the problem is those turrets are dangerous to tanks you can take the war points but tankers are still going to kill them
infantry only see turrets a quick 50wp and way to get their hands on large turret weapon without paying for so they can get cheap kills at no cost to them

to tankers it is not about the wps but removing a dangerous asset before it can be used against you

This has been discussed already multiple times. A decent tanker will always destroy turret installations because they are liabilities. It can't suck any more than retreating after winning a tank battle with a bare minimum of your EHP left and being blown up by a rail installation that used to be blue.

Also, I disagree with removing WP from neutral installations because destroying them absolutely ensures that the enemy won't get ahold of them, which should technically be considered as "playing the objective."

haha what a joke, then let your team take it, it will help you destroy enemi tank, yellow installation don't even shoot. You all criing for WP don't get me wrong.

I don't know why yellow (not capture) installation should give WP. Tank spawn and the only thing they do at first is to destroy turret for having their free 100WP.

So i think yellow installation should not give WP, you can destroy it if you think this is dangerous to keep it on but no WP if it's yellow.

As a tanker myself. I know that ANY installation is a massive threat to HAVs. Even Blue Ones are mindful because the infantry do not attempt to hold them, and when they go red, it puts tankers at a disadvantage without them knowing it. Infanrty don't relay that turrets turned red, so the most expedient way to safeguard ourselves in to d3estroy the installations.

Removing the WP reward for destroying them will not deter us from this. It is simple common sense to remove the threat to ourselves, before the enemy is able to gain control of it.

If and when deployable turrets are in place, maybe they will have greater strategic value. I also agree that removing said turrets reduces your team's effectiveness Vs. Enemy Armor, but in public matches, and even Faction Warfare matches, this is a null consideration since communication and teamwork is almost zero.

Infantry should not have to rely solely on AV to counter vehicles. I'm one of the major proponents to having multiple ways to deal with every situation (inclusive of deployable walls, gate structures, and most important of all Map Balance). But the idea of removing WP for destroying neutral installations is ill considered, worthless, and will not prevent their immediate destruction upon spawning in a vehicle.

haha what a joke, then let your team take it, it will help you destroy enemi tank, yellow installation don't even shoot. You all criing for WP don't get me wrong.

the problem is those turrets are dangerous to tanks you can take the war points but tankers are still going to kill them
infantry only see turrets a quick 50wp and way to get their hands on large turret weapon without paying for so they can get cheap kills at no cost to them

to tankers it is not about the wps but removing a dangerous asset before it can be used against you

I'd like to add that there are those of us who do use turrets. We may move from one location to another if we're needed somewhere else, but that doesn't mean turrets are a complete liability.

The thing I hate the most is when a blue tank takes out turrets on the side of our MCC where I was holding a defensive perimeter. There was no way a red was going to hack a redline turret.

I've been in plenty of pub matches where the reds have us pinned in our drop zone because we lost a valid defense at the beginning of the match to a tanker that wanted easy WP.

......just saying if av was stronger against vehicles this wouldn't be an issue

Or I'm ok with only 25wp, 100 is too mush, 50 too. Destroy depot should be -1000 lol

I'd like to add that there are those of us who do use turrets. We may move from one location to another if we're needed somewhere else, but that doesn't mean turrets are a complete liability.

The thing I hate the most is when a blue tank takes out turrets on the side of our MCC where I was holding a defensive perimeter. There was no way a red was going to hack a redline turret.

I've been in plenty of pub matches where the reds have us pinned in our drop zone because we lost a valid defense at the beginning of the match to a tanker that wanted easy WP.

Unguarded/abandoned material is best destroyed rather than left to be captured by the enemy and used against your forces. It's an ancient doctrine of warfare.

Turrets qualify as abandoned material 99.9% of the time.

Hacking WPs should be removed from turrets because it incentivizes negative behavior. Hand them out for getting kills with the turret, but not for simply tagging it.

Infantry isn't affected by red turrets so they have no skin in the game. It is vehicle pilots who suffer when a previously blue turret turns red behind them. Good pilots clear away enemy turrets as they move into an area, but they can't do squat about abandoned blue turrets, they just sit there like automated mine fields waiting to go off.

How would infantry feel if CCP scattered AI turrets around the map? Would they just leave them in odd places to gank them if they turn red? Or would they destroy them if they weren't using them?

I feel there should be no yellow turrets. Let people buy and deploy them if they want one. The menu mechanism for deployment is already in game, as are the art assets and slot in the market so it shouldn't take more than six months to make the change.

And while we are at it, why the hell are there any neutral objects in the game at all? Why do the defenders wait for the referee's whistle to race the attackers for possession of their own property? It doesn't make a lick of sense.

the problem is those turrets are dangerous to tanks you can take the war points but tankers are still going to kill them
infantry only see turrets a quick 50wp and way to get their hands on large turret weapon without paying for so they can get cheap kills at no cost to them

to tankers it is not about the wps but removing a dangerous asset before it can be used against you

Turrets (neutral and enemy controlled) are just free WPs.

Give turrets a ton of eHP but decrease their damage. This would cause turrets to be less of a target to vehicles (low wp/time to destroy) but they also wouldn't be a major threat to vehicles on their own. They would still be useful as a deterrent to vehicles or providing extra damage when coordinating with friendly AV.

I.E. The turrets should be difficult enough to destroy that tanks are better off leaving to find easier and more rewarding targets. To balance this, they need to have low enough dps that tanks can leisurely drive away but still have enough that a tank can't sit in their range without a care.

Also, make neutral turrets attack both teams. What use is a defense system that is turned off as an invasion force arrives?

I don't disagree, but the tanker you refer to is different from the tanker he was referring to. Some tankers get mad when we assault kill red turrets before them with swarms or forge guns. You would think they would rejoice, but not so much apparently.

We all want war points, and if our squad agrees to destroy or hack and use turrets it's ultimately a squad decision. There are, however, useless tankers who make rounds racking up 700+ wp's killing turrets we may need. Then they return to the redline to rail gun snipe the whole match, leaving us to defend for ourselves with AV weapons. If said tanker was in squad communicating that we keep control of these turrets in certain areas they could be helpful. If we loose them he knows to drop them.

Instead of only looking out for themselves tankers could try and understand how difficult it is to fight blaster tanks on foot, while friendly tankers are safe in a tank in the redline.

I call bullshit. Most people i know who are massive war point whores take out a militia rail tank with double damage mods at the start of each match, destroy every installation they can find, recall, and then put out uplinks and use a rifle

Edit:
As for why neutral turrets are neutral to both attackers and defenders I attribute it to both sides being mercenaries. No corporation is going to cough up the funds to keep a clone team guarding some buildings on a mostly uninhabited planet all the time. More likely, corporations are only contracting us when they hear another group has contracted a different group of clones to attack their outpost.

This would explain why the defenders start in similar circumstances as the attackers. The defenders just arrived themselves and the corporation contracting the defenders wouldn't have had time to update the defense systems to identify the defenders as friendlies.

Doesn't explain PC... but PC is broken and half-baked anyways.

Edit2:
This would also explain the turrets being extremely tough but having fairly weak attacks.

These turrets are meant for normal non-clone enemies like bandits that similarly won't be using clone level gear. The extra punch needed to destroy a clone tank would be a waste of money 99% of the time.

However, the turrets are also meant to be used in harsh conditions and work for long periods of time so they need to be tough giving them the durability to withstand clone-level weaponry.