DUST Search - Plasma Cannon Needs A Buff

TheD1CK wrote:

HandOGod wrote:

In my eyes the plasma cannon is equivalent to the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch.
If I may quote from the Book of Armaments, Chapter 4, verse 16

"Bless this, O Lord, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy."

The terribleness of the plasma cannon is one of it's greatest attributes.
The incredibly slow reload.
The single bullet clip size.
The fact that it shoots immediately after charging.
The parabolic arc it has when shot long distances.

It is a terrible weapon which I hold closer to my heart than any other.
Every kill I get with a plasma cannon makes me giggle like a little girl.
Every time I'm killed by a plasma cannon I bless the soul who wields it.

Get a squad of plasma cannoners and it's amazing.

I can see how it could be changed to make it better, but should it?

This guy knows whats up Pirate

Yes there is many ways it could be improved..... Should it???

NO

2 shots in a clip is ********, the PLC is High-powered....
If you add more shots it becomes OP....

It does need to be as effective as pre 1.7 in AV

Too all the guys that expect it to be as effective as a MD/FG/AR
It isn't and should not be, it performs a different role

HTFU and get good

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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 1484	Posted - 2014.02.20 16:42:00 - [1] - Quote i have taken an unintended week long break from the forums, so i have no idea what's been going on in here recently. but anyway, let's get on to the topic at hand. i was saving for shotgun proficiency 5, but then i realized 2 things. 1.) while i get really good scores with the shotgun almost every match, I'm trash with it, or moreover, I'm not as good as i want to be. I've seen people like Fusion Commander or Lightning xVx take on 3+ guys without a problem with a shotgun, but due to the sprinting bug and the fact that I'm trying to get used to playing with really high sensitivity, i usually can't fight more than 3 at a time, and i notice that a lot of my ambushes tend to fail, and i have to resort to pulling out my sidearm to finish them off. 2.) the heavy event will give me over 700,000 bonus sp, so that's an easy way to get it proficiency 5. so instead, and purely for the lolz, i skilled into proto plasma cannons. the ONLY reason i did it was so that people could say, "wow, i just got killed by a proto plasma cannon." anyway, after excessive use with it, I've noticed how glaringly underpowered it is, and i'll make a list of what I've noticed about it. 1.) the switch from plasma cannon to sidearm is WAY too long. if you shoot the plasma cannon, then you have to wait between 1-2 seconds before you can change weapons or sprint, which is enough time for a rifle to deal over 700 damage to you. the suit I'm using it with has 410 ehp (150 shield 260 armor). this also means that the sprinting bug is worse on the plasma cannon than any other weapon, and it's obvious why that's a problem. 2.). clip size is too small. when you combine with the problem(s) listed above, you can see why this is also a problem. My Solutions: 1.) decrease the time of switching from plasma cannon to sidearm after firing. the time it takes is arguably the longest in the game, for a weapon that is arguably the most underpowered. 2.) increase clip size to 2 at level 3 operation, and 3 at level 5 operation. before you start crying that it will be OP, think about it. a proto plasma cannon has roughly 313 base splash damage. without reload, the plasma cannon fire 1 shot roughly every 2 seconds. 2 seconds is enough time for a rifle to deal an insane amount of damage to you, so it's splash damage dps will be perfectly balanced. the only way it will be OP is if the user is good enough to always get direct hits. just my 2 isk. if you disagree, explain why. don't just post some pointless one liner please. Anime > EVERYTHING
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 64	Posted - 2014.02.20 16:45:00 - [2] - Quote +1 Sees prototompers... Sees blueberries start to snipe... Pulls out commando suit with laser rifle and swarm launcher...
Takron Nistrom Tinfoil Hatz 212	Posted - 2014.02.20 16:53:00 - [3] - Quote Tell us something we dont know. (Been wanting PLC buff for long time) GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥ GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 950	Posted - 2014.02.20 16:55:00 - [4] - Quote I concur. Honestly it could receive both of those buffs and still be balanced. +1
Bormir1r WarRavens League of Infamy 89	Posted - 2014.02.20 16:58:00 - [5] - Quote CCP needs to fix the shotgun first....then they can "think" about fixing the Plasma Cannon. "One does not simply" look for a scout, it looks for you.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4853	Posted - 2014.02.20 17:03:00 - [6] - Quote Bormir1r wrote: CCP needs to fix the shotgun first....then they can "think" about fixing the Plasma Cannon. Or they could do both. People like you who believe that your role should have higher priority over another is exactly what's wrong with this game's playerbase. Atiim (Gunnlogi - 80GJ Particle Cannon) Tank Scrub AFK No seriously. My lunch break's over now. :(
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 105	Posted - 2014.02.20 17:08:00 - [7] - Quote When people start buying AUR plasma cannons, CCP will jump right on that. Until then, an uppercase 'YOU SUCK!' to you for your QQ regarding a weapon nobody cares about. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 1974	Posted - 2014.02.20 17:09:00 - [8] - Quote Also a Plasma Canon user, and I agree with your assessment of some of the problems with it. I know that CCP was looking at making it more effective (or even effective) at it's intended role of AV. Kind of hoping that the 1.8 changes coming will include fixes to all the weapons. Since they are assess and tweaking for TTK it is pretty likely that most weapons will have some level of change to them. I don't see why adjusting direct damage to the shot can't be done as it already OHKs infantry, increasing the ROF would be another way to increase it's effectiveness. Though i personally like the single shot, that is more about the feel of the weapon to me. KRRROOOOOOM
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 953	Posted - 2014.02.20 17:13:00 - [9] - Quote I would like either a 2 round mag or a damage increase
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4855	Posted - 2014.02.20 17:14:00 - [10] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Also a Plasma Canon user, and I agree with your assessment of some of the problems with it. I know that CCP was looking at making it more effective (or even effective) at it's intended role of AV. Kind of hoping that the 1.8 changes coming will include fixes to all the weapons. Since they are assess and tweaking for TTK it is pretty likely that most weapons will have some level of change to them. I don't see why adjusting direct damage to the shot can't be done as it already OHKs infantry, increasing the ROF would be another way to increase it's effectiveness. Though i personally like the single shot, that is more about the feel of the weapon to me. If they ever add a clip to the PLC, maybe we could keep this variant as a breach, and jack the direct damage through the roof. Atiim (Gunnlogi - 80GJ Particle Cannon) Tank Scrub AFK No seriously. My lunch break's over now. :(

Llast 326 An Arkhos 1974	Posted - 2014.02.20 17:16:00 - [11] - Quote Atiim wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Also a Plasma Canon user, and I agree with your assessment of some of the problems with it. I know that CCP was looking at making it more effective (or even effective) at it's intended role of AV. Kind of hoping that the 1.8 changes coming will include fixes to all the weapons. Since they are assess and tweaking for TTK it is pretty likely that most weapons will have some level of change to them. I don't see why adjusting direct damage to the shot can't be done as it already OHKs infantry, increasing the ROF would be another way to increase it's effectiveness. Though i personally like the single shot, that is more about the feel of the weapon to me. If they ever add a clip to the PLC, maybe we could keep this variant as a breach, and jack the direct damage through the roof. This is an excellent idea KRRROOOOOOM
HandOGod Taints of Tartarus 217	Posted - 2014.02.20 17:31:00 - [12] - Quote In my eyes the plasma cannon is equivalent to the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch. If I may quote from the Book of Armaments, Chapter 4, verse 16 "Bless this, O Lord, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy." The terribleness of the plasma cannon is one of it's greatest attributes. The incredibly slow reload. The single bullet clip size. The fact that it shoots immediately after charging. The parabolic arc it has when shot long distances. It is a terrible weapon which I hold closer to my heart than any other. Every kill I get with a plasma cannon makes me giggle like a little girl. Every time I'm killed by a plasma cannon I bless the soul who wields it. Get a squad of plasma cannoners and it's amazing. I can see how it could be changed to make it better, but should it?
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 953	Posted - 2014.02.20 18:01:00 - [13] - Quote HandOGod wrote: In my eyes the plasma cannon is equivalent to the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch. If I may quote from the Book of Armaments, Chapter 4, verse 16 "Bless this, O Lord, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy." The terribleness of the plasma cannon is one of it's greatest attributes. The incredibly slow reload. The single bullet clip size. The fact that it shoots immediately after charging. The parabolic arc it has when shot long distances. It is a terrible weapon which I hold closer to my heart than any other. Every kill I get with a plasma cannon makes me giggle like a little girl. Every time I'm killed by a plasma cannon I bless the soul who wields it. Get a squad of plasma cannoners and it's amazing. I can see how it could be changed to make it better, but should it? Yes
Galthur Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 332	Posted - 2014.02.20 18:12:00 - [14] - Quote Three things are needed for the Plasma Cannon: 1. Increase direct damage to 1800/1900/2000 2. Increase splash damage by 50 3. Add the ability to airburst rounds by tapping R1 for when you miss targets or the enemy is elevated. What do you post in the war room when CCP is gone and PC is locked? 14:44 [CCP]Logibro: Not Anime.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3164	Posted - 2014.02.20 18:13:00 - [15] - Quote This is SOOOOO 1.6 No.
el OPERATOR Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 89	Posted - 2014.02.20 18:28:00 - [16] - Quote I'm not going to lie. I am terrified of the PLC being "adjusted" and in doing so becoming actually broken. Broken by either a stat imbalance or broken by new usage popularity causing so much QQ it then gets nerfed hard. That being said, I too hate the slow secondary weapon draw and would love that being fixed. The magazine aspect I'm still on the fence about. Open-Beta Vet. NPC Corp Independent Contractor. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original.
The Eristic Sad Panda Solutions 211	Posted - 2014.02.20 18:32:00 - [17] - Quote I'm pretty sure the sidearm delay occurs because of the PlC's long reload animation starting after every shot, in some kind of prioritization glitch. The first few frames where the game queues up the reload (the very frames where one usually wants to switch to sidearm) are dead space and seem to be where the problem occurs most frequently. It does not happen as often if one switches as soon as the round is out, in my experience.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 9797	Posted - 2014.02.20 18:42:00 - [18] - Quote Oh placon. I want to love you. I dearly want to love you. I run two of you on my commandos. But you're so terrible! ZATARA CARRIES US ALL Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution MAG Raven
Brolaire of Asstoria Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 215	Posted - 2014.02.20 19:21:00 - [19] - Quote You didn't seem to have any trouble disintegrating 2 of my favourite suits yesterday OP... No buff needed in my book I hear voices all the time... I just ignore them and keep on killing...
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 669	Posted - 2014.02.20 19:27:00 - [20] - Quote HandOGod wrote: In my eyes the plasma cannon is equivalent to the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch. If I may quote from the Book of Armaments, Chapter 4, verse 16 "Bless this, O Lord, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy." The terribleness of the plasma cannon is one of it's greatest attributes. The incredibly slow reload. The single bullet clip size. The fact that it shoots immediately after charging. The parabolic arc it has when shot long distances. It is a terrible weapon which I hold closer to my heart than any other. Every kill I get with a plasma cannon makes me giggle like a little girl. Every time I'm killed by a plasma cannon I bless the soul who wields it. Get a squad of plasma cannoners and it's amazing. I can see how it could be changed to make it better, but should it? This guy knows whats up Yes there is many ways it could be improved..... Should it??? NO 2 shots in a clip is ********, the PLC is High-powered.... If you add more shots it becomes OP.... It does need to be as effective as pre 1.7 in AV Too all the guys that expect it to be as effective as a MD/FG/AR It isn't and should not be, it performs a different role HTFU and get good Plasma Cannon will have its chance if AR/HAV 514 is ever fixed

Toby Flenderson research lab 280	Posted - 2014.02.20 20:10:00 - [21] - Quote Definitely a no on the clip size. Think about the damage being done after leveling it up with DMs... 3131.151.18 = 425 roughly for splash with only the first shot. All that needs to be done is hop around until the next shot can be fired and then it's over for just about any medium suit. This would be way too OP for the small amount of skill it takes to hit someone with splash damage and jump. It would also be ridiculous for AV. I'm in favor of increasing weapon swap speed but nothing with damage or clip size. It's usable in the right circumstances, even as a logi. Something should be changed but if we've learned anything it's that multiple buffs/nerds simultaneously is a bad idea
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 954	Posted - 2014.02.20 20:19:00 - [22] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: HandOGod wrote: In my eyes the plasma cannon is equivalent to the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch. If I may quote from the Book of Armaments, Chapter 4, verse 16 "Bless this, O Lord, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy." The terribleness of the plasma cannon is one of it's greatest attributes. The incredibly slow reload. The single bullet clip size. The fact that it shoots immediately after charging. The parabolic arc it has when shot long distances. It is a terrible weapon which I hold closer to my heart than any other. Every kill I get with a plasma cannon makes me giggle like a little girl. Every time I'm killed by a plasma cannon I bless the soul who wields it. Get a squad of plasma cannoners and it's amazing. I can see how it could be changed to make it better, but should it? This guy knows whats up Yes there is many ways it could be improved..... Should it??? NO 2 shots in a clip is *******, the PLC is High-powered.... If you add more shots it becomes OP.... It does need to be as effective as pre 1.7 in AV Too all the guys that expect it to be as effective as a MD/FG/AR It isn't and should not be, it performs a different role HTFU and get good facepalm*
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 3732	Posted - 2014.02.20 20:20:00 - [23] - Quote Yes it does!!!!! Increase projectile travel time, increase clip size, and increase ammo capacity. Fixed.....sort of.... Scout- "I'm going to knife you my commando!!!" commando turns around Commando- "FAAAAALCCCOOONNNNN PUUUUNNNCCCCHH!!"
Sergeant Sazu Snow Pirates 8	Posted - 2014.02.20 20:27:00 - [24] - Quote The Plasma Cannon is kinda just a trophy. It's cool n' all that you have it, but it's not incredibly useful. But keep in mind guys that this thing can actually be used on both vehicles and infantry. So it should suck a little. However we are all in agreement the sidearm delay needs to go. My personal opinion, I'd like to have a decent increase to muzzle velocity and decrease to the arc. Or have a variant that is weaker but with these traits. Just imagine that: "Killed by Assault Plasma Cannon" Tell me that doesn't sound awesome. 1.7: Railgun damage goes up, tank HP goes down. How is this okay?
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 956	Posted - 2014.02.20 20:29:00 - [25] - Quote Toby Flenderson wrote: Definitely a no on the clip size. Think about the damage being done after leveling it up with DMs... 3131.151.18 = 425 roughly for splash with only the first shot. All that needs to be done is hop around until the next shot can be fired and then it's over for just about any medium suit. This would be way too OP for the small amount of skill it takes to hit someone with splash damage and jump. It would also be ridiculous for AV. I'm in favor of increasing weapon swap speed but nothing with damage or clip size. It's usable in the right circumstances, even as a logi. Something should be changed but if we've learned anything it's that multiple buffs/nerds simultaneously is a bad idea That's assuming max proficiency, 2 dmg mods, proto cannon, AND hitting in the center of the explosion. Even with those stats any non explosive gun would kill faster
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 956	Posted - 2014.02.20 20:31:00 - [26] - Quote Sergeant Sazu wrote: The Plasma Cannon is kinda just a trophy. It's cool n' all that you have it, but it's not incredibly useful. But keep in mind guys that this thing can actually be used on both vehicles and infantry. So it should suck a little. However we are all in agreement the sidearm delay needs to go. My personal opinion, I'd like to have a decent increase to muzzle velocity and decrease to the arc. Or have a variant that is weaker but with these traits. Just imagine that: "Killed by Assault Plasma Cannon" Tell me that doesn't sound awesome. No, it shouldn't suck That's like saying the forge gun should suck because it's useful against people and vehicles.
Stiddlefaxq Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 22	Posted - 2014.02.20 20:55:00 - [27] - Quote I don't understand how the plasma cannon hasn't received a buff since its release. It has been almost universally regarded as useless against both vehicles and infantry by pro and noob alike. There has been 5-6 patches in between then and now.... The opportunity to buff damage or clip size marginally has been passed on every time. Small balance changes involving simple number modification should be done every patch. Balance is achieved through small changes, not the nerf hammer approach that CCP has been using
Sergeant Sazu Snow Pirates 8	Posted - 2014.02.20 20:58:00 - [28] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Sergeant Sazu wrote: The Plasma Cannon is kinda just a trophy. It's cool n' all that you have it, but it's not incredibly useful. But keep in mind guys that this thing can actually be used on both vehicles and infantry. So it should suck a little. However we are all in agreement the sidearm delay needs to go. My personal opinion, I'd like to have a decent increase to muzzle velocity and decrease to the arc. Or have a variant that is weaker but with these traits. Just imagine that: "Killed by Assault Plasma Cannon" Tell me that doesn't sound awesome. No, it shouldn't suck That's like saying the forge gun should suck because it's useful against people and vehicles. Would you like the fireable Remote Explosive become more useful and overused? It's gotta have weaknesses due to it's raw power on infantry and vehicles alike. (Especially that fitting cost... shudder) Remote Explosives are another discussion, though. The Forge Gun at the moment is a great weapon in skilled hands, but like the Submachine Gun IMO, any more improvements and it's horribly OP. 1.7: Railgun damage goes up, tank HP goes down. How is this okay?
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2253	Posted - 2014.02.20 20:58:00 - [29] - Quote Damage (Dropsuit): ### Damage (Vehicle): ### This should probably be done for every weapon that could theoretically be dual purpose like MDs and FGs.
Sergeant Sazu Snow Pirates 8	Posted - 2014.02.20 21:10:00 - [30] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Damage (Dropsuit): ### Damage (Vehicle): ### This should probably be done for every weapon that could theoretically be dual purpose like MDs and FGs. Ah, I remember the good ol' days when you could have Fluxes and a Mass Driver and you had some AV capabilities. But yes, lots of numbers should be added to the game, such as the exact stacking penalty percentage for each module, so I can do the math on my own, and your idea. Also something I've never gotten the exact number for, which is the damage increase/decrease for said weapon type vs. shields and armor. (And what weapons are what type should also be added) 1.7: Railgun damage goes up, tank HP goes down. How is this okay?



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