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Sgt Buttscratch
Edimmu Warfighters
1704
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Posted - 2014.02.18 18:46:00 -
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Yan Darn wrote:Llast 326 wrote:Sgt Buttscratch wrote:
I run the complex dampner cuz I dont want to be scanned...ever. Scanners are like ******, usually you die. I have an outfield sniper scout, using thales and wolfmans ScP, on that suit I have 2 complex dampners and 2 enhanced range amps. Only been found once with him and the guy walked around the corner to meet the coroner hahah them wolfmans are great, gets people riled when they realize you have 2 officer weapons equiped
With a Basic Damp and your passive skills (Scout V Damp V) you should be under pro to scanners (except the 15db) your total with the complex does not take you to under the 15db and takes you well beyond the average Proto scanner. You could tone it down and gain some fitting space, if you need some. Totally with you on the being Scanned ^ I believe 5 scout/3 dampening + basic gets you 26/27db. Until 1.8, that is all that you need to worry about on the dampening front - every bit of CPU is important, as the constant 'invalid fitting' notice keeps reminding me...
I use adv weapons and equipment keeps the fittings way down, not abig enough gain from needing X shotguns or knives
I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas
Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
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Flyingconejo
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
492
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Posted - 2014.02.18 18:47:00 -
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Bones McGavins wrote:You are wrong. Passive scanning works. But lets not talk about it. It sucks and isn't useful at all. It's the worst when trying to hack or use RE. Don't use it, keep talking about how OP active scanners are everyone. Nothing to see here.
Listen to this guy.
Don't waste sp in passive scanning. Be smart and save your sp to level up another rifle to proto, or maybe another assault suit.
Passive scanning is totally not worth it.
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Sgt Buttscratch
Edimmu Warfighters
1705
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Posted - 2014.02.18 18:52:00 -
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Flyingconejo wrote:Bones McGavins wrote:You are wrong. Passive scanning works. But lets not talk about it. It sucks and isn't useful at all. It's the worst when trying to hack or use RE. Don't use it, keep talking about how OP active scanners are everyone. Nothing to see here. Listen to this guy. Don't waste sp in passive scanning. Be smart and save your sp to level up another rifle to proto, or maybe another assault suit. Passive scanning is totally not worth it.
I have saved up SP ready for 1.8, no need to get any more weapons, and I'll carry on passive scanning, I like it.
If we got a respec/refund I would actually skill out of 4 weapons.
I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas
Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
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Marc Rime
254
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Posted - 2014.02.18 18:54:00 -
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Be careful with the passive scanner, you don't want to become to reliant on it. Sometimes it makes me too complacent until, while I'm lazily moving around and resting my eyes in the upper left corner, some fellow scout reminds me why this is a really bad idea ;). Also, there will be more scouts come 1.8. |
AP Grasshopper
The Unit 514
172
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Posted - 2014.02.18 19:01:00 -
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As there are currently no pilot suits out at the moment. If Gallente scout with 4 complex range amplifiers does in fact work inside a tank it would make a nice supplement as the vehicle scanner only reaches out to 80 meters. Please let us know when your son has finished paw patrol =] I'd test it myself but I don't have the SP in scouts. |
AP Grasshopper
The Unit 514
172
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Posted - 2014.02.18 19:04:00 -
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Awesome fitting tool! http://www.protofits.com/ |
Yan Darn
Forsaken Immortals Top Men.
234
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Posted - 2014.02.18 19:13:00 -
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Sgt Buttscratch wrote:Yan Darn wrote:Llast 326 wrote:Sgt Buttscratch wrote:
I run the complex dampner cuz I dont want to be scanned...ever. Scanners are like ******, usually you die. I have an outfield sniper scout, using thales and wolfmans ScP, on that suit I have 2 complex dampners and 2 enhanced range amps. Only been found once with him and the guy walked around the corner to meet the coroner hahah them wolfmans are great, gets people riled when they realize you have 2 officer weapons equiped
With a Basic Damp and your passive skills (Scout V Damp V) you should be under pro to scanners (except the 15db) your total with the complex does not take you to under the 15db and takes you well beyond the average Proto scanner. You could tone it down and gain some fitting space, if you need some. Totally with you on the being Scanned ^ I believe 5 scout/3 dampening + basic gets you 26/27db. Until 1.8, that is all that you need to worry about on the dampening front - every bit of CPU is important, as the constant 'invalid fitting' notice keeps reminding me... I use adv weapons and equipment keeps the fittings way down, not abig enough gain from needing X shotguns or knives
Fair do's - I suppose my trouble is that I'm fitting complex mods on a STD suit. Apart from a dual sidearm fit, I don't go past standard on weapons.
On a proto suit, I acknowledge you can't exactly surpass fitting barriers using just complex mods alone, and I've never really felt the performance increase on light weapons was really worth the increase in cost either.
You probably don't know me. But next time you get gunned down or exploded by a Valor scout...check the name.
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
1295
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Posted - 2014.02.18 19:13:00 -
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Bones McGavins wrote:Onto the complex damp. Why complex? What can scan you with complex that you couldn't avoid with enhanced? I only have gallante 3 and damp 3 and 1 enhanced gets me under all but focused proto. And I don't think you can get under that (14.0 as 14.1 would round to 15 and get aught ) without two mods
On a Gal scout two complex dampeners will get you to 13.86 dB, so 14 dB in reality. With one comp damp it is 18 dB.
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Hagintora
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
225
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Posted - 2014.02.18 19:22:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Bones McGavins wrote:Onto the complex damp. Why complex? What can scan you with complex that you couldn't avoid with enhanced? I only have gallante 3 and damp 3 and 1 enhanced gets me under all but focused proto. And I don't think you can get under that (14.0 as 14.1 would round to 15 and get aught ) without two mods On a Gal scout two complex dampeners will get you to 13.86 dB, so 14 dB in reality. With one comp damp it is 18 dB.
That's 1.8. I think Bones was talking about the current build. |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
1295
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Posted - 2014.02.18 19:34:00 -
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Hagintora wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Bones McGavins wrote:Onto the complex damp. Why complex? What can scan you with complex that you couldn't avoid with enhanced? I only have gallante 3 and damp 3 and 1 enhanced gets me under all but focused proto. And I don't think you can get under that (14.0 as 14.1 would round to 15 and get aught ) without two mods On a Gal scout two complex dampeners will get you to 13.86 dB, so 14 dB in reality. With one comp damp it is 18 dB. That's 1.8. I think Bones was talking about the current build.
Yah. Sorry. Got my brain set on 1.8 this morning.
1.7 = 3x complex will get you to 14.20 dB, which should get you below the focused.
Replace one of those with an enhanced and it should be 14.42 dB, which should still get you below.
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AP Grasshopper
The Unit 514
173
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Posted - 2014.02.18 21:08:00 -
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Any new thoughts? |
Sana Rayya
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men.
841
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Posted - 2014.02.18 21:24:00 -
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In 1.7 you need 4 complex dampeners to get under 15dB scans (putting you at 14.21dB). Tested this using two PS3s on Oceania.
From what I remember about getting in/out of LAVs and dropships, your passive scans do not work while you are in a vehicle.
And as others have said, passives aren't the scans you're looking for. Move along. |
Bones McGavins
TacoCat Industries
506
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Posted - 2014.02.18 23:25:00 -
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Also never look at the profile / percision of heavies. It's certainly not true that heavies can pick up each other. And it's not like an extra 5 m scan radius is super helpful on getting the jump on other heavies allowing pre spool of hmg. I mean heavies are never engaging around corners in right spaces within 15m... |
Galvan Nized
Deep Space Republic
668
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Posted - 2014.02.19 00:11:00 -
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Hagintora wrote:Bones McGavins wrote:I can say from sad experience that it no worky while using an installation so I doubt it does in a vehicle.
Onto the complex damp. Why complex? What can scan you with complex that you couldn't avoid with enhanced? I only have gallante 3 and damp 3 and 1 enhanced gets me under all but focused proto. And I don't think you can get under that (14.0 as 14.1 would round to 15 and get aught ) without two mods Really?! Scan Range seems to work just fine for me when I'm on a turret. The only thing that'll sneak up on me are other scouts.
Passive scanning does not work in vehicles or installations. They may stay on your map if you passively scanned them just prior to hoping in but they'll fall off minimap once out of range. Even if they move back in range they don't appear.
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Hagintora
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
227
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Posted - 2014.02.19 00:17:00 -
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Galvan Nized wrote:Hagintora wrote:Bones McGavins wrote:I can say from sad experience that it no worky while using an installation so I doubt it does in a vehicle.
Onto the complex damp. Why complex? What can scan you with complex that you couldn't avoid with enhanced? I only have gallante 3 and damp 3 and 1 enhanced gets me under all but focused proto. And I don't think you can get under that (14.0 as 14.1 would round to 15 and get aught ) without two mods Really?! Scan Range seems to work just fine for me when I'm on a turret. The only thing that'll sneak up on me are other scouts. Passive scanning does not work in vehicles or installations. They may stay on your map if you passively scanned them just prior to hoping in but they'll fall off minimap once out of range. Even if they move back in range they don't appear.
I'm gonna have to test that, because I swear I've had people pop up on my radar while shooting at tanks with a rail turret. And I run solo so I know it wasn't an Active Scan. |
Bojo The Mighty
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
3187
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Posted - 2014.02.19 00:29:00 -
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https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=110984
Scouts will tell you that Passive Scanning rocks the house.
(I Enjoy Difficulty); GB-9 Breach AR, EK-AR Breach Mass Driver, GK-13 and Allotek Burst AR
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DEZKA DIABLO
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
204
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Posted - 2014.02.19 00:33:00 -
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Dragon fly scout with all gallente scout skills maxed, and all electronics maxed
Cr Toxin smg Flux Re Complex shield Basic pd Complex reactive plate = best suit ever
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Kigurosaka Laaksonen
DUST University Ivy League
318
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Posted - 2014.02.19 00:40:00 -
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Krom Ganesh wrote:AP Grasshopper wrote:I don't think passive scan even works anymore, certainty nothing like an active scanner. Please correct me if i'm wrong. Passive scans work 99% percent of the time. Occasionally something will slip past (and it isn't damps as they will show up fine after a short delay).
In my experience passive scanning is heavily effected by terrain or structures that might be in between you and your target.
EDIT: It looks like I was describing LoS scanning. Never mind me.
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