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Shiruba Ryou
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Posted - 2014.02.11 02:17:00 -
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An assault suit with max Dampening skill gets a bae db of 45. With a enhanced Dampener module it gets a db of 36 which is what the adv scanners scan on. Would that suit be scanned or evade it? I'm having trouble testing it because i can't know what scanner an enemy is using.
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation
1655
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Posted - 2014.02.11 02:19:00 -
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Shiruba Ryou wrote:An assault suit with max Dampening skill gets a bae db of 45. With a enhanced Dampener module it gets a db of 36 which is what the adv scanners scan on. Would that suit be scanned or evade it? I'm having trouble testing it because i can't know what scanner an enemy is using.
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KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.02.11 02:19:00 -
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I'm pretty sure you'll get scanned. I think adv scans 36db and higher
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jordy mack
Ultramarine Corp
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Posted - 2014.02.11 02:21:00 -
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Pretty sure if ur on or above u get scanned u must be UNDER that number, also I think they round to the nearest db though I'm not sure. So if ur 35.8 u still light up. Again not 100% sure.
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CCP Saberwing
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.11 02:34:00 -
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As mentioned on IRC, I'll speak with Remnant and see if I can get an answer for you.
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jhon hartigan
Maphia Clan Corporation
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Posted - 2014.02.11 02:39:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:As mentioned on IRC, I'll speak with Remnant and see if I can get an answer for you. Another question about dampening. If I get scanned and then I put my cloak on (that brings me behind the precision of the scanner) I m still visibile in the minimap or I become invisible? |
Adelia Lafayette
Science For Death
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Posted - 2014.02.11 03:50:00 -
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doesnt the skil that unlocks dampneres dampen your suit by 2% per level?
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Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
931
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Posted - 2014.02.11 03:55:00 -
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jhon hartigan wrote:CCP Saberwing wrote:As mentioned on IRC, I'll speak with Remnant and see if I can get an answer for you. Another question about dampening. If I get scanned and then I put my cloak on (that brings me behind the precision of the scanner) I m still visibile in the minimap or I become invisible? Oooohhhhh, good question! |
Shiruba Ryou
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Posted - 2014.02.11 04:03:00 -
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Adelia Lafayette wrote:doesnt the skil that unlocks dampneres dampen your suit by 2% per level? yes
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Ares 514
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
456
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Posted - 2014.02.11 04:06:00 -
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You will get scanned if the same as the scanner db. I believe it rounds up to so if 35.5 or higher you will be scanned.
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Repe Susi
Rautaleijona Top Men.
1014
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Posted - 2014.02.12 11:14:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:As mentioned on IRC, I'll speak with Remnant and see if I can get an answer for you.
Hello? Any news?
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OZAROW
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.02.12 11:49:00 -
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SUPER NOVA KNIFE SAIYAN 4
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
2935
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Posted - 2014.02.12 12:11:00 -
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Personally I think its kinda crappy design that precision enhancers have a lower value than dampeners, considering the base profile is already going to be lower than the base scan.
A person stacking dampeners will always beat out a person stacking enhancers, so why the hell would you ever stack enhancers? Worthless.
And yet I cannot say that I am entirely dissatisfied with how good damps they are. Mainly due to the OP nature of active scanners and the fact that everyone uses them, it's nice that something negates them... I just wish the passive scanners were a bit stronger as you have to sacrifice incredibly valuable high slots to use them in the first place, whereas with active scanners you aren't really sacrificing anything. Especially as a Slayer Logi. |
gbh08
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
209
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Posted - 2014.02.12 12:15:00 -
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im under the impression that a assault suit with enhanced dampener and lvl 5 in the skill should leave you at 35 db, enough to dodge the adv scanner, and with a complex dampener, puts you at 32.5db which is enough to dodge vehicle scanners, seems to be working for me anyhows |
G Torq
ALTA B2O
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Posted - 2014.02.12 12:24:00 -
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Shiruba Ryou wrote:An assault suit with max Dampening skill gets a bae db of 45. With a enhanced Dampener module it gets a db of 36 which is what the adv scanners scan on. Would that suit be scanned or evade it? I'm having trouble testing it because i can't know what scanner an enemy is using. Doesn't matter - you'll need < 35dB to get under vehicle scanners anyway, so put a complex dampener on there.
Also, you need to get UNDER 36dB, so an Adv dampener will not suffice.
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Sana Rayya
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men.
806
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Posted - 2014.02.12 13:22:00 -
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Precision and dampening rounds to the nearest whole number.
Precision enhancers and range amps are really only worthwhile on scouts, where stacking them makes sense and replaces active scanning (at the expense of HP).
In the current build, an advanced precision enhancer on a scout (with Lvl 5 scan precision) will allow you to detect a medium frame that only has one complex dampener. If you upgrade to the complex precision enhancer, you can detect some proto scouts who aren't running dampener modules (but only if their dampening skill is Lvl 3 or lower). |
G Torq
ALTA B2O
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Posted - 2014.02.12 13:43:00 -
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Sana Rayya wrote:Precision and dampening rounds to the nearest whole number. Citation needed ...that doesn't match my impressions.
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Sana Rayya
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men.
806
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Posted - 2014.02.12 13:55:00 -
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G Torq wrote:Sana Rayya wrote:Precision and dampening rounds to the nearest whole number. Citation needed...that doesn't match my impressions.
What are your impressions?
Here are my findings (verified using two PS3s on Oceania):
1) On a medium frame, profile dampening 5 and one Advanced dampener (36dB) does not beat an advanced scanner (36dB). You still get scanned. So if the rounded dampening number is equal to the rounded scanning number, the scanner wins and you are detected.
2) On a scout suit, you need Proto scout, profile dampening 3, and one basic or militia dampener (26.96dB) to beat proto scanners (28dB). If you have the above but only profile dampening 2 (putting you at 27.54dB) you are detected, implying that 27.54dB is rounded up to 28dB.
3) As a scout with Lvl 5 precision enhancement and one advanced precision enhancer, my precision is 34.43dB, yet I can detect medium frames with profile dampening 5 who are running one complex dampener (33.75dB), implying that 34.43dB is rounded down to 34dB, and 33.75dB is rounded up to 34dB, and as the values are the same, I can detect the medium frame. |
Repe Susi
Rautaleijona Top Men.
1015
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Posted - 2014.02.12 14:09:00 -
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Sana Rayya wrote:G Torq wrote:Sana Rayya wrote:Precision and dampening rounds to the nearest whole number. Citation needed...that doesn't match my impressions. What are your impressions? Here are my findings (verified using two PS3s on Oceania): 1) On a medium frame, profile dampening 5 and one Advanced dampener (36dB) does not beat an advanced scanner (36dB). You still get scanned. So if the rounded dampening number is equal to the rounded scanning number, the scanner wins and you are detected. 2) On a scout suit, you need Proto scout, profile dampening 3, and one basic or militia dampener (26.96dB) to beat proto scanners (28dB). If you have the above but only profile dampening 2 (putting you at 27.54dB) you are detected, implying that 27.54dB is rounded up to 28dB. 3) As a scout with Lvl 5 precision enhancement and one advanced precision enhancer, my precision is 34.43dB, yet I can detect medium frames with profile dampening 5 who are running one complex dampener (33.75dB), implying that 34.43dB is rounded down to 34dB, and 33.75dB is rounded up to 34dB, and as the values are the same, I can detect the medium frame.
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gbh08
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
210
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Posted - 2014.02.12 14:23:00 -
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Sana Rayya wrote:G Torq wrote:Sana Rayya wrote:Precision and dampening rounds to the nearest whole number. Citation needed...that doesn't match my impressions. What are your impressions? Here are my findings (verified using two PS3s on Oceania): 1) On a medium frame, profile dampening 5 and one Advanced dampener (36dB) does not beat an advanced scanner (36dB). You still get scanned. So if the rounded dampening number is equal to the rounded scanning number, the scanner wins and you are detected.
hm, im no doubt wrong somehow, but i thought the assualt suit with profile dampening 5 and one advanced dampener (-20%) would be 35 db? 20 % of 50 is 10 and the 10 % of 50 from the skill is 5, and 50 - 15 is 35.... confused
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Repe Susi
Rautaleijona Top Men.
1017
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Posted - 2014.02.12 14:25:00 -
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gbh08 wrote:hm, im no doubt wrong somehow, but i thought the assualt suit with profile dampening 5 and one advanced dampener (-20%) would be 35 db? 20 % of 50 is 10 and the 10 % of 50 from the skill is 5, and 50 - 15 is 35.... confused
You count the skills first. AFTER that the modules. As far as I know.
50 * .9 = 45 45 * .80 = 36
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DISGRUNTLEDev
329
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Posted - 2014.02.12 14:31:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
1197
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Posted - 2014.02.12 14:34:00 -
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Shiruba Ryou wrote:An assault suit with max Dampening skill gets a bae db of 45. With a enhanced Dampener module it gets a db of 36 which is what the adv scanners scan on. Would that suit be scanned or evade it? I'm having trouble testing it because i can't know what scanner an enemy is using.
Fact:
The adv scanner will scan anything with a dB of 35.60 or higher. This has to do with how CCP calculates whole numbers: the round up at .6, so 35.6 becomes 36 and you get scanned.
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Sana Rayya
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men.
811
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Posted - 2014.02.12 14:35:00 -
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gbh08 wrote:hm, im no doubt wrong somehow, but i thought the assualt suit with profile dampening 5 and one advanced dampener (-20%) would be 35 db? 20 % of 50 is 10 and the 10 % of 50 from the skill is 5, and 50 - 15 is 35.... confused
It calculates differently from what you expect. Basically it's [Base Profile] x [Reduction from Passive Skill Bonus] x [Reduction from Modules (with stacking penalties applied if applicable)].
So you get 50 db x .90 x .80, or 36dB. |
Sana Rayya
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men.
811
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Posted - 2014.02.12 14:37:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Shiruba Ryou wrote:An assault suit with max Dampening skill gets a bae db of 45. With a enhanced Dampener module it gets a db of 36 which is what the adv scanners scan on. Would that suit be scanned or evade it? I'm having trouble testing it because i can't know what scanner an enemy is using. Fact: The adv scanner will scan anything with a dB of 35.60 or higher. This has to do with how CCP calculates whole numbers: the round up at .6, so 35.6 becomes 36 and you get scanned.
It still rounds up at XX.54 though.
I don't think I can manipulate the numbers to get more precise than that, but I'll hazard a guess that anything above .5 (inclusive?) is rounded to the higher number. |
gbh08
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
210
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Posted - 2014.02.12 14:43:00 -
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ah, thanks for the explanations, a little confused as to where the .9 and .80 come from but i suck at math lol google will help me here, after i been to the fittings screen and fixed my bad suits
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INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
256
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Posted - 2014.02.12 14:43:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Personally I think its kinda crappy design that precision enhancers have a lower value than dampeners, considering the base profile is already going to be lower than the base scan.
A person stacking dampeners will always beat out a person stacking enhancers, so why the hell would you ever stack enhancers? Worthless.
And yet I cannot say that I am entirely dissatisfied with how good damps they are. Mainly due to the OP nature of active scanners and the fact that everyone uses them, it's nice that something negates them... I just wish the passive scanners were a bit stronger as you have to sacrifice incredibly valuable high slots to use them in the first place, whereas with active scanners you aren't really sacrificing anything. Especially as a Slayer Logi. Some of us even carry multiple scanners..... |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
1197
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Posted - 2014.02.12 14:46:00 -
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Sana Rayya wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Shiruba Ryou wrote:An assault suit with max Dampening skill gets a bae db of 45. With a enhanced Dampener module it gets a db of 36 which is what the adv scanners scan on. Would that suit be scanned or evade it? I'm having trouble testing it because i can't know what scanner an enemy is using. Fact: The adv scanner will scan anything with a dB of 35.60 or higher. This has to do with how CCP calculates whole numbers: the round up at .6, so 35.6 becomes 36 and you get scanned. It still rounds up at XX.54 though. I don't think I can manipulate the numbers to get more precise than that, but I'll hazard a guess that anything above .5 (inclusive?) is rounded to the higher number.
Not the last time I was able to perform a test it didn't. Rounded up at exactly .6 when I did my test using the CPU/PG numbers (by leveling). Can no longer perform this test because I'm at max skills. Can't remember what the margine for potential error was either (it's been a while) but it was very small.
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Sana Rayya
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men.
811
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Posted - 2014.02.12 14:49:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Not the last time I was able to perform a test it didn't. Rounded up at exactly .6 when I did my test using the CPU/PG number (by leveling). Can no longer perform this test because I'm at max skills. Can't remember what the margine for potential error was either (it's been a while) but it was very small.
I'm not sure about CPU/PG. But I'm dead sure about dampening. So maybe they work differently, or there were some variables in your calculation that weren't considered. |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
1199
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Posted - 2014.02.12 14:53:00 -
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Sana Rayya wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Not the last time I was able to perform a test it didn't. Rounded up at exactly .6 when I did my test using the CPU/PG number (by leveling). Can no longer perform this test because I'm at max skills. Can't remember what the margine for potential error was either (it's been a while) but it was very small.
...or there were some variables in your calculation that weren't considered.
Unlikely.
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