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Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3410	Posted - 2014.04.18 10:40:00 - [31] - Quote If no vehicles are about i get to kill infantry if they are dumb enough to be about But now i get a WP nerf just because im skilled into a tank Yea no
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 1253	Posted - 2014.04.18 10:44:00 - [32] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: If no vehicles are about i get to kill infantry if they are dumb enough to be about But now i get a WP nerf just because im skilled into a tank Yea no does red star actually have any mercs not in a tank... i think that in itself highlights a problem I will logi the s* out of you https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3411	Posted - 2014.04.18 11:39:00 - [33] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: If no vehicles are about i get to kill infantry if they are dumb enough to be about But now i get a WP nerf just because im skilled into a tank Yea no does red star actually have any mercs not in a tank... i think that in itself highlights a problem look at it this way. lets say they did what i suggested. carry crew and you will earn more wp for tank kills than you ever did before. if as you say there are no enemy tanks then you and your crew could be attacking positions earning extra wp from combined crew effort. that will make up for the loss of wp. what we get is solo tankers weaker against infantry for wp but with a crew stronger than before and if a tank shows up the potential wp is higher. this whole notion of a tank being good at killing everything needs to go or have a system to persuade tanks to choose to kill tanks over infantry. its harder to kill a tank so the wp rewards you for it should be higher. its is not hard at all to kill infantry in a tank so rewards should be dropped to reflect that. I now have to carry a crew so my playstyle doesnt get nerfed WP while everyone else can still solo about Problem is no one can get out anyways and if anyone does a random can easily jump in because lolno locks so that means i at least have to group up with 2 other ppl even if i dont want to and they need mics so whenever i want to solo i cant use a tank because i get nerfed WP so i have to go infantry which i may not want to do Harder to kill a tank? sica x2 DMG mods with a rail, or 2 FG or 1 well placed FG But if i make my tank good at killing infantry why should i get punished? i dont see the logi getting punished for putting down uplinks they still get 25WP per spawn maybe they should get 5WP instead because they should be repping a fatty instead
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 1254	Posted - 2014.04.18 11:56:00 - [34] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: If no vehicles are about i get to kill infantry if they are dumb enough to be about But now i get a WP nerf just because im skilled into a tank Yea no does red star actually have any mercs not in a tank... i think that in itself highlights a problem look at it this way. lets say they did what i suggested. carry crew and you will earn more wp for tank kills than you ever did before. if as you say there are no enemy tanks then you and your crew could be attacking positions earning extra wp from combined crew effort. that will make up for the loss of wp. what we get is solo tankers weaker against infantry for wp but with a crew stronger than before and if a tank shows up the potential wp is higher. this whole notion of a tank being good at killing everything needs to go or have a system to persuade tanks to choose to kill tanks over infantry. its harder to kill a tank so the wp rewards you for it should be higher. its is not hard at all to kill infantry in a tank so rewards should be dropped to reflect that. I now have to carry a crew so my playstyle doesnt get nerfed WP while everyone else can still solo about Problem is no one can get out anyways and if anyone does a random can easily jump in because lolno locks so that means i at least have to group up with 2 other ppl even if i dont want to and they need mics so whenever i want to solo i cant use a tank because i get nerfed WP so i have to go infantry which i may not want to do Harder to kill a tank? sica x2 DMG mods with a rail, or 2 FG or 1 well placed FG But if i make my tank good at killing infantry why should i get punished? i dont see the logi getting punished for putting down uplinks they still get 25WP per spawn maybe they should get 5WP instead because they should be repping a fatty instead thats entirely up to you. fit for anti infantry or fit for anti tank. you shouldn't be allowed to do both and be rewarded for both. shouldn't this game be about fitting for the right role and being rewarded for that role. tankers always say tanks are the best counter to tanks which should be rewarded as such. this brings up the fact infantry should be the best counter to infantry and in RL this is the case. rewards should be balanced as such to reward sticking to your role but not penalising you too much for doing something different. as it stands tanks can kill other tanks and infantry just as easy as each other without much risk yet for a merc to do the same takes a huge amount of effort and the risk is much higher yet both are rewarded the same. wp rewards should be based on effort, lets face it there is no effort in killing infantry with a tank I will logi the s* out of you https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3411	Posted - 2014.04.18 12:05:00 - [35] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: If no vehicles are about i get to kill infantry if they are dumb enough to be about But now i get a WP nerf just because im skilled into a tank Yea no does red star actually have any mercs not in a tank... i think that in itself highlights a problem look at it this way. lets say they did what i suggested. carry crew and you will earn more wp for tank kills than you ever did before. if as you say there are no enemy tanks then you and your crew could be attacking positions earning extra wp from combined crew effort. that will make up for the loss of wp. what we get is solo tankers weaker against infantry for wp but with a crew stronger than before and if a tank shows up the potential wp is higher. this whole notion of a tank being good at killing everything needs to go or have a system to persuade tanks to choose to kill tanks over infantry. its harder to kill a tank so the wp rewards you for it should be higher. its is not hard at all to kill infantry in a tank so rewards should be dropped to reflect that. I now have to carry a crew so my playstyle doesnt get nerfed WP while everyone else can still solo about Problem is no one can get out anyways and if anyone does a random can easily jump in because lolno locks so that means i at least have to group up with 2 other ppl even if i dont want to and they need mics so whenever i want to solo i cant use a tank because i get nerfed WP so i have to go infantry which i may not want to do Harder to kill a tank? sica x2 DMG mods with a rail, or 2 FG or 1 well placed FG But if i make my tank good at killing infantry why should i get punished? i dont see the logi getting punished for putting down uplinks they still get 25WP per spawn maybe they should get 5WP instead because they should be repping a fatty instead thats entirely up to you. fit for anti infantry or fit for anti tank. you shouldn't be allowed to do both and be rewarded for both. shouldn't this game be about fitting for the right role and being rewarded for that role. tankers always say tanks are the best counter to tanks which should be rewarded as such. this brings up the fact infantry should be the best counter to infantry and in RL this is the case. rewards should be balanced as such to reward sticking to your role but not penalising you too much for doing something different. as it stands tanks can kill other tanks and infantry just as easy as each other without much risk yet for a merc to do the same takes a huge amount of effort and the risk is much higher yet both are rewarded the same. wp rewards should be based on effort, lets face it there is no effort in killing infantry with a tank infantry cant solo a tank and that is the backbone of what tankers believe av should be towards a tank yet by your own acknowledgement you want tanks to be able to solo that group of infantry for the same rewards Whut? So if i fit up to kill infantry i still only get 25 WP even tho i fitted it up to kill infantry and made myself weaker to vehicles? makes no sense Effort, i still have to aim and WP is based on actions done and completing them rewards players with WP Last i checked i dont get WP based on effort Infantry can solo a tank, i know i have done it, i have seen it done, it may or may not be easy depending on the player but it can be done
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 1255	Posted - 2014.04.18 12:53:00 - [36] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Whut? So if i fit up to kill infantry i still only get 25 WP even tho i fitted it up to kill infantry and made myself weaker to vehicles? makes no sense Effort, i still have to aim and WP is based on actions done and completing them rewards players with WP Last i checked i dont get WP based on effort Infantry can solo a tank, i know i have done it, i have seen it done, it may or may not be easy depending on the player but it can be done combined with assist points and full all round visibility your infantry killing potential is higher. there is no reason why they couldnt up assist points made by the small turrets on your vehicle to compensate you. but when that enemy tank turns up you have to run not just switch targets like you do now. alternatively if your anti tank, tank you should be rewarded more for killing a tank and less for killing infantry. effort is not, having to aim your weapon. effort is not, landing 1-2 shots and killing any infantry in your path.there is 99.9% more effort put in by infantry to kill a tank than a tank has to put in to kill infantry thinking about it maybe tank on tank kills should only reward 50wp. at the end of the day its no more effort for tank on tank than infantry on infantry and costs nearly the same amount of isk and effort I will logi the s* out of you https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
The Attorney General 2612	Posted - 2014.04.18 13:01:00 - [37] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: effort is not, having to aim your weapon. effort is not, landing 1-2 shots and killing any infantry in your path.there is 99.9% more effort put in by infantry to kill a tank than a tank has to put in to kill infantry thinking about it maybe tank on tank kills should only reward 50wp. at the end of the day its no more effort for tank on tank than infantry on infantry and costs nearly the same amount of isk and effort Confirmed for anti tank bias. Scrub. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2722	Posted - 2014.04.18 13:04:00 - [38] - Quote Interesting idea, but it's bad. I don't fit for AI myself, but I know people who do; they'd be driven into unprofitability were their WP gain halved. On the flip side, I'd pull some easy 5k games if TvT WP were increased, and were both decreased tanks would be impossible to use thanks to being totally unprofitable. As it is losing a decent tank puts you in the red for the match; I think the trick would be making it so that losing a cheap tank is dramatically easier than losing expensive ones, making the cheaper tanks generally less profitable than the expensive ones and therefore less spammable. I've got an ISK-printing Soma that costs 77k, where my PRO rails and missiles cost 485, for the record. ak.0 4 LYFE I am the Lorhak. I speak for the trees.
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 1255	Posted - 2014.04.18 13:06:00 - [39] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: effort is not, having to aim your weapon. effort is not, landing 1-2 shots and killing any infantry in your path.there is 99.9% more effort put in by infantry to kill a tank than a tank has to put in to kill infantry thinking about it maybe tank on tank kills should only reward 50wp. at the end of the day its no more effort for tank on tank than infantry on infantry and costs nearly the same amount of isk and effort Confirmed for anti tank bias. Scrub. im bias against anyone who wants to be a solo god and earn more for less effort. and that goes for any role I will logi the s* out of you https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
The Attorney General 2613	Posted - 2014.04.18 13:11:00 - [40] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: im bias against anyone who wants to be a solo god and earn more for less effort. and that goes for any role Effort? So then remove WP for uplinks, nanohives, scans, and triage. Come on now. It is a video game, we all have to move our digits to control our virtual selves. Your hands do not get a more severe work out playing Dust than anyone else. If you think that you moving your analog stick to run takes more effort than someone moving their analog stick to drive a vehicle, then you need help. You hate tanks, they hurt you, you want them out of the game. I have read your posts, I see the theme. You are just a scrub who can't hang and you want CCP to carebear it up for you. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.

Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3411	Posted - 2014.04.18 13:16:00 - [41] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Whut? So if i fit up to kill infantry i still only get 25 WP even tho i fitted it up to kill infantry and made myself weaker to vehicles? makes no sense Effort, i still have to aim and WP is based on actions done and completing them rewards players with WP Last i checked i dont get WP based on effort Infantry can solo a tank, i know i have done it, i have seen it done, it may or may not be easy depending on the player but it can be done combined with assist points and full all round visibility your infantry killing potential is higher. there is no reason why they couldnt up assist points made by the small turrets on your vehicle to compensate you. but when that enemy tank turns up you have to run not just switch targets like you do now. alternatively if your anti tank, tank you should be rewarded more for killing a tank and less for killing infantry. effort is not, having to aim your weapon. effort is not, landing 1-2 shots and killing any infantry in your path.there is 99.9% more effort put in by infantry to kill a tank than a tank has to put in to kill infantry thinking about it maybe tank on tank kills should only reward 50wp. at the end of the day its no more effort for tank on tank than infantry on infantry and costs nearly the same amount of isk and effort Obv doesnt tank If im blaster and killing infantry if another tank turns up i can either attack it or retreat, generally that other tank is a railgun which is 200m away from me meaning i have to run because its raw DPS will whack the everloving ** out of a blaster Its not just oh a tank lets switch and its dead So aiming requires no effort - same goes for infantry 1-2 shots - well it is a large blaster which deals 100dmg per shot, do you really think a meatbag scout would survive 10 if them? 99.9% - Really? So what percent am i at when i 1 shot a tank with a proto breach FG? So then how about every action just gives you 1WP no matter what you do then, just nerf the ** out of everything since everything requires no effort
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 1256	Posted - 2014.04.18 13:17:00 - [42] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: im bias against anyone who wants to be a solo god and earn more for less effort. and that goes for any role Effort? So then remove WP for uplinks, nanohives, scans, and triage. Come on now. It is a video game, we all have to move our digits to control our virtual selves. Your hands do not get a more severe work out playing Dust than anyone else. If you think that you moving your analog stick to run takes more effort than someone moving their analog stick to drive a vehicle, then you need help. You hate tanks, they hurt you, you want them out of the game. I have read your posts, I see the theme. You are just a scrub who can't hang and you want CCP to carebear it up for you. there isnt a single post ever made by me thats wants tanks out of the game. you will find loads of suggestions, some changing balance and some leaving them the same but tweaks to how we play the roles. i'm giving options while tankers hide in their shells complacent with their god like abilities crushing every attempt to come up with a solution everyone can live with. i dont hate tanks. i hate hate the mentality of some tankers who believe the should be virtually invincible and be rewarded for it I will logi the s* out of you https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 713	Posted - 2014.04.18 13:25:00 - [43] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Whut? So if i fit up to kill infantry i still only get 25 WP even tho i fitted it up to kill infantry and made myself weaker to vehicles? makes no sense Effort, i still have to aim and WP is based on actions done and completing them rewards players with WP Last i checked i dont get WP based on effort Infantry can solo a tank, i know i have done it, i have seen it done, it may or may not be easy depending on the player but it can be done combined with assist points and full all round visibility your infantry killing potential is higher. there is no reason why they couldnt up assist points made by the small turrets on your vehicle to compensate you. but when that enemy tank turns up you have to run not just switch targets like you do now. alternatively if your anti tank, tank you should be rewarded more for killing a tank and less for killing infantry. effort is not, having to aim your weapon. effort is not, landing 1-2 shots and killing any infantry in your path.there is 99.9% more effort put in by infantry to kill a tank than a tank has to put in to kill infantry thinking about it maybe tank on tank kills should only reward 50wp. at the end of the day its no more effort for tank on tank than infantry on infantry and costs nearly the same amount of isk and effort Obv doesnt tank If im blaster and killing infantry if another tank turns up i can either attack it or retreat, generally that other tank is a railgun which is 200m away from me meaning i have to run because its raw DPS will whack the everloving ** out of a blaster Its not just oh a tank lets switch and its dead So aiming requires no effort - same goes for infantry 1-2 shots - well it is a large blaster which deals 100dmg per shot, do you really think a meatbag scout would survive 10 if them? 99.9% - Really? So what percent am i at when i 1 shot a tank with a proto breach FG? So then how about every action just gives you 1WP no matter what you do then, just nerf the ** out of everything since everything requires no effort You are still spouting your nonsense about 1 shotting tanks with the proto breach? Let's again visit the only mathematically possible way that is possible. You have a Proto breach forge gun with prof 5 and two complex damage mods. You have to hit an unhardened HAV that has no plates or extenders equipped, and it HAS to be in the fuel cells. That is the only possible way to 1 shot an HAV that is untouched. Oh yea, and only on one of the tanks is this possible. Stop spouting your fuckin lies.
Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1608	Posted - 2014.04.18 13:26:00 - [44] - Quote boba's fetta wrote: Tanks need a price increase. Lower wp just means less orbitals really won't stop anyone kicking infantry around. Still good to see you havnt stopped thinking about how to improve the game :) Removing mtl tanks will prevent new players trying out tanks. A low sp tanker is a joke it's the heavily skilled guys that you want to worry about. Price increase is the best option make it so you can't drop 4 tanks and still make a profit. Price increase? Are you out of your mind? My fitting costs me 560k and I can barely break even. I say keep prices as they are currently, but severely nerf militia everything, nerf everything except proto. Bring back our passive skills as well. Only proto and level 5s should bring you up to the current proto fit tanks. Militia with 0 SP should die if anything sneezes at them. There'd be no reason to even call in a 0 SP tank if you're going to get wiped after getting only a few kills, if any. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 1256	Posted - 2014.04.18 13:28:00 - [45] - Quote i find it astonishing that some (not all) tankers can never come up with any compromise. instead they resort to spouting nonsense to try and make a point ignoring the facts of any problems dust has with vehicle and av balance why don't you actually try coming up with a constructive comment once in a while and maybe just maybe we can fix this to everyones benefit. who knows maybe in the future we can put the whole issue behind us and joke about how we all got it wrong in the beginning. is it really that hard to compromise or suggest ideas for alternatives. if we all got with the programme and actually tried to work together and fix these issues then we would all be happier with the outcome. everything i have ever suggested is open to constructive criticism, suggestions and changes. try working with other players to come up with ideas instead of taking them at face value I will logi the s* out of you https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Sev Alcatraz Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 574	Posted - 2014.04.18 13:30:00 - [46] - Quote I think infantry should only get 1 wp for killing my 300k isk tank closed beta Vet "The mashed up corpses of red Berrys make for great track lube"
The Attorney General 2613	Posted - 2014.04.18 13:32:00 - [47] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: i find it astonishing that some (not all) tankers can never come up with any compromise. instead they resort to spouting nonsense to try and make a point ignoring the facts of any problems dust has with vehicle and av balance Some of us have been doing it for many months. Not that you would know, you probably only frequent the "Tanks are OP threads" Seriously, you lost any chance of me taking you seriously with that BS about effort. Get your head out of your ass. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3411	Posted - 2014.04.18 13:41:00 - [48] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Whut? So if i fit up to kill infantry i still only get 25 WP even tho i fitted it up to kill infantry and made myself weaker to vehicles? makes no sense Effort, i still have to aim and WP is based on actions done and completing them rewards players with WP Last i checked i dont get WP based on effort Infantry can solo a tank, i know i have done it, i have seen it done, it may or may not be easy depending on the player but it can be done combined with assist points and full all round visibility your infantry killing potential is higher. there is no reason why they couldnt up assist points made by the small turrets on your vehicle to compensate you. but when that enemy tank turns up you have to run not just switch targets like you do now. alternatively if your anti tank, tank you should be rewarded more for killing a tank and less for killing infantry. effort is not, having to aim your weapon. effort is not, landing 1-2 shots and killing any infantry in your path.there is 99.9% more effort put in by infantry to kill a tank than a tank has to put in to kill infantry thinking about it maybe tank on tank kills should only reward 50wp. at the end of the day its no more effort for tank on tank than infantry on infantry and costs nearly the same amount of isk and effort Obv doesnt tank If im blaster and killing infantry if another tank turns up i can either attack it or retreat, generally that other tank is a railgun which is 200m away from me meaning i have to run because its raw DPS will whack the everloving ** out of a blaster Its not just oh a tank lets switch and its dead So aiming requires no effort - same goes for infantry 1-2 shots - well it is a large blaster which deals 100dmg per shot, do you really think a meatbag scout would survive 10 if them? 99.9% - Really? So what percent am i at when i 1 shot a tank with a proto breach FG? So then how about every action just gives you 1WP no matter what you do then, just nerf the ** out of everything since everything requires no effort You are still spouting your nonsense about 1 shotting tanks with the proto breach? Let's again visit the only mathematically possible way that is possible. You have a Proto breach forge gun with prof 5 and two complex damage mods. You have to hit an unhardened HAV that has no plates or extenders equipped, and it HAS to be in the fuel cells. That is the only possible way to 1 shot an HAV that is untouched. Oh yea, and only on one of the tanks is this possible. Stop spouting your fuckin lies. Its not lies I have done it and ive seen others do it It can be done and just because you cant do it doesnt mean it cant be done
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3411	Posted - 2014.04.18 13:42:00 - [49] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: i find it astonishing that some (not all) tankers can never come up with any compromise. instead they resort to spouting nonsense to try and make a point ignoring the facts of any problems dust has with vehicle and av balance why don't you actually try coming up with a constructive comment once in a while and maybe just maybe we can fix this to everyones benefit. who knows maybe in the future we can put the whole issue behind us and joke about how we all got it wrong in the beginning. is it really that hard to compromise or suggest ideas for alternatives. if we all got with the programme and actually tried to work together and fix these issues then we would all be happier with the outcome. everything i have ever suggested is open to constructive criticism, suggestions and changes. try working with other players to come up with ideas instead of taking them at face value My alternative Part 1: Engineering & Capacitors Part 2: Armor & Shield Part 3: Modules & Skills Part 4: Vehicles Part 5: Overview
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12860	Posted - 2014.04.18 13:51:00 - [50] - Quote Not technically on topic, but the only nerf mlt vehicles need is to be forced to fit small turrets. Want a tanky vehicle? Skill into it. My DUST 514 Music Videos Solo Incubus pilot, superb expert of wallet depletion

ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 1258	Posted - 2014.04.18 13:52:00 - [51] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: i find it astonishing that some (not all) tankers can never come up with any compromise. instead they resort to spouting nonsense to try and make a point ignoring the facts of any problems dust has with vehicle and av balance Some of us have been doing it for many months. Not that you would know, you probably only frequent the "Tanks are OP threads" Seriously, you lost any chance of me taking you seriously with that BS about effort. Get your head out of your ass. seems i'm not the one with my head up my arse. you ever read any of my other posts i have always been on the side of balance and all my posts have reflected this. you assumption that i'm "anti tank" and believe they are OP couldn't be further from the truth. i believe the balance is all wrong and any suggestion i have ever made are just that, suggestions or possible solutions. im here making suggestions. if they are good or bad is irrelevant. what matters is im trying to find a solution. you are not with your trolling and personal attacks. in the past i may have joked about removing tanks in a post or 2 but that was purely to highlight a point in that thread and never on the tables.there is a difference. I will logi the s* out of you https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 529	Posted - 2014.04.18 13:54:00 - [52] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Duran Lex wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Whut? So if i fit up to kill infantry i still only get 25 WP even tho i fitted it up to kill infantry and made myself weaker to vehicles? makes no sense Effort, i still have to aim and WP is based on actions done and completing them rewards players with WP Last i checked i dont get WP based on effort Infantry can solo a tank, i know i have done it, i have seen it done, it may or may not be easy depending on the player but it can be done combined with assist points and full all round visibility your infantry killing potential is higher. there is no reason why they couldnt up assist points made by the small turrets on your vehicle to compensate you. but when that enemy tank turns up you have to run not just switch targets like you do now. alternatively if your anti tank, tank you should be rewarded more for killing a tank and less for killing infantry. effort is not, having to aim your weapon. effort is not, landing 1-2 shots and killing any infantry in your path.there is 99.9% more effort put in by infantry to kill a tank than a tank has to put in to kill infantry thinking about it maybe tank on tank kills should only reward 50wp. at the end of the day its no more effort for tank on tank than infantry on infantry and costs nearly the same amount of isk and effort Obv doesnt tank If im blaster and killing infantry if another tank turns up i can either attack it or retreat, generally that other tank is a railgun which is 200m away from me meaning i have to run because its raw DPS will whack the everloving ** out of a blaster Its not just oh a tank lets switch and its dead So aiming requires no effort - same goes for infantry 1-2 shots - well it is a large blaster which deals 100dmg per shot, do you really think a meatbag scout would survive 10 if them? 99.9% - Really? So what percent am i at when i 1 shot a tank with a proto breach FG? So then how about every action just gives you 1WP no matter what you do then, just nerf the ** out of everything since everything requires no effort You are still spouting your nonsense about 1 shotting tanks with the proto breach? Let's again visit the only mathematically possible way that is possible. You have a Proto breach forge gun with prof 5 and two complex damage mods. You have to hit an unhardened HAV that has no plates or extenders equipped, and it HAS to be in the fuel cells. That is the only possible way to 1 shot an HAV that is untouched. Oh yea, and only on one of the tanks is this possible. Stop spouting your fuckin lies. Its not lies I have done it and ive seen others do it It can be done and just because you cant do it doesnt mean it cant be done Ill vouch for it being possible. I can two- shot unfitted militia tanks with my trip-mod cal-sent IAFG. The problem is finding one of those terrible tanks is akin to winning the lottery while getting struck by lightning. And then I feel bad. Poor little Newberry. He has no idea what he's doing. Deciphering the truth from a web of lies is far easier than you'd think. Especially if you're a bureaucrat.
Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 716	Posted - 2014.04.18 14:17:00 - [53] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Duran Lex wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Whut? So if i fit up to kill infantry i still only get 25 WP even tho i fitted it up to kill infantry and made myself weaker to vehicles? makes no sense Effort, i still have to aim and WP is based on actions done and completing them rewards players with WP Last i checked i dont get WP based on effort Infantry can solo a tank, i know i have done it, i have seen it done, it may or may not be easy depending on the player but it can be done combined with assist points and full all round visibility your infantry killing potential is higher. there is no reason why they couldnt up assist points made by the small turrets on your vehicle to compensate you. but when that enemy tank turns up you have to run not just switch targets like you do now. alternatively if your anti tank, tank you should be rewarded more for killing a tank and less for killing infantry. effort is not, having to aim your weapon. effort is not, landing 1-2 shots and killing any infantry in your path.there is 99.9% more effort put in by infantry to kill a tank than a tank has to put in to kill infantry thinking about it maybe tank on tank kills should only reward 50wp. at the end of the day its no more effort for tank on tank than infantry on infantry and costs nearly the same amount of isk and effort Obv doesnt tank If im blaster and killing infantry if another tank turns up i can either attack it or retreat, generally that other tank is a railgun which is 200m away from me meaning i have to run because its raw DPS will whack the everloving ** out of a blaster Its not just oh a tank lets switch and its dead So aiming requires no effort - same goes for infantry 1-2 shots - well it is a large blaster which deals 100dmg per shot, do you really think a meatbag scout would survive 10 if them? 99.9% - Really? So what percent am i at when i 1 shot a tank with a proto breach FG? So then how about every action just gives you 1WP no matter what you do then, just nerf the out of everything since everything requires no effort You are still spouting your nonsense about 1 shotting tanks with the proto breach? Let's again visit the only mathematically possible way that is possible. You have a Proto breach forge gun with prof 5 and two complex damage mods. You have to hit an unhardened HAV that has no plates or extenders equipped, and it HAS to be in the fuel cells. That is the only possible way to 1 shot an HAV that is untouched. Oh yea, and only on one of the tanks is this possible. Stop spouting your fuckin lies. Its not lies I have done it and ive seen others do it It can be done and just because you cant do it doesnt mean it cant be done Yes it can be done, in one single scenario. One that requires tanks to not equip a single plate or extender and the FG user to have max lvl prof and 2 complex damage mods, and then ONLY on the weak spot. So unless you are constantly going up against HAVs that don't use plates or extenders, you are full of **. I'm not giving you hypothetical scenarios, I'm telling you the only possible way you can one shot an HAV mathematically, and In bullshit fashion you yet again sidestep the fact that you are flat out wrong.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3411	Posted - 2014.04.18 14:33:00 - [54] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: Yes it can be done, in one single scenario. One that requires tanks to not equip a single plate or extender and the FG user to have max lvl prof and 2 complex damage mods, and then ONLY on the weak spot. So unless you are constantly going up against HAVs that don't use plates or extenders, you are full of ****. I'm not giving you hypothetical scenarios, I'm telling you the only possible way you can one shot an HAV mathematically, and In bullshit fashion you yet again sidestep the fact that you are flat out wrong. Wrong again Ive done it numerous times and the kicker is i only have prof 3 So take your maths and shove it up your arse because your doing it wrong since in game its working for me
Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 717	Posted - 2014.04.18 14:39:00 - [55] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Duran Lex wrote: Yes it can be done, in one single scenario. One that requires tanks to not equip a single plate or extender and the FG user to have max lvl prof and 2 complex damage mods, and then ONLY on the weak spot. So unless you are constantly going up against HAVs that don't use plates or extenders, you are full of ****. I'm not giving you hypothetical scenarios, I'm telling you the only possible way you can one shot an HAV mathematically, and In bullshit fashion you yet again sidestep the fact that you are flat out wrong. Wrong again Ive done it numerous times and the kicker is i only have prof 3 So take your maths and shove it up your arse because your doing it wrong since in game its working for me Then you aren't one shotting an untouched HAV, you are getting the last shot off for a kill. There's a difference. it's literally impossible to one shot an HAV at full ehp outside of the aforementioned scenario. it's fact. Get over it.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12864	Posted - 2014.04.18 14:41:00 - [56] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Duran Lex wrote: Yes it can be done, in one single scenario. One that requires tanks to not equip a single plate or extender and the FG user to have max lvl prof and 2 complex damage mods, and then ONLY on the weak spot. So unless you are constantly going up against HAVs that don't use plates or extenders, you are full of ****. I'm not giving you hypothetical scenarios, I'm telling you the only possible way you can one shot an HAV mathematically, and In bullshit fashion you yet again sidestep the fact that you are flat out wrong. Wrong again Ive done it numerous times and the kicker is i only have prof 3 So take your maths and shove it up your arse because your doing it wrong since in game its working for me Then you aren't one shotting an untouched HAV, you are getting the last shot off for a kill. There's a difference. it's literally impossible to one shot an HAV at full ehp outside of the aforementioned scenario. it's fact. Get over it. Didn't you know? Whatever Taka says is true. He doesn't play by your rules. Everyone knows math is a farce, taka is the only truth My DUST 514 Music Videos Solo Incubus pilot, superb expert of wallet depletion
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3411	Posted - 2014.04.18 14:48:00 - [57] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Duran Lex wrote: Yes it can be done, in one single scenario. One that requires tanks to not equip a single plate or extender and the FG user to have max lvl prof and 2 complex damage mods, and then ONLY on the weak spot. So unless you are constantly going up against HAVs that don't use plates or extenders, you are full of ****. I'm not giving you hypothetical scenarios, I'm telling you the only possible way you can one shot an HAV mathematically, and In bullshit fashion you yet again sidestep the fact that you are flat out wrong. Wrong again Ive done it numerous times and the kicker is i only have prof 3 So take your maths and shove it up your arse because your doing it wrong since in game its working for me Then you aren't one shotting an untouched HAV, you are getting the last shot off for a kill. There's a difference. it's literally impossible to one shot an HAV at full ehp outside of the aforementioned scenario. it's fact. Get over it. Wrong again I am the only 1 who shoots and when its fired the tank blows up and i have done this quite a few times Generally when im aiming at a tank the stats will show up, some tanks have had full hp of both shield and armor, some may just have the shield knocked off but i have killed full HP tanks You may not like it but it has happened
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12865	Posted - 2014.04.18 14:55:00 - [58] - Quote You wont have any problems loading some video then. If you can't record im sure someone would be happy to help you. I look forward to watching your evidence, since you obviously aren't talking out your ass. My DUST 514 Music Videos Solo Incubus pilot, superb expert of wallet depletion
Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 717	Posted - 2014.04.18 15:01:00 - [59] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Duran Lex wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Duran Lex wrote: Yes it can be done, in one single scenario. One that requires tanks to not equip a single plate or extender and the FG user to have max lvl prof and 2 complex damage mods, and then ONLY on the weak spot. So unless you are constantly going up against HAVs that don't use plates or extenders, you are full of ****. I'm not giving you hypothetical scenarios, I'm telling you the only possible way you can one shot an HAV mathematically, and In bullshit fashion you yet again sidestep the fact that you are flat out wrong. Wrong again Ive done it numerous times and the kicker is i only have prof 3 So take your maths and shove it up your arse because your doing it wrong since in game its working for me Then you aren't one shotting an untouched HAV, you are getting the last shot off for a kill. There's a difference. it's literally impossible to one shot an HAV at full ehp outside of the aforementioned scenario. it's fact. Get over it. Wrong again I am the only 1 who shoots and when its fired the tank blows up and i have done this quite a few times Generally when im aiming at a tank the stats will show up, some tanks have had full hp of both shield and armor, some may just have the shield knocked off but i have killed full HP tanks You may not like it but it has happened /sigh It must be an amazing feeling to repeat a lie so many times you actually began believing it.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3413	Posted - 2014.04.18 15:15:00 - [60] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: You wont have any problems loading some video then. If you can't record im sure someone would be happy to help you. I look forward to watching your evidence, since you obviously aren't talking out your ass. Could do with some testing on a PC district tbh but all the times i have done it has been in pubs in various situations



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