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Th3rdSun
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Posted - 2014.02.15 00:00:00 -
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http://www.slashgear.com/playstation-3-has-2-4-years-left-in-it-according-to-sony-11316546/
So if CCP is sticking to their guns of being "laser focused" on developing for the PS3,this game is most definitely doomed.Oh,and the whole "five year roadmap" is pretty much out the window as well.
CCP,it's PS4 or bust for this game,you have to know that,right? |
Lorhak Gannarsein
Science For Death
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Posted - 2014.02.15 00:02:00 -
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aww yisss.
This is excitement!
Happily printing ISK with permahardeners and MLT blasters.
Just let me get a couple mil more before nerf, CCP!
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Baal Roo
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.02.15 00:09:00 -
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Yeah, they should totally port to PS4 so that they can have this same problem again in 5 years down the line of their "10 year plan."
PC or bust. |
Exodeon Salviej
The Third Day
Galactic Skyfleet Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.15 00:10:00 -
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._. How is that bad news? They most likely are going to keep this game on ps3 for the next 2-4 years. And then move it over when it needs to be. Besides, that's LONGER than the ps2 lasted...MUCH longer. Even though the ps4 would be better for the game hardware wise; they wouldn't move it over instantly because of that, and that just gives me all the more reason to wait a while before I get a ps4. I won't be buying one unless it has DUST on it. ._.
Your face is something to shoot, so I will shoot. Don't be offended, I do it to everyone.
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Zirzo Valcyn
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.15 00:12:00 -
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wont even care because i'll be playing planetside2 by then, this is just a place holder until that time
u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll.
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Th3rdSun
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Posted - 2014.02.15 00:18:00 -
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Exodeon Salviej wrote:._. How is that bad news? They most likely are going to keep this game on ps3 for the next 2-4 years. And then move it over when it needs to be. Besides, that's LONGER than the ps2 lasted...MUCH longer. Even though the ps4 would be better for the game hardware wise; they wouldn't move it over instantly because of that, and that just gives me all the more reason to wait a while before I get a ps4. I won't be buying one unless it has DUST on it. ._.
What are you talking about? the PS2 was finally discontinued January of last year,which was just over 12 years after the first console hit the shelves here in North America.If the PS3 goes another four years,that's 12 years after it's launch.Math fail. |
Midas Fool
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2014.02.15 00:22:00 -
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LASER FOCUSEDGäó
+25 Kill Assist...+25 Kill Assist...+25 Kill Assist...NO HOW WHY
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Michael Arck
Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu
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Posted - 2014.02.15 00:23:00 -
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*Shrugs* And?
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
For the State!!
[email protected]
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
1969
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Posted - 2014.02.15 00:30:00 -
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except moving from PS3 to PS4 will require very little work since the PS4 supports the U3 engine.
All they have to do is rejig the input to accept the DS4 over DS3.
Dust will encounter problems when they decide to go from a U3/Carbon hybrid to a U4/Carbon hybrid.
That will require a new build, moving to PS4 3 years down the line won't.
Spkr4thedead: Me > AV
This is why tanks are unbalanced
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.
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Lucrezia LeGrand
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Posted - 2014.02.15 00:30:00 -
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come on! everyone knows that they're secretly working on a ps4 version. It would be dumb not to, and I think they've dropped enough hints to say it is a possibility.
Thale groupie
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Cpl Foster USMC
Alpha Response Command
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Posted - 2014.02.15 00:35:00 -
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"2, 3,or 4 years left" sounds exactly like a CCP answer....
in other words people are working on it, but he has no clue..
and neither do we.... |
Jacques Cayton II
Providence Guard
Templis CALSF
597
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Posted - 2014.02.15 00:36:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Yeah, they should totally port to PS4 so that they can have this same problem again in 5 years down the line of their "10 year plan."
PC or bust.
on pc it would have same problems the problem is vacation days. Btw ps4 can play planetside two in what was it super mode or something? whatever it can run on that a ok but some pcs cant s shush
We fight for the future of the State not our
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
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Posted - 2014.02.15 00:36:00 -
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Lucrezia LeGrand wrote:come on! everyone knows that they're secretly working on a ps4 version. It would be dumb not to, and I think they've dropped enough hints to say it is a possibility.
They confirmed they have ONE team working on getting the current build to work on PS4 but they are certainly in no rush and you are gonna see overnight improvements between the two.
Spkr4thedead: Me > AV
This is why tanks are unbalanced
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
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Posted - 2014.02.15 00:37:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Yeah, they should totally port to PS4 so that they can have this same problem again in 5 years down the line of their "10 year plan."
PC or bust.
100% agree
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
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Posted - 2014.02.15 00:39:00 -
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Th3rdSun wrote:http://www.slashgear.com/playstation-3-has-2-4-years-left-in-it-according-to-sony-11316546/
So if CCP is sticking to their guns of being "laser focused" on developing for the PS3,this game is most definitely doomed.Oh,and the whole "five year roadmap" is pretty much out the window as well.
CCP,it's PS4 or bust for this game,you have to know that,right?
None of the (now old) generation of consoles are going to even last this long. Mobile is going to eat the console market alive in under two years.
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Th3rdSun
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Posted - 2014.02.15 00:42:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Lucrezia LeGrand wrote:come on! everyone knows that they're secretly working on a ps4 version. It would be dumb not to, and I think they've dropped enough hints to say it is a possibility. They confirmed they have ONE team working on getting the current build to work on PS4 but they are certainly in no rush and you are gonna see overnight improvements between the two.
Link please. |
Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
1971
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Posted - 2014.02.15 00:43:00 -
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Th3rdSun wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Lucrezia LeGrand wrote:come on! everyone knows that they're secretly working on a ps4 version. It would be dumb not to, and I think they've dropped enough hints to say it is a possibility. They confirmed they have ONE team working on getting the current build to work on PS4 but they are certainly in no rush and you are gonna see overnight improvements between the two. Link please.
Dunno, search it.
Spkr4thedead: Me > AV
This is why tanks are unbalanced
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.
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Th3rdSun
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Posted - 2014.02.15 00:45:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Th3rdSun wrote:http://www.slashgear.com/playstation-3-has-2-4-years-left-in-it-according-to-sony-11316546/
So if CCP is sticking to their guns of being "laser focused" on developing for the PS3,this game is most definitely doomed.Oh,and the whole "five year roadmap" is pretty much out the window as well.
CCP,it's PS4 or bust for this game,you have to know that,right? None of the (now old) generation of consoles are going to even last this long. Mobile is going to eat the console market alive in under two years.
I'll take that bet,with real world currency too,not ISK.
There's no way that the mobile market is going to dominate the console market.While it is successful,it's not going to lure the hardcore gamers away from their consoles and PCs.
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Th3rdSun
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Posted - 2014.02.15 00:46:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Th3rdSun wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Lucrezia LeGrand wrote:come on! everyone knows that they're secretly working on a ps4 version. It would be dumb not to, and I think they've dropped enough hints to say it is a possibility. They confirmed they have ONE team working on getting the current build to work on PS4 but they are certainly in no rush and you are gonna see overnight improvements between the two. Link please. Dunno, search it.
Hey,you made the statement,you have to back up your claims,because I'm calling BS on it.
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pyramidhead 420
Carbon 7
CRONOS.
323
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Posted - 2014.02.15 00:46:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Th3rdSun wrote:http://www.slashgear.com/playstation-3-has-2-4-years-left-in-it-according-to-sony-11316546/
So if CCP is sticking to their guns of being "laser focused" on developing for the PS3,this game is most definitely doomed.Oh,and the whole "five year roadmap" is pretty much out the window as well.
CCP,it's PS4 or bust for this game,you have to know that,right? None of the (now old) generation of consoles are going to even last this long. Mobile is going to eat the console market alive in under two years.
moble? i almost spit my food out from laughter. get real kid, only 10 year olds play games on mommies ipad.
and OP is a fool if you dont think ps3 will being going strong well past 4 years. free online play is huge for people with little money or kids to young to have a consistent cash flow
moble.....hahahahah, is that you onya?
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Baal Roo
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.02.15 00:46:00 -
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Jacques Cayton II wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Yeah, they should totally port to PS4 so that they can have this same problem again in 5 years down the line of their "10 year plan."
PC or bust. on pc it would have same problems the problem is vacation days. Btw ps4 can play planetside two in what was it super mode or something? whatever it can run on that a ok but some pcs cant s shush
Could you maybe try that again in english?
The problem I'm pointing out is that PS4 is basically a low-end budget level PC. Unlike PS3, which was actually sold at a loss and on par with relatively high-end PCs at the time, the PS4 isn't likely going to have the same sort of long term shelf life.
For a company that wants to have a "long term vision" for their game, spending all of that time porting to a system that's already limited in what it can offer and expected to be replaced again before their "vision" for the game is fully realized doesn't make a lot of sense. They've already made this mistake once, it would be kind of ridiculous to see them make it a second time.
My intent here isn't to disparage the PS4, I'm just pointing out the potential problem of moving to PS4 for this particular sort of project. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2864
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Posted - 2014.02.15 00:48:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Th3rdSun wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Lucrezia LeGrand wrote:come on! everyone knows that they're secretly working on a ps4 version. It would be dumb not to, and I think they've dropped enough hints to say it is a possibility. They confirmed they have ONE team working on getting the current build to work on PS4 but they are certainly in no rush and you are gonna see overnight improvements between the two. Link please. Dunno, search it.
I don't believe they've made any statements about working on PS4.
ML Director
Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
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Th3rdSun
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Posted - 2014.02.15 00:50:00 -
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pyramidhead 420 wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Th3rdSun wrote:http://www.slashgear.com/playstation-3-has-2-4-years-left-in-it-according-to-sony-11316546/
So if CCP is sticking to their guns of being "laser focused" on developing for the PS3,this game is most definitely doomed.Oh,and the whole "five year roadmap" is pretty much out the window as well.
CCP,it's PS4 or bust for this game,you have to know that,right? None of the (now old) generation of consoles are going to even last this long. Mobile is going to eat the console market alive in under two years. moble? i almost spit my food out from laughter. get real kid, only 10 year olds play games on mommies ipad. and OP is a fool if you dont think ps3 will being going strong well past 4 years. free online play is huge for people with little money or kids to young to have a consistent cash flow moble.....hahahahah, is that you onya?
Might be going,but not strong,and I didn't write the article so WTF are you attacking me for?
My point is that if PSN on PS3 goes away,and CCP is still "laser focused" on the PS3,then they need ot get their heads out of their asses and work on getting this game on a console that can actually handle it's high demands,and they need to get working on that yesterday. |
Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
705
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Posted - 2014.02.15 00:51:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Th3rdSun wrote:http://www.slashgear.com/playstation-3-has-2-4-years-left-in-it-according-to-sony-11316546/
So if CCP is sticking to their guns of being "laser focused" on developing for the PS3,this game is most definitely doomed.Oh,and the whole "five year roadmap" is pretty much out the window as well.
CCP,it's PS4 or bust for this game,you have to know that,right? None of the (now old) generation of consoles are going to even last this long. Mobile is going to eat the console market alive in under two years.
Is that you Pachter?
Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
1971
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Posted - 2014.02.15 00:53:00 -
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Th3rdSun wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Th3rdSun wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Lucrezia LeGrand wrote:come on! everyone knows that they're secretly working on a ps4 version. It would be dumb not to, and I think they've dropped enough hints to say it is a possibility. They confirmed they have ONE team working on getting the current build to work on PS4 but they are certainly in no rush and you are gonna see overnight improvements between the two. Link please. Dunno, search it. Hey,you made the statement,you have to back up your claims,because I'm calling BS on it.
So?
Wether you believe me or not, is not my concern. I saw it here somewhere, if YOU call BS YOU go find it.
No offence, but I'm not gonna trawl through months of forum backlog for 3 line post.
Spkr4thedead: Me > AV
This is why tanks are unbalanced
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.
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pyramidhead 420
Carbon 7
CRONOS.
323
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Posted - 2014.02.15 00:53:00 -
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Th3rdSun wrote:pyramidhead 420 wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Th3rdSun wrote:http://www.slashgear.com/playstation-3-has-2-4-years-left-in-it-according-to-sony-11316546/
So if CCP is sticking to their guns of being "laser focused" on developing for the PS3,this game is most definitely doomed.Oh,and the whole "five year roadmap" is pretty much out the window as well.
CCP,it's PS4 or bust for this game,you have to know that,right? None of the (now old) generation of consoles are going to even last this long. Mobile is going to eat the console market alive in under two years. moble? i almost spit my food out from laughter. get real kid, only 10 year olds play games on mommies ipad. and OP is a fool if you dont think ps3 will being going strong well past 4 years. free online play is huge for people with little money or kids to young to have a consistent cash flow moble.....hahahahah, is that you onya? Might be going,but not strong,and I didn't write the article so WTF are you attacking me for? My point is that if PSN on PS3 goes away,and CCP is still "laser focused" on the PS3,then they need ot get their heads out of their asses and work on getting this game on a console that can actually handle it's high demands,and they need to get working on that yesterday.
sorry, the silly statement about moble gaming just got me going....moblle, like sega game gear? lol |
Kristoff Atruin
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.02.15 00:54:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:except moving from PS3 to PS4 will require very little work since the PS4 supports the U3 engine.
All they have to do is rejig the input to accept the DS4 over DS3.
Dust will encounter problems when they decide to go from a U3/Carbon hybrid to a U4/Carbon hybrid.
That will require a new build, moving to PS4 3 years down the line won't.
Actually, that's not really correct. It runs on a modified version of U3. They modified the engine to such a degree that they were asked to give a presentation about it at GDC. It had something to do with lighting effects. If the PS3 and PS4 had the same underlying architecture they would basically just need to copy the changes over, but because the architecture is different they'll actually need to rebuild their changes to the engine. |
Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
705
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Posted - 2014.02.15 00:54:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Yeah, they should totally port to PS4 so that they can have this same problem again in 5 years down the line of their "10 year plan."
PC or bust. on pc it would have same problems the problem is vacation days. Btw ps4 can play planetside two in what was it super mode or something? whatever it can run on that a ok but some pcs cant s shush Could you maybe try that again in english? The problem I'm pointing out is that PS4 is basically a low-end budget level PC. Unlike PS3, which was actually sold at a loss and on par with relatively high-end PCs at the time, the PS4 isn't likely going to have the same sort of long term shelf life. For a company that wants to have a "long term vision" for their game, spending all of that time porting to a system that's already limited in what it can offer and expected to be replaced again before their "vision" for the game is fully realized doesn't make a lot of sense. They've already made this mistake once, it would be kind of ridiculous to see them make it a second time. My intent here isn't to disparage the PS4, I'm just pointing out the potential problem of moving to PS4 for this particular sort of project.
The whole purpose of Dust 514 is for CCP to break into the console space. They've already got 500,000 paying PC customers, they are trying to make some money off of us console gamers.
Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
1798
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Posted - 2014.02.15 00:55:00 -
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Th3rdSun wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Th3rdSun wrote:http://www.slashgear.com/playstation-3-has-2-4-years-left-in-it-according-to-sony-11316546/
So if CCP is sticking to their guns of being "laser focused" on developing for the PS3,this game is most definitely doomed.Oh,and the whole "five year roadmap" is pretty much out the window as well.
CCP,it's PS4 or bust for this game,you have to know that,right? None of the (now old) generation of consoles are going to even last this long. Mobile is going to eat the console market alive in under two years. I'll take that bet,with real world currency too,not ISK. There's no way that the mobile market is going to dominate the console market.While it is successful,it's not going to lure the hardcore gamers away from their consoles and PCs.
Sure thing. Look me up in 2 years.
Hardcore gamers are on PC already. Consoles have, for their existence, been the low hanging fruit, i.e the cheaper, easier, lesser alternative to PCs. Guess what fills that niche now? yeah mobile. All the AAA developers are already in the process of transferring their development to where the most possible customers are - mobile. That means you're going to be seeing a lot more ports from mobile, i.e. Android, onto the consoles, just like we've seen for consoles -> PCs for the last decade.
Console users are already the minority in terms of numbers, and worse yet, they're now sandwiched between the high end PC users (small number, but willing to pay a lot) and the mobile users (very large numbers, but willing to pay less). this trend is only going to accelerate as mobile becomes more powerful.
How old is an "old" mobile device? One year? Two? Consoles can not maintain a 10, or even 5 year cycle anymore. By then, Mobile devices will out power even the current generation of consoles, let alone, the last gen.
I'm sorry, but Consoles are on their way to niche much faster that most people realize.
This is just one of the reasons that Dust should move to PC. The PC high end will likely survive for much longer.
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Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
1214
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Posted - 2014.02.15 00:58:00 -
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You know how you get off watching a train wreck plow through a ton of cars? No one? Really, just me?
Yeah, this one is gonna be beautiful when it happens.
Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
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Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
1214
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Posted - 2014.02.15 01:00:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Th3rdSun wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Th3rdSun wrote:http://www.slashgear.com/playstation-3-has-2-4-years-left-in-it-according-to-sony-11316546/
So if CCP is sticking to their guns of being "laser focused" on developing for the PS3,this game is most definitely doomed.Oh,and the whole "five year roadmap" is pretty much out the window as well.
CCP,it's PS4 or bust for this game,you have to know that,right? None of the (now old) generation of consoles are going to even last this long. Mobile is going to eat the console market alive in under two years. I'll take that bet,with real world currency too,not ISK. There's no way that the mobile market is going to dominate the console market.While it is successful,it's not going to lure the hardcore gamers away from their consoles and PCs. Sure thing. Look me up in 2 years. Hardcore gamers are on PC already. Consoles have, for their existence, been the low hanging fruit, i.e the cheaper, easier, lesser alternative to PCs. Guess what fills that niche now? yeah mobile. All the AAA developers are already in the process of transferring their development to where the most possible customers are - mobile. That means you're going to be seeing a lot more ports from mobile, i.e. Android, onto the consoles, just like we've seen for consoles -> PCs for the last decade. Console users are already the minority in terms of numbers, and worse yet, they're now sandwiched between the high end PC users (small number, but willing to pay a lot) and the mobile users (very large numbers, but willing to pay less). this trend is only going to accelerate as mobile becomes more powerful. How old is an "old" mobile device? One year? Two? Consoles can not maintain a 10, or even 5 year cycle anymore. By then, Mobile devices will out power even the current generation of consoles, let alone, the last gen. I'm sorry, but Consoles are on their way to niche much faster that most people realize. This is just one of the reasons that Dust should move to PC. The PC high end will likely survive for much longer.
Lol. Yeah, consoles are becoming the video arcade of the 21st century. This game would be like the broken Galaga sitting in the corner at the local greasy pizza.
Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
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Th3rdSun
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D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.02.15 01:04:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Th3rdSun wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Th3rdSun wrote:http://www.slashgear.com/playstation-3-has-2-4-years-left-in-it-according-to-sony-11316546/
So if CCP is sticking to their guns of being "laser focused" on developing for the PS3,this game is most definitely doomed.Oh,and the whole "five year roadmap" is pretty much out the window as well.
CCP,it's PS4 or bust for this game,you have to know that,right? None of the (now old) generation of consoles are going to even last this long. Mobile is going to eat the console market alive in under two years. I'll take that bet,with real world currency too,not ISK. There's no way that the mobile market is going to dominate the console market.While it is successful,it's not going to lure the hardcore gamers away from their consoles and PCs. Sure thing. Look me up in 2 years. Hardcore gamers are on PC already. Consoles have, for their existence, been the low hanging fruit, i.e the cheaper, easier, lesser alternative to PCs. Guess what fills that niche now? yeah mobile. All the AAA developers are already in the process of transferring their development to where the most possible customers are - mobile. That means you're going to be seeing a lot more ports from mobile, i.e. Android, onto the consoles, just like we've seen for consoles -> PCs for the last decade. Console users are already the minority in terms of numbers, and worse yet, they're now sandwiched between the high end PC users (small number, but willing to pay a lot) and the mobile users (very large numbers, but willing to pay less). this trend is only going to accelerate as mobile becomes more powerful. How old is an "old" mobile device? One year? Two? Consoles can not maintain a 10, or even 5 year cycle anymore. By then, Mobile devices will out power even the current generation of consoles, let alone, the last gen. I'm sorry, but Consoles are on their way to niche much faster that most people realize. This is just one of the reasons that Dust should move to PC. The PC high end will likely survive for much longer.
All of that is good in theory,but the one thing that mobile gaming still has to overcome is that their games are designed for smaller play sessions,mostly due to limitations with the battery life.Mobile is made for short sessions like riding on the bus or train to work,or sitting on the toilet taking a dump.
The other problem against mobile gaming is why would I buy a AAA title to play on a 5 inch screen,when I can play a AAA title on the $1000 50" LED TV in my living room?Mobile will never,let me repeat,will NEVER pull away that MASSIVE audience.Actually,let me rephrase that,mobile will never take those dedicated console gamers and turn them into dedicated mobile gamers. |
DaNizzle4shizle
Pradox XVI
Proficiency V.
460
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Posted - 2014.02.15 01:05:00 -
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i hate the ps4 right now. it is way overpriced. i would like to see dust go to ps4 when it gets cheaper. ccp will make the worst decision if they port to ps4. they will lose most of their playerbase.
Today Is A Great Day For Me. If you can't Beat em... join em. like me :)
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
1799
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Posted - 2014.02.15 01:08:00 -
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Th3rdSun wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Th3rdSun wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Th3rdSun wrote:http://www.slashgear.com/playstation-3-has-2-4-years-left-in-it-according-to-sony-11316546/
So if CCP is sticking to their guns of being "laser focused" on developing for the PS3,this game is most definitely doomed.Oh,and the whole "five year roadmap" is pretty much out the window as well.
CCP,it's PS4 or bust for this game,you have to know that,right? None of the (now old) generation of consoles are going to even last this long. Mobile is going to eat the console market alive in under two years. I'll take that bet,with real world currency too,not ISK. There's no way that the mobile market is going to dominate the console market.While it is successful,it's not going to lure the hardcore gamers away from their consoles and PCs. Sure thing. Look me up in 2 years. Hardcore gamers are on PC already. Consoles have, for their existence, been the low hanging fruit, i.e the cheaper, easier, lesser alternative to PCs. Guess what fills that niche now? yeah mobile. All the AAA developers are already in the process of transferring their development to where the most possible customers are - mobile. That means you're going to be seeing a lot more ports from mobile, i.e. Android, onto the consoles, just like we've seen for consoles -> PCs for the last decade. Console users are already the minority in terms of numbers, and worse yet, they're now sandwiched between the high end PC users (small number, but willing to pay a lot) and the mobile users (very large numbers, but willing to pay less). this trend is only going to accelerate as mobile becomes more powerful. How old is an "old" mobile device? One year? Two? Consoles can not maintain a 10, or even 5 year cycle anymore. By then, Mobile devices will out power even the current generation of consoles, let alone, the last gen. I'm sorry, but Consoles are on their way to niche much faster that most people realize. This is just one of the reasons that Dust should move to PC. The PC high end will likely survive for much longer. All of that is good in theory,but the one thing that mobile gaming still has to overcome is that their games are designed for smaller play sessions,mostly due to limitations with the battery life.Mobile is made for short sessions like riding on the bus or train to work,or sitting on the toilet taking a dump. The other problem against mobile gaming is why would I buy a AAA title to play on a 5 inch screen,when I can play a AAA title on the $1000 50" LED TV in my living room?Mobile will never,let me repeat,will NEVER pull away that MASSIVE audience.
Your first point is good, but it's pretty easy to plug a mobile device in, and there are wireless charging systems as well.
As for the small screen? Hmm, Rift? Just one example. Another example would be just, you know, output the video to a "TV" or any monitor. I have a Droid X that's more than a year old that has an HDMI output, and that's not even assuming wireless transfer.
None of this really matters though. I'm not super interested in arguing about it per se. I'd just like to point out that the PC is a better target because it will likely weather the storm better. Having said that, Dust is a UDK engine game anyway, so porting is relatively easy.
And re: Galaga - at least it was a star at some point. Dust has never been a star. |
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Buster Friently wrote:
Your first point is good, but it's pretty easy to plug a mobile device in, and there are wireless charging systems as well.
As for the small screen? Hmm, Rift? Just one example. Another example would be just, you know, output the video to a "TV" or any monitor. I have a Droid X that's more than a year old that has an HDMI output, and that's not even assuming wireless transfer.
None of this really matters though. I'm not super interested in arguing about it per se. I'd just like to point out that the PC is a better target because it will likely weather the storm better. Having said that, Dust is a UDK engine game anyway, so porting is relatively easy.
And re: Galaga - at least it was a star at some point. Dust has never been a star.
I don't think we are arguing about it,rather having a pretty good debate.I just don't think that mobile gaming will have the technical ability to complete with current gen consoles(PS4 and Xbone) in 2 years.Maybe in 5,but two years seems way too soon,even though mobile phones and tablets have been progressing super fast.I think we'll be hard pressed to think we'll ever see a game like BF4 on PS4 running on any mobile device with the same fidelity that we see on console. |
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Zahle Undt wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Yeah, they should totally port to PS4 so that they can have this same problem again in 5 years down the line of their "10 year plan."
PC or bust. on pc it would have same problems the problem is vacation days. Btw ps4 can play planetside two in what was it super mode or something? whatever it can run on that a ok but some pcs cant s shush Could you maybe try that again in english? The problem I'm pointing out is that PS4 is basically a low-end budget level PC. Unlike PS3, which was actually sold at a loss and on par with relatively high-end PCs at the time, the PS4 isn't likely going to have the same sort of long term shelf life. For a company that wants to have a "long term vision" for their game, spending all of that time porting to a system that's already limited in what it can offer and expected to be replaced again before their "vision" for the game is fully realized doesn't make a lot of sense. They've already made this mistake once, it would be kind of ridiculous to see them make it a second time. My intent here isn't to disparage the PS4, I'm just pointing out the potential problem of moving to PS4 for this particular sort of project. The whole purpose of Dust 514 is for CCP to break into the console space. They've already got 500,000 paying PC customers, they are trying to make some money off of us console gamers.
Then they're going to have to readjust their vision to not include a "10 year plan," because that's going to require them re-porting their game at least a couple of times in that time frame. The idea of taking a "long approach" on a single title, but stringing it out over the life span of 3+ different consoles seems like a really awful plan to me.
I do get that CCP is looking to reach a different audience, but it's not like they've already cornered the market on PC. They only have 500,000 subscribers, which for PC gaming is just a tiny little niche of the market. Their bigger concern should just be in making a great game on a platform that is most conducive to the vision that they have. So, if we're talking about porting to a different system, it seems strange to port to one that doesn't line up with that vision.
Again, I'm not trying to be disparaging of the PS4, it's a decent device. A bit overprice and underpowered, but not terrible for someone who is on a tight budget and doesn't have the extra $100-$200 to spend on a PC. For the casual gamer who isn't too worried about having a whole ton of games to choose from, backwards compatibility, or upgradability it's a perfectly reasonable purchase. It just isn't a good fit for a company wanting to develop a game iteratively for 10+ years. |
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Th3rdSun wrote:Buster Friently wrote:
Your first point is good, but it's pretty easy to plug a mobile device in, and there are wireless charging systems as well.
As for the small screen? Hmm, Rift? Just one example. Another example would be just, you know, output the video to a "TV" or any monitor. I have a Droid X that's more than a year old that has an HDMI output, and that's not even assuming wireless transfer.
None of this really matters though. I'm not super interested in arguing about it per se. I'd just like to point out that the PC is a better target because it will likely weather the storm better. Having said that, Dust is a UDK engine game anyway, so porting is relatively easy.
And re: Galaga - at least it was a star at some point. Dust has never been a star.
I don't think we are arguing about it,rather having a pretty good debate.I just don't think that mobile gaming will have the technical ability to complete with current gen consoles(PS4 and Xbone) in 2 years.Maybe in 5,but two years seems way too soon,even though mobile phones and tablets have been progressing super fast.I think we'll be hard pressed to think we'll ever see a game like BF4 on PS4 running on any mobile device with the same fidelity that we see on console.
Good point.
Let me first say that I harbor no one ill will regarding this subject. If this was 15 years ago and someone was saying this to me re: PC vs Console, I'd have the exact same skepticism.
PC's have always maintained a tech advantage compared to consoles. This, however, did not prevent the major game manufacturers from settling on consoles as the preferred development target. There are many reasons for that, but technical superiority doesn't trump money.
The only thing that's prevented this from happening already isn't the difference in technical specs, it's the difference in what people expect to pay for a game. If people were paying $15 per phone game, there wouldn't even be a debate going on here. Even with cheap game prices, there are so many more mobile devices out there that the money is already greater, or close to it. Technical inferiority might actually be beneficial from a developer's eyes because it may mean less development time.
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Th3rdSun wrote:Buster Friently wrote:
Your first point is good, but it's pretty easy to plug a mobile device in, and there are wireless charging systems as well.
As for the small screen? Hmm, Rift? Just one example. Another example would be just, you know, output the video to a "TV" or any monitor. I have a Droid X that's more than a year old that has an HDMI output, and that's not even assuming wireless transfer.
None of this really matters though. I'm not super interested in arguing about it per se. I'd just like to point out that the PC is a better target because it will likely weather the storm better. Having said that, Dust is a UDK engine game anyway, so porting is relatively easy.
And re: Galaga - at least it was a star at some point. Dust has never been a star.
I don't think we are arguing about it,rather having a pretty good debate.I just don't think that mobile gaming will have the technical ability to complete with current gen consoles(PS4 and Xbone) in 2 years.Maybe in 5,but two years seems way too soon,even though mobile phones and tablets have been progressing super fast.I think we'll be hard pressed to think we'll ever see a game like BF4 on PS4 running on any mobile device with the same fidelity that we see on console.
I think you're over-estimating the power of the "next gen" consoles, and underestimating the amount of money and research going into developing more powerful "mobile" devices. The PS4 has the power of a budget level $400 PC. In 2-3 years you can expect tablet devices in the $400 range to have that same sort of power (of course, by them the PS4 will probably be $100-150 cheaper than it is now). So, like the PS3 is currently, in 2-3 years the PS4 is going to be the "low end budget gaming device" on the market. Since they're starting out this time so far behind (unlike previous console generations that started out at the top-end of the market), the "shelf life" this time around is likely to be dramatically shorter.
Heck, AMD just announced their new budget line of GPUs designed to compete directly with the technical power of the "next gen" consoles, and how much are they going to cost? $100. That means, $50 for the mobo, $50 for the HD, $50 for the RAM, $70 for the CPU, and $100 for GPU and you've got yourself something as powerful as a PS4. That's $320... and that card is launching sometime in the next month. In two years from now, it's completely realistic to expect that price to be nearly half that for those same level components.
So, in 3 years when someone can spend $300-400 on a PS4 with a smalll selection of games on it, or drop $400-500 on a PC that greatly outperforms the, by then, antiquated "next gen" consoles is backwards compaitible all the way back to the 80s and is getting about 5x the games released for it, which do you think most "gamers" are going to choose?
Furthermore, For those casual people who don't really care that much about gaming, but still want something to play a game on will they choose a $300-$400 machine that only works sitting in the entertainment center plugged into their TV, or are they going to spend $400 or so on the newest Galaxy Tab 5 (or whatever) that's basically just as powerful, has a built in screen and touch support, and can also plug into that same TV and get a similar level of quality? Keep in mind, if these people's number one concern was getting the best quality gaming experience they'd be buying that PC.
Personally, I agree with Buster. We're going to see a split in the gaming market that moves more and more towards PC and Mobile. The Console just sits in a wierd and antiquated middle area where it's not really budget conscious, but it's not "enthusiast" quality either. It's sort of the worst of all worlds.
Don't get me wrong though, the consoles aren't going anywhere in the next 3-5 years, Sony and Microsoft simply have too much money invested in them to not continue spending millions more on advertising to keep those casual gamers coming back for awhile. I just don't see that advertising budget being able to sustain them past that point, by then these "next gen" consoles are going to be a pretty difficult sale with their low-end performance and lack of utility. |
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Anyway, like I said Pachter has been going on about mobile and the death of the console for quite sometime now, and yet 2 of the 3 "Next-gen" systems are selling better than any previous console launch. As for your PC gaming numbers, how do you arrive at them? If you go by something liek Steam accounts, well sh!t even I have a Steam account that I don't use and if you go by surveys that ask things like "Have you playeda video game on a PC" then you include my wife and mother-in-law on that list but they aren't buying or playing any AAA games.
How is running a game for 10 years on console really much different from running a game franchise for 10 years on a console or 10 years on a PC? I'm sure Eve from 10 years ago is different from Eve today, you don't think work and money went into upgrading the game for upgraded PC specs?
Anyway I leave this pointless debate with this
http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3qbcjg
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This whole thing just works towards CCPs advantage. Prolonging to the move to PS4. What I want to know is what's up with this five year road map? Does that include closed beta? Cause if it does we're already half way through that and this is a lobby shooter not an MMO
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Baal Roo
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Zahle Undt wrote:Anyway, like I said Pachter has been going on about mobile and the death of the console for quite sometime now, and yet 2 of the 3 "Next-gen" systems are selling better than any previous console launch. As for your PC gaming numbers, how do you arrive at them? If you go by something liek Steam accounts, well sh!t even I have a Steam account that I don't use and if you go by surveys that ask things like "Have you playeda video game on a PC" then you include my wife and mother-in-law on that list but they aren't buying or playing any AAA games. How is running a game for 10 years on console really much different from running a game franchise for 10 years on a console or 10 years on a PC? I'm sure Eve from 10 years ago is different from Eve today, you don't think work and money went into upgrading the game for upgraded PC specs? Anyway I leave this pointless debate with this http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3qbcjg
The previous console launches were complete disasters though. The main limiting factor for their sells numbers was sheer production limits. There weren't anywhere close to enough consoles to go around... not to mention the fact that since they weren't just low-end PCs with closed off ecosystems, they were actually super difficult for developers to figure out how to make games for them. This meant there were only a small handful of terrible games available for them.
As far as the "numbers" are concerned, just take a look at the amount of daily traffic on popular PC games for an idea of how many PC gamers there are. If you're interested in game output, just take a look at Metacritic. PC exclusives with a 75+ metacritic score out number all the consoles combined by over double. Even if you owned a PS3, an Xbox 360, a Wii, A PS Vita, and a DS for the last 5 years, you still didn't have access to HALF as many critically acclaimed games as someone who just owned a single $600 PC. Those are just the facts man. Look, I own a PS3 and I owned an Xbox 360, I've owned almost every nintendo console, sega systems, etc all the way back to Atari dude. But the facts is the facts.
And hey, if you have to make personal attacks and create caricatures of a person you disagree with in order to "win" the debate, it's usually a pretty good indication that you don't have anything actually worthwhile to say on the subject. |
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Dust should have been a PC game, DUST 514 can still come to PC. The way I see it IF CCP really actually wants DUST to be a long term game like EVE was then the PC really is the only platform for that.
I think CCP were conned or got greedy and thought they could break into the console shooter market. That has obviously not gone well for them.
I mean come on I would guess 1/3 to 1/2 of the players that play dust regularly are people that outright bought a PS3 mainly because of dust. Those of us that were EVE players. The other half are probably old MAG vets that heard that DUST would offer something similar to MAG.
So again, If CCP really wants this game to last many years then PC is the only way forwards , that's unless they have been developing for the PS4 in secret but I highly doubt that. |
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Kristoff Atruin wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:except moving from PS3 to PS4 will require very little work since the PS4 supports the U3 engine.
All they have to do is rejig the input to accept the DS4 over DS3.
Dust will encounter problems when they decide to go from a U3/Carbon hybrid to a U4/Carbon hybrid.
That will require a new build, moving to PS4 3 years down the line won't. Actually, that's not really correct. It runs on a modified version of U3. They modified the engine to such a degree that they were asked to give a presentation about it at GDC. It had something to do with lighting effects. If the PS3 and PS4 had the same underlying architecture they would basically just need to copy the changes over, but because the architecture is different they'll actually need to rebuild their changes to the engine.
Also slightly wrong, the Software Architecture is similar enough that they can get away with just a few changes.
The hardware Architecture is the most different bit, but the Software built in can work its way around it.
No, they can't just copy them over directly but they certainly don't need to start from scratch, it'll be relatively painless.
I know it's not a base U3 engine, like I said it it's hybrid with the one they use for EvE. Which is why some people don't understa d just how difficult it is for CCP to work with it.
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Th3rdSun wrote:http://www.slashgear.com/playstation-3-has-2-4-years-left-in-it-according-to-sony-11316546/
So if CCP is sticking to their guns of being "laser focused" on developing for the PS3,this game is most definitely doomed.Oh,and the whole "five year roadmap" is pretty much out the window as well.
CCP,it's PS4 or bust for this game,you have to know that,right?
and how long exactly did they give the ps2 when ps3 came out...... its all speculation. as long as they keep selling sony will keep making them.
also "playstation now" comes to mind.. the console may go at some point but the games wont
I will logi the s* out of you
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Th3rdSun wrote:http://www.slashgear.com/playstation-3-has-2-4-years-left-in-it-according-to-sony-11316546/
So if CCP is sticking to their guns of being "laser focused" on developing for the PS3,this game is most definitely doomed.Oh,and the whole "five year roadmap" is pretty much out the window as well.
CCP,it's PS4 or bust for this game,you have to know that,right?
i think CCP said all ready there moving to PS4 in 2 or so yrs
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Buster Friently wrote:Th3rdSun wrote:http://www.slashgear.com/playstation-3-has-2-4-years-left-in-it-according-to-sony-11316546/
So if CCP is sticking to their guns of being "laser focused" on developing for the PS3,this game is most definitely doomed.Oh,and the whole "five year roadmap" is pretty much out the window as well.
CCP,it's PS4 or bust for this game,you have to know that,right? None of the (now old) generation of consoles are going to even last this long. Mobile is going to eat the console market alive in under two years.
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!
So you expect me to say no to my 2160p 120 inch HDTV and 7.1 sound in favor of a tiny TABLET??
Hell No.
HAWL NOOO!!!
Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!!
Jumps into escape pod!
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We should all play the video game holding hands, like how they hold hands around a tree so people can't cut it down without killing everyone.
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Th3rdSun wrote:http://www.slashgear.com/playstation-3-has-2-4-years-left-in-it-according-to-sony-11316546/
So if CCP is sticking to their guns of being "laser focused" on developing for the PS3,this game is most definitely doomed.Oh,and the whole "five year roadmap" is pretty much out the window as well.
CCP,it's PS4 or bust for this game,you have to know that,right? None of the (now old) generation of consoles are going to even last this long. Mobile is going to eat the console market alive in under two years. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!! So you expect me to say no to my 2160p 120 inch HDTV and 7.1 sound in favor of a tiny TABLET?? Hell No. HAWL NOOO!!!
The funny part is that you would apparently "say no to your 2160p HDTV" in favor of a 720p 30 FPS low-end PC (aka "next gen" consoles).
Tablets can plug into a TV just as easily as a console can, and they can connect to a bluetooth controller just as easily as a console can as well.
Frankly, if you were that concerned about having the highest quality gaming experience in terms of graphical fidelity, you wouldn't be playing on consoles in the first place. I'm not personally a "graphics hound," but if you're making the argument you're making here you need to realize the same argument can be made to marginalize the PS4 as well. |
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 Representatives of the PC master race here with us now? Please sirs... I am not worthy
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Baal Roo
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Christiphoros von Poe wrote: Representatives of the PC master race here with us now? Please sirs... I am not worthy *Holds up keyboard for tribute*
Not sure who you're talking about, everyone here obviously plays at least one videogame on PS3. Personally, I'm simply talking about what makes the most sense for a videogame with a supposed "10 year plan." Look, the PS3 is barely going to make it 10 years before Sony drops support for it, and it started out as an alternative to HIGH END PCs, the PS4 is starting it's lifecycle as an alternative to LOW END PCs. In 5 years the PS4 will be further behind the leading edge of gaming technology than the PS3 is now. |
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Baal Roo wrote:Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Th3rdSun wrote:http://www.slashgear.com/playstation-3-has-2-4-years-left-in-it-according-to-sony-11316546/
So if CCP is sticking to their guns of being "laser focused" on developing for the PS3,this game is most definitely doomed.Oh,and the whole "five year roadmap" is pretty much out the window as well.
CCP,it's PS4 or bust for this game,you have to know that,right? None of the (now old) generation of consoles are going to even last this long. Mobile is going to eat the console market alive in under two years. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!! So you expect me to say no to my 2160p 120 inch HDTV and 7.1 sound in favor of a tiny TABLET?? Hell No. HAWL NOOO!!! The funny part is that you would apparently "say no to your 2160p HDTV" in favor of a 720p 30 FPS low-end PC (aka "next gen" consoles). Tablets can plug into a TV just as easily as a console can, and they can connect to a bluetooth controller just as easily as a console can as well. Frankly, if you were that concerned about having the highest quality gaming experience in terms of graphical fidelity, you wouldn't be playing on consoles in the first place. I'm not personally a "graphics hound," but if you're making the argument you're making here you need to realize the same argument can be made to marginalize the PS4 as well.
Games designed for a tablet suck.
Games designed for a tablet are not in 4k resolution now nor will they be so two years from now.
Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!!
Jumps into escape pod!
Selected destination Planet PS4.
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Th3rdSun wrote:http://www.slashgear.com/playstation-3-has-2-4-years-left-in-it-according-to-sony-11316546/
So if CCP is sticking to their guns of being "laser focused" on developing for the PS3,this game is most definitely doomed.Oh,and the whole "five year roadmap" is pretty much out the window as well.
CCP,it's PS4 or bust for this game,you have to know that,right? None of the (now old) generation of consoles are going to even last this long. Mobile is going to eat the console market alive in under two years. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!! So you expect me to say no to my 2160p 120 inch HDTV and 7.1 sound in favor of a tiny TABLET?? Hell No. HAWL NOOO!!! The funny part is that you would apparently "say no to your 2160p HDTV" in favor of a 720p 30 FPS low-end PC (aka "next gen" consoles). Tablets can plug into a TV just as easily as a console can, and they can connect to a bluetooth controller just as easily as a console can as well. Frankly, if you were that concerned about having the highest quality gaming experience in terms of graphical fidelity, you wouldn't be playing on consoles in the first place. I'm not personally a "graphics hound," but if you're making the argument you're making here you need to realize the same argument can be made to marginalize the PS4 as well. Games designed for a tablet suck. Games designed for a tablet are not in 4k resolution now nor will they be so two years from now.
Neither is the PS4, nor will it be two years from now.
And again, if in two or three years a tablet is close to matching the power of a PS4 (not at all unrealistic), nothing would stop a developer from putting a game on a tablet that utilizes the Xbone, PS4, KBM, or Steam controller. |
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All I read was that there's no need for me to upgrade anytime soon.
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Th3rdSun wrote:http://www.slashgear.com/playstation-3-has-2-4-years-left-in-it-according-to-sony-11316546/
So if CCP is sticking to their guns of being "laser focused" on developing for the PS3,this game is most definitely doomed.Oh,and the whole "five year roadmap" is pretty much out the window as well.
CCP,it's PS4 or bust for this game,you have to know that,right?
ccp has said from the beginning the dust will only start on the ps3
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4 years is hardly round the corner
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Buster Friently wrote:
Sure thing. Look me up in 2 years.
Hardcore gamers are on PC already. Consoles have, for their existence, been the low hanging fruit, i.e the cheaper, easier, lesser alternative to PCs. Guess what fills that niche now? yeah mobile. All the AAA developers are already in the process of transferring their development to where the most possible customers are - mobile. That means you're going to be seeing a lot more ports from mobile, i.e. Android, onto the consoles, just like we've seen for consoles -> PCs for the last decade.
Console users are already the minority in terms of numbers, and worse yet, they're now sandwiched between the high end PC users (small number, but willing to pay a lot) and the mobile users (very large numbers, but willing to pay less). this trend is only going to accelerate as mobile becomes more powerful.
How old is an "old" mobile device? One year? Two? Consoles can not maintain a 10, or even 5 year cycle anymore. By then, Mobile devices will out power even the current generation of consoles, let alone, the last gen.
I'm sorry, but Consoles are on their way to niche much faster that most people realize.
This is just one of the reasons that Dust should move to PC. The PC high end will likely survive for much longer.
Those who think mobile is going to destroy the console market are cute. Seriously. Can't help but think that.people who hold this belief are so out of touch with gaming.
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Th3rdSun wrote:http://www.slashgear.com/playstation-3-has-2-4-years-left-in-it-according-to-sony-11316546/
So if CCP is sticking to their guns of being "laser focused" on developing for the PS3,this game is most definitely doomed.Oh,and the whole "five year roadmap" is pretty much out the window as well.
CCP,it's PS4 or bust for this game,you have to know that,right?
Doesn't mean much.
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2-4 years of of support from SONY, the console is not going to stop working in 2-4 years. CCP can support the game for years after that if the want to. The PS3 is still the best place for DUST, if we ported over to PS4 right now it would probably kill DUST for good. Any steam box or enyo isn't going to hurt PS much, Xboxone isn't up to par and I don't think they will be going to PC so we are here and are probably going to stay here for the next 2-3 years.
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COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote:Buster Friently wrote:
Sure thing. Look me up in 2 years.
Hardcore gamers are on PC already. Consoles have, for their existence, been the low hanging fruit, i.e the cheaper, easier, lesser alternative to PCs. Guess what fills that niche now? yeah mobile. All the AAA developers are already in the process of transferring their development to where the most possible customers are - mobile. That means you're going to be seeing a lot more ports from mobile, i.e. Android, onto the consoles, just like we've seen for consoles -> PCs for the last decade.
Console users are already the minority in terms of numbers, and worse yet, they're now sandwiched between the high end PC users (small number, but willing to pay a lot) and the mobile users (very large numbers, but willing to pay less). this trend is only going to accelerate as mobile becomes more powerful.
How old is an "old" mobile device? One year? Two? Consoles can not maintain a 10, or even 5 year cycle anymore. By then, Mobile devices will out power even the current generation of consoles, let alone, the last gen.
I'm sorry, but Consoles are on their way to niche much faster that most people realize.
This is just one of the reasons that Dust should move to PC. The PC high end will likely survive for much longer.
Those who think mobile is going to destroy the console market are cute. Seriously. Can't help but think that.people who hold this belief are so out of touch with gaming.
That's maybe the most ironic statement I've seen yet. It's not uncommon to hear industry insiders already speculating that this might be the last generation of consoles as we currently understand them. Heck, Microsoft's own board of directors have been slowly pushing the company to ditch the xbox entirely.
Developers have already made it clear that their preferred platforms are PC and Mobile gaming. The pure output of critically acclaimed titles released on PC has dwarfed those released on consoles for half a decade now. Where we see on average somewhere in the range of 5-10 exclusives per console with a metacritic score at 75 or above released per year, there are 45-50 PC exclusives each year with a 75 or above rating. Furthermore, more people currently game on mobile devices than own consoles.
I'm not by any means a "hater" of consoles, as I've already pointed out, I'm here discussing a game on a console from 8 years ago. I play my PS3 multiple times a week. However, my own gaming habits don't change the facts as they stand. Consoles have had the penetration rate they've had due to the casual gaming market, and that market is trending to spending their money more and more often on tablet devices. As those devices reach parity with the PS4 in the next 3-5 years, Sony will either have to release a new more powerful PS5, or see a further loss of marketshare and an even less interest from game developers than they already have.
So again, if we're talking about what makes the most sense for a game that has a supposed "10 year plan," would you really think that spending the next 1-2 years porting the game to a system that will most likely be antiquated in 5 or so years really make the most sense? That means in another 4-6 years towards their 10 year plan they will AGAIN have to port the game over to yet another system, that will yet again have to gain an install base.
To me, that just doesn't make sense. I'm not saying PS4 isn't a decent platform for the short term vision of a company looking to make a one-shot title in the next 2-4 years, but any point past that and the PS4 is going to start looking similar to how the PS3 and Xbox 360 are looking now. |
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pyramidhead 420 wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Th3rdSun wrote:http://www.slashgear.com/playstation-3-has-2-4-years-left-in-it-according-to-sony-11316546/
So if CCP is sticking to their guns of being "laser focused" on developing for the PS3,this game is most definitely doomed.Oh,and the whole "five year roadmap" is pretty much out the window as well.
CCP,it's PS4 or bust for this game,you have to know that,right? None of the (now old) generation of consoles are going to even last this long. Mobile is going to eat the console market alive in under two years. moble? i almost spit my food out from laughter. get real kid, only 10 year olds play games on mommies ipad. and OP is a fool if you dont think ps3 will being going strong well past 4 years. free online play is huge for people with little money or kids to young to have a consistent cash flow moble.....hahahahah, is that you onya?
I have to agree, mobile cant compete with 7.1 surround, hd, 3d or 72inch screens, not to mention controls, Im not saying it wont be there, but it wont dominate, oh and lets not forget gaming chairs with beer....
If ccp went to ps4 wouldnt that cut the player base up? I mean the guy on the ps3 cant play onlline with the guy with the ps4 correct? That seems as good of a reason as any to wait considering player totals.
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INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote:
I have to agree, mobile cant compete with 7.1 surround, hd, 3d or 72inch screens, not to mention controls, Im not saying it wont be there, but it wont dominate, oh and lets not forget gaming chairs with beer....
If ccp went to ps4 wouldnt that cut the player base up? I mean the guy on the ps3 cant play onlline with the guy with the ps4 correct? That seems as good of a reason as any to wait considering player totals.
Again, considering the fact that the PS4 is already only on par with relatively low-end budget PC gaming rigs, in a few short years it can be assumed that mobile devices will be catching up to the PS4 in terms of power. Also, again, a tablet can be hooked up to a 72" tv just as easily as a PS4 can, and can also use a bluetooth controller just as easily as a PS4 can.
So, if in 5 years you can buy a PS4 for $300, or you can buy a tablet that's just as powerful for $400-500, that also plugs into the tv, and can also use a bluetooth game controller... but has all the advantages of also being a tablet that you can unplug from the TV and carry around the house and use as a normal tablet, which device do you think the average consumer is going to find more attractive?
Remember, we're not talking about people who want the best graphics or the most games (because those requirements lead a person to a gaming PC), we're talking about the more casual audience that just wants to play a videogame now and then, watch some netflix, and doesn't really care if they're getting "the best" experience. I think those people, the bulk of the console demographic, are going to move more and more towards the devices that offer the most functionality. |
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Baal Roo wrote:COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote:Buster Friently wrote:
Sure thing. Look me up in 2 years.
Hardcore gamers are on PC already. Consoles have, for their existence, been the low hanging fruit, i.e the cheaper, easier, lesser alternative to PCs. Guess what fills that niche now? yeah mobile. All the AAA developers are already in the process of transferring their development to where the most possible customers are - mobile. That means you're going to be seeing a lot more ports from mobile, i.e. Android, onto the consoles, just like we've seen for consoles -> PCs for the last decade.
Console users are already the minority in terms of numbers, and worse yet, they're now sandwiched between the high end PC users (small number, but willing to pay a lot) and the mobile users (very large numbers, but willing to pay less). this trend is only going to accelerate as mobile becomes more powerful.
How old is an "old" mobile device? One year? Two? Consoles can not maintain a 10, or even 5 year cycle anymore. By then, Mobile devices will out power even the current generation of consoles, let alone, the last gen.
I'm sorry, but Consoles are on their way to niche much faster that most people realize.
This is just one of the reasons that Dust should move to PC. The PC high end will likely survive for much longer.
Those who think mobile is going to destroy the console market are cute. Seriously. Can't help but think that.people who hold this belief are so out of touch with gaming. That's maybe the most ironic statement I've seen yet. It's not uncommon to hear industry insiders already speculating that this might be the last generation of consoles as we currently understand them. Heck, Microsoft's own board of directors have been slowly pushing the company to ditch the xbox entirely. Developers have already made it clear that their preferred platforms are PC and Mobile gaming. The pure output of critically acclaimed titles released on PC has dwarfed those released on consoles for half a decade now. Where we see on average somewhere in the range of 5-10 exclusives per console with a metacritic score at 75 or above, there are 45-50 PC exclusives each year with a 75 or above rating. Furthermore, more people currently game on mobile devices than own consoles. I'm not by any means a "hater" of consoles, as I've already pointed out, I'm here discussing a game on a console from 8 years ago. I play my PS3 multiple times a week. However, my own gaming habits don't change the facts as they stand. Consoles have had the penetration rate they've had due to the casual gaming market, and that market is trending to spending their money more and more often on tablet devices. As those devices reach parity with the PS4 in the next 3-5 years, Sony will either have to release a new more powerful PS5, or see a further loss of marketshare and an even less interest from game developers than they already have. So again, if we're talking about what makes the most sense for a game that has a supposed "10 year plan," would you really think that spending the next 1-2 years porting the game to a system that will most likely be antiquated in 5 or so years really make the most sense? That means in another 4-6 years towards their 10 year plan they will AGAIN have to port the game over to yet another system, that will yet again have to gain an install base. To me, that just doesn't make sense. I'm not saying PS4 isn't a decent platform for the short term vision of a company looking to make a one-shot title in the next 2-4 years, but any point past that and the PS4 is going to start looking similar to how the PS3 and Xbox 360 are looking now.
I don't believe any market is going to decimate any other. It's like saying movie theatres will go out of business because of Netflix. I started on the Commodore 64, Sega Mastersystem, Mega Drive, SNES, PS1, PS2, PS3...Demographically I am the average gamer and I grew up playing on a big screen with a controller and that's how I want to play. There are about 180 million last gen gamers who I'm pretty sure aren't planning to move to tablet and nearing 10 million people who have already bought into the PS4 or XB1 in the first 3 months of this current gen of consoles.
You cannot emulate the console experience on a mobile device. Convenience is NEVER EVER going to become more appealing than the home theatre experience of playing a game on my 46" TV and surround sound system to me. Mobile gaming has a future, but it isn't THE future so long as there are people like me who don't want to **** around on a tablet for my gaming.
Regarding future development...the biggest issue now is that DUST is on an antiquated Unreal engine programmed for the CELL architecture of the PS3. Once it is ported to X86 architecture currently used in PS4 and on a new engine (maybe Unreal 4) it will be future proof and porting it won't be a hassle. Sony probably won't have a PS5, rather just PS Now, streaming it's entire catalog to 3rd party devices (as it's set to do later this year).
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Exodeon Salviej wrote:._. How is that bad news? They most likely are going to keep this game on ps3 for the next 2-4 years. And then move it over when it needs to be. Besides, that's LONGER than the ps2 lasted...MUCH longer. Even though the ps4 would be better for the game hardware wise; they wouldn't move it over instantly because of that, and that just gives me all the more reason to wait a while before I get a ps4. I won't be buying one unless it has DUST on it. ._.
Won't buy a PS4 unless it has DUST on it? LOOOOOOOOOOL!
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Baal Roo wrote:Christiphoros von Poe wrote: Representatives of the PC master race here with us now? Please sirs... I am not worthy *Holds up keyboard for tribute* Not sure who you're talking about, everyone here obviously plays at least one videogame on PS3. Personally, I'm simply talking about what makes the most sense for a videogame with a supposed "10 year plan." Look, the PS3 is barely going to make it 10 years before Sony drops support for it, and it started out as an alternative to HIGH END PCs, the PS4 is starting it's lifecycle as an alternative to LOW END PCs. In 5 years the PS4 will be further behind the leading edge of gaming technology than the PS3 is now.
The leading edge is a $1100 video card that doesn't include the computer or monitor. No, a PS4 can't compete with a high end because if I choose to spend $3,500 on a gaming rig then it is going to be 10x faster than a console. I just paid $300 for a video card that will blow a PS out of the water. Each type of game machine -phone, PC, handheld, console- all have an equally important niche to fill and they shouldn't be lumped into one big pile.
4k,1080, 720 and all other formats in between only allow you make the screen larger. If you are running below a 40 inch then it wont matter to you and you'll just have to stand really close because the image will be smaller.
Although 1080p has several faces, as a consumer, don't let this confuse you. If you are considering the purchase of an HDTV smaller than 40-inches, the actual visual difference between the three main high definition resolutions, 1080p, 1080i, and 720p are minimal if noticeable at all.
The larger the screen size, the more noticeable the difference between 1080p and other resolutions. If you are considering a purchase of an HDTV with a screen size of 40-inches or larger, go for 1080p if you can afford it, and also consider a set that has 1080p/24 capability.
Screen sizes
I used to repair digital and HD televisions, I was trained by SONY and an engineer who helped design Panasonic's plasma TVs. If a TV is under around 46 inches then the chances are that it doesn't even have the necessary parts to be 1080. It may 1080 on the box, have a 1080 input or setting, and the 1080 input signal may actually make the screen change in some way when switched between 1080 and 720 but it is a trick done by a scaler.
These cables and that board are missing in TVs under 1080. The TVs are physically missing components that make them 1080. That was about 4 years or so ago so some things may have changed and I can't speak for OLED televisions but for LCD, led LCD and plasma most under 46 inches those parts. I do have direct technical experience and manufacturer led training on HD televisions and a degree in electronics.
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COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote:
You cannot emulate the console experience on a mobile device. Convenience is NEVER EVER going to become more appealing than the home theatre experience of playing a game on my 46" TV and surround sound system to me. Mobile gaming has a future, but it isn't THE future so long as there are people like me who don't want to **** around on a tablet for my gaming.
And again, tablets can hook up to a TV just like a console can. In a few years when tablets are just as powerful as a PS4, and probably not that much more expensive. Why would the casual user pick the console that only does one thing over the tablet that can do both?
The Robot Devil wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Christiphoros von Poe wrote: Representatives of the PC master race here with us now? Please sirs... I am not worthy *Holds up keyboard for tribute* Not sure who you're talking about, everyone here obviously plays at least one videogame on PS3. Personally, I'm simply talking about what makes the most sense for a videogame with a supposed "10 year plan." Look, the PS3 is barely going to make it 10 years before Sony drops support for it, and it started out as an alternative to HIGH END PCs, the PS4 is starting it's lifecycle as an alternative to LOW END PCs. In 5 years the PS4 will be further behind the leading edge of gaming technology than the PS3 is now. The leading edge is a $1100 video card that doesn't include the computer or monitor. No, a PS4 can't compete with a high end because if I choose to spend $3,500 on a gaming rig then it is going to be 10x faster than a console. I just paid $300 for a video card that will blow a PS out of the water. Each type of game machine -phone, PC, handheld, console- all have an equally important niche to fill and they shouldn't be lumped into one big pile.
Yes, the leading edge gaming tech is always going to be very expensive, but even the average $500 gaming PC will already outperform the PS4, so imagine what $300-500 will get you in 5 years time. Further more, you don't include the price of a monitor into the price of the game system, otherwise you need to add the cost of your TV into the cost of a PS4. If you respond with "I've already got a TV"... then why would you add the cost of a monitor for the PC? You've already got a TV you can use it on.
I don't know why everyone wants to turn this conversation into a big general console vs PC debate, because that has not been my intent. But frankly, the hypothetical $3,500 PC is nothing more than a red herring. When talking simply in the basic price range of "next gen" consoles, PCs are already more powerful. Even still, that's also not my point. This isn't a "should I buy a PC or a console?" thread.
I don't see any reason to continue repeating myself, because I've already addressed these issues that people keep bringing up. It's highly unrealistic to expect the PS4 to last anywhere close to 10 years, and since CCP claims to want to continue supporting this game for 10+ years, it seems like a poor choice to port it to a console that is expected to have a relatively short shelf life. |
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When the dude said, "Laser Focused" you could almost hear a collective sigh throughout the playerbase.
If they still aren't prepping for a move to PS4, with a confirmation at FanFest, it will be a death sentence for any sort of profitability in the near future.
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Th3rdSun wrote:http://www.slashgear.com/playstation-3-has-2-4-years-left-in-it-according-to-sony-11316546/
So if CCP is sticking to their guns of being "laser focused" on developing for the PS3,this game is most definitely doomed.Oh,and the whole "five year roadmap" is pretty much out the window as well.
CCP,it's PS4 or bust for this game,you have to know that,right?
There's a thing called context.
""We believe that the platform has a lot of life left in it. Two, three, four years; we think there's time left in the platform. It depends on the content. We have a good lineup this year and it looks like a good lineup next year. We need to keep fueling that.
We really have to keep PS3 alive.
And so to do that, we have to further the content. I think there will be a good story for the PS3 over the next year to two years." - Sony hardware marketing executive John Koller"
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The Dreamcast got games released for it several years after its discontinuation. And that didn't even sell well.
CommanderBolt wrote:Dust should have been a PC game, DUST 514 can still come to PC. The way I see it IF CCP really actually wants DUST to be a long term game like EVE was then the PC really is the only platform for that.
I think CCP were conned or got greedy and thought they could break into the console shooter market. That has obviously not gone well for them.
I mean come on I would guess 1/3 to 1/2 of the players that play dust regularly are people that outright bought a PS3 mainly because of dust. Those of us that were EVE players. The other half are probably old MAG vets that heard that DUST would offer something similar to MAG.
So again, If CCP really wants this game to last many years then PC is the only way forwards , that's unless they have been developing for the PS4 in secret but I highly doubt that. Well, it could help if CCP actually finished the game. I don't play on PC (anymore) and haven't played MAG, and yet I consider myself pretty hardcore. |
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Baal Roo wrote:*compressed*
When you say that, I - sadly - have to agree. Back at the consoles release, I was thinking it was somewhat the best of the two worlds you are referring to. But nowGǪ
Here in the Nordic countries the Xbone isn't released, and the PS4 is virtually unavailable unless you have pre-ordered one, and in the rare occurrences you actually just can walk into a store and get one, you have to pay a large premium. I have seen up to double the recommended retail price.
There aren't many games to play either, and none of those available are anything enthusiastic.
(making the high demand now illogical)
By the time the machines becomes widely available, and there will be any games worth buying it for (which applies to all territories), the machine is -+-1 year old already. Sony might as well have released it this summer, and then they could instead put in AMDs new Kaveri chip, thus making it significantly stronger and easier to program to, and maybe also a graphics chip from the new Volcanic Islands GPU family. It would be hotter, but it has to differentiate from mobile gaming. Some might argue that there's always something newer around the corner, but this time it will take a whole year before anything new will arrive. Intel have newly postponed the launch of the Broadwell architecture to the end of the year, and Nvidia and AMD have made it clear before that new stuff wont arrive until the end of the year, and that it will mostly be smaller batches of middleclass products. AMDs new CPU wont arrive until 2015.
So when the PS4 will reach it's de facto release, it will definitely be outdated.
However, consoles have one ace, one thing that neither PC nor handhelds have: (convenient) local multiplayer gaming. Having a few friends over and play, for example, icehockey together is impossible on a tablet or phone, and inconvinient on a PC.
Alternate playing styles like Playstation move shouldn't be dismissed either. Having a consistent platform to rely on, Move can really bloom.
These two things combined gives a great experience, and can't be replicated on PCs or handhelds.
I see your point in consoles being in a weird and antiquated middle area.
On the other hand it seems like MS and Sony have put effort on the consoles strong areas, namely being a media hub in the living room (Xbone) and heavily develop the social gaming part (PS4), so I think they are still relevant. I love consoles, but even I felt that it might be over very soon, before the PS4 was presented. When the PS4 was presented though, I changed my mind. I think that what Sony showed, they really try to push the consoles forward.
But this middle place thing might seals their fate in the end. It is very hard to tell when you think about it. Noone really knows how far the computation power and gaming on tablets and phones will go. Maybe the tech development will continue unabated and gaming on mobiles will grow and evolve into a new level. Maybe there will be obstacles showing up not too far from now, and slow things down and settle things on a not all that greater magnitude from what we see now. We don't know. On PC, tech development is halting. The new smaller fabric processes doesn't generate the same amount of gains as it historically have, and in some cases actually could end in a small _cost_. Add to that the fact that the PC market in general is in decline.
If consoles really do become squeezed to a slow death, where will those gamers go? Where will that type of gaming go? Sitting in a couch in the living room with a big screen and room for all mates? Possibly with some good speakers already for the movie nights. Or in the armchair or bed in the kids room, with his/hers friends? And all that partygaming, musicgaming and wild gestures gaming?
Will they all move to a tablet and play in their loneliness? Or go to a PC and just sit there with their headphones?
Will this kind of gaming just die?
And don't think so. And I see what possibly could fill the void. Steam machine. Steam has already built up a solid gaming platform and could be the thing that eventually replaces the consoles. On the other hand, it might not at all be a threat, since Valve have departed much from their original ideas behind this. At first it was a console like PC, with a few configuration levels which developers could aim their games tech specs at, making it easier for no-techies to get along, i.e. console gamers. Remember, there are hardcore gamers who don't know **** about tech, and those usually play on consoles. With a platform like that, they could also decide for a few peripherals to go with to make a standard for gamers and developers alike to follow, giving a predictability and stability to ensure there are customers who can utilize the gaming idea, making more developers interested in making games with alternate interaction, and for gamers knowing that they can use the peripherals with many other games in a consistent and easy way, thus replicating console gaming.
But now Steam machine is just another random branded PC, failing the whole thing.
But I strongly disagree with some of your arguments. Compatibility doesn't go back to the 80's on a PC, it's usually more like 10 years at its best, usually more like 5, since support for XP has been dropped. Still not bad, but not that overwhelmingly. Beyond that, you have to use older OS' on older machines or emulators, which does not count as backwards compatibility.
And I oppose with your statement that the best quality gaming experience is the PC. PC and consoles are both equal quality gaming experiences, just different kinds. Unless you count the tech specs as the sole quality measure, but that doesn't equal fun or more general game quality. On the other hand, maybe you already have the Steam thing in your mindset, thus partly validating your thesis. |
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The Robot Devil wrote:Th3rdSun wrote:http://www.slashgear.com/playstation-3-has-2-4-years-left-in-it-according-to-sony-11316546/
So if CCP is sticking to their guns of being "laser focused" on developing for the PS3,this game is most definitely doomed.Oh,and the whole "five year roadmap" is pretty much out the window as well.
CCP,it's PS4 or bust for this game,you have to know that,right? Doesn't mean much. PES 20142-4 years of of support from SONY, the console is not going to stop working in 2-4 years. CCP can support the game for years after that if the want to. The PS3 is still the best place for DUST, if we ported over to PS4 right now it would probably kill DUST for good. Any steam box or enyo isn't going to hurt PS much, Xboxone isn't up to par and I don't think they will be going to PC so we are here and are probably going to stay here for the next 2-3 years.
Well,it will mean a whole lot if cutting support for PS3 includes cutting PSN from the system so they can focus more on support for their PS4 infrastructure.
If that happens,and I'm just speculating,that will unabashedly mean the demise of Dust if it hasn't moved to PS4 by then.This,and this alone is the entire point of this thread.
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