a ******* accountant. I think the losing team in a pub should make a little bit more isk, but I don't think it will act as incentive for them to leave the red line. I think the problem is a little more fundamental than simply being a matter of players making rational return calculations.
Rinzler XVIII Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 37	Posted - 2014.02.21 21:33:00 - [6] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Today has been the worst I can ever remember. This is beyond new player getting stomped, red line hiding. Something has to be done to get people out of the redline and off the roofs. It's terrible Players don't like being stomped I said months ago that all the protostomping would end up forcing new and intermediate players into sitting in the redline and not even bothering to fight .. why pad the enemies KD/R and lose ISK in a battle you can't win ? 5 months ago I said matchmaking needs to be fixed, vets and newbies need to be seperated, there needs to be PVE or gear restricted/sp restricted gamemodes ... a better tutorial All I got was 'we can't seperate the player base' 'I went through it and so should everyone else' 'HTFU get good' ' Go snipe' ' Quit matches where you see a stacked squad of known protostompers' 'avoid them' What we have now is a direct result of all those responses and the continued stomping of newbies in pubgames ... Don't care, you made your bed now lie in it (FYI I don't mean you personally)
Stiddlefaxq Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 31	Posted - 2014.02.21 21:41:00 - [7] - Quote Rinzler XVIII wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Today has been the worst I can ever remember. This is beyond new player getting stomped, red line hiding. Something has to be done to get people out of the redline and off the roofs. It's terrible Players don't like being stomped I said months ago that all the protostomping would end up forcing new and intermediate players into sitting in the redline and not even bothering to fight .. why pad the enemies KD/R and lose ISK in a battle you can't win ? 5 months ago I said matchmaking needs to be fixed, vets and newbies need to be seperated, there needs to be PVE or gear restricted/sp restricted gamemodes ... a better tutorial All I got was 'we can't seperate the player base' 'I went through it and so should everyone else' 'HTFU get good' ' Go snipe' ' Quit matches where you see a stacked squad of known protostompers' 'avoid them' What we have now is a direct result of all those responses and the continued stomping of newbies in pubgames ... Don't care, you made your bed now lie in it (FYI I don't mean you personally) The guys in NF + an AE guy had a chat about this the other night. I am pretty sure we were all in agreement on this: New players need to generate skill points faster up until X skill points. New players need to be separated from bitter vets for longer. The question we posed ourselves was this: What would you do if you were just starting playing this game now? The general answer was along the lines of: Not play this game, not worth the effort.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 9831	Posted - 2014.02.21 21:43:00 - [8] - Quote Today persuaded me to use a rail rifle with triage hives on a Gal/Cal logi. ... ;_; I am tainted. ZATARA CARRIES US ALL Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution MAG Raven
Jebus McKing Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 311	Posted - 2014.02.21 22:11:00 - [9] - Quote I'm sorry that you did not have fun with us tower forgegunning earlier :( @JebusMcKing // TIERICIDE, just do it, CCP. ò_Ô
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 1008	Posted - 2014.02.21 22:13:00 - [10] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Redline and roof camping is terrible, but what do you expect when you profit more doing these things where you're at little risk instead of trying to actually win the match on the ground? Sure, you might lose the match, but the difference in payouts is negligible, and when you're at little risk you end up with a higher profit than if you had pushed for the win and thus died more. you must be this economist I keep hearing about Who wants some?

calvin b Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 1530	Posted - 2014.02.21 22:25:00 - [11] - Quote Record 6 OB's in one match with me and three others. I have been loving this heavy event. I capped first day and have been playing to add to my kill count. So I have to say most matches have been blood baths for me and has come down to clones. So I am glad the crap matches are few and far between. A heavy before 1.8
Blake Kingston Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 193	Posted - 2014.02.21 22:32:00 - [12] - Quote When I hear complaints about red lines it makes me think of a team who has pushed the other team behind the redline and now they swarm around killing anyone who pokes their head out of the red. I wonder how these folk want play to go?
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2908	Posted - 2014.02.21 22:33:00 - [13] - Quote Jebus McKing wrote: I'm sorry that you did not have fun with us tower forgegunning earlier :( Lol, it wasn't that. We were in a ton of really weak fights. ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
The Infected One Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 854	Posted - 2014.02.21 22:35:00 - [14] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Today persuaded me to use a rail rifle with triage hives on a Gal/Cal logi. ... ;_; I am tainted. Shame on you. I am here to ask you one question, and one question only: EXPLOSIONS? THAT SENTENCE HAD TOO MANY SYLLABLES! APOLOGIZE!
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2908	Posted - 2014.02.21 22:36:00 - [15] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Redline and roof camping is terrible, but what do you expect when you profit more doing these things where you're at little risk instead of trying to actually win the match on the ground? Sure, you might lose the match, but the difference in payouts is negligible, and when you're at little risk you end up with a higher profit than if you had pushed for the win and thus died more. Yeah all this poor new player stuff is getting old. Most of these matches could be navigated by monkeys with relative success. It's about incentives. Apparently fun isn't a big enough one. ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2908	Posted - 2014.02.21 22:38:00 - [16] - Quote calvin b wrote: Record 6 OB's in one match with me and three others. I have been loving this heavy event. I capped first day and have been playing to add to my kill count. So I have to say most matches have been blood baths for me and has come down to clones. So I am glad the crap matches are few and far between. Maybe I need to solo more. I don't know, this is getting boring. They should buff the null cannons so these snooze fests will be over quicker. ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
Stiddlefaxq Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 33	Posted - 2014.02.21 22:43:00 - [17] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: calvin b wrote: Record 6 OB's in one match with me and three others. I have been loving this heavy event. I capped first day and have been playing to add to my kill count. So I have to say most matches have been blood baths for me and has come down to clones. So I am glad the crap matches are few and far between. Maybe I need to solo more. I don't know, this is getting boring. They should buff the null cannons so these snooze fests will be over quicker. There should be a null cannon 20 meters into the enemy red line. It should only be able to be hacked if all the other null cannons are blue. It should deal MCC damage equal to all the other null cannons combined.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2908	Posted - 2014.02.21 22:45:00 - [18] - Quote Stiddlefaxq wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: calvin b wrote: Record 6 OB's in one match with me and three others. I have been loving this heavy event. I capped first day and have been playing to add to my kill count. So I have to say most matches have been blood baths for me and has come down to clones. So I am glad the crap matches are few and far between. Maybe I need to solo more. I don't know, this is getting boring. They should buff the null cannons so these snooze fests will be over quicker. There should be a null cannon 20 meters into the enemy red line. It should only be able to be hacked if all the other null cannons are blue. It should deal MCC damage equal to all the other null cannons combined. I like that idea ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 4104	Posted - 2014.02.21 22:46:00 - [19] - Quote Redline, I can see; But for rooftops- ooh, too bad the community decided that every weapon or vehicle that can get someone off of a roof is overpowered. I am your scan error.
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 985	Posted - 2014.02.21 22:48:00 - [20] - Quote Truth is when we started playing this game, the playing field was pretty even as we all started pretty close to the same time frame meaning there was not so much of an SP gap between most of us. Now you have new players coming into the game getting their shitter pushed in by guys with 35mil+ sp. Most of us did not go through that as the sp gap was not that substantial, so you can't argue that a lot of us went through it, we didn't. Yes once PC starts up again a lot of you will be battling each other again, but how do we fix the problems we have now? Well, you can't make the blues leave the red line that don't want to, but some do and try to fight. Something I have tried is "not" putting uplinks on top of roofs. You may not have the high point but the blues won't spawn there and never come down either. I know it's not perfect but it does help. I see a lot of locked squads with two or three people in them, if these squads were unlocked some of the smart ones would join in. I play solo from time to time and see a lot of it. With an open squad those that want to try will join a squad and who knows, they may even have a mic and a little talent, just sayin. If you see a couple randoms on NPC CORPS that tried and hung in there with you through the shitstorm, send them a gg with a squad invite, I'm just saying a little proactive from some of us vets will go a long way. A lot of the problem lies on CCP, but we can make an immediate difference right now with how we portray this game to the new players. CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~

Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2908	Posted - 2014.02.21 22:50:00 - [21] - Quote Stiddlefaxq wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Stiddlefaxq wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Today has been the worst I can ever remember. This is beyond new player getting stomped, red line hiding. Something has to be done to get people out of the redline and off the roofs. It's terrible #ADAPTORDIE #HTFU Mini games to play: Meleeing people in the red line. Crushing people on roofs with drop ships Hacking useless installations in the red line So that's the recipe for success in Dust? How about increasing payouts so people don't feel the need to budget like a ******* accountant. I think the losing team in a pub should make a little bit more isk, but I don't think it will act as incentive for them to leave the red line. I think the problem is a little more fundamental than simply being a matter of players making rational return calculations. I think there is a connection to FW and new players wanting access to LP gear to bypass the SP gap. Playing passive in pubs to afford to play FW. ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2908	Posted - 2014.02.21 22:55:00 - [22] - Quote CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: Truth is when we started playing this game, the playing field was pretty even as we all started pretty close to the same time frame meaning there was not so much of an SP gap between most of us. Now you have new players coming into the game getting their shitter pushed in by guys with 35mil+ sp. Most of us did not go through that as the sp gap was not that substantial, so you can't argue that a lot of us went through it, we didn't. Yes once PC starts up again a lot of you will be battling each other again, but how do we fix the problems we have now? Well, you can't make the blues leave the red line that don't want to, but some do and try to fight. Something I have tried is "not" putting uplinks on top of roofs. You may not have the high point but the blues won't spawn there and never come down either. I know it's not perfect but it does help. I see a lot of locked squads with two or three people in them, if these squads were unlocked some of the smart ones would join in. I play solo from time to time and see a lot of it. With an open squad those that want to try will join a squad and who knows, they may even have a mic and a little talent, just sayin. If you see a couple randoms on NPC CORPS that tried and hung in there with you through the shitstorm, send them a gg with a squad invite, I'm just saying a little proactive from some of us vets will go a long way. A lot of the problem lies on CCP, but we can make an immediate difference right now with how we portray this game to the new players. Well said and I agree with you. But FFS I want to do battle in an FPS. ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 3242	Posted - 2014.02.21 23:12:00 - [23] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Today persuaded me to use a rail rifle with triage hives on a Gal/Cal logi. ... ;_; I am tainted. Eeew Removes Arkena as contact Arkena added to Block List Bojo - Adding chili powder to your experience since early times
Supernus Gigas Star Giants 305	Posted - 2014.02.21 23:59:00 - [24] - Quote Stiddlefaxq wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Today has been the worst I can ever remember. This is beyond new player getting stomped, red line hiding. Something has to be done to get people out of the redline and off the roofs. It's terrible #ADAPTORDIE #HTFU Mini games to play: Meleeing people in the red line. Crushing people on roofs with drop ships Hacking useless installations in the red line Once the enemy somehow managed to hack the supply depot in our redline. It was a bit perplexing to say the least. *FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVIN' CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!*
Logi Stician The Vanguardians INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 261	Posted - 2014.02.22 00:06:00 - [25] - Quote Stiddlefaxq wrote: Rinzler XVIII wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Today has been the worst I can ever remember. This is beyond new player getting stomped, red line hiding. Something has to be done to get people out of the redline and off the roofs. It's terrible Players don't like being stomped I said months ago that all the protostomping would end up forcing new and intermediate players into sitting in the redline and not even bothering to fight .. why pad the enemies KD/R and lose ISK in a battle you can't win ? 5 months ago I said matchmaking needs to be fixed, vets and newbies need to be seperated, there needs to be PVE or gear restricted/sp restricted gamemodes ... a better tutorial All I got was 'we can't seperate the player base' 'I went through it and so should everyone else' 'HTFU get good' ' Go snipe' ' Quit matches where you see a stacked squad of known protostompers' 'avoid them' What we have now is a direct result of all those responses and the continued stomping of newbies in pubgames ... Don't care, you made your bed now lie in it (FYI I don't mean you personally) The guys in NF + an AE guy had a chat about this the other night. I am pretty sure we were all in agreement on this: New players need to generate skill points faster up until X skill points. New players need to be separated from bitter vets for longer. The question we posed ourselves was this: What would you do if you were just starting playing this game now? The general answer was along the lines of: Not play this game, not worth the effort. Or create a character, don't play for 6 months waiting for passive SP accrual to help ease the pain from academy to the shark tank. "...and I'm the seventh out of seven sons, my pappy was a pistol, I'm a son of a gun. "
Heimdallr69 Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1618	Posted - 2014.02.22 00:09:00 - [26] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Today has been the worst I can ever remember. This is beyond new player getting stomped, red line hiding. Something has to be done to get people out of the redline and off the roofs. It's terrible I've been redline sniping with a Thales, I suck at sniping soo. But the match making is so terrible I'll be solo and the other team will get 2 full squads and my team won't even get 1 squad. I won't waste my proto like that an I sure as hell won't run my basic suit so the other guys can brag afterwards.. I've been running basic suits in pubs unless other team is stacked then I won't waste my time. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Heimdallr69 Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1618	Posted - 2014.02.22 00:13:00 - [27] - Quote Stiddlefaxq wrote: Rinzler XVIII wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Today has been the worst I can ever remember. This is beyond new player getting stomped, red line hiding. Something has to be done to get people out of the redline and off the roofs. It's terrible Players don't like being stomped I said months ago that all the protostomping would end up forcing new and intermediate players into sitting in the redline and not even bothering to fight .. why pad the enemies KD/R and lose ISK in a battle you can't win ? 5 months ago I said matchmaking needs to be fixed, vets and newbies need to be seperated, there needs to be PVE or gear restricted/sp restricted gamemodes ... a better tutorial All I got was 'we can't seperate the player base' 'I went through it and so should everyone else' 'HTFU get good' ' Go snipe' ' Quit matches where you see a stacked squad of known protostompers' 'avoid them' What we have now is a direct result of all those responses and the continued stomping of newbies in pubgames ... Don't care, you made your bed now lie in it (FYI I don't mean you personally) The guys in NF + an AE guy had a chat about this the other night. I am pretty sure we were all in agreement on this: New players need to generate skill points faster up until X skill points. New players need to be separated from bitter vets for longer. The question we posed ourselves was this: What would you do if you were just starting playing this game now? The general answer was along the lines of: Not play this game, not worth the effort. Yeah we need full team deployment, new systems high risk/ better pay out and then low risk can't run higher than basic or something but you get less isk per match for it...honestly idk the sp differences are to much to separate half our player base.. But something needs to happen. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 267	Posted - 2014.02.22 00:16:00 - [28] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: Redline and roof camping is terrible, but what do you expect when you profit more doing these things where you're at little risk instead of trying to actually win the match on the ground? Sure, you might lose the match, but the difference in payouts is negligible, and when you're at little risk you end up with a higher profit than if you had pushed for the win and thus died more. Yeah all this poor new player stuff is getting old. Most of these matches could be navigated by monkeys with relative success. It's about incentives. Apparently fun isn't a big enough one. Yes, going 0/12 and being spawn camped is lots of fun. I don't know what these new guys are thinking. Look at the scoreboard sometime, and not just your squads. You will see that half of the players are just getting slaughtered or they give up and do nothing. It IS about incentives and there is little incentive to try against stompers. Because, that's why.
Mortedeamor Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1409	Posted - 2014.02.22 01:48:00 - [29] - Quote tbh i noticed this allot as well at first queing alone my teamates all seemed to either be afking or camping in the redline very few fights going on..was practically playing alone once i got ina squad of some friends i found that it was very boring guess i was on the other side of the looking glass by that point A laser rifle master for life not just for when it becomes popular Long Live the Empress Burn the Heretics
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 1009	Posted - 2014.02.22 01:52:00 - [30] - Quote Dying game. Red line is the only option for most new players. It won't take many weeks of that before they leave. Sh!t 3 games in a row would do it for me and I'm a vet with hundreds invested. Who wants some?



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