DUST Search - Weak fights

Canari Elphus wrote:

Honestly, the issue with newberries is not the spread for mlt/proto but the fact that they just dont know what they are doing. They dont know about how valuable coms/squads are, they dont know the maps, they dont understand the uses of equipment and they are so used to other FPS games that they just rush in to die horrible deaths. After enough of that, they think that camping roofs or the redline is the only way that they can survive.

I did a test and started a new character recently. I gave it no money and ran as a lone wolf in ambush the whole time. I ran mlt gear with R9 links and a basic weapon the whole time and still posted around a 1.8 KDR and averaged around 700 WP per match. This was while still dealing with proto squads and tanks galore. During the 10 days I did this, I made around 30mil ISK. I obviously didnt have better gear and I am definitely nowhere near the best gun in the game so it had to be the fact that I know the game that helped me as opposed to the other newberries.

The only way to combat this is to give them better tutorials and walk through's to begin with and longer time separated from vets so that they can get used to their gear and learn the maps. Also, ISK payout needs to be more dependent on WP than it currently is. It needs to follow the risk/reward structure of EVE.


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CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 985	Posted - 2014.02.21 22:48:00 - [1] - Quote Truth is when we started playing this game, the playing field was pretty even as we all started pretty close to the same time frame meaning there was not so much of an SP gap between most of us. Now you have new players coming into the game getting their shitter pushed in by guys with 35mil+ sp. Most of us did not go through that as the sp gap was not that substantial, so you can't argue that a lot of us went through it, we didn't. Yes once PC starts up again a lot of you will be battling each other again, but how do we fix the problems we have now? Well, you can't make the blues leave the red line that don't want to, but some do and try to fight. Something I have tried is "not" putting uplinks on top of roofs. You may not have the high point but the blues won't spawn there and never come down either. I know it's not perfect but it does help. I see a lot of locked squads with two or three people in them, if these squads were unlocked some of the smart ones would join in. I play solo from time to time and see a lot of it. With an open squad those that want to try will join a squad and who knows, they may even have a mic and a little talent, just sayin. If you see a couple randoms on NPC CORPS that tried and hung in there with you through the shitstorm, send them a gg with a squad invite, I'm just saying a little proactive from some of us vets will go a long way. A lot of the problem lies on CCP, but we can make an immediate difference right now with how we portray this game to the new players. CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 993	Posted - 2014.02.22 15:25:00 - [2] - Quote Canari Elphus wrote: Honestly, the issue with newberries is not the spread for mlt/proto but the fact that they just dont know what they are doing. They dont know about how valuable coms/squads are, they dont know the maps, they dont understand the uses of equipment and they are so used to other FPS games that they just rush in to die horrible deaths. After enough of that, they think that camping roofs or the redline is the only way that they can survive. I did a test and started a new character recently. I gave it no money and ran as a lone wolf in ambush the whole time. I ran mlt gear with R9 links and a basic weapon the whole time and still posted around a 1.8 KDR and averaged around 700 WP per match. This was while still dealing with proto squads and tanks galore. During the 10 days I did this, I made around 30mil ISK. I obviously didnt have better gear and I am definitely nowhere near the best gun in the game so it had to be the fact that I know the game that helped me as opposed to the other newberries. The only way to combat this is to give them better tutorials and walk through's to begin with and longer time separated from vets so that they can get used to their gear and learn the maps. Also, ISK payout needs to be more dependent on WP than it currently is. It needs to follow the risk/reward structure of EVE. Well said and yes to all the above. CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~