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NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 412	Posted - 2014.02.17 09:43:00 - [31] - Quote NK Scout wrote: Sana Rayya wrote: If you can't kill them when you have the drop on them, then you can't kill them when you have extra HP and they know you're coming. I'd say that's a problem of player skill, not of the HP disadvantage of dampening itself. Let me guess, your a proto stomper...... Actually ive never properly tested dampening, I played ambush vs nyain san....... 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race
Gauder Berwyck Deadly Blue Dots 309	Posted - 2014.02.17 10:26:00 - [32] - Quote We've come to the point where people have to chose anyway. When dropsuit hardeners come, we're definitely there. You'll have to chose what speed you want, if you wanna be tanked or hardened, if you wanna be stealthy or hard hitting... And I do not think it's a bad thing. So if you moan about scanners, then you have already made your choice about your avatars preferred playing style. No need to moan.
Drud Green Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 225	Posted - 2014.02.17 10:31:00 - [33] - Quote Only dust players would defend such a cheap and nasty game mechanic, stay classy guys!
steadyhand amarr TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2323	Posted - 2014.02.17 10:52:00 - [34] - Quote I switched to stealth fits a month back and it makes a hell of difference even a basic damp so u dont show up on passive scans is useful "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES Legacy Rising 694	Posted - 2014.02.17 10:57:00 - [35] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: I switched to stealth fits a month back and it makes a hell of difference even a basic damp so u dont show up on passive scans is useful Ha dude awesome sig about the power rangers! LOL Remember that film with Ivan's Ooze? LOL Takes me back now I think about it.
Kal Kronos L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 194	Posted - 2014.02.17 11:04:00 - [36] - Quote I love my stealth setups, sadly I have to run my ck.0 suits to have viable stealth setups and even then im 2-3 viziam shots from death. My major grief is how scanners are completely ruining NPE. Your enemy has more damage, more health, more of everything, and constantly knows where you are and the direction you are moving. When I play my alts and run solo this build becomes rage inducing. What's not to love about the scrambler rifle, the thing is a precision weapon and at the same time a shotgun.
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 828	Posted - 2014.02.17 12:05:00 - [37] - Quote NK Scout wrote: Sana Rayya wrote: If you can't kill them when you have the drop on them, then you can't kill them when you have extra HP and they know you're coming. I'd say that's a problem of player skill, not of the HP disadvantage of dampening itself. Let me guess, your a proto stomper...... These days I typically run a 8k ISK BPO scout fit - Dren Scout, Dren Shotty, Syndicate SMG, 1x Complex Shield, 1x Basic Reactive Plate, 1x Militia Range Amplifier, Remote Explosives, Flux Grenade. If the other team runs proto scans I swap in an enhanced dampener for my Reactive plate. So yes, I can still stomp protos even in a fit that has under 350 EHP and is less than 8k ISK.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 6594	Posted - 2014.02.17 12:24:00 - [38] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: Oh my. If you automatically assume that you'll get stomped because you have less HP on a dampened suit, you obviously haven't used one or have played scout to a significant degree. The real question is, are you a good enough player to kill a proto player when his back is turned, at whatever engagement distance you choose? If the answer is consistently "no", dampening won' t help you. Well, of course it has it's advantages... But why am I FORCED into stealthy paystyle because someone used an incredibly powerful equipment? Now that it has been nerfed so you can't do 360 degree scans and you can't perma scan, you can actually flank and do other manevours. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 829	Posted - 2014.02.17 12:44:00 - [39] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Sana Rayya wrote: Oh my. If you automatically assume that you'll get stomped because you have less HP on a dampened suit, you obviously haven't used one or have played scout to a significant degree. The real question is, are you a good enough player to kill a proto player when his back is turned, at whatever engagement distance you choose? If the answer is consistently "no", dampening won' t help you. Well, of course it has it's advantages... But why am I FORCED into stealthy paystyle because someone used an incredibly powerful equipment? Now that it has been nerfed so you can't do 360 degree scans and you can't perma scan, you can actually flank and do other manevours. You aren't forced to run profile dampeners if you don't want to. Chances are the proto squad doing the stomping certainly isn't running dampeners. But if you aren't going to use dampeners and try to flank by yourself - good luck. I agree that in 1.8 active scanning will be quite awful so dampening won't be as important, so long as when you flank, you do so from a direction that your enemy isn't watching/scanning.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 6596	Posted - 2014.02.17 12:46:00 - [40] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Sana Rayya wrote: Oh my. If you automatically assume that you'll get stomped because you have less HP on a dampened suit, you obviously haven't used one or have played scout to a significant degree. The real question is, are you a good enough player to kill a proto player when his back is turned, at whatever engagement distance you choose? If the answer is consistently "no", dampening won' t help you. Well, of course it has it's advantages... But why am I FORCED into stealthy paystyle because someone used an incredibly powerful equipment? Now that it has been nerfed so you can't do 360 degree scans and you can't perma scan, you can actually flank and do other manevours. You aren't forced to run profile dampeners if you don't want to. Chances are the proto squad doing the stomping certainly isn't running dampeners. But if you aren't going to use dampeners and try to flank by yourself - good luck. I agree that in 1.8 active scanning will be quite awful so dampening won't be as important, so long as when you flank, you do so from a direction that your enemy isn't watching/scanning. Practical wallhack in a 65 degree scan. Nothing awful about it. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos

PARKOUR PRACTIONER Reapers' Assailant 696	Posted - 2014.02.17 13:14:00 - [41] - Quote Basic Gallente scout suit with two enhanced damps, a militia shotty, M-512 SMG, and remotes. Bring it protostacked. I want you to. FlayLock Pistol Explosives and knives are my thing, Call me Psycho Scout Give me parkour and Bow&Arrows CCP
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 829	Posted - 2014.02.17 13:21:00 - [42] - Quote Awful compared to what we have now, obviously.
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 3391	Posted - 2014.02.17 13:28:00 - [43] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Cough Wall hack Cough So... You used two slots to hide from a brick tanked permascan proto logi who didn't have to give up one slot. So if you meet in direct battle, he wins. Not only that, but his squad benefits from it too. It completely breaks flanking and other manevours. So much truth in this post. It forces enemies to use brainless frontal attacks (because flanking is impossible) and end up vs a 1k ehp proto rifle instakill derp-logi. The community is the worst thing that ever happened to this game. Tank driver // specialized tank destroyer
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 6598	Posted - 2014.02.17 13:55:00 - [44] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: Awful compared to what we have now, obviously. But still very very powerful. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Sum1ne Else WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 896	Posted - 2014.02.17 14:00:00 - [45] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: NK Scout wrote: Sana Rayya wrote: If you can't kill them when you have the drop on them, then you can't kill them when you have extra HP and they know you're coming. I'd say that's a problem of player skill, not of the HP disadvantage of dampening itself. Let me guess, your a proto stomper...... These days I typically run a 8k ISK BPO scout fit - Dren Scout, Dren Shotty, Syndicate SMG, 1x Complex Shield, 1x Basic Reactive Plate, 1x Militia Range Amplifier, Remote Explosives, Flux Grenade. If the other team runs proto scans I swap in an enhanced dampener for my Reactive plate. So yes, I can still stomp protos even in a fit that has under 350 EHP and is less than 8k ISK. This is what he runs guys... BUT 'sana your Dren gear is OP' -2014 (killed again - Titans of Pheonix) Public Relations WJR Its a leopleuradon Charlie a magical leoplueradon, its gunna guide our way to candy mountain!
negative49er Profits Of Mayhem 508	Posted - 2014.02.17 14:07:00 - [46] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: I'm a proto scout with proto PD skills...........**** scanners. but don't forget that proto scanner sinboto it will take the joy away from u Dedicated Shotgun Scout and professional backstabber
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Reapers' Assailant 697	Posted - 2014.02.17 14:11:00 - [47] - Quote negative49er wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: I'm a proto scout with proto PD skills...........**** scanners. but don't forget that proto scanner sinboto it will take the joy away from u I thought proto gal scout with all four stacked proto PDs evaded all scanners.... FlayLock Pistol Explosives and knives are my thing, Call me Psycho Scout Give me parkour and Bow&Arrows CCP
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 831	Posted - 2014.02.17 14:21:00 - [48] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Cough Wall hack Cough So... You used two slots to hide from a brick tanked permascan proto logi who didn't have to give up one slot. So if you meet in direct battle, he wins. Not only that, but his squad benefits from it too. It completely breaks flanking and other manevours. So much truth in this post. It forces enemies to use brainless frontal attacks (because flanking is impossible) and end up vs a 1k ehp proto rifle instakill derp-logi. If you're using a stealth suit and not flanking but engaging an enemy in a direct fight, then you're doing it wrong. The advantage of stealth is being able to get your enemy down to a half or quarter of their HP before they even know where you're shooting from. I'd say that 360* scans actually makes stealth flanking easier due to the false sense of security they impart and the tunnel vision that people get when they focus on your allies off in one direction while you are picking off enemies from the rear.
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 210	Posted - 2014.02.17 14:30:00 - [49] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Cough Wall hack Cough. Dude, you should really just stop copying and pasting phrases you've seen other people use on the forums and stop pretending that you've any FPS experience other than playing Dust.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 6604	Posted - 2014.02.17 15:04:00 - [50] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Cough Wall hack Cough. Dude, you should really just stop copying and pasting phrases you've seen other people use on the forums and stop pretending that you've any FPS experience other than playing Dust. Too bad, because I'm one of the original people who made anti scanner threads claiming they're BS. And I have A LOT of experience with FPS games, more than you I would bet. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos

pyramidhead 420 Carbon 7 CRONOS. 326	Posted - 2014.02.17 15:18:00 - [51] - Quote Venerable Phage wrote: Let's get this straight the fix for a single piece of equipment at level 1 skill 12k SP is two proto modules in lows, a level 5 skill and what 1.5M sp? Not sure just doing the maths off memory. So a lot of CPU, 100x the SP and gimping your armour. Seems a fair trade. Mind you I play a scout and even my heavy HMG goes forth with an enhanced dampener... You can almost hear them clench when they round the corner in a medium suit. Anyhow. How is it balanced or even a viable option to require proto equipment to remain hidden at 100m and how does a noob get the SP there? Scanners are not only out of proportion to their counters they also are vastly superior to their passive scan counter parts. Level 5 passive range increase on a medium suit will give you a range of 15m vs 24m on a light. Level 1 scanner will give you a range of 100m Level 5 passive precision will give a medium what 45? Or is it 49.5db Level 1 scanner again trumps that. So you have a basic piece of equipment that is much better at level 1 skill then two skills at level 5. And then that ability gets shared across the squad and nets extra WP. Effectively cost wise it's SP is shared across the squad as it is a shared effect. So for a full squad they could all be level five passive skills x2 or have one active scanner level 1 and the single active scanner is going to cover four times the area more accurately and share it between all of them. I think the combination of being much better then its passive skill equivalents (its the RE to the poxie proxie or the RR to the AR) with a very difficult counter (multiple forges to perma hardened tanks). Means that it is logical that people will moan about them. wow, the stupid is strong in this one...smh.
pyramidhead 420 Carbon 7 CRONOS. 326	Posted - 2014.02.17 15:27:00 - [52] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: Flix Keptick wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Cough Wall hack Cough So... You used two slots to hide from a brick tanked permascan proto logi who didn't have to give up one slot. So if you meet in direct battle, he wins. Not only that, but his squad benefits from it too. It completely breaks flanking and other manevours. So much truth in this post. It forces enemies to use brainless frontal attacks (because flanking is impossible) and end up vs a 1k ehp proto rifle instakill derp-logi. If you're using a stealth suit and not flanking but engaging an enemy in a direct fight, then you're doing it wrong. The advantage of stealth is being able to get your enemy down to a half or quarter of their HP before they even know where you're shooting from. I'd say that 360* scans actually makes stealth flanking easier due to the false sense of security they impart and the tunnel vision that people get when they focus on your allies off in one direction while you are picking off enemies from the rear. these kids dont get it, they see "you have been scanned"...then die. so they journey to the forums and "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I got scanned in my brick tanked scout and died, scanners are breaking the game. " "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA activision fix this or ill cry more, i need a cloak to compete."
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 4611	Posted - 2014.02.17 15:40:00 - [53] - Quote pyramidhead 420 wrote: Sana Rayya wrote: Flix Keptick wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Cough Wall hack Cough So... You used two slots to hide from a brick tanked permascan proto logi who didn't have to give up one slot. So if you meet in direct battle, he wins. Not only that, but his squad benefits from it too. It completely breaks flanking and other manevours. So much truth in this post. It forces enemies to use brainless frontal attacks (because flanking is impossible) and end up vs a 1k ehp proto rifle instakill derp-logi. If you're using a stealth suit and not flanking but engaging an enemy in a direct fight, then you're doing it wrong. The advantage of stealth is being able to get your enemy down to a half or quarter of their HP before they even know where you're shooting from. I'd say that 360* scans actually makes stealth flanking easier due to the false sense of security they impart and the tunnel vision that people get when they focus on your allies off in one direction while you are picking off enemies from the rear. these kids dont get it, they see "you have been scanned"...then die. so they journey to the forums and "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I got scanned in my brick tanked scout and died, scanners are breaking the game. " "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA activision fix this or ill cry more, i need a cloak to compete." Or many of the scouts left in the game have been playing said game for over a year and know exactly what they are talking about. Just a thought. And to be honest I don't feel the cloak is going to help scouts as much as others seem to think, I can stay out of sight extremely well without it personally. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Reapers' Assailant 705	Posted - 2014.02.17 15:42:00 - [54] - Quote negative49er wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: I'm a proto scout with proto PD skills...........**** scanners. but don't forget that proto scanner sinboto it will take the joy away from u Someone please answer me about this... FlayLock Pistol Explosives and knives are my thing, Call me Psycho Scout Give me parkour and Bow&Arrows CCP
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 3408	Posted - 2014.02.17 15:45:00 - [55] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: Flix Keptick wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Cough Wall hack Cough So... You used two slots to hide from a brick tanked permascan proto logi who didn't have to give up one slot. So if you meet in direct battle, he wins. Not only that, but his squad benefits from it too. It completely breaks flanking and other manevours. So much truth in this post. It forces enemies to use brainless frontal attacks (because flanking is impossible) and end up vs a 1k ehp proto rifle instakill derp-logi. If you're using a stealth suit and not flanking but engaging an enemy in a direct fight, then you're doing it wrong. The advantage of stealth is being able to get your enemy down to a half or quarter of their HP before they even know where you're shooting from. I'd say that 360* scans actually makes stealth flanking easier due to the false sense of security they impart and the tunnel vision that people get when they focus on your allies off in one direction while you are picking off enemies from the rear. When I'm in a stealth suit with low hp but still get scanned wft am I supposed to do? The community is the worst thing that ever happened to this game. Tank driver // specialized tank destroyer
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 3408	Posted - 2014.02.17 15:47:00 - [56] - Quote pyramidhead 420 wrote: Sana Rayya wrote: Flix Keptick wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Cough Wall hack Cough So... You used two slots to hide from a brick tanked permascan proto logi who didn't have to give up one slot. So if you meet in direct battle, he wins. Not only that, but his squad benefits from it too. It completely breaks flanking and other manevours. So much truth in this post. It forces enemies to use brainless frontal attacks (because flanking is impossible) and end up vs a 1k ehp proto rifle instakill derp-logi. If you're using a stealth suit and not flanking but engaging an enemy in a direct fight, then you're doing it wrong. The advantage of stealth is being able to get your enemy down to a half or quarter of their HP before they even know where you're shooting from. I'd say that 360* scans actually makes stealth flanking easier due to the false sense of security they impart and the tunnel vision that people get when they focus on your allies off in one direction while you are picking off enemies from the rear. these kids dont get it, they see "you have been scanned"...then die. so they journey to the forums and "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I got scanned in my brick tanked scout and died, scanners are breaking the game. " "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA activision fix this or ill cry more, i need a cloak to compete." ^ exhibit one of angry proto scanner user The community is the worst thing that ever happened to this game. Tank driver // specialized tank destroyer
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 4611	Posted - 2014.02.17 15:47:00 - [57] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: Sana Rayya wrote: Flix Keptick wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Cough Wall hack Cough So... You used two slots to hide from a brick tanked permascan proto logi who didn't have to give up one slot. So if you meet in direct battle, he wins. Not only that, but his squad benefits from it too. It completely breaks flanking and other manevours. So much truth in this post. It forces enemies to use brainless frontal attacks (because flanking is impossible) and end up vs a 1k ehp proto rifle instakill derp-logi. If you're using a stealth suit and not flanking but engaging an enemy in a direct fight, then you're doing it wrong. The advantage of stealth is being able to get your enemy down to a half or quarter of their HP before they even know where you're shooting from. I'd say that 360* scans actually makes stealth flanking easier due to the false sense of security they impart and the tunnel vision that people get when they focus on your allies off in one direction while you are picking off enemies from the rear. When I'm in a stealth suit with low hp but still get scanned wft am I supposed to do? Do what I do: suicide run. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Reapers' Assailant 705	Posted - 2014.02.17 15:53:00 - [58] - Quote Read the sig, Psychotic Suicidal scout at your service. Who do I blow up or stab first? FlayLock Pistol Explosives and knives are my thing, Call me Psycho Scout Give me parkour and Bow&Arrows CCP
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 3412	Posted - 2014.02.17 15:55:00 - [59] - Quote PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: Read the sig, Psychotic Suicidal scout at your service. Who do I blow up or stab first? I prefer the remote explosive suicide run. Now, if only we could stick them to our own bodies... IMPLEMENT IT CCP!!! The community is the worst thing that ever happened to this game. Tank driver // specialized tank destroyer
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Reapers' Assailant 706	Posted - 2014.02.17 16:01:00 - [60] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: Read the sig, Psychotic Suicidal scout at your service. Who do I blow up or stab first? I prefer the remote explosive suicide run. Now, if only we could stick them to our own bodies... IMPLEMENT IT CCP!!! Hell. YEAH! Ninja suicide bomber at your service. Strap 9 REs, run into a group of protos, pray they don't shoot the remotes, detonate! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA CCP nerf remotes! I can see it now. Oh yeah, remotes are a default on my fits. FlayLock Pistol Explosives and knives are my thing, Call me Psycho Scout Give me parkour and Bow&Arrows CCP



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