What speed tanked suit has 300 HP?? I think ur doing it wrong.

Minmatar scout at ADV has 300 hp

Sorry he said dmg mods and kin cats so I assumed he tossed an armor plate on a gal scout ><

You so silly. And TRANSPARENT.
I am going to translate this QQ to Scrubese, my native language,
"I am a SGer because I'm a scrub and can OHK new players all day. The new players are wise to my scrubby ways and have learned how to counter my scrubness. I can't figure out another cheesy way to win, so it must be their fault. And the rail rifle is OP!"

Now offering Scrubese translating to all threads.

You so silly. And TRANSPARENT.
I am going to translate this QQ to Scrubese, my native language,
"I am a SGer because I'm a scrub and can OHK new players all day. The new players are wise to my scrubby ways and have learned how to counter my scrubness. I can't figure out another cheesy way to win, so it must be their fault. And the rail rifle is OP!"

Now offering Scrubese translating to all threads.

Lose the DMG mods, & focus on profile dampening & presicion/range mods. Speed tanking is only useful, if the enemy doesn't know where you are, but you know where they are. Also never engage the enemy in open areas, lure them to you. You won't dodge bullets, but speed can be fun if you play smart & use the environment to your advantage.

The skill gap is so compressed, that itGÇÖs like a slot machine. You might as well just sit down at a slot machine and have a thing that pops up an says GÇ£I got a kill!GÇ¥ TheyGÇÖve taken individual skill out of the equation so much. So you see these guysGÇöI see it all the time, they come in to play Red Orchestra, and theyGÇÖre like GÇ£This gameGÇÖs just too hardcore. IGÇÖm awesome at Call of Duty, so thereGÇÖs something wrong with your game. Because IGÇÖm not successful at playing this game, so it must suck. IGÇÖm not the problem, itGÇÖs your game.GÇ¥ And sometimes as designers, it is our game. Sometimes we screw up, sometimes we design something thatGÇÖs not accesible enough, they canGÇÖt figure it out, we didnGÇÖt give them enough information to figure out where to go... but more often than not, itGÇÖs because Call of Duty compressed their skill gap so much that these guys never needed to get good at a shooter. They never needed to get good at their twitch skills.

i like to use my shotgun guy, maybe I just suck with him but with aim assist
and rail rifles I don't stand a chance, my guy dies instantly

all i want to do is run around with kin cats and damage mods but because my suit has 300hp it drops instantly.
it doesn't matter how fast you're running when somebody doesn't have to aim to kill you.

I also have a militia suit with under 200hp, why does this exist? seriously CCP somebody is going to use this suit,
go up against what I was going up against and because they don't understand the game as a new player,
they'll quit as they'll think that's all that is available to them.

It's a pretty good feeling when you kill adv and even proto suits with the militia guy but normally you die before
you can get anywhere. How can you flank and be stealthy in a fast suit if you're being scanned?

you have to be right up in their face but they will get you in open ground or kill you before you come round the corner.

CCP if you want to make a game with variety then make all classes and loadouts usable! Right now if you don't
have a god damned rail or combat rifle there's no point in playing!

What's the point of having all this stuff in the game if you can only use 10% of it?
The TTK is still a huge issue, I'm seeing a lot of people putting up 50+ kills with the rail rifle because MLT
fits don't stand a CHANCE, regardless of how good that person is in an FPS game they will get destroyed simply because
the gun shooting at them is more effective at range and does a ridiculous amount of damage.

The rail rifle may get nerfed but it's not going to change the fact that you don't have to aim for your shots to do damage, either
the rounds are too big or it's the overall hit detection I don't know but the rail rifle is the easiest weapon in the game to use
and it makes using my favourite suits POINTLESS.

Hell I ran out of dropsuits yesterday because my militia suit dies in half a second to the rail rifle, so I should use a better
suit right? THEN WHY ARE MILITIA SUITS IN THE GAME?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ...... (30 min latter )....o god my sides ...anyways yes speed tanking is dead because it was not meant to be alive in the 1st place HD was off so players took to it thinking it was apart of the game when its not.
if your a scout then you do what a scout do,s hide and keep out of view of the other team as you lay down up links and take out 1 or 2 small man groups and hack points and scan and be a look out for your team.

your not a battle tank your not a superman drop suit your a SCOUT !!! AKA ((a soldier or other person sent out ahead of a main force so as to gather information about the enemy's position, strength, or movements.))

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ...... (30 min latter )....o god my sides ...anyways yes speed tanking is dead because it was not meant to be alive in the 1st place HD was off so players took to it thinking it was apart of the game when its not.
if your a scout then you do what a scout do,s hide and keep out of view of the other team as you lay down up links and take out 1 or 2 small man groups and hack points and scan and be a look out for your team.

your not a battle tank your not a superman drop suit your a SCOUT !!! AKA ((a soldier or other person sent out ahead of a main force so as to gather information about the enemy's position, strength, or movements.))

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ...... (30 min latter )....o god my sides ...anyways yes speed tanking is dead because it was not meant to be alive in the 1st place HD was off so players took to it thinking it was apart of the game when its not.
if your a scout then you do what a scout do,s hide and keep out of view of the other team as you lay down up links and take out 1 or 2 small man groups and hack points and scan and be a look out for your team.

your not a battle tank your not a superman drop suit your a SCOUT !!! AKA ((a soldier or other person sent out ahead of a main force so as to gather information about the enemy's position, strength, or movements.))

Then what is the point of Minmatar Assault suits?

Your argument is now invalid.

[HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ...... (30 min latter )....o god my sides ...anyways yes speed tanking is dead because it was not meant to be alive in the 1st place HD was off so players took to it thinking it was apart of the game when its not.
if your a scout then you do what a scout do,s hide and keep out of view of the other team as you lay down up links and take out 1 or 2 small man groups and hack points and scan and be a look out for your team.

your not a battle tank your not a superman drop suit your a SCOUT !!! AKA ((a soldier or other person sent out ahead of a main force so as to gather information about the enemy's position, strength, or movements.))

Ummm... Speedtaking is a thing in New Eden. It's definitely supposed to be a thing in Dust. CCP just borked it like everything else due to the ridiculously low TTK.

In a MMO yes not in a FPS MMO !
if you think running around fast should = no one hits you your wrong !
you have speed to get some where fast not to block hits !

lol if you toss a armor plate on a gal scout you are indeed doing it wrong haha

Actually that is what almost all the AE scouts are doing right now... And its not just 1 plate, it is 3 enhanced/complex.
Speed tanking is DEAD.

You so silly. And TRANSPARENT.
I am going to translate this QQ to Scrubese, my native language,
"I am a SGer because I'm a scrub and can OHK new players all day. The new players are wise to my scrubby ways and have learned how to counter my scrubness. I can't figure out another cheesy way to win, so it must be their fault. And the rail rifle is OP!"

Now offering Scrubese translating to all threads.

You so silly. And TRANSPARENT.
I am going to translate this QQ to Scrubese, my native language,
"I am a SGer because I'm a scrub and can OHK new players all day. The new players are wise to my scrubby ways and have learned how to counter my scrubness. I can't figure out another cheesy way to win, so it must be their fault. And the rail rifle is OP!"

Now offering Scrubese translating to all threads.

Then u run around in scout suit with 300hp and see how "easy" it is when u get killed in 1 second by a RR

Actually that is what almost all the AE scouts are doing right now... And its not just 1 plate, it is 3 enhanced/complex.
Speed tanking is DEAD.

Speed tanking was silly. Shotgunners shouldn't be able to run out into the open and have 5 people be unable to hit them. I saw Annie Oakley do this a ton. If a game makes it so hard to shoot so done that an entire squad fails to do so while they run I. The open, that's not a fun game. I say this as someone who started scout, switches to min assault during the scout dark ages, and am back to scout. I appreciate speed. But for flanking and moving to cover. Not for dancing while nobody could hit me.

This, this right here. Speed tanking should not be a thing for this exact reason, I remember those days and it was absolutely infuriating.

Speed, like profile dampening, should not replace the need for a real tank but should compliment it instead. Tank = shield and/or armor. Tanks come in two kinds, regenerative tanking (Minmatar/Gallente) or buffer tanking (Caldari/Amarr). Caldari need better base shield on their suits and Minmatar need the best shield regen rates.

Yes, it does exist to a degree in EVE. However it is more of a damage mitigator than a primary tank, and should it be the primary tank you are usually not there to deal damage but instead are applying some kind of EWAR. Are there exceptions? Yes, but generally that has been my experience.

This, this right here. Speed tanking should not be a thing for this exact reason, I remember those days and it was absolutely infuriating.

Speed, like profile dampening, should not replace the need for a real tank but should compliment it instead. Tank = shield and/or armor. Tanks come in two kinds, regenerative tanking (Minmatar/Gallente) or buffer tanking (Caldari/Amarr). Caldari need better base shield on their suits and Minmatar need the best shield regen rates.

Yes, it does exist to a degree in EVE. However it is more of a damage mitigator than a primary tank, and should it be the primary tank you are usually not there to deal damage but instead are applying some kind of EWAR. Are there exceptions? Yes, but generally that has been my experience.

You so silly. And TRANSPARENT.
I am going to translate this QQ to Scrubese, my native language,
"I am a SGer because I'm a scrub and can OHK new players all day. The new players are wise to my scrubby ways and have learned how to counter my scrubness. I can't figure out another cheesy way to win, so it must be their fault. And the rail rifle is OP!"

Now offering Scrubese translating to all threads.

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Everyone that said the good scouts abused server updates in speed tanking scouts. Just couldnt come to terms that their personal Aim wasn't upto par...

The people who accepted they needed to improve their AIM had no issue with fast moving scouts...The Opposite in fact we LOVED the appearance of fast moving scouts as it tested our Aiming ability to its max. And if they got to close before we eliminated them we failed... If they flanked us then our situational awareness wasn't upto snuff..]

The skill gap is so compressed, that itGÇÖs like a slot machine. You might as well just sit down at a slot machine and have a thing that pops up an says GÇ£I got a kill!GÇ¥ TheyGÇÖve taken individual skill out of the equation so much. So you see these guysGÇöI see it all the time, they come in to play Red Orchestra, and theyGÇÖre like GÇ£This gameGÇÖs just too hardcore. IGÇÖm awesome at Call of Duty, so thereGÇÖs something wrong with your game. Because IGÇÖm not successful at playing this game, so it must suck. IGÇÖm not the problem, itGÇÖs your game.GÇ¥ And sometimes as designers, it is our game. Sometimes we screw up, sometimes we design something thatGÇÖs not accesible enough, they canGÇÖt figure it out, we didnGÇÖt give them enough information to figure out where to go... but more often than not, itGÇÖs because Call of Duty compressed their skill gap so much that these guys never needed to get good at a shooter. They never needed to get good at their twitch skills.

No one had a problem with fast scouts. People had a problem with them magically taking no damage. Hit Detection was directly related to speed of movement. My favorite example was having someone running right at me across a catwalk and taking no damage until he got in shotgun range. I even perfectly cooked a flux. When a person is punished for having tactical control then something is fundamentally wrong with the game.

Now that Hit Detection is working better bring on the faster scouts.


Calling a game a Twitch Shooter is technically an insult. Someone needs to clue Mr. Gibson in. Although re-reading the above it sounds more like sour grapes on his part. Their FPS failed and it's easier to blame others than take responsibility.

Well, it's been year and a half and player counts are around 150 during peak, and maybe 50 during off peak over here in the US. With one of the worst launches I have ever seen, with a game marketed to the community as an updated RO1, but turned out to be a COD/BF clone. Tripwire completely screwed the pooch. Most of the major bugs are gone and the game now is pretty playable. Tanks are still very very broken. Armor doesn't work right, Machinegunner AI is set to autoaim hax. the laggy servers, and in general broken still.

On a good note is that a new map is coming out for free, plus the classic mode which brings the game back into line with what RO1 was. Meaning RO2 now plays like it should. A better looking natural progression of RO1. Not the complete departure into COD/BF land that it is now. Hopefully Tripwire will be smart enough to do a free week or two at the same time as Classic mode release

I hate how speed tanking is dead

You so silly. And TRANSPARENT.
I am going to translate this QQ to Scrubese, my native language,
"I am a SGer because I'm a scrub and can OHK new players all day. The new players are wise to my scrubby ways and have learned how to counter my scrubness. I can't figure out another cheesy way to win, so it must be their fault. And the rail rifle is OP!"

Now offering Scrubese translating to all threads.

lol if you toss a armor plate on a gal scout you are indeed doing it wrong haha

Speed tanking was silly. Shotgunners shouldn't be able to run out into the open and have 5 people be unable to hit them. I saw Annie Oakley do this a ton. If a game makes it so hard to shoot so done that an entire squad fails to do so while they run I. The open, that's not a fun game. I say this as someone who started scout, switches to min assault during the scout dark ages, and am back to scout. I appreciate speed. But for flanking and moving to cover. Not for dancing while nobody could hit me.

Then u run around in scout suit with 300hp and see how "easy" it is when u get killed in 1 second by a RR

-SNIP-

You so silly. And TRANSPARENT.
I am going to translate this QQ to Scrubese, my native language,
"I am a SGer because I'm a scrub and can OHK new players all day. The new players are wise to my scrubby ways and have learned how to counter my scrubness. I can't figure out another cheesy way to win, so it must be their fault. And the rail rifle is OP!"

Now offering Scrubese translating to all threads.

What speed tanked suit has 300 HP?? I think ur doing it wrong. But yes speed tanking is dead. With scouts getting a speed buff in 1.8 it stands to reason that speed tanking should be viable again. But this is CCP. Wish in one hand and sh!t in the other; see which one fills up faster.

I'm a scout-

The idea of thinking you should be able to speed tank is a joke. Stealth works, and speed helps with stealth.

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Didn't happen in squads I was running in, in chromosome? Did you miss more shots then on a heavy trying to kill them? hell yea.. But they had ALOT less health... If they where out moving your personal aiming ability to track that was something you had to look inside on...

Because Annie and Calamity was competitive with an Assault, a Heavy and other scouts.. From the days when DUST was at the Most fun it's ever been.

And if your talking about Uprising they ran caldari logistic and minmatar suits... So invalid...

Speed tanking doesnt exist to a degree in EVE? wtf? lol that is the Vaga, Cynabal, Vigilant(fitted proper) Macherial.. I can go on foreever these are how these ships are fitted successfully in EVE for PVP. sooo?? wtf ..

Most people CAME TO DUST because of the whole concept that a Heavy was gonna be a brick and easy to aim at... Scouts where gonna be a glass cannon and extremely hard to aim at and medium suits where gonna be a middle of the road option...

Everyone LOVED that there was difficulty aiming from One person to the next as they would be fitted different have different roles and be moving at different speeds... It was aiming and engaging the player in moment to moment combat that made it fun and addicting.... not boring and redundant like it is now.

i like to use my shotgun guy, maybe I just suck with him but with aim assist
and rail rifles I don't stand a chance, my guy dies instantly

all i want to do is run around with kin cats and damage mods but because my suit has 300hp it drops instantly.
it doesn't matter how fast you're running when somebody doesn't have to aim to kill you.

I also have a militia suit with under 200hp, why does this exist? seriously CCP somebody is going to use this suit,
go up against what I was going up against and because they don't understand the game as a new player,
they'll quit as they'll think that's all that is available to them.

It's a pretty good feeling when you kill adv and even proto suits with the militia guy but normally you die before
you can get anywhere. How can you flank and be stealthy in a fast suit if you're being scanned?

you have to be right up in their face but they will get you in open ground or kill you before you come round the corner.

CCP if you want to make a game with variety then make all classes and loadouts usable! Right now if you don't
have a god damned rail or combat rifle there's no point in playing!

What's the point of having all this stuff in the game if you can only use 10% of it?
The TTK is still a huge issue, I'm seeing a lot of people putting up 50+ kills with the rail rifle because MLT
fits don't stand a CHANCE, regardless of how good that person is in an FPS game they will get destroyed simply because
the gun shooting at them is more effective at range and does a ridiculous amount of damage.

The rail rifle may get nerfed but it's not going to change the fact that you don't have to aim for your shots to do damage, either
the rounds are too big or it's the overall hit detection I don't know but the rail rifle is the easiest weapon in the game to use
and it makes using my favourite suits POINTLESS.

Hell I ran out of dropsuits yesterday because my militia suit dies in half a second to the rail rifle, so I should use a better
suit right? THEN WHY ARE MILITIA SUITS IN THE GAME?

For the last cpl weeks I have been using the mlt minmatar light more than my basic sentinel. Yes, everyone can OHK me if I try CQC. Does someone need to be nerfed?
NO
If I am scrub enough to think CQC is what light suits are for than I deserve to die.
Also, SGs are a very situational weapon at best. It's why no real armed forces don't issue them to regular troops. I did dismount on a Bradley from 93-95 and carried a USAS.

I have hated aim assist since it came into the game. People who could not shoot for s**t suddenly and overnight became master marksmen.

CCP should totally remove AA and anything else along those lines. Or at the very least dial it down. Its crazy how powerful it is. Speed tanking used to be viable, now its not so much.