Yes, I know that this topic has been discussed to death, revived, and then discussed to death many times over. But since everyone has deposited their .02 ISK into the V/AV bank, I figured I might as well too.

Free from any parody or trolling:



PS: Yes I know that buffing SL damage can make Dropships underpowered. However, I high;y believe that flares & countermeasures will prevent that from happening.

All of that seems reasonable to me.

I do however, still think that the Driver and Main Gunner should be separate seats in the HAV. Minimum two needed to be able to move and shoot simultaneously. The option for the two secondaries should remain. This would mean that you could run the HAV solo if you liked though you wouldn't be moving and shooting at the same time, if you brought a single friend, you can move and shoot and if you brought more than one friend, you'd have a better chance of killing any infantry resistance.

I'm for limiting hardeners to one per vehicle, and I've suggested that myself. But in return, hardeners need to resist more. 80% and 60% for shields and armor respectively.

I should be nigh unkillable while my hardener is up. It should take multiple AV users focusing all the DPs they can muster to break through my hardener.

But when that hardener turns off, I better have killed all the AV, or have infantry support, because I should be relatively easy pickings for one AV person.

I love how it is always a simple "NO". Never an explanation of why outside of childish demands to have their own solo pwnmobile.

You might as well have just typed "NUH-UH **STAMPS FEET WHILE WALKING OFF**".

I think it is hilarious too since it would amount to a larger buff to vehicles than the one CCP gave in 1.7.

Indeed its a valid concern. No other game with vehicles requires the main cannon to be manned by a secondary play as it taks half the fun out of the shooter element of the game.....

However even you must believe it is ridiculous to put such potent anti infantry weapons as the Large Blaster while we have 6000+ HP platforms to work off of, that not only move faster than infantry but also have massive damage resistances to our primary weaknesses.

Oh so because you want to be able to have your solo pwnmobile when you're playing solo in an admittedly teambased game, that is reason enough to not include something that would encourage teamplay?

Still not hearing rational, articulate arguments, just more of the "IT HAS TO BE THIS WAY BECAUSE I WANT IT THIS WAY WAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!"

@True

I thought that "standing apart" was something that most of the community has wanted for Dust from the beginning? I mean, I know it is different, though I don't think that it is nearly so much of a "fun killer" as you put forth.

In fact, I think it would make things more fun, social activities usually are.

Would you rather fap or spend the evening with your gender of choice?

Hmmmm why not change the blaster to a heavy plasma cannon?

First, I'm glad I see you're not banned; something someone said in 'DevHangout' the other day suggested as much. Anyway, into business.

So I've done a bit of raging/trolling (xD) recently, through which I've made my positions known. First off, I'm perfectly happy with the balance at the moment (in the sense that the shoe's now on the other foot) and while I'm expecting a nerf, I'm damn well going to enjoy it while it lasts.

Your points I agree with to some extent.

1. Ammunition reserves are actually not too high in HAVs at the moment; I often fit an ammunition module because they're free and because I often run dry otherwise. Now, I run a Gunnlogi so I have the slots to do it. Should base capacity be reduced, I'd want my complex ammo cache to be buffed to give me the same capacity that I have now. I'd also want many more supply depots scattered around the maps. Something in the order of two in every redline, for example. I'd also want their HP buffed to CRU levels, and the recall function changed to be less convenient (doubling the hack timer would work wonders here).

2. Nerf the living shit out of blasters, please. It's these that are causing all the issues. It's harder by far to kill with a railgun, which is why you don't see so many MLT ones spammed at the start of matches. Obviously they're superior for AV as a general rule (although they're inferior as far as keeping tanks away from your squad is concerned; nothing beats a forge for that).
I like the idea of either cutting their vehicle damage to 50%, like pre1.6 small rails, or doing the same to their infantry damage. I think HMG damage with 50m optimal and 75m effective is pretty reasonable. HMG is still pretty powerful.

3. Yep, and remove damage mod stacking too, because otherwise tanking will revolve around nothing but gank.

4. Swarms need a buff, I don't mind your suggestions.

5. Rather than buffing PLC damage, I honestly would prefer an increase to magazine size to about 3. It seems like the thing that cripples it is the reload times, rather than the firing mechanics, which can be for around with requisite practice and skill.

6. I'm in the other direction on Proxes. I would prefer buffing damage and radius rather than remove the indicator. Otherwise one can just drop six in the same spot and gib someone. There are quite a few roads that always have heavy traffic so it's not really even a 'skill' weapon to use. I don't think that proxes should be an independent AV weapon. Rather, I'd prefer them as a supplement and as a way to control movement.

7. Leave RE carried amount as is, give them a buff to HAV damage. 30% would I think allow STD REs laid on the road to kill an unfitted tank. Give them 30% automatic critical damage when laid on a hull. So a total of (1500*1.3*1.3) will destroy an unhardened HAV with two remotes.

Anyway, these are my thoughts, make of them what you will.

P.S. don't buff forges. They'll be OP as fuck.