DUST Search - A day in enhanced gear.,, what to do with surplus is?

KingBabar wrote:

843-BANE wrote:

I run advanced to better my gun play and tactics. A LOT of players use prototype gear as a crutch. You stick them in advanced gear and they get ****** in the ass by just about every red dot out there. People who wear proto ALL the time are probably wearing it all the time because they have to, not because they can afford it. They do it to keep their K/D shiny and fear their reputation would be sullied otherwise. Take Kalante Schiffer, now I KNOW he is probably reeling in ISK 24/7, however I only ever see him in proto gear in Pc, he still wrecks people in his ADV gear in pub matches. I try and be the same these days, and only pull proto in pubs when I really think it is necessary.

King I see you in your full proto most of the time I won't lie, and don't get me wrong I have the utmost respect for you, your corporation and your gun-play but when I've seen you in ADV gear you drop dead quick. Keep running your ADV gear or lower and actually improve your skill, stop using proto gear as a crutch even though you can afford it. That advice goes out to everyone. I have no problem with 'proto-stomping' and I never have, but for the betterment of one's self I do believe running prototype 24/7 is a very bad idea.

I don't agree. Yes I die quickly but that happens in proto aswell, we're talking about 1 extra enhanced plate, enough to tip the scale in a Close 1 vs 1 but nothing at all when facing 3+ players. I got several games With 23-1, 25-1 22-2 and the like yesterday. Moatly its still forge guns, snipers and tanks that kill me, proto doean't make any difference in that regard.

I see it more as a "crutch" for the general community. The "he used proto" crutch is all over the Place, not thinking of you personally.

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KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 1910	Posted - 2014.02.20 11:55:00 - [31] - Quote And spend Close to 5 M skillpoints to make an effective character for it? I dunno. FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
richiesutie 2 The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 795	Posted - 2014.02.20 12:05:00 - [32] - Quote KingBabar wrote: And yet I get several players in this thread asking for my isk which I don't need. If you are to poor to run proto then run enhanced and problem solved. I still don't get it. Why do you guys need the isk? What do you do With it? They buy assault dropships, which the can't fly, then crash them into the mcc and rage about "foooooking RDVS" compilation of Patch/build notes Check it out! :)
Jackof All-Trades The Black Renaissance 488	Posted - 2014.02.20 12:45:00 - [33] - Quote ... Factional? Isn't the whole point of it to be a ISK sink? "Pulvis et umbra sums." We are but dust and shadow GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace \ Omni-Specialist / Focus: Gallente
Protocake JR Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 1391	Posted - 2014.02.20 12:48:00 - [34] - Quote Easy. You send the surplus to Protocake JR because Protocake JR became broke as **** after I quit PC. 10m pls The PC and SL should fit into the Sidearm slot so it's accessible and practical to carry one. AV spam vs V spam
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1576	Posted - 2014.02.20 12:49:00 - [35] - Quote 41k suits ... 5 deaths... =/= 1mill... Just sayin The answer is "ForgeGun"... doesnt matter what the question is...
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2643	Posted - 2014.02.20 12:51:00 - [36] - Quote Nice excuse to keep on proto stomping in pubs Intelligence is OP
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 327	Posted - 2014.02.20 13:09:00 - [37] - Quote You've already disregarded saving ISK for possible ISK sinks in the future; that's one of the reasons I don't run proto all the time. CCP has to fix the ISK problems that PC created; so, my guess is they'll make a mode (maybe PvE) that eats ISK up. In my opinion, you're trying to justify (not like you have to) proto stomping in pubs when that's the only way to burn your ISK. The sad truth is that not everyone can enjoy that ISK generated by PC; so, they attempt to run proto--in order to counter your proto--but they simply don't have the funds to support it. You ask those of us that save the ISK why we feel it's necessary to save imaginary money, which is a valid question. But I'll ask you why you feel the need to spend imaginary money when what you're spending it on--your ISK sink--has negative implications to the game and new players? Running proto in pubs isn't fun to me; I would rather run Dragonfly with two toxin SMGs and die 10 to 20 times because all I want is real competition and good games. My 2 ISK. Happy Gaming!!!
Lanius Pulvis Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 152	Posted - 2014.02.20 13:11:00 - [38] - Quote KingBabar wrote: And yet I get several players in this thread asking for my isk which I don't need. If you are to poor to run proto then run enhanced and problem solved. I still don't get it. Why do you guys need the isk? What do you do With it? If it were just a matter of ISK, I'd run proto occasionally. But some of us simply don't have access to proto. You seem to forget how much harder it is to be competitive when you're still making hard choices like, "do I go for lvl 3 electronics, or my Adv suit". But as to your original question, as someone else said, FW. If you want a good fight, go Caldari, if you just want to Troll, go wherever you want. It's like PC without as much Proto, and crap payouts. Not new, just new to you.
843-BANE BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 812	Posted - 2014.02.20 13:17:00 - [39] - Quote I run advanced to better my gun play and tactics. A LOT of players use prototype gear as a crutch. You stick them in advanced gear and they get ****** in the ass by just about every red dot out there. People who wear proto ALL the time are probably wearing it all the time because they have to, not because they can afford it. They do it to keep their K/D shiny and fear their reputation would be sullied otherwise. Take Kalante Schiffer, now I KNOW he is probably reeling in ISK 24/7, however I only ever see him in proto gear in Pc, he still wrecks people in his ADV gear in pub matches. I try and be the same these days, and only pull proto in pubs when I really think it is necessary. King I see you in your full proto most of the time I won't lie, and don't get me wrong I have the utmost respect for you, your corporation and your gun-play but when I've seen you in ADV gear you drop dead quick. Keep running your ADV gear or lower and actually improve your skill, stop using proto gear as a crutch even though you can afford it. That advice goes out to everyone. I have no problem with 'proto-stomping' and I never have, but for the betterment of one's self I do believe running prototype 24/7 is a very bad idea. Director // Major // BurgezzE.T.F Challenge me to Thunderdome.
Big Popa Smurff The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 943	Posted - 2014.02.20 13:22:00 - [40] - Quote any isk left over id buy tanks an keep em til they inevitably go up in price and the player market comes out and sell em for big profit. Original AFK Hunter

Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution 753	Posted - 2014.02.20 13:31:00 - [41] - Quote KingBabar wrote: 40 995 Isk per suit. So very cheap. I lost 5 suits in a game, and not only didn't I lose 1 M isk that game, I even came out With a net profit. Slightly annoying to lose 1 vs 1 engagements vs some of the more beefy fattys but otherwise, I couldn't really tell any noteworthy difference except for all my toys (Equipments) were kind of sucky. I've een getting used to the most fanzy equipment isk can buy and, well, comapct nanohives do work but they're not exactly great... So I Wonder, this goes for all of you not running proto in pub games, and indeed the mass of players getting butthurt of Our general use of it. If I now keep using my 41K fit, making a profit in every game, + keep ringing in PC making even more ISK. What the hell am I supposed to use all this isk for? For the wast majority of the playerbase, using a cheap fit like this or indeed even cheaper, what do you do With Your isk? Or is it some sort of point to gathering and keeping billions? I don't get it. And no, I can't "use it for PC" since PC is were I earn my isk and pubgames is were I've so far burnt it away by playing in a stupid manner in a 235K isk logi suit. What the hell am I supposed to use all my isk for? Best Idea gets a 10 M "thank you". Yep, this is the basic problem with the QQ about protostomping. THERE IS NOTHING ELSE TO SPEND ISK ON. Plus, I actually have an unusual metaphysical view about what a merc is that is relevant here. Most people think their merc is 'immortal'. This is a Genolution motivational slogan, not a serious philosophical position. If I made a million identical copies of YOU (the actual player reading this), that wouldn't stop you from caring about what happened to YOU, the original version. If you get shot in the face, you're dead. Some other dudes (who happen to be identical copies) would survive, but that's scant consolation if you yourself have shuffled off this mortal coil. Similarly, if clone 1 is shot in the face, the fact that clone 2, clone 3, etc are still going does not change the fact that clone 1 is now dead. How is this relevant to protostomping? Well, I don't think I'm immortal in battle. I care when I lose a clone, because that means I (the avatar occupied by me, the player) has died. That life will never come back. And I'll be damned if I'm going to increase my risk of death for the sake of mere ISK.
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2698	Posted - 2014.02.20 13:42:00 - [42] - Quote Any of my excess ISK goes to experimenting with dumb stuff and Hard Mode fits. Dual Pistol Scout PLC Heavy Biotics Tanked Heavy Assault Shotty I can only imagine the dumb **** I would run sideways if I had even more to burn. Probably get my homies together and run Melee Commando Knockout squads for the laughs. This, assuming KDR supremacy really isn't your goal. I GÖú Kittens.
Lordsmash Dead Man's Game 6	Posted - 2014.02.20 13:46:00 - [43] - Quote What does a person do when they have enough ISK to run prototype stuff every match? Run prototype stuff every match. Why? Screw the enemy team, that's why. Make it easier on the enemy team I'm being paid to try and win against? Where is the logic? Oh, but new players are quitting because people like KingBabar are running prototype stuff and making their games miserable. Yeah, and? If CCP didn't want this to happen, then it wouldn't happen. See where I'm going with this? It's not our job to make games easier for people on the enemy team. What KingBabar is asking himself is: If they're running cheap suits all the time, surely they've got to have loads of ISK. What can they be spending it on? Well, to answer this question, let us take a look at another argument: Running prototype suits is not necessary all the time. No, no it's not, but what else are you going to do with your vast piles of ISK? Running lesser gear makes you better when you run prototype stuff: An argument which holds some weight. If you can down better suits whilst wearing standard, then obviously you're doing something better than the other guy. Blah blah blah, arguments for and against. I'm not here to start an argument, I admit my thoughts may have wandered away from what I was originally trying to say: People can run whatever they like, and you can't do anything about it, because this is intended game mechanics. If you can do it, and keep doing it for months, and CCP knows you can do it because they let you do it, then behaviour like this must empower the player to make them feel like they have a choice to do whatever they like. That must be a sandbox element that CCP wants. Locking districts? Glitches? Unintended, as stated by CCP themselves. Don't bring them up. Doing them is excusable because CCP can't stop it, but are trying to fix it. If CCP say protostomping is something they want to change somehow, then fine. If they said it was unacceptable, then they would do something. What am I writing this for, I don't know. Agh, I don't even know why, or how I even came out with this. Anyway: It's the player's choice, and you've got no right in dictating this choice unless you are said individual or CCP. It's out of your hands. Accept that. That's enough from me, I need a cold drink and need to get back to reading. And back to our usual weather forecast: Cloudy, raining, with a chance of bullets and death and whatnot. Goodbye.
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 1912	Posted - 2014.02.20 13:46:00 - [44] - Quote 843-BANE wrote: I run advanced to better my gun play and tactics. A LOT of players use prototype gear as a crutch. You stick them in advanced gear and they get ****** in the ass by just about every red dot out there. People who wear proto ALL the time are probably wearing it all the time because they have to, not because they can afford it. They do it to keep their K/D shiny and fear their reputation would be sullied otherwise. Take Kalante Schiffer, now I KNOW he is probably reeling in ISK 24/7, however I only ever see him in proto gear in Pc, he still wrecks people in his ADV gear in pub matches. I try and be the same these days, and only pull proto in pubs when I really think it is necessary. King I see you in your full proto most of the time I won't lie, and don't get me wrong I have the utmost respect for you, your corporation and your gun-play but when I've seen you in ADV gear you drop dead quick. Keep running your ADV gear or lower and actually improve your skill, stop using proto gear as a crutch even though you can afford it. That advice goes out to everyone. I have no problem with 'proto-stomping' and I never have, but for the betterment of one's self I do believe running prototype 24/7 is a very bad idea. I don't agree. Yes I die quickly but that happens in proto aswell, we're talking about 1 extra enhanced plate, enough to tip the scale in a Close 1 vs 1 but nothing at all when facing 3+ players. I got several games With 23-1, 25-1 22-2 and the like yesterday. Moatly its still forge guns, snipers and tanks that kill me, proto doean't make any difference in that regard. I see it more as a "crutch" for the general community. The "he used proto" crutch is all over the Place, not thinking of you personally. FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 846	Posted - 2014.02.20 13:48:00 - [45] - Quote I run BPO/cheap fits not because I need the ISK (I'm at just over 800 mil right now) but because I find it more thrilling. And I get a sick pleasure from taking out proto players while using a suit that's cheaper than most proto modules. So run what you want, even if it's full proto all the time; what matters is having fun and fighting interesting games.
843-BANE BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 815	Posted - 2014.02.20 13:50:00 - [46] - Quote KingBabar wrote: 843-BANE wrote: I run advanced to better my gun play and tactics. A LOT of players use prototype gear as a crutch. You stick them in advanced gear and they get ****** in the ass by just about every red dot out there. People who wear proto ALL the time are probably wearing it all the time because they have to, not because they can afford it. They do it to keep their K/D shiny and fear their reputation would be sullied otherwise. Take Kalante Schiffer, now I KNOW he is probably reeling in ISK 24/7, however I only ever see him in proto gear in Pc, he still wrecks people in his ADV gear in pub matches. I try and be the same these days, and only pull proto in pubs when I really think it is necessary. King I see you in your full proto most of the time I won't lie, and don't get me wrong I have the utmost respect for you, your corporation and your gun-play but when I've seen you in ADV gear you drop dead quick. Keep running your ADV gear or lower and actually improve your skill, stop using proto gear as a crutch even though you can afford it. That advice goes out to everyone. I have no problem with 'proto-stomping' and I never have, but for the betterment of one's self I do believe running prototype 24/7 is a very bad idea. I don't agree. Yes I die quickly but that happens in proto aswell, we're talking about 1 extra enhanced plate, enough to tip the scale in a Close 1 vs 1 but nothing at all when facing 3+ players. I got several games With 23-1, 25-1 22-2 and the like yesterday. Moatly its still forge guns, snipers and tanks that kill me, proto doean't make any difference in that regard. I see it more as a "crutch" for the general community. The "he used proto" crutch is all over the Place, not thinking of you personally. Oh don't get me wrong, I get my ass whooped in proto gear a lot. Almost more so than ADV because people see me with Proto and they're eager to take it off. My point really is that just because you CAN run proto, doesn't mean you have to. I've gotten to a point now where with my adv I can take on most proto assaults, and with my ADV heavy I can take on most proto Heavies. It's a good training point I'd recommend it highly. Also, many people have suggested good ideas along the lines of trying out new areas that require more skill and patience that what you and I do. Knifing, plasma cannons, flaylocks, Laser rifles, Commandos. Something ridiculous. I have a surplus of ISK too, and I mainly use it to support my friends and invest in new toys to play with rather than just my assault weapons :) Director // Major // BurgezzE.T.F Challenge me to Thunderdome.
843-BANE BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 815	Posted - 2014.02.20 13:52:00 - [47] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: I run BPO/cheap fits not because I need the ISK (I'm at just over 800 mil right now) but because I find it more thrilling. And I get a sick pleasure from taking out proto players while using a suit that's cheaper than most proto modules. So run what you want, even if it's full proto all the time; what matters is having fun and fighting interesting games. ^ Pretty much what I meant. It's way more satisying thrashing a good enemy with cheaper ****, knowing you're whooping their ass and turning a profit while they're gettin' beat and losing ISK! Director // Major // BurgezzE.T.F Challenge me to Thunderdome.
Sum1ne Else WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 915	Posted - 2014.02.20 13:53:00 - [48] - Quote KingBabar wrote: And yet I get several players in this thread asking for my isk which I don't need. If you are to poor to run proto then run enhanced and problem solved. I still don't get it. Why do you guys need the isk? What do you do With it? Ok, this is how my isk is spent. I am one of the guys who flies the derpship to lay proto uplinks - derpship 28k, 5 proto links laid down a scan + ADV suit 48k Then usually 5 proto hives after I die, quick scan - 98k then ADV gear 55k die 5x then theres a tank, and WJR normally do a good job with the AV but still 1 or 2 suits at 60k then back to my ADV gear or Core rep logi 55k-70k So I probably spend approx 650k, die around 10 times, maybe kill 15 guys, get 2500wp and take 250k isk from the pot. I help my team but completely at my expense. Im not a bad player, not a killer either my KDR is 1.40 I have 40m Isk. I do the ocacasional PC(want to do more!!) and usually in the top 3 for WP in both pubs and PC. So thats how my isk is spent. If I ran proto it would be the same but more isk spent. I am a poor logi been playing since closed beta who has 30m SP Public Relations WJR Its a leopleuradon Charlie a magical leoplueradon, its gunna guide our way to candy mountain!
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1726	Posted - 2014.02.20 13:54:00 - [49] - Quote Philanthropy. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 1597	Posted - 2014.02.20 13:57:00 - [50] - Quote KingBabar wrote: 40 995 Isk per suit. So very cheap. I lost 5 suits in a game, and not only didn't I lose 1 M isk that game, I even came out With a net profit. Slightly annoying to lose 1 vs 1 engagements vs some of the more beefy fattys but otherwise, I couldn't really tell any noteworthy difference except for all my toys (Equipments) were kind of sucky. I've een getting used to the most fanzy equipment isk can buy and, well, comapct nanohives do work but they're not exactly great... So I Wonder, this goes for all of you not running proto in pub games, and indeed the mass of players getting butthurt of Our general use of it. If I now keep using my 41K fit, making a profit in every game, + keep ringing in PC making even more ISK. What the hell am I supposed to use all this isk for? For the wast majority of the playerbase, using a cheap fit like this or indeed even cheaper, what do you do With Your isk? Or is it some sort of point to gathering and keeping billions? I don't get it. And no, I can't "use it for PC" since PC is were I earn my isk and pubgames is were I've so far burnt it away by playing in a stupid manner in a 235K isk logi suit. What the hell am I supposed to use all my isk for? Best Idea gets a 10 M "thank you". Stockpile a Few Billions, make a few Tears in Advanced gear, then when the player market comes around Buy all the Officer Gear, use all that gear in Pubs and get Twice the Tears of Protogear = Priceless. :) Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"

Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 212	Posted - 2014.02.20 13:58:00 - [51] - Quote Maybe you can pay some people to join your corporation?
sebastian the huds Legions of Infinite Dominion Zero-Day 0	Posted - 2014.02.20 13:59:00 - [52] - Quote I thought we were trying to get him to spend more, not QQ and tell him to stop running proto. If you really want to use that isk up, do what Chicagocubs4ever is doing. Run your best squad and best gear in a factional on the losing side (caldari amd amarr) and tip the scales back in their favor. Pubs are only a small part of this game, don't spend your career there. Usually outnumbered 7:1 and still kicking
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 1913	Posted - 2014.02.20 14:04:00 - [53] - Quote sebastian the huds wrote: I thought we were trying to get him to spend more, not QQ and tell him to stop running proto. If you really want to use that isk up, do what Chicagocubs4ever is doing. Run your best squad and best gear in a factional on the losing side (caldari amd amarr) and tip the scales back in their favor. Pubs are only a small part of this game, don't spend your career there. Yeah I've run plenty of Caldari and Amarr FW, always in proto. FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 248	Posted - 2014.02.20 14:23:00 - [54] - Quote Jackof All-Trades wrote: ... Factional? Isn't the whole point of it to be a ISK sink? Either way, here you get to convert your ISK into LPs. You could stockpile some of that whilst you have nothing better to do with the ISK and knowing you can always make more. I don't run proto because I will be ISK negative so it's not a viable long term solution for me - I will go broke. I run advanced and make a bit of money. Besides these days I'm averaging 1 - 2 KDR so my game has improved. One day I will go out in a proto suit with proto weapons and see if it makes me any better...but not until I can fit proto weapons etc. Several times I've died to you so fast I know you're aiming at my head means you're probably an above average player if not top-ranked. Your SP will also come into it too, because advanced tier benefits from higher skills too. I have L4 minmatar scout role which makes my advanced suit better than someone with the (requisite for advanced) L3 in that skill. I'm also well into the Shotgun and Scrambler pistol trees, more than is required for advanced versions of those weapons. Basically: not everybody is gonna make as much ISK as you do running advanced. Some may make more.
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 930	Posted - 2014.02.20 14:29:00 - [55] - Quote Stick it up your ass. Who wants some?
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3100	Posted - 2014.02.20 14:37:00 - [56] - Quote KingBabar wrote: I said good suggestions. Why don't you put the money into a fund for new players? Since you mentioned in earlier posts, you wanted to help train and keep newberries. Nothing helps Newberries as much as a nice wad of cash after finishing training with you. Kind of like a "Graduation Present". Hope that helps. Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
Guinevere Bravo SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 574	Posted - 2014.02.20 14:42:00 - [57] - Quote Ive also been trying this as of late, whilst only bringing the proto out if needs be. Ive been running the following; 1 SVER Logistics BPO 1 GEK38 1 Complex Damage Mod 1 Enhances Shield extender 1 Stable Uplink 1 ADV Stable Scanner 1 Compact Nanohive 2 Enhanced Plates. Grand total of about 30k ISK Now if everyone on the other team is not experianced enough or lack decent squads then ill do great in this suit. But for some reason when ever i see a half decent squad on the other team, there always in proto gear? Id say its because **** STB BLAH DE BLAH or there that scared they have to run proto 'Just in case' they might die to the STB scrublet bacon eaters. So inevitably my proto suit comes out and it escalates and where back to square one. Pretty much the vicious cycle we live in, only if people didnt get so burt hurt when they die? Or call in 6 tanks. STB EU Director since October 2012. STB EVE Pilot ; Vervz
ratamaq doc Edge Regiment 409	Posted - 2014.02.20 14:43:00 - [58] - Quote You are doing it right. Seriously keep doing what you are doing. Proto users who are not good enough to run proto at a profit in public matches are helping the game economy wise. You are contributing to wealth redistribution from PC to Public by loseing your gear in public contracts because the payout on the other side and the ISK you burn off is higher. People like me that have hundreds of millions of ISK yet run sub 30k suits at a profit all the time are the problem. Come back and ask again when you get good enough to run proto at a profit. YouTube 30D Recruiting
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 711	Posted - 2014.02.20 14:46:00 - [59] - Quote run a proto minmitar scout with a plasma cannon and flay lock and RE's and troll some scrub tankers Ill give you my fit if you want it Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2063	Posted - 2014.02.20 15:03:00 - [60] - Quote Since you are always bemoaning the lack of effort by players in pubs, why not start handing out ISK to those players who actually put forth the effort? Say you win a one sided battle, there's the squad of people who give up like you mentioned in your other thread, but there's also that one poor sucker who got killed 15 times because he actually kept trying. Send a message congratulating him for his effort, and hey, here's a couple hundred thousand ISK for your trouble. Keep up the good work! "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!



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