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Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1240	Posted - 2014.02.15 20:34:00 - [1] - Quote Its unbalanced when a tank can go so FAST. This is not The FAST and the Furious 514. Infantry moves at 5m to 7m. Reduce the tanks speed to 19m Problem solved. Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
ALT2 acc The Phoenix Federation Proficiency V. 91	Posted - 2014.02.15 20:35:00 - [2] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Its unbalanced when a tank can go so FAST. This is not The FAST and the Furious 514. Infantry moves at 5m to 7m. Reduce the tanks speed to 19m Problem solved. Or nerf nitros.......
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2240	Posted - 2014.02.15 20:37:00 - [3] - Quote I was pretty shocked when they said tanks were getting a speed buff. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Ayures II Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 503	Posted - 2014.02.15 20:43:00 - [4] - Quote If you want the realism argument, for realsies tanks can move pretty damned fast. An Abrams can hit 25 MPH offroad and 40 on pavement.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1246	Posted - 2014.02.15 20:54:00 - [5] - Quote Ayures II wrote: If you want the realism argument, for realsies tanks can move pretty damned fast. An Abrams can hit 25 MPH offroad and 40 on pavement. Is that faster than my sports car? NO. Even using a RL argument FAILS in that an Abrams is not faster than a sports car. Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
FarQue FromAfar Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 11	Posted - 2014.02.15 21:10:00 - [6] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Its unbalanced when a tank can go so FAST. This is not The FAST and the Furious 514. Infantry moves at 5m to 7m. Reduce the tanks speed to 19m Problem solved. Ya because in the future technology has gone BACKWARDS.... and tanks and dropships are meant to be blown away at deployment with a marshmallow shooting rainbow maker....
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2083	Posted - 2014.02.15 21:12:00 - [7] - Quote Tanks need to either be strong and powerful, but slow Fast and strong, but low damage. Fast and powerful, but are weak. Not all 3! No idea on my guns right now. Getting majority to level 3 at least, then deciding. Proud member of RND
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 1209	Posted - 2014.02.15 21:15:00 - [8] - Quote FarQue FromAfar wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Its unbalanced when a tank can go so FAST. This is not The FAST and the Furious 514. Infantry moves at 5m to 7m. Reduce the tanks speed to 19m Problem solved. Ya because in the future technology has gone BACKWARDS.... and tanks and dropships are meant to be blown away at deployment with a marshmallow shooting rainbow maker.... You tankers are all the same. You only want to be killed by stuff that isn't in the game for regular merc's to use. You'll see one day when I get my rainbow maker and there will be hell to pay, buddy!
R F Gyro Clones 4u 1177	Posted - 2014.02.15 21:16:00 - [9] - Quote People, stop trying to use "realism" as a game balance argument. This is a game. It should be balanced first, realistic where it doesn't impact that balance. RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
Smooth Assassin Stardust Incorporation IMMORTAL REGIME 866	Posted - 2014.02.15 21:18:00 - [10] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: I was pretty shocked when they said tanks were getting a speed buff. Wink faster than a LAV baby *Assassination is my thing.*

Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1247	Posted - 2014.02.15 21:22:00 - [11] - Quote Hey CCP it looks like LYING. "We reduced infantry speed and bonuses from modules due to frame rates" Anyone remember when kin cats were 25% instead of 12%?? And then CCP gives tanks a speed boost. They were LYING about the reason to cut infantry speed ?????? Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
R F Gyro Clones 4u 1184	Posted - 2014.02.15 21:41:00 - [12] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Hey CCP it looks like LYING. "We reduced infantry speed and bonuses from modules due to frame rates" Anyone remember when kin cats were 25% instead of 12%?? And then CCP gives tanks a speed boost. They were LYING about the reason to cut infantry speed ?????? Oh, stop it. Different people, different situations, different times. At worst its inconsistency, or confusion. "Lying" is saying something you know to be untrue at the time. RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1578	Posted - 2014.02.15 21:43:00 - [13] - Quote ALT2 acc wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Its unbalanced when a tank can go so FAST. This is not The FAST and the Furious 514. Infantry moves at 5m to 7m. Reduce the tanks speed to 19m Problem solved. Or nerf nitros....... Or give us web grenades and the ability for passengers to fire handheld weapons from LAVS(better yer give us speeders with a coast mode). I support SP rollover.
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 73	Posted - 2014.02.15 21:50:00 - [14] - Quote DUST tanks are slow and weak by RL standards. An earlier reply was waaaaay off. An Abrams can go 60 mph pretty much anywhere. It can jump like an enduro car and hit anything within a mile while driving like a pro stadium truck. Back right after Desert Storm we had a couple on Ft Knox that had the fuel restricters removed from the turbines. 100 mph on sand. They are almost indestructible. It fears no other armored vehicle and certaintly not infantry, mechanized or otherwise. Of course they cost like 25mil....... DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Star Citizen is what EVE should have been.
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 358	Posted - 2014.02.15 21:52:00 - [15] - Quote My biggest issue with HAV speeds: no momentum. HAVs can stop dead in the space of a metre and can go from 0 -> 100 in that same distance. HAVs need to actually slow down and stop, momentum would carry them a ways or at least cause substantial bouncing and other issues (like aiming when your HAV is shuddering like a freezing Alzheimers sufferer.)
Slen Kaleth BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 100	Posted - 2014.02.15 21:55:00 - [16] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Ayures II wrote: If you want the realism argument, for realsies tanks can move pretty damned fast. An Abrams can hit 25 MPH offroad and 40 on pavement. Is that faster than my sports car? NO. Even using a RL argument FAILS in that an Abrams is not faster than a sports car. Tanks are currently maxed at about 55 mph (24m/s), and with a 30% boost that is about 72. Not nearly as fast as a sports car.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1249	Posted - 2014.02.15 22:05:00 - [17] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: DUST tanks are slow and weak by RL standards. An earlier reply was waaaaay off. An Abrams can go 60 mph pretty much anywhere. It can jump like an enduro car and hit anything within a mile while driving like a pro stadium truck. Back right after Desert Storm we had a couple on Ft Knox that had the fuel restricters removed from the turbines. 100 mph on sand. They are almost indestructible. It fears no other armored vehicle and certaintly not infantry, mechanized or otherwise. Of course they cost like 25mil....... SO?? Can they outrun my sports car? In Dust they can. Can they outrun a missile thats either laserguided or opticfiber guided?? In Dust they can. Can they survive an arty strike?? In dust they can. Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1251	Posted - 2014.02.15 22:09:00 - [18] - Quote Slen Kaleth wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Ayures II wrote: If you want the realism argument, for realsies tanks can move pretty damned fast. An Abrams can hit 25 MPH offroad and 40 on pavement. Is that faster than my sports car? NO. Even using a RL argument FAILS in that an Abrams is not faster than a sports car. Tanks are currently maxed at about 55 mph (24m/s), and with a 30% boost that is about 72. Not nearly as fast as a sports car. They OUTRUN a light vehicle. They OUTRUN swarm missiles. Dust Tanks are too FAST. Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1251	Posted - 2014.02.15 22:14:00 - [19] - Quote R F Gyro wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Hey CCP it looks like LYING. "We reduced infantry speed and bonuses from modules due to frame rates" Anyone remember when kin cats were 25% instead of 12%?? And then CCP gives tanks a speed boost. They were LYING about the reason to cut infantry speed ?????? Oh, stop it. Different people, different situations, different times. At worst its inconsistency, or confusion. "Lying" is saying something you know to be untrue at the time. I knew it was untrue at the time. Since why were dropships able to go faster but infantry gets told the kincats and cardios get nerfed due to framerates?? We get warp speed tanks showing it was a lie or at best someone not wanting to fess up?? Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
FarQue FromAfar Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 14	Posted - 2014.02.15 22:16:00 - [20] - Quote Matticus Monk wrote: FarQue FromAfar wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Its unbalanced when a tank can go so FAST. This is not The FAST and the Furious 514. Infantry moves at 5m to 7m. Reduce the tanks speed to 19m Problem solved. Ya because in the future technology has gone BACKWARDS.... and tanks and dropships are meant to be blown away at deployment with a marshmallow shooting rainbow maker.... You tankers are all the same. You only want to be killed by stuff that isn't in the game for regular merc's to use. You'll see one day when I get my rainbow maker and there will be hell to pay, buddy! HeHe

Varjac Theobroma Montenegro PAND3M0N1UM Lokun Listamenn 160	Posted - 2014.02.15 22:19:00 - [21] - Quote Ayures II wrote: If you want the realism argument, for realsies tanks can move pretty damned fast. An Abrams can hit 25 MPH offroad and 40 on pavement. Yea, but Abrams don't shoot down Blackhawks ... Do they .... Want realism? Then remember what else is all mumbo jumbo in dust 514. FAME
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2561	Posted - 2014.02.15 22:19:00 - [22] - Quote Tanks do not outrun LAVs Tanks do not outrun swarms You are lying and last i checked my HAV is running a state of the art cold fusion reactor with a turbo added Then again maybe its my go-faster stripes which make me look fast Intelligence is OP
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 376	Posted - 2014.02.15 22:24:00 - [23] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: R F Gyro wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Hey CCP it looks like LYING. "We reduced infantry speed and bonuses from modules due to frame rates" Anyone remember when kin cats were 25% instead of 12%?? And then CCP gives tanks a speed boost. They were LYING about the reason to cut infantry speed ?????? Oh, stop it. Different people, different situations, different times. At worst its inconsistency, or confusion. "Lying" is saying something you know to be untrue at the time. I knew it was untrue at the time. Since why were dropships able to go faster but infantry gets told the kincats and cardios get nerfed due to framerates?? We get warp speed tanks showing it was a lie or at best someone not wanting to fess up?? warp drive active 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1252	Posted - 2014.02.15 22:28:00 - [24] - Quote NK Scout wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: R F Gyro wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Hey CCP it looks like LYING. "We reduced infantry speed and bonuses from modules due to frame rates" Anyone remember when kin cats were 25% instead of 12%?? And then CCP gives tanks a speed boost. They were LYING about the reason to cut infantry speed ?????? Oh, stop it. Different people, different situations, different times. At worst its inconsistency, or confusion. "Lying" is saying something you know to be untrue at the time. I knew it was untrue at the time. Since why were dropships able to go faster but infantry gets told the kincats and cardios get nerfed due to framerates?? We get warp speed tanks showing it was a lie or at best someone not wanting to fess up?? warp drive active Damn that tank is FAST!!! Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
Slen Kaleth BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 100	Posted - 2014.02.15 22:28:00 - [25] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Slen Kaleth wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Ayures II wrote: If you want the realism argument, for realsies tanks can move pretty damned fast. An Abrams can hit 25 MPH offroad and 40 on pavement. Is that faster than my sports car? NO. Even using a RL argument FAILS in that an Abrams is not faster than a sports car. Tanks are currently maxed at about 55 mph (24m/s), and with a 30% boost that is about 72. Not nearly as fast as a sports car. They OUTRUN a light vehicle. They OUTRUN swarm missiles. Dust Tanks are too FAST. First, a light vehicle is not a sport cars. Second I agree tanks are too quick. I think they needed a larger momentum factor as someone mentioned earlier.
Ivy Zalinto Bobbit's Hangmen 305	Posted - 2014.02.15 22:29:00 - [26] - Quote Nah, their speed is fine. Honestly people forget that vehicles are supposed to be much more mobile, more powerful, more imposing and much more dangerous than a single soldier. Or even a group of them for that matter. A tank can take on a few targets at a time yes but the only way that they get going from 0 to running speed is through their nitros. Thats actually why I run a gunnlogi. Better acceleration with a bit lower top speed. Tanks move slower than lav's and faster than infantry...every game is like this. Use cover more and you wont have to deal with them as much... Dedicated Stealth Scout. Scout instructor; Learning Coalition Scrambler Pistol dedication
Dheez Kinsho Swords Caldari State 68	Posted - 2014.02.15 22:30:00 - [27] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Hey CCP it looks like LYING. "We reduced infantry speed and bonuses from modules due to frame rates" Anyone remember when kin cats were 25% instead of 12%?? And then CCP gives tanks a speed boost. They were LYING about the reason to cut infantry speed ?????? Because CCP servers can handle (process, compute) 10 fast moving vehicles as opposed to 32 fast moving infantry. Current HAV's are New Edens iteration of Fred Flinstones carGÇª As hard as a Rock and can go 0 to 60 in 2 seconds.
FarQue FromAfar Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 15	Posted - 2014.02.15 22:33:00 - [28] - Quote Varjac Theobroma Montenegro wrote: Ayures II wrote: If you want the realism argument, for realsies tanks can move pretty damned fast. An Abrams can hit 25 MPH offroad and 40 on pavement. Yea, but Abrams don't shoot down Blackhawks ... Do they .... Want realism? Then remember what else is all mumbo jumbo in dust 514. Um Blackhawks are American helicopters , but to answer your question, yes a M1 Abrams could potentially shoot down a Blackhawk with the main turret. It does hit other helicopters and has even hit IED cesnas mid flight.... It has a tracking system that can maintain a target while going 60 mph over rough terrain. Also in the 14 series of army MOS is one called 14R, or 14 Romeo, and they are using a system mounted on the M1 Abrams that is surface to air, and VERY deadly.
Slen Kaleth BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 102	Posted - 2014.02.15 22:37:00 - [29] - Quote Ivy Zalinto wrote: Nah, their speed is fine. Honestly people forget that vehicles are supposed to be much more mobile, more powerful, more imposing and much more dangerous than a single soldier. Or even a group of them for that matter. A tank can take on a few targets at a time yes but the only way that they get going from 0 to running speed is through their nitros. Thats actually why I run a gunnlogi. Better acceleration with a bit lower top speed. Tanks move slower than lav's and faster than infantry...every game is like this. Use cover more and you wont have to deal with them as much... Maybe if the matches are not limited to 16v16. When one player can easily become a force multiplier in a limited number game then the only real counter is to use the same gear. How is that balanced? I would be more in favor of tanks as is now if there was more of a penalty to the team that loses on, say multiple clones are lost vice the one is now, assuming the pilot dies with it. If it is suppose to take 3+ mercs working as a team to kill a tank than the lose of a tank should feel like 3+ lost to the team.
Varjac Theobroma Montenegro PAND3M0N1UM Lokun Listamenn 162	Posted - 2014.02.15 22:40:00 - [30] - Quote Ivy Zalinto wrote: Nah, their speed is fine. Honestly people forget that vehicles are supposed to be much more mobile, more powerful, more imposing and much more dangerous than a single soldier. Or even a group of them for that matter. A tank can take on a few targets at a time yes but the only way that they get going from 0 to running speed is through their nitros. Thats actually why I run a gunnlogi. Better acceleration with a bit lower top speed. Tanks move slower than lav's and faster than infantry...every game is like this. Use cover more and you wont have to deal with them as much... It's not just their interaction with infantry, it's everything. As an ADS pilot it is ridiculous trying to do anything with a tank on the field. Should I get a vision block, the tank is able to traverse the field so quick that if I don't constantly watch his location, he will sneak up and cost me 450k isk. WTF?! Where is the benefit to using an ADS? Some people may go 30 and 0, but then they probably have tank superiority too. Their is no way that they don't. So once again, tanks are interacting with meta mechanics and determining how a player can choose to use his SP. This is so frustrating from a game that is suppose to encourage diversity and personalization. FAME



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