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KingBabar
The Rainbow Effect
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.02.20 08:34:00 -
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40 995 Isk per suit. So very cheap. I lost 5 suits in a game, and not only didn't I lose 1 M isk that game, I even came out With a net profit.
Slightly annoying to lose 1 vs 1 engagements vs some of the more beefy fattys but otherwise, I couldn't really tell any noteworthy difference except for all my toys (Equipments) were kind of sucky. I've een getting used to the most fanzy equipment isk can buy and, well, comapct nanohives do work but they're not exactly great...
So I Wonder, this goes for all of you not running proto in pub games, and indeed the mass of players getting butthurt of Our general use of it. If I now keep using my 41K fit, making a profit in every game, + keep ringing in PC making even more ISK. What the hell am I supposed to use all this isk for?
For the wast majority of the playerbase, using a cheap fit like this or indeed even cheaper, what do you do With Your isk? Or is it some sort of point to gathering and keeping billions? I don't get it.
And no, I can't "use it for PC" since PC is were I earn my isk and pubgames is were I've so far burnt it away by playing in a stupid manner in a 235K isk logi suit.
What the hell am I supposed to use all my isk for?
Best Idea gets a 10 M "thank you".
FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
1307
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Posted - 2014.02.20 08:36:00 -
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Send it to an alt and biomass it.
Drop it like its hat.
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Debacle Nano
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
724
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Posted - 2014.02.20 08:38:00 -
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Buy out a corporation that's highly acclaimed or something.
Closed beta anyone?
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Critical-Impact
2730
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Posted - 2014.02.20 08:39:00 -
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After your first few 100 Million, ISK is just a way to keep score no real use for it nothing luxurious out there to buy and sink my ISK into *hint hint CCP*...
But depending on how much ISK you actually have saved up i got BPO's for sale for stupid high price that generally only people with stupid high amounts of ISK can afford and will most likely never use because they can still afford to run proto but keep the BPO's as a rare collectible. <-- One of the quickest way to burn your ISK in this game i guarantee it.
Templar BPO(375Mil)
EVE Pilot
I feed off your tears
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Lynn Beck
Granite Mercenary Division
Top Men.
785
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Posted - 2014.02.20 08:39:00 -
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Run plasma cannon protos. They can't call you out on that.
Plasma cannons, commandos, scouts, minmatar assault, laser rifles, flaylock pistols, soon to be Ion-pistols.
In other words, skill something other than your OP as **** AR/CR/Scr/RR and run things that take actual skill.
Not your point n spray (sometimes just spray) 'takes a heavy to kill me or a 3v1, and even then its' kinda iffy'
No SP refund=academy stomping FOR DAYYZ
Proud owner of 69 'Fleshriver' Nk's.
No i don't buy AUR
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Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
1067
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Posted - 2014.02.20 08:40:00 -
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What makes you think you won't be needing that ISK later?
<- runs around in a 10k fit all day long |
Venerable Phage
Red Shirts Away Team
47
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Posted - 2014.02.20 08:41:00 -
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Play an assault dropship when you see a swarm of enemy tanks. |
NK Scout
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
469
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Posted - 2014.02.20 08:44:00 -
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Venerable Phage wrote:Play an assault dropship when you see a swarm of enemy tanks.
That will screw your wallet
2 exiles assault rifles,
Skinweave caldari frame,
Staff recruiter mlt frame,
Templar set
Caldari Master Race
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Lynn Beck
Granite Mercenary Division
Top Men.
785
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Posted - 2014.02.20 08:45:00 -
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^
If you're so L337, and can never lose isk, and always have some, then run assault DS. That's quite possibly THE single hardest thing in life.(yes, life.) not even birthing a baby out of your right nipple is that hard.
No SP refund=academy stomping FOR DAYYZ
Proud owner of 69 'Fleshriver' Nk's.
No i don't buy AUR
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Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
1237
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Posted - 2014.02.20 08:51:00 -
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You can go around funding others' causes. If there's someone new to the game trying to learn how to pilot dropships (bless their soul) you can help them by funding their endeavors.
That's what I used to do when I had a decent wallet. |
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
1309
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Posted - 2014.02.20 08:52:00 -
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Best suggestion so far is to spec into assault DS.
Drop it like its hat.
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JL3Eleven
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
1710
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Posted - 2014.02.20 09:09:00 -
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Give your ISK to me so I can burn it to keep my slave strippers warm. They get cold you know.
It's sexier if you look me in the eyes...
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Rogue Saint
Science For Death
800
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Posted - 2014.02.20 09:11:00 -
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Fund your less well off corp mates.
Edit: Doubt there are any!
GôêGÆ+GÆ+GƦ - Causes headaches, it's official
+1 for Infantry Skills Refund in 1.8 or I win DUST514
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
2014
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Posted - 2014.02.20 09:15:00 -
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I often run a 3,000 ISK suit and even if I go 3-20 I still pull nearly 70,000 isk from a loss.
Hopefully there will be other stuff to spend your isk on, but as it stands Im a hoarder, that and like every engagement to be a risk.
Combat Engineer in training.
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens
League of Infamy
592
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Posted - 2014.02.20 09:33:00 -
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If you are going to have a surplus and know that you won't need a huge amount soon (risky proposition), I would find a reliable money changing service and try out EVE. The ratio is generally very favorable for DUST mercs as money is slower to make. Start up an account and try it out with some extra cash. If you really have that much extra DUST isk, see if you can trade it in for PLEX (30 days of game time that you can buy from CCP with real money or buy from a player for isk) and play for free.
If this whole market integration thing happens, you will probably at least want to see what EVE is like considering they will be supplying your toys. I know that I am keeping my manufacturing alt active because if something I want isn't readily available or is ridiculously expensive, I know that I will always have a supply of it.
Even if you don't do that, still try out EVE. You can get 2 weeks free or 3 weeks free if you use someone's referral link, and people will generally pay you 10 million to use their link. |
Alternate Insano
SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD
104
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Posted - 2014.02.20 09:42:00 -
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Supposedly everyone is quitting EVE when Star Citizen launches.
Therefore I would use as much proto gear as I could now. Put together the scrubbiest over the top dropsuit fitting you can and kill everyone as much as you can. Grenade suicide in front of your enemies with proto grenades to really give them 'the bird'
DUST 514 Super Scrub
Level 262 Forum Troll
Play, or play not. There is no balance.
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Alternate Insano
SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD
105
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Posted - 2014.02.20 09:53:00 -
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Babs, just had a much bettter idea. Go to market, buy millions of Viziam ScRs. Seek out a single player, announce he is your sworn enemy, kill him exclusively until he quits. Then pick a new guy and.....
DUST 514 Super Scrub
Level 262 Forum Troll
Play, or play not. There is no balance.
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KingBabar
The Rainbow Effect
Negative-Feedback
1908
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Posted - 2014.02.20 09:55:00 -
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I said good suggestions.
Why would I like to play EVE? If I have trouble sleeping I will put on some old black and white documentary. I've been in EVE With a friends account and everything was so slow and borng, even the fights were slow and boring. I tried to ask him, "Who the best pilote in his corp was", and he said that this dude had the best ship. Yes thats fine but who's the best pilote? Who has the best aim and Control of his ship? Then he said that this dude had a sort of tracking thingy on his ship and I startd to realise that EVE isn't affected by player skill at all. Yes the co-ordination of a large fleet, ship fitting and such but when it comes Down to an actual engagement the numbers rule. In Dust you can easily take out a proto suit With a starter fit if you get the drop and knows how to aim, I've died countless times due to a militia ARs in the back. In EVE, a starter ship vs a bigger ship of an experienced player is a sure loss. You can't use Your player skill to outmanouver or outgunn a superior ship so the entire game IMO loses its fun factor.
And I'm not gonna swith from being a Assault/support player to be a vehicle player just to burn through my isk, if I actually wanted to fly I would.
And using stupid fittings like plasma cannon on a protosuit so that I will die more and become useles to my team is not gonna happen. I play to win the games I play and the difference between a 40 K isk ebhanced suit and a 240 K isk proto suit is negligeable at best.
And no, I'm not gonna keep saving isk on the off chance that this game might get good in the future. As I see it, I have enough isk to run full protosuits for the rest of my Dust career.
So, am I to conclude that protostomping is the only viable way to lose isk in this game?
And a question? How is it possible for so many players to go "broke"? I see it in local chat and on these forums, "I need isk, I'm soo poor". I mean, you can fit a 35-40 K suit thats almost as good as a 200 + K isk suit and then you should always make a profit, if not every game, at least every day of playing. I don't get it.
FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
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Sum1ne Else
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
Top Men.
914
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Posted - 2014.02.20 10:02:00 -
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I would try and goto some indie corp, say you would give them money just because you are rich. Firstly, they would need to give you something..so it would be a trust game. Say give me some isk and I will double it. Say they give you 1isk..give them 50k isk..its one click, say to them it was easier that way but you are serious youre talking millions.. and then if they give you 1m+ then give them your start money wether that be 100m, 200m etc.
try it, EVE/DUST full of scammers, but if some corp falls for it..then you can say be careful etc. Be the Peoples Champ- no homo
Public Relations WJR
Its a leopleuradon Charlie a magical leoplueradon, its gunna guide our way to candy mountain!
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Scheherazade VII
216
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Posted - 2014.02.20 10:35:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:40 995 Isk per suit. So very cheap. I lost 5 suits in a game, and not only didn't I lose 1 M isk that game, I even came out With a net profit.
Slightly annoying to lose 1 vs 1 engagements vs some of the more beefy fattys but otherwise, I couldn't really tell any noteworthy difference except for all my toys (Equipments) were kind of sucky. I've een getting used to the most fanzy equipment isk can buy and, well, comapct nanohives do work but they're not exactly great...
So I Wonder, this goes for all of you not running proto in pub games, and indeed the mass of players getting butthurt of Our general use of it. If I now keep using my 41K fit, making a profit in every game, + keep ringing in PC making even more ISK. What the hell am I supposed to use all this isk for?
For the wast majority of the playerbase, using a cheap fit like this or indeed even cheaper, what do you do With Your isk? Or is it some sort of point to gathering and keeping billions? I don't get it.
And no, I can't "use it for PC" since PC is were I earn my isk and pubgames is were I've so far burnt it away by playing in a stupid manner in a 235K isk logi suit.
What the hell am I supposed to use all my isk for?
Best Idea gets a 10 M "thank you".
Send it to me, I use the SCR so fatties are no problem, ADV all the way! |
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GINTARA 514
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.02.20 10:51:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:40 995 Isk per suit. So very cheap. I lost 5 suits in a game, and not only didn't I lose 1 M isk that game, I even came out With a net profit.
Slightly annoying to lose 1 vs 1 engagements vs some of the more beefy fattys but otherwise, I couldn't really tell any noteworthy difference except for all my toys (Equipments) were kind of sucky. I've een getting used to the most fanzy equipment isk can buy and, well, comapct nanohives do work but they're not exactly great...
So I Wonder, this goes for all of you not running proto in pub games, and indeed the mass of players getting butthurt of Our general use of it. If I now keep using my 41K fit, making a profit in every game, + keep ringing in PC making even more ISK. What the hell am I supposed to use all this isk for?
For the wast majority of the playerbase, using a cheap fit like this or indeed even cheaper, what do you do With Your isk? Or is it some sort of point to gathering and keeping billions? I don't get it.
And no, I can't "use it for PC" since PC is were I earn my isk and pubgames is were I've so far burnt it away by playing in a stupid manner in a 235K isk logi suit.
What the hell am I supposed to use all my isk for?
Best Idea gets a 10 M "thank you".
You have the money to run prototype class gear and you chose to run lower tier gear. I just don't understand you. Maybe its because I am poor. If I had your isk I would run prototype gear forever. |
Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens
League of Infamy
592
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Posted - 2014.02.20 10:58:00 -
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Alternate Insano wrote:Supposedly everyone is quitting EVE when Star Citizen launches.
Therefore I would use as much proto gear as I could now. Put together the scrubbiest over the top dropsuit fitting you can and kill everyone as much as you can. Grenade suicide in front of your enemies with proto grenades to really give them 'the bird'
Everyone was quitting Everquest when DAoC, Star Wars Galaxy, and Everquest II came out.
Everyone was quitting World of Warcraft when Aion, Age of Conan, Guild Wars 2, DC Universe Online, Rift, Star Wars: The Old Republic, Warhammer Online, etc.
People like to say "I am leaving X when Y comes out" but it generally does not happen. Their friends are still in X and they are familiar with it. EVE is completely different than anything else on the market; Economy MMO Simulator. I don't see Star Citizen going that route. |
Chuckles Brown
95
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Posted - 2014.02.20 11:00:00 -
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You can run basic BPO suits and crank out even more profit.
If you have them try these.
"Templar" Assault A-I
"Templar" Scrambler Rifle
"Templar" Scrampler Pistol
1 Enhanced Shield Extender
1 Basic Shield Extender (you perhaps could fit 2 Complex, but my Core Skills aren't maxed yet)
1 Enhanced Armor Plate
Flux Grenade
Stable Allotek Drop Uplink
Watch the WP and ISK roll in...
Next
"Staff Recruiter" MLT (Any Caldari MLT BPO, Raven, Covenant, Dragonfly, etc...)
"Exile" Assault Rifle
"Templar" Scrambler Pistol
1 Enhanced Shield Extender
1 Basic Shield Extender
1 Basic Armor Plate
Flux Grenade
Remote Explosives
Both of these suits are DIRT CHEAP but still very effective. I suppose they are only for veteran players who have the SP to use them which ironically; most vets aren't hurting for ISK...
The Official alt of 8213
Do you pub, brah?
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Chuckles Brown
95
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Posted - 2014.02.20 11:07:00 -
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GINTARA 514 wrote:KingBabar wrote:40 995 Isk per suit. So very cheap. I lost 5 suits in a game, and not only didn't I lose 1 M isk that game, I even came out With a net profit.
Slightly annoying to lose 1 vs 1 engagements vs some of the more beefy fattys but otherwise, I couldn't really tell any noteworthy difference except for all my toys (Equipments) were kind of sucky. I've een getting used to the most fanzy equipment isk can buy and, well, comapct nanohives do work but they're not exactly great...
So I Wonder, this goes for all of you not running proto in pub games, and indeed the mass of players getting butthurt of Our general use of it. If I now keep using my 41K fit, making a profit in every game, + keep ringing in PC making even more ISK. What the hell am I supposed to use all this isk for?
For the wast majority of the playerbase, using a cheap fit like this or indeed even cheaper, what do you do With Your isk? Or is it some sort of point to gathering and keeping billions? I don't get it.
And no, I can't "use it for PC" since PC is were I earn my isk and pubgames is were I've so far burnt it away by playing in a stupid manner in a 235K isk logi suit.
What the hell am I supposed to use all my isk for?
Best Idea gets a 10 M "thank you". You have the money to run prototype class gear and you chose to run lower tier gear. I just don't understand you. Maybe its because I am poor. If I had your isk I would run prototype gear forever.
Where's the fun in that??
The Official alt of 8213
Do you pub, brah?
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mr musturd
0uter.Heaven
384
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Posted - 2014.02.20 11:13:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:40 995 Isk per suit. So very cheap. I lost 5 suits in a game, and not only didn't I lose 1 M isk that game, I even came out With a net profit.
Slightly annoying to lose 1 vs 1 engagements vs some of the more beefy fattys but otherwise, I couldn't really tell any noteworthy difference except for all my toys (Equipments) were kind of sucky. I've een getting used to the most fanzy equipment isk can buy and, well, comapct nanohives do work but they're not exactly great...
So I Wonder, this goes for all of you not running proto in pub games, and indeed the mass of players getting butthurt of Our general use of it. If I now keep using my 41K fit, making a profit in every game, + keep ringing in PC making even more ISK. What the hell am I supposed to use all this isk for?
For the wast majority of the playerbase, using a cheap fit like this or indeed even cheaper, what do you do With Your isk? Or is it some sort of point to gathering and keeping billions? I don't get it.
And no, I can't "use it for PC" since PC is were I earn my isk and pubgames is were I've so far burnt it away by playing in a stupid manner in a 235K isk logi suit.
What the hell am I supposed to use all my isk for?
Best Idea gets a 10 M "thank you".
give it to me, i will only spend it on nova knives |
Aaroniero d'Lioncourt
0uter.Heaven
393
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Posted - 2014.02.20 11:26:00 -
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Can i haz some isks too?
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KingBabar
The Rainbow Effect
Negative-Feedback
1909
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Posted - 2014.02.20 11:28:00 -
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And yet I get several players in this thread asking for my isk which I don't need.
If you are to poor to run proto then run enhanced and problem solved.
I still don't get it. Why do you guys need the isk? What do you do With it?
FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1682
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Posted - 2014.02.20 11:33:00 -
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Alternate Insano wrote:Supposedly everyone is quitting EVE when Star Citizen launches.
Therefore I would use as much proto gear as I could now. Put together the scrubbiest over the top dropsuit fitting you can and kill everyone as much as you can. Grenade suicide in front of your enemies with proto grenades to really give them 'the bird'
I am sure that Star Citizen will finally kill EVE, every other game has in the past 11 years just like they always say it will.
"You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus."
Raoul Duke
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mr musturd
0uter.Heaven
384
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Posted - 2014.02.20 11:33:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:And yet I get several players in this thread asking for my isk which I don't need.
If you are to poor to run proto then run enhanced and problem solved.
I still don't get it. Why do you guys need the isk? What do you do With it?
i dont need it, i would spend it on knives, because you can never have enough knives..... but heres a better idea you buy yourself some knives and go out and cut people |
Gauder Berwyck
Deadly Blue Dots
315
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Posted - 2014.02.20 11:54:00 -
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mr musturd wrote:KingBabar wrote:And yet I get several players in this thread asking for my isk which I don't need.
If you are to poor to run proto then run enhanced and problem solved.
I still don't get it. Why do you guys need the isk? What do you do With it? i dont need it, i would spend it on knives, because you can never have enough knives..... but heres a better idea you buy yourself some knives and go out and cut people
He'll do it.................. |
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KingBabar
The Rainbow Effect
Negative-Feedback
1910
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Posted - 2014.02.20 11:55:00 -
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And spend Close to 5 M skillpoints to make an effective character for it?
I dunno.
FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
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richiesutie 2
The Rainbow Effect
Negative-Feedback
795
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Posted - 2014.02.20 12:05:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:And yet I get several players in this thread asking for my isk which I don't need.
If you are to poor to run proto then run enhanced and problem solved.
I still don't get it. Why do you guys need the isk? What do you do With it?
They buy assault dropships, which the can't fly, then crash them into the mcc and rage about "foooooking RDVS"
compilation of Patch/build notes
Check it out! :)
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Jackof All-Trades
The Black Renaissance
488
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Posted - 2014.02.20 12:45:00 -
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... Factional? Isn't the whole point of it to be a ISK sink?
"Pulvis et umbra sums." We are but dust and shadow GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
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Omni-Specialist
/ Focus: Gallente
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Protocake JR
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
1391
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Posted - 2014.02.20 12:48:00 -
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Easy.
You send the surplus to Protocake JR because Protocake JR became broke as **** after I quit PC. 
10m pls 
The PC and SL should fit into the Sidearm slot so it's accessible and practical to carry one.
AV spam vs V spam
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ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
1576
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Posted - 2014.02.20 12:49:00 -
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41k suits ... 5 deaths... =/= 1mill...
Just sayin
The answer is "ForgeGun"... doesnt matter what the question is...
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
2643
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Posted - 2014.02.20 12:51:00 -
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Nice excuse to keep on proto stomping in pubs
Intelligence is OP
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kiarbanor
S.e.V.e.N.
General Tso's Alliance
327
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Posted - 2014.02.20 13:09:00 -
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You've already disregarded saving ISK for possible ISK sinks in the future; that's one of the reasons I don't run proto all the time. CCP has to fix the ISK problems that PC created; so, my guess is they'll make a mode (maybe PvE) that eats ISK up.
In my opinion, you're trying to justify (not like you have to) proto stomping in pubs when that's the only way to burn your ISK. The sad truth is that not everyone can enjoy that ISK generated by PC; so, they attempt to run proto--in order to counter your proto--but they simply don't have the funds to support it.
You ask those of us that save the ISK why we feel it's necessary to save imaginary money, which is a valid question. But I'll ask you why you feel the need to spend imaginary money when what you're spending it on--your ISK sink--has negative implications to the game and new players?
Running proto in pubs isn't fun to me; I would rather run Dragonfly with two toxin SMGs and die 10 to 20 times because all I want is real competition and good games.
My 2 ISK.
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Lanius Pulvis
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
152
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Posted - 2014.02.20 13:11:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:And yet I get several players in this thread asking for my isk which I don't need.
If you are to poor to run proto then run enhanced and problem solved.
I still don't get it. Why do you guys need the isk? What do you do With it?
If it were just a matter of ISK, I'd run proto occasionally. But some of us simply don't have access to proto. You seem to forget how much harder it is to be competitive when you're still making hard choices like, "do I go for lvl 3 electronics, or my Adv suit".
But as to your original question, as someone else said, FW. If you want a good fight, go Caldari, if you just want to Troll, go wherever you want. It's like PC without as much Proto, and crap payouts.
Not new, just new to you.
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843-BANE
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
812
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Posted - 2014.02.20 13:17:00 -
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I run advanced to better my gun play and tactics. A LOT of players use prototype gear as a crutch. You stick them in advanced gear and they get ****** in the ass by just about every red dot out there. People who wear proto ALL the time are probably wearing it all the time because they have to, not because they can afford it. They do it to keep their K/D shiny and fear their reputation would be sullied otherwise. Take Kalante Schiffer, now I KNOW he is probably reeling in ISK 24/7, however I only ever see him in proto gear in Pc, he still wrecks people in his ADV gear in pub matches. I try and be the same these days, and only pull proto in pubs when I really think it is necessary.
King I see you in your full proto most of the time I won't lie, and don't get me wrong I have the utmost respect for you, your corporation and your gun-play but when I've seen you in ADV gear you drop dead quick. Keep running your ADV gear or lower and actually improve your skill, stop using proto gear as a crutch even though you can afford it. That advice goes out to everyone. I have no problem with 'proto-stomping' and I never have, but for the betterment of one's self I do believe running prototype 24/7 is a very bad idea.
Director // Major // BurgezzE.T.F
Challenge me to Thunderdome.
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Big Popa Smurff
The Rainbow Effect
Negative-Feedback
943
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Posted - 2014.02.20 13:22:00 -
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any isk left over id buy tanks an keep em til they inevitably go up in price and the player market comes out and sell em for big profit.
Original AFK Hunter
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Ryme Intrinseca
Fatal Absolution
753
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Posted - 2014.02.20 13:31:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:40 995 Isk per suit. So very cheap. I lost 5 suits in a game, and not only didn't I lose 1 M isk that game, I even came out With a net profit.
Slightly annoying to lose 1 vs 1 engagements vs some of the more beefy fattys but otherwise, I couldn't really tell any noteworthy difference except for all my toys (Equipments) were kind of sucky. I've een getting used to the most fanzy equipment isk can buy and, well, comapct nanohives do work but they're not exactly great...
So I Wonder, this goes for all of you not running proto in pub games, and indeed the mass of players getting butthurt of Our general use of it. If I now keep using my 41K fit, making a profit in every game, + keep ringing in PC making even more ISK. What the hell am I supposed to use all this isk for?
For the wast majority of the playerbase, using a cheap fit like this or indeed even cheaper, what do you do With Your isk? Or is it some sort of point to gathering and keeping billions? I don't get it.
And no, I can't "use it for PC" since PC is were I earn my isk and pubgames is were I've so far burnt it away by playing in a stupid manner in a 235K isk logi suit.
What the hell am I supposed to use all my isk for?
Best Idea gets a 10 M "thank you".
Yep, this is the basic problem with the QQ about protostomping. THERE IS NOTHING ELSE TO SPEND ISK ON.
Plus, I actually have an unusual metaphysical view about what a merc is that is relevant here. Most people think their merc is 'immortal'. This is a Genolution motivational slogan, not a serious philosophical position. If I made a million identical copies of YOU (the actual player reading this), that wouldn't stop you from caring about what happened to YOU, the original version. If you get shot in the face, you're dead. Some other dudes (who happen to be identical copies) would survive, but that's scant consolation if you yourself have shuffled off this mortal coil. Similarly, if clone 1 is shot in the face, the fact that clone 2, clone 3, etc are still going does not change the fact that clone 1 is now dead.
How is this relevant to protostomping? Well, I don't think I'm immortal in battle. I care when I lose a clone, because that means I (the avatar occupied by me, the player) has died. That life will never come back. And I'll be damned if I'm going to increase my risk of death for the sake of mere ISK. |
Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
2698
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Posted - 2014.02.20 13:42:00 -
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Any of my excess ISK goes to experimenting with dumb stuff and Hard Mode fits.
Dual Pistol Scout
PLC Heavy
Biotics Tanked Heavy
Assault Shotty
I can only imagine the dumb **** I would run sideways if I had even more to burn. Probably get my homies together and run Melee Commando Knockout squads for the laughs. This, assuming KDR supremacy really isn't your goal.
I GÖú Kittens.
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Lordsmash
Dead Man's Game
6
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Posted - 2014.02.20 13:46:00 -
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What does a person do when they have enough ISK to run prototype stuff every match?
Run prototype stuff every match.
Why? Screw the enemy team, that's why.
Make it easier on the enemy team I'm being paid to try and win against? Where is the logic?
Oh, but new players are quitting because people like KingBabar are running prototype stuff and making their games miserable.
Yeah, and? If CCP didn't want this to happen, then it wouldn't happen.
See where I'm going with this? It's not our job to make games easier for people on the enemy team.
What KingBabar is asking himself is: If they're running cheap suits all the time, surely they've got to have loads of ISK. What can they be spending it on?
Well, to answer this question, let us take a look at another argument: Running prototype suits is not necessary all the time.
No, no it's not, but what else are you going to do with your vast piles of ISK?
Running lesser gear makes you better when you run prototype stuff: An argument which holds some weight.
If you can down better suits whilst wearing standard, then obviously you're doing something better than the other guy.
Blah blah blah, arguments for and against.
I'm not here to start an argument, I admit my thoughts may have wandered away from what I was originally trying to say:
People can run whatever they like, and you can't do anything about it, because this is intended game mechanics.
If you can do it, and keep doing it for months, and CCP knows you can do it because they let you do it, then behaviour like this must empower the player to make them feel like they have a choice to do whatever they like.
That must be a sandbox element that CCP wants.
Locking districts? Glitches? Unintended, as stated by CCP themselves. Don't bring them up. Doing them is excusable because CCP can't stop it, but are trying to fix it.
If CCP say protostomping is something they want to change somehow, then fine. If they said it was unacceptable, then they would do something.
What am I writing this for, I don't know. Agh, I don't even know why, or how I even came out with this.
Anyway: It's the player's choice, and you've got no right in dictating this choice unless you are said individual or CCP.
It's out of your hands. Accept that.
That's enough from me, I need a cold drink and need to get back to reading.
And back to our usual weather forecast: Cloudy, raining, with a chance of bullets and death and whatnot.
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KingBabar
The Rainbow Effect
Negative-Feedback
1912
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Posted - 2014.02.20 13:46:00 -
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843-BANE wrote:I run advanced to better my gun play and tactics. A LOT of players use prototype gear as a crutch. You stick them in advanced gear and they get ****** in the ass by just about every red dot out there. People who wear proto ALL the time are probably wearing it all the time because they have to, not because they can afford it. They do it to keep their K/D shiny and fear their reputation would be sullied otherwise. Take Kalante Schiffer, now I KNOW he is probably reeling in ISK 24/7, however I only ever see him in proto gear in Pc, he still wrecks people in his ADV gear in pub matches. I try and be the same these days, and only pull proto in pubs when I really think it is necessary.
King I see you in your full proto most of the time I won't lie, and don't get me wrong I have the utmost respect for you, your corporation and your gun-play but when I've seen you in ADV gear you drop dead quick. Keep running your ADV gear or lower and actually improve your skill, stop using proto gear as a crutch even though you can afford it. That advice goes out to everyone. I have no problem with 'proto-stomping' and I never have, but for the betterment of one's self I do believe running prototype 24/7 is a very bad idea.
I don't agree. Yes I die quickly but that happens in proto aswell, we're talking about 1 extra enhanced plate, enough to tip the scale in a Close 1 vs 1 but nothing at all when facing 3+ players. I got several games With 23-1, 25-1 22-2 and the like yesterday. Moatly its still forge guns, snipers and tanks that kill me, proto doean't make any difference in that regard.
I see it more as a "crutch" for the general community. The "he used proto" crutch is all over the Place, not thinking of you personally.
FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
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Sana Rayya
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
Top Men.
846
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Posted - 2014.02.20 13:48:00 -
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I run BPO/cheap fits not because I need the ISK (I'm at just over 800 mil right now) but because I find it more thrilling.
And I get a sick pleasure from taking out proto players while using a suit that's cheaper than most proto modules.
So run what you want, even if it's full proto all the time; what matters is having fun and fighting interesting games. |
843-BANE
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
815
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Posted - 2014.02.20 13:50:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:843-BANE wrote:I run advanced to better my gun play and tactics. A LOT of players use prototype gear as a crutch. You stick them in advanced gear and they get ****** in the ass by just about every red dot out there. People who wear proto ALL the time are probably wearing it all the time because they have to, not because they can afford it. They do it to keep their K/D shiny and fear their reputation would be sullied otherwise. Take Kalante Schiffer, now I KNOW he is probably reeling in ISK 24/7, however I only ever see him in proto gear in Pc, he still wrecks people in his ADV gear in pub matches. I try and be the same these days, and only pull proto in pubs when I really think it is necessary.
King I see you in your full proto most of the time I won't lie, and don't get me wrong I have the utmost respect for you, your corporation and your gun-play but when I've seen you in ADV gear you drop dead quick. Keep running your ADV gear or lower and actually improve your skill, stop using proto gear as a crutch even though you can afford it. That advice goes out to everyone. I have no problem with 'proto-stomping' and I never have, but for the betterment of one's self I do believe running prototype 24/7 is a very bad idea. I don't agree. Yes I die quickly but that happens in proto aswell, we're talking about 1 extra enhanced plate, enough to tip the scale in a Close 1 vs 1 but nothing at all when facing 3+ players. I got several games With 23-1, 25-1 22-2 and the like yesterday. Moatly its still forge guns, snipers and tanks that kill me, proto doean't make any difference in that regard. I see it more as a "crutch" for the general community. The "he used proto" crutch is all over the Place, not thinking of you personally.
Oh don't get me wrong, I get my ass whooped in proto gear a lot. Almost more so than ADV because people see me with Proto and they're eager to take it off. My point really is that just because you CAN run proto, doesn't mean you have to. I've gotten to a point now where with my adv I can take on most proto assaults, and with my ADV heavy I can take on most proto Heavies. It's a good training point I'd recommend it highly.
Also, many people have suggested good ideas along the lines of trying out new areas that require more skill and patience that what you and I do. Knifing, plasma cannons, flaylocks, Laser rifles, Commandos. Something ridiculous. I have a surplus of ISK too, and I mainly use it to support my friends and invest in new toys to play with rather than just my assault weapons :)
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843-BANE
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
815
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Posted - 2014.02.20 13:52:00 -
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Sana Rayya wrote:I run BPO/cheap fits not because I need the ISK (I'm at just over 800 mil right now) but because I find it more thrilling.
And I get a sick pleasure from taking out proto players while using a suit that's cheaper than most proto modules.
So run what you want, even if it's full proto all the time; what matters is having fun and fighting interesting games.
^ Pretty much what I meant. It's way more satisying thrashing a good enemy with cheaper ****, knowing you're whooping their ass and turning a profit while they're gettin' beat and losing ISK!
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Sum1ne Else
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
Top Men.
915
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Posted - 2014.02.20 13:53:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:And yet I get several players in this thread asking for my isk which I don't need.
If you are to poor to run proto then run enhanced and problem solved.
I still don't get it. Why do you guys need the isk? What do you do With it?
Ok, this is how my isk is spent.
I am one of the guys who flies the derpship to lay proto uplinks - derpship 28k, 5 proto links laid down a scan + ADV suit 48k
Then usually 5 proto hives after I die, quick scan - 98k
then ADV gear 55k die 5x
then theres a tank, and WJR normally do a good job with the AV but still 1 or 2 suits at 60k
then back to my ADV gear or Core rep logi 55k-70k
So I probably spend approx 650k, die around 10 times, maybe kill 15 guys, get 2500wp and take 250k isk from the pot. I help my team but completely at my expense. Im not a bad player, not a killer either my KDR is 1.40 I have 40m Isk. I do the ocacasional PC(want to do more!!) and usually in the top 3 for WP in both pubs and PC.
So thats how my isk is spent. If I ran proto it would be the same but more isk spent. I am a poor logi been playing since closed beta who has 30m SP
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Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
1726
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Posted - 2014.02.20 13:54:00 -
[49] - Quote
Philanthropy.
Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives
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Rei Shepard
The Rainbow Effect
Negative-Feedback
1597
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Posted - 2014.02.20 13:57:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:40 995 Isk per suit. So very cheap. I lost 5 suits in a game, and not only didn't I lose 1 M isk that game, I even came out With a net profit.
Slightly annoying to lose 1 vs 1 engagements vs some of the more beefy fattys but otherwise, I couldn't really tell any noteworthy difference except for all my toys (Equipments) were kind of sucky. I've een getting used to the most fanzy equipment isk can buy and, well, comapct nanohives do work but they're not exactly great...
So I Wonder, this goes for all of you not running proto in pub games, and indeed the mass of players getting butthurt of Our general use of it. If I now keep using my 41K fit, making a profit in every game, + keep ringing in PC making even more ISK. What the hell am I supposed to use all this isk for?
For the wast majority of the playerbase, using a cheap fit like this or indeed even cheaper, what do you do With Your isk? Or is it some sort of point to gathering and keeping billions? I don't get it.
And no, I can't "use it for PC" since PC is were I earn my isk and pubgames is were I've so far burnt it away by playing in a stupid manner in a 235K isk logi suit.
What the hell am I supposed to use all my isk for?
Best Idea gets a 10 M "thank you".
Stockpile a Few Billions, make a few Tears in Advanced gear, then when the player market comes around Buy all the Officer Gear, use all that gear in Pubs and get Twice the Tears of Protogear = Priceless. :)
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OMFGZOMBIESRUN
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Posted - 2014.02.20 13:58:00 -
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sebastian the huds
Legions of Infinite Dominion
Zero-Day
0
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Posted - 2014.02.20 13:59:00 -
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I thought we were trying to get him to spend more, not QQ and tell him to stop running proto. If you really want to use that isk up, do what Chicagocubs4ever is doing. Run your best squad and best gear in a factional on the losing side (caldari amd amarr) and tip the scales back in their favor. Pubs are only a small part of this game, don't spend your career there.
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KingBabar
The Rainbow Effect
Negative-Feedback
1913
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Posted - 2014.02.20 14:04:00 -
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sebastian the huds wrote:I thought we were trying to get him to spend more, not QQ and tell him to stop running proto. If you really want to use that isk up, do what Chicagocubs4ever is doing. Run your best squad and best gear in a factional on the losing side (caldari amd amarr) and tip the scales back in their favor. Pubs are only a small part of this game, don't spend your career there.
Yeah I've run plenty of Caldari and Amarr FW, always in proto.
FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
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R 0 N 1 N
248
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Posted - 2014.02.20 14:23:00 -
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Jackof All-Trades wrote:... Factional? Isn't the whole point of it to be a ISK sink?
Either way, here you get to convert your ISK into LPs. You could stockpile some of that whilst you have nothing better to do with the ISK and knowing you can always make more.
I don't run proto because I will be ISK negative so it's not a viable long term solution for me - I will go broke. I run advanced and make a bit of money. Besides these days I'm averaging 1 - 2 KDR so my game has improved. One day I will go out in a proto suit with proto weapons and see if it makes me any better...but not until I can fit proto weapons etc.
Several times I've died to you so fast I know you're aiming at my head means you're probably an above average player if not top-ranked. Your SP will also come into it too, because advanced tier benefits from higher skills too. I have L4 minmatar scout role which makes my advanced suit better than someone with the (requisite for advanced) L3 in that skill. I'm also well into the Shotgun and Scrambler pistol trees, more than is required for advanced versions of those weapons.
Basically: not everybody is gonna make as much ISK as you do running advanced. Some may make more. |
Darken-Soul
BIG BAD W0LVES
930
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Posted - 2014.02.20 14:29:00 -
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Stick it up your ass.
Who wants some?
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
3100
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Posted - 2014.02.20 14:37:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:I said good suggestions.
Why don't you put the money into a fund for new players?
Since you mentioned in earlier posts, you wanted to help train and keep newberries. Nothing helps Newberries as much as a nice wad of cash after finishing training with you.
Kind of like a "Graduation Present".
Hope that helps.
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Guinevere Bravo
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
574
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Posted - 2014.02.20 14:42:00 -
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Ive also been trying this as of late, whilst only bringing the proto out if needs be.
Ive been running the following;
1 SVER Logistics BPO
1 GEK38
1 Complex Damage Mod
1 Enhances Shield extender
1 Stable Uplink
1 ADV Stable Scanner
1 Compact Nanohive
2 Enhanced Plates.
Grand total of about 30k ISK
Now if everyone on the other team is not experianced enough or lack decent squads then ill do great in this suit.
But for some reason when ever i see a half decent squad on the other team, there always in proto gear?
Id say its because **** STB BLAH DE BLAH or there that scared they have to run proto 'Just in case' they might die to the STB scrublet bacon eaters.
So inevitably my proto suit comes out and it escalates and where back to square one.
Pretty much the vicious cycle we live in, only if people didnt get so burt hurt when they die? Or call in 6 tanks.
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ratamaq doc
Edge Regiment
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Posted - 2014.02.20 14:43:00 -
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You are doing it right. Seriously keep doing what you are doing. Proto users who are not good enough to run proto at a profit in public matches are helping the game economy wise. You are contributing to wealth redistribution from PC to Public by loseing your gear in public contracts because the payout on the other side and the ISK you burn off is higher. People like me that have hundreds of millions of ISK yet run sub 30k suits at a profit all the time are the problem.
Come back and ask again when you get good enough to run proto at a profit.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
TRA1LBLAZERS
711
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Posted - 2014.02.20 14:46:00 -
[59] - Quote
run a proto minmitar scout with a plasma cannon and flay lock and RE's and troll some scrub tankers
Ill give you my fit if you want it
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
2063
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Posted - 2014.02.20 15:03:00 -
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Since you are always bemoaning the lack of effort by players in pubs, why not start handing out ISK to those players who actually put forth the effort?
Say you win a one sided battle, there's the squad of people who give up like you mentioned in your other thread, but there's also that one poor sucker who got killed 15 times because he actually kept trying. Send a message congratulating him for his effort, and hey, here's a couple hundred thousand ISK for your trouble. Keep up the good work!
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
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OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
11231
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Posted - 2014.02.20 15:21:00 -
[61] - Quote
I basically only fly 500k ships now, or I dont even turn on the game.
I need every last ISK I can get
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Sergamon Draco
Rautaleijona
Top Men.
302
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Posted - 2014.02.20 15:35:00 -
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You going 1 vs 1,i dont belive that
Fck the kdr,i`m going in
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Alternate Insano
SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD
109
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Posted - 2014.02.20 21:33:00 -
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Babs tell everyone to suck your proto. If people can't figure out that's what this game is SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT than they deserve so much butthurt that they can't sit without a hemorrhoid ring. Or buy LAVs and jump them off towers. That's fun too.
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Level 262 Forum Troll
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CYRAX SERVIUS
Death Firm.
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
980
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Posted - 2014.02.20 22:02:00 -
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Okay, it may take a few tries but, just an idea.
Start an alt, start a new corp. start another alt, get as many players from the academy as you can into your new corp. Train them, teach them all the obvious things that some take soooooo long to learn. Teach them the same thing about ADV gear as you now know, help them get rich, rinse and repeat. More good players, less QQ all the time.
CEO
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Darken-Soul
BIG BAD W0LVES
981
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Posted - 2014.02.20 22:03:00 -
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Darken-Soul wrote:Stick it up your ass.
just to remind you of what you can do with your isk
Who wants some?
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Varjac Theobroma Montenegro
PAND3M0N1UM
Lokun Listamenn
188
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Posted - 2014.02.20 22:13:00 -
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Start a blueberry charity. Pay someone in isk to start a corp and help the NPE. New players can have a chance to feel like making a profit in pubs is less important and just go out and have fun.
I have been trying to organize a flight school for new DS flyers. I wanted to get donations and call DS in for people that want lessons and teach them risk free. Lessons would be available for ADS as well. I want to reach out to a few CEOs in LOKUN alliance and see what kind of funds are available.
And as far as what do I do with my income? My average suit runs around 24k isk. I fly ADS and my favorite ships is 504k isk. So I try to run a decent ground game and keep the garage tip top.
Would I want money to support my flying habit? Not really, I can do fine all on my own. But that isk of yours could be invested in helping our player base grow.
Tldr
Your a billionaire philanthropist playboy, help the new berries.
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Dragon-Empire
754
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Posted - 2014.02.20 22:42:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:I said good suggestions.
...Snip...
And a question? How is it possible for so many players to go "broke"? I see it in local chat and on these forums, "I need isk, I'm soo poor". I mean, you can fit a 35-40 K suit thats almost as good as a 200 + K isk suit and then you should always make a profit, if not every game, at least every day of playing. I don't get it.
Good question. As a scout that loves to do stupid things from time to time (you get a mad rush when you actually pull it off!) I lose suites like crazy and still manage to come our ahead each week. To stack on top of that I even pull out a tank out of boredom and just act reckless! Even though I usually lose my tank every time I call it in I can still come out ahead at the end of the day without ever needing to resort to a free fit. Stack on the fact that I give corp members millions of ISK JUST FOR MAKING ME LAUGH and I am at a complete loss. The only expectable cause for being low on ISK is to be a strict vehicle player in which case you might as well be running proto suits full-time.
Always run ADV gear, never spent real money so no blueprints, and I'm always donating(gave my corp about 50million) yet there are infantry (and even whole corps) that look at me like I am an ISK god or something. Makes no sense.
My attempt to answer your question: Donate to training corps so that they can continue helping the community.
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Dance puppets, DANCE!
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Musta Tornius
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
1069
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Posted - 2014.02.20 22:56:00 -
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Stuff it in your mattress.
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
5310
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Posted - 2014.02.20 23:03:00 -
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Assault Dropships
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
5310
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Posted - 2014.02.20 23:16:00 -
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Lordsmash wrote:What does a person do when they have enough ISK to run prototype stuff every match?
Run prototype stuff every match.
Why? Screw the enemy team, that's why.
Make it easier on the enemy team I'm being paid to try and win against? Where is the logic?
Oh, but new players are quitting because people like KingBabar are running prototype stuff and making their games miserable.
Yeah, and? If CCP didn't want this to happen, then it wouldn't happen.
See where I'm going with this? It's not our job to make games easier for people on the enemy team.
What KingBabar is asking himself is: If they're running cheap suits all the time, surely they've got to have loads of ISK. What can they be spending it on?
Well, to answer this question, let us take a look at another argument: Running prototype suits is not necessary all the time.
No, no it's not, but what else are you going to do with your vast piles of ISK?
Running lesser gear makes you better when you run prototype stuff: An argument which holds some weight.
If you can down better suits whilst wearing standard, then obviously you're doing something better than the other guy.
Blah blah blah, arguments for and against.
I'm not here to start an argument, I admit my thoughts may have wandered away from what I was originally trying to say:
People can run whatever they like, and you can't do anything about it, because this is intended game mechanics.
If you can do it, and keep doing it for months, and CCP knows you can do it because they let you do it, then behaviour like this must empower the player to make them feel like they have a choice to do whatever they like.
That must be a sandbox element that CCP wants.
Locking districts? Glitches? Unintended, as stated by CCP themselves. Don't bring them up. Doing them is not excusable because CCP say they are tryng to fix it. They say it is something they want to fix, but we are going to have to deal with them in the meantime however we can.
If CCP say protostomping is something they want to change somehow, then fine. If they said it was unacceptable, then they would do something.
What am I writing this for, I don't know. Agh, I don't even know why, or how I even came out with this.
Anyway: It's the player's choice, and you've got no right in dictating this choice unless you are said individual or CCP.
It's out of your hands. Accept that.
That's enough from me, I need a cold drink and need to get back to reading.
And back to our usual weather forecast: Cloudy, raining, with a chance of bullets and death and whatnot.
Goodbye.
Holy ****....great post and QFT.
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KingBabar
The Rainbow Effect
Negative-Feedback
1929
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Posted - 2014.02.20 23:39:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:Since you are always bemoaning the lack of effort by players in pubs, why not start handing out ISK to those players who actually put forth the effort?
Say you win a one sided battle, there's the squad of people who give up like you mentioned in your other thread, but there's also that one poor sucker who got killed 15 times because he actually kept trying. Send a message congratulating him for his effort, and hey, here's a couple hundred thousand ISK for your trouble. Keep up the good work!
And we have a winner.
(Check your wallet.)
FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
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Varjac Theobroma Montenegro
PAND3M0N1UM
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Posted - 2014.02.20 23:44:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:Since you are always bemoaning the lack of effort by players in pubs, why not start handing out ISK to those players who actually put forth the effort?
Say you win a one sided battle, there's the squad of people who give up like you mentioned in your other thread, but there's also that one poor sucker who got killed 15 times because he actually kept trying. Send a message congratulating him for his effort, and hey, here's a couple hundred thousand ISK for your trouble. Keep up the good work! And we have a winner. (Check your wallet.)
So John is a bad player? Did you kill him a lot king? I approve of giving unfortunate players some isk, but shouldn't you do that king? Or will John give the isk to poor noobs?
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KingBabar
The Rainbow Effect
Negative-Feedback
1929
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Posted - 2014.02.20 23:59:00 -
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Varjac Theobroma Montenegro wrote:KingBabar wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:Since you are always bemoaning the lack of effort by players in pubs, why not start handing out ISK to those players who actually put forth the effort?
Say you win a one sided battle, there's the squad of people who give up like you mentioned in your other thread, but there's also that one poor sucker who got killed 15 times because he actually kept trying. Send a message congratulating him for his effort, and hey, here's a couple hundred thousand ISK for your trouble. Keep up the good work! And we have a winner. (Check your wallet.) So John is a bad player? Did you kill him a lot king? I approve of giving unfortunate players some isk, but shouldn't you do that king? Or will John give the isk to poor noobs?
I said I'd give 10 M to the best suggestion, so I sent him 10 m, simple.
FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
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Ares 514
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
526
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Posted - 2014.02.21 01:41:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:Varjac Theobroma Montenegro wrote:KingBabar wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:Since you are always bemoaning the lack of effort by players in pubs, why not start handing out ISK to those players who actually put forth the effort?
Say you win a one sided battle, there's the squad of people who give up like you mentioned in your other thread, but there's also that one poor sucker who got killed 15 times because he actually kept trying. Send a message congratulating him for his effort, and hey, here's a couple hundred thousand ISK for your trouble. Keep up the good work! And we have a winner. (Check your wallet.) So John is a bad player? Did you kill him a lot king? I approve of giving unfortunate players some isk, but shouldn't you do that king? Or will John give the isk to poor noobs? I said I'd give 10 M to the best suggestion, so I sent him 10 m, simple.
I agree on the choice, encouraging players to keep fighting is a great use of your ISK. I would also like to say thank you to all the players who run their expensive gear, one reason our rewards are so crap these days is because so many are in cheap as **** suits due to the TTK issues.
The mic bubble bug... I yield, CCP will be fixing it SOON. Current ETA 1 year since bug
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Aramis Madrigal
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
145
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Posted - 2014.02.21 02:04:00 -
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At least one and possibly several dancing scout minstrels to follow you around. See how long you can slay and keep them alive.
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Dauth Jenkins
Ultramarine Corp
66
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Posted - 2014.02.21 02:17:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:I said good suggestions.
Why would I like to play EVE? If I have trouble sleeping I will put on some old black and white documentary. I've been in EVE With a friends account and everything was so slow and borng, even the fights were slow and boring. I tried to ask him, "Who the best pilote in his corp was", and he said that this dude had the best ship. Yes thats fine but who's the best pilote? Who has the best aim and Control of his ship? Then he said that this dude had a sort of tracking thingy on his ship and I startd to realise that EVE isn't affected by player skill at all. Yes the co-ordination of a large fleet, ship fitting and such but when it comes Down to an actual engagement the numbers rule. In Dust you can easily take out a proto suit With a starter fit if you get the drop and knows how to aim, I've died countless times due to a militia ARs in the back. In EVE, a starter ship vs a bigger ship of an experienced player is a sure loss. You can't use Your player skill to outmanouver or outgunn a superior ship so the entire game IMO loses its fun factor.
And I'm not gonna swith from being a Assault/support player to be a vehicle player just to burn through my isk, if I actually wanted to fly I would.
And using stupid fittings like plasma cannon on a protosuit so that I will die more and become useles to my team is not gonna happen. I play to win the games I play and the difference between a 40 K isk ebhanced suit and a 240 K isk proto suit is negligeable at best.
And no, I'm not gonna keep saving isk on the off chance that this game might get good in the future. As I see it, I have enough isk to run full protosuits for the rest of my Dust career.
So, am I to conclude that protostomping is the only viable way to lose isk in this game?
And a question? How is it possible for so many players to go "broke"? I see it in local chat and on these forums, "I need isk, I'm soo poor". I mean, you can fit a 35-40 K suit thats almost as good as a 200 + K isk suit and then you should always make a profit, if not every game, at least every day of playing. I don't get it.
Just 1 question, how much isk do you make per match? Because I rarely make more than 200k, so after 4 deaths, I lose money running my amarr logi
Sees prototompers...
Sees blueberries start to snipe...
Pulls out commando suit with laser rifle and swarm launcher...
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Fire of Prometheus
Alpha Response Command
3736
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Posted - 2014.02.21 02:20:00 -
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run proto plasma cannon proto commandos with proto novaknives in a proto modded incubus/python and just float infront of rail tanks and watch them blow you up.
ive done this before....fastest way to lose 1 mil isk in a pub
Scout- "I'm going to knife you my commando!!!"
commando turns around
Commando- "FAAAAALCCCOOONNNNN PUUUUNNNCCCCHH!!"
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Varjac Theobroma Montenegro
PAND3M0N1UM
Lokun Listamenn
195
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Posted - 2014.02.21 02:20:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:Varjac Theobroma Montenegro wrote:KingBabar wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:Since you are always bemoaning the lack of effort by players in pubs, why not start handing out ISK to those players who actually put forth the effort?
Say you win a one sided battle, there's the squad of people who give up like you mentioned in your other thread, but there's also that one poor sucker who got killed 15 times because he actually kept trying. Send a message congratulating him for his effort, and hey, here's a couple hundred thousand ISK for your trouble. Keep up the good work! And we have a winner. (Check your wallet.) So John is a bad player? Did you kill him a lot king? I approve of giving unfortunate players some isk, but shouldn't you do that king? Or will John give the isk to poor noobs? I said I'd give 10 M to the best suggestion, so I sent him 10 m, simple.
Yea, seems kinda moot though. It's like giving the guy who can solve world hunger a life time supply of food, just for himself, then doing nothing else...
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safura trotsky
Kill Mode Activated
Galactic Skyfleet Empire
12
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Posted - 2014.02.21 02:39:00 -
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Venerable Phage wrote:Play an assault dropship when you see a swarm of enemy tanks.
Rasatsu wrote:What makes you think you won't be needing that ISK later?
<- runs around in a 10k fit all day long
these^
Thanks for picking me up blueberry!...and again...and again...STAHP!!!
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
2071
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Posted - 2014.02.21 06:33:00 -
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Varjac Theobroma Montenegro wrote:KingBabar wrote:Varjac Theobroma Montenegro wrote:KingBabar wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:Since you are always bemoaning the lack of effort by players in pubs, why not start handing out ISK to those players who actually put forth the effort?
Say you win a one sided battle, there's the squad of people who give up like you mentioned in your other thread, but there's also that one poor sucker who got killed 15 times because he actually kept trying. Send a message congratulating him for his effort, and hey, here's a couple hundred thousand ISK for your trouble. Keep up the good work! And we have a winner. (Check your wallet.) So John is a bad player? Did you kill him a lot king? I approve of giving unfortunate players some isk, but shouldn't you do that king? Or will John give the isk to poor noobs? I said I'd give 10 M to the best suggestion, so I sent him 10 m, simple. Yea, seems kinda moot though. It's like giving the guy who can solve world hunger a life time supply of food, just for himself, then doing nothing else...
Lol. I'm not a leet player by any stretch, but hopefully I'm not actually bad. If one assumes that King uses my suggestion, then he's not "doing nothing else".
It may give you some comfort to know that one thing I will not be using the money on is protostomping, I've used a grand total of 1 proto suit in a pub in my Dust career. I also frequently give newer players in my corp ISK if they need it, I've probably donated close to 20-30 million. I'm guessing my wallet stands around 40 mil now after King's award but I'm at work.
Anyway, thank you King, glad you found my suggestion helpful and I hope that you put it into action and it actually helps keep people in the game. Let's face it, the NPE is important to all of us.
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
Forum Warrior lv.2
Amarr victor!
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Tectonic Fusion
1079
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Posted - 2014.02.21 06:43:00 -
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Chuckles Brown wrote:You can run basic BPO suits and crank out even more profit.
If you have them try these.
"Templar" Assault A-I
"Templar" Scrambler Rifle
"Templar" Scrampler Pistol
1 Enhanced Shield Extender
1 Basic Shield Extender (you perhaps could fit 2 Complex, but my Core Skills aren't maxed yet)
1 Enhanced Armor Plate
Flux Grenade
Stable Allotek Drop Uplink
Watch the WP and ISK roll in...
Next
"Staff Recruiter" MLT (Any Caldari MLT BPO, Raven, Covenant, Dragonfly, etc...)
"Exile" Assault Rifle
"Templar" Scrambler Pistol
1 Enhanced Shield Extender
1 Basic Shield Extender
1 Basic Armor Plate
Flux Grenade
Remote Explosives
Both of these suits are DIRT CHEAP but still very effective. I suppose they are only for veteran players who have the SP to use them which ironically; most vets aren't hurting for ISK...
Always use at least 2 complex shields on a Caldari suit...
Solo Player
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
2071
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Posted - 2014.02.21 06:45:00 -
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Lordsmash wrote:What does a person do when they have enough ISK to run prototype stuff every match?
Run prototype stuff every match.
Why? Screw the enemy team, that's why.
Make it easier on the enemy team I'm being paid to try and win against? Where is the logic?
Oh, but new players are quitting because people like KingBabar are running prototype stuff and making their games miserable.
Yeah, and? If CCP didn't want this to happen, then it wouldn't happen.
See where I'm going with this? It's not our job to make games easier for people on the enemy team.
What KingBabar is asking himself is: If they're running cheap suits all the time, surely they've got to have loads of ISK. What can they be spending it on?
Well, to answer this question, let us take a look at another argument: Running prototype suits is not necessary all the time.
No, no it's not, but what else are you going to do with your vast piles of ISK?
Running lesser gear makes you better when you run prototype stuff: An argument which holds some weight.
If you can down better suits whilst wearing standard, then obviously you're doing something better than the other guy.
Blah blah blah, arguments for and against.
I'm not here to start an argument, I admit my thoughts may have wandered away from what I was originally trying to say:
People can run whatever they like, and you can't do anything about it, because this is intended game mechanics.
If you can do it, and keep doing it for months, and CCP knows you can do it because they let you do it, then behaviour like this must empower the player to make them feel like they have a choice to do whatever they like.
That must be a sandbox element that CCP wants.
Locking districts? Glitches? Unintended, as stated by CCP themselves. Don't bring them up. Doing them is not excusable because CCP say they are tryng to fix it. They say it is something they want to fix, but we are going to have to deal with them in the meantime however we can.
If CCP say protostomping is something they want to change somehow, then fine. If they said it was unacceptable, then they would do something.
What am I writing this for, I don't know. Agh, I don't even know why, or how I even came out with this.
Anyway: It's the player's choice, and you've got no right in dictating this choice unless you are said individual or CCP.
It's out of your hands. Accept that.
That's enough from me, I need a cold drink and need to get back to reading.
And back to our usual weather forecast: Cloudy, raining, with a chance of bullets and death and whatnot.
Goodbye.
To an extent what you say is true, but my personal opinion (which is just that, an opinion) is that while protostomping is much less of a problem than the lolmatchmaking, it doesn't mean you have to or should do it. Taking your sandbox argument, I would say that I use the sandbox to enhance the NPE because it's crucial to the survival of the game. As such I don't run proto in pubs.
Others disagree, and that's their prerogative, but perhaps they could consider only using proto when there's good players on the other team. Just food for thought.
(If there was some way King's ISK could be used to fund matchmaking, that would have been my suggestion; sadly I don't think it's feasible.)
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
Forum Warrior lv.2
Amarr victor!
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Varjac Theobroma Montenegro
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Posted - 2014.02.21 07:23:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:
Lol. I'm not a leet player by any stretch, but hopefully I'm not actually bad. If one assumes that King uses my suggestion, then he's not "doing nothing else".
It may give you some comfort to know that one thing I will not be using the money on is protostomping, I've used a grand total of 1 proto suit in a pub in my Dust career. I also frequently give newer players in my corp ISK if they need it, I've probably donated close to 20-30 million. I'm guessing my wallet stands around 40 mil now after King's award but I'm at work.
Anyway, thank you King, glad you found my suggestion helpful and I hope that you put it into action and it actually helps keep people in the game. Let's face it, the NPE is important to all of us.
Here's looking to you kid... I am glad we have players like you Demon. And yes, I hope that wealthy players help out the NPE.
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jordy mack
Ultramarine Corp
185
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Posted - 2014.02.21 07:23:00 -
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The way I see it u can use ur isk in one of two ways.
1. Make it fun by offering challenges/bounties for ur team, and rewarding ppl that listen to your advice on the field. Generally encourage and help out the little guys.
2. Be a knob, keep protostomping in locked squads with no communication with the rest of the team, leaving no chance for the noobs on either side to even meet let alone shoot each other.
Less QQ more PewPew
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Magnus Amadeuss
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
463
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Posted - 2014.02.21 07:42:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:40 995 Isk per suit. So very cheap. I lost 5 suits in a game, and not only didn't I lose 1 M isk that game, I even came out With a net profit.
Slightly annoying to lose 1 vs 1 engagements vs some of the more beefy fattys but otherwise, I couldn't really tell any noteworthy difference except for all my toys (Equipments) were kind of sucky. I've een getting used to the most fanzy equipment isk can buy and, well, comapct nanohives do work but they're not exactly great...
So I Wonder, this goes for all of you not running proto in pub games, and indeed the mass of players getting butthurt of Our general use of it. If I now keep using my 41K fit, making a profit in every game, + keep ringing in PC making even more ISK. What the hell am I supposed to use all this isk for?
For the wast majority of the playerbase, using a cheap fit like this or indeed even cheaper, what do you do With Your isk? Or is it some sort of point to gathering and keeping billions? I don't get it.
And no, I can't "use it for PC" since PC is were I earn my isk and pubgames is were I've so far burnt it away by playing in a stupid manner in a 235K isk logi suit.
What the hell am I supposed to use all my isk for?
Best Idea gets a 10 M "thank you".
Using up isk? I have four words for you:
Solo Amarrian Faction Warfare
there ya go.
*amarrian and caldarian are interchangable in this instance.
While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
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