IDK, I think you are underestimating the effects chaff will/could have.

I picture it as being similar to hardeners except that while "active" it will fire off chaff once incoming missiles have reached a distance threshold. So if I am running along in my MAV and I have my Chaff mod active, when Swarms got within 20m or so, it would fire off a number of flares based on the tier of the mod (thinking Swarm equivalency here). Each flare would attract a single missile and pull it off course from the MAV to the flare itself.

There could also be some version of CIWS for vehicles too I would imagine.

I like the suggestions. It would be nice to improve swarms vs LAVs while not dominating HAVs. It would also be nice to have specialist flux missiles, anti module missiles and and armour missiles so that a squad of AVers could created their own waves of oppoutunity.

I like the suggestions. It would be nice to improve swarms vs LAVs while not dominating HAVs. It would also be nice to have specialist flux missiles, anti module missiles and and armour missiles so that a squad of AVers could created their own waves of oppoutunity.

I love how it is always a simple "NO". Never an explanation of why outside of childish demands to have their own solo pwnmobile.

You might as well have just typed "NUH-UH **STAMPS FEET WHILE WALKING OFF**".

I think it is hilarious too since it would amount to a larger buff to vehicles than the one CCP gave in 1.7.

No way in hell im lettingnrandoms shoot or drive
Im not going to squad up every time in dust, I like playing solo and it makes my framerate better.

Indeed its a valid concern. No other game with vehicles requires the main cannon to be manned by a secondary play as it taks half the fun out of the shooter element of the game.....

However even you must believe it is ridiculous to put such potent anti infantry weapons as the Large Blaster while we have 6000+ HP platforms to work off of, that not only move faster than infantry but also have massive damage resistances to our primary weaknesses.

Nerf blasters, simple

We can now begin the "cleansing" if you know what I mean.

No way in hell im lettingnrandoms shoot or drive
Im not going to squad up every time in dust, I like playing solo and it makes my framerate better.

Oh so because you want to be able to have your solo pwnmobile when you're playing solo in an admittedly teambased game, that is reason enough to not include something that would encourage teamplay?

Still not hearing rational, articulate arguments, just more of the "IT HAS TO BE THIS WAY BECAUSE I WANT IT THIS WAY WAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!"

@True

I thought that "standing apart" was something that most of the community has wanted for Dust from the beginning? I mean, I know it is different, though I don't think that it is nearly so much of a "fun killer" as you put forth.

In fact, I think it would make things more fun, social activities usually are.

Would you rather fap or spend the evening with your gender of choice?

Oh so because you want to be able to have your solo pwnmobile when you're playing solo in an admittedly teambased game, that is reason enough to not include something that would encourage teamplay?

Still not hearing rational, articulate arguments, just more of the "IT HAS TO BE THIS WAY BECAUSE I WANT IT THIS WAY WAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!"

@True

I thought that "standing apart" was something that most of the community has wanted for Dust from the beginning? I mean, I know it is different, though I don't think that it is nearly so much of a "fun killer" as you put forth.

In fact, I think it would make things more fun, social activities usually are.

Would you rather fap or spend the evening with your gender of choice?

Hmmmm why not change the blaster to a heavy plasma cannon?

Hmmmm why not change the blaster to a heavy plasma cannon?

Arbitrarily requiring 2 people to operate a tank is a ridiculous idea. Although I understand why you think it and don't blame you for feeling the way you do so this isn't a personal attack. But it is a horribly bad idea. It is based on the assumption that at the moment tanks are "OP" because they are dominating Ambush matches, not allowing infantry to really engage each other because they have to constantly flee the tank and are genuinely ruining the fun for everyone not sitting on two treads.

But guess what? Tanks are not "OP". They aren't exactly fine, but they aren't OP. They are just extremely effective at dominating ambush matches. We've gone through this whole cycle several times just like Bad Furry said in another thread. You either wind up with tanks that dominate ambush and ruin it for infantry or they become too weak and useless in skirm/dom. Right now if your team has enough brain cells to rub together to start a fire they can handle tanks in a skirmish or domination match. Ambush is another matter entirely and is almost its own thread entirely but my answer as to why I don't like your idea is because there is absolutely no reason to do it. It's an arbitrary and unjustified handicap on a significant-enough-to-matter portion of the game and the playerbase. And that is why it is a bad idea.

2. Nerf the living shit out of blasters, please. It's these that are causing all the issues. It's harder by far to kill with a railgun, which is why you don't see so many MLT ones spammed at the start of matches. Obviously they're superior for AV as a general rule (although they're inferior as far as keeping tanks away from your squad is concerned; nothing beats a forge for that).
I like the idea of either cutting their vehicle damage to 50%, like pre1.6 small rails, or doing the same to their infantry damage. I think HMG damage with 50m optimal and 75m effective is pretty reasonable. HMG is still pretty powerful.

If you think a blaster is better at AV than rails or missiles,, you're doing it wrong.

Oh so because you want to be able to have your solo pwnmobile when you're playing solo in an admittedly teambased game, that is reason enough to not include something that would encourage teamplay?

Still not hearing rational, articulate arguments, just more of the "IT HAS TO BE THIS WAY BECAUSE I WANT IT THIS WAY WAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!"

@True

I thought that "standing apart" was something that most of the community has wanted for Dust from the beginning? I mean, I know it is different, though I don't think that it is nearly so much of a "fun killer" as you put forth.

In fact, I think it would make things more fun, social activities usually are.

Would you rather fap or spend the evening with your gender of choice?

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P.S. don't buff forges. They'll be OP as fuck.

First, I'm glad I see you're not banned; something someone said in 'DevHangout' the other day suggested as much. Anyway, into business.

So I've done a bit of raging/trolling (xD) recently, through which I've made my positions known. First off, I'm perfectly happy with the balance at the moment (in the sense that the shoe's now on the other foot) and while I'm expecting a nerf, I'm damn well going to enjoy it while it lasts.

Your points I agree with to some extent.

1. Ammunition reserves are actually not too high in HAVs at the moment; I often fit an ammunition module because they're free and because I often run dry otherwise. Now, I run a Gunnlogi so I have the slots to do it. Should base capacity be reduced, I'd want my complex ammo cache to be buffed to give me the same capacity that I have now. I'd also want many more supply depots scattered around the maps. Something in the order of two in every redline, for example. I'd also want their HP buffed to CRU levels, and the recall function changed to be less convenient (doubling the hack timer would work wonders here).

2. Nerf the living shit out of blasters, please. It's these that are causing all the issues. It's harder by far to kill with a railgun, which is why you don't see so many MLT ones spammed at the start of matches. Obviously they're superior for AV as a general rule (although they're inferior as far as keeping tanks away from your squad is concerned; nothing beats a forge for that).
I like the idea of either cutting their vehicle damage to 50%, like pre1.6 small rails, or doing the same to their infantry damage. I think HMG damage with 50m optimal and 75m effective is pretty reasonable. HMG is still pretty powerful.

3. Yep, and remove damage mod stacking too, because otherwise tanking will revolve around nothing but gank.

4. Swarms need a buff, I don't mind your suggestions.

5. Rather than buffing PLC damage, I honestly would prefer an increase to magazine size to about 3. It seems like the thing that cripples it is the reload times, rather than the firing mechanics, which can be for around with requisite practice and skill.

6. I'm in the other direction on Proxes. I would prefer buffing damage and radius rather than remove the indicator. Otherwise one can just drop six in the same spot and gib someone. There are quite a few roads that always have heavy traffic so it's not really even a 'skill' weapon to use. I don't think that proxes should be an independent AV weapon. Rather, I'd prefer them as a supplement and as a way to control movement.

7. Leave RE carried amount as is, give them a buff to HAV damage. 30% would I think allow STD REs laid on the road to kill an unfitted tank. Give them 30% automatic critical damage when laid on a hull. So a total of (1500*1.3*1.3) will destroy an unhardened HAV with two remotes.

Anyway, these are my thoughts, make of them what you will.

P.S. don't buff forges. They'll be OP as fuck.

I don't. They're still viable AV. I've done quite well even against particle cannons . This is with an MLT blaster, by the way.
They've got higher sustained DPS than the other turrets by quite a bit. The only hurdle is that they can't break a hardened Gunnlogi's regen without a damage mod.

I think they need to be forced into a single role. HMG damage against infantry from a shorter range (this could actually open the doors for a general damage buff to actually make them the best choice for CQC AV) or alternatively making them unable to function as AV without support.

EDIT: if they're nerfed against HAVs, Gal need an AV option. A PLC optimised for a little less range than missiles (so about 150m - talking about damage profiles, rather than actual effective range. Missiles need to be tighter to actually have range) seems like the best bet.

Making a large turret not viable at hitting the targets it was most likely designed for (otherwise it wouldn't be that big), is quite stupid. Additionally, making it to where it's inaccurate as **** would make no sense either. it needs to be accurate to fire on the move (kinda Gallente's fighting style). Like I said, this is only a band aid, and would only solve **** for a week.

Also, whoever you are fighting that has that particle cannon needs to stop using it. They're bloody awful if they can't kill someone with a MLT blaster.

Something exceedingly ironic.

I would hope that MAV's would have a higher acceleration and top speed as well as better handling to compensate. I am not suggesting that they be faster/as fast as LAVs, but I do think that they should be closer in those regards to LAVs than HAVs.

Arbitrarily requiring 2 people to operate a tank is a ridiculous idea. Although I understand why you think it and don't blame you for feeling the way you do so this isn't a personal attack. But it is a horribly bad idea. It is based on the assumption that at the moment tanks are "OP" because they are dominating Ambush matches, not allowing infantry to really engage each other because they have to constantly flee the tank and are genuinely ruining the fun for everyone not sitting on two treads.

But guess what? Tanks are not "OP". They aren't exactly fine, but they aren't OP. They are just extremely effective at dominating ambush matches. We've gone through this whole cycle several times just like Bad Furry said in another thread. You either wind up with tanks that dominate ambush and ruin it for infantry or they become too weak and useless in skirm/dom. Right now if your team has enough brain cells to rub together to start a fire they can handle tanks in a skirmish or domination match. Ambush is another matter entirely and is almost its own thread entirely but my answer as to why I don't like your idea is because there is absolutely no reason to do it. It's an arbitrary and unjustified handicap on a significant-enough-to-matter portion of the game and the playerbase. And that is why it is a bad idea.