DUST Search - Dampening Question

Sana Rayya wrote:

G Torq wrote:

Sana Rayya wrote:

Precision and dampening rounds to the nearest whole number

What are your impressions?

Here are my findings (verified using two PS3s on Oceania):

1) On a medium frame, profile dampening 5 and one Advanced dampener (36dB) does not beat an advanced scanner (36dB). You still get scanned. So if the rounded dampening number is equal to the rounded scanning number, the scanner wins and you are detected.

2) On a scout suit, you need Proto scout, profile dampening 3, and one basic or militia dampener (26.96dB) to beat proto scanners (28dB). If you have the above but only profile dampening 2 (putting you at 27.54dB) you are detected, implying that 27.54dB is rounded up to 28dB.

3) As a scout with Lvl 5 precision enhancement and one advanced precision enhancer, my precision is 34.43dB, yet I can detect medium frames with profile dampening 5 who are running one complex dampener (33.75dB), implying that 34.43dB is rounded down to 34dB, and 33.75dB is rounded up to 34dB, and as the values are the same, I can detect the medium frame.

Good man! Someone actually providing his test setup and results

#1 matches my previous statement, that you need to get below the scanner's precision.

#2+3 does indicate that they are rounding up/down in operation and not just UI. A test some time ago showed otherwise, but I'll take your word for it based on your tests.
(my setup was not strict enough really, hence deferring to your tests)

Sana Rayya wrote:

gbh08 wrote:

hm, im no doubt wrong somehow, but i thought the assualt suit with profile dampening 5 and one advanced dampener (-20%) would be 35 db? 20 % of 50 is 10 and the 10 % of 50 from the skill is 5, and 50 - 15 is 35.... confused What?

It calculates differently from what you expect. Basically it's [Base Profile] x [Reduction from Passive Skill Bonus] x [Reduction from Modules (with stacking penalties applied if applicable)].

So you get 50 db x .90 x .80, or 36dB.

Small note: Due to how CCP seems to apply modifiers, they apparently sort them by size within a type, so it applies larger modifiers first, and by decreasing size. Your example is still valid, is only when you have e.g. 2 dampeners, or 2 precision enhancers (10% dampener is a 0.9 modifier, and thus larger than a 20% dampener at 0.8 modifier)

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Shiruba Ryou 210	Posted - 2014.02.11 02:17:00 - [1] - Quote An assault suit with max Dampening skill gets a bae db of 45. With a enhanced Dampener module it gets a db of 36 which is what the adv scanners scan on. Would that suit be scanned or evade it? I'm having trouble testing it because i can't know what scanner an enemy is using. "Not to worry. The cards say you loved it." `- Ryoutoshi`
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation 1655	Posted - 2014.02.11 02:19:00 - [2] - Quote Shiruba Ryou wrote: An assault suit with max Dampening skill gets a bae db of 45. With a enhanced Dampener module it gets a db of 36 which is what the adv scanners scan on. Would that suit be scanned or evade it? I'm having trouble testing it because i can't know what scanner an enemy is using. Sssssh! It's a secret! I can only tell you you're on the right way. GO ON, invisible friend. Tank 514.
Yeeeuuuupppp KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 68	Posted - 2014.02.11 02:19:00 - [3] - Quote I'm pretty sure you'll get scanned. I think adv scans 36db and higher Carving Hearts in People's Backs, One Day At A Time ~ Nova Knives
jordy mack Ultramarine Corp 155	Posted - 2014.02.11 02:21:00 - [4] - Quote Pretty sure if ur on or above u get scanned u must be UNDER that number, also I think they round to the nearest db though I'm not sure. So if ur 35.8 u still light up. Again not 100% sure. Less QQ more PewPew

CCP Saberwing C C P C C P Alliance 1547	Posted - 2014.02.11 02:34:00 - [5] - Quote As mentioned on IRC, I'll speak with Remnant and see if I can get an answer for you. CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian

jhon hartigan Maphia Clan Corporation 31	Posted - 2014.02.11 02:39:00 - [6] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: As mentioned on IRC, I'll speak with Remnant and see if I can get an answer for you. Another question about dampening. If I get scanned and then I put my cloak on (that brings me behind the precision of the scanner) I m still visibile in the minimap or I become invisible?
Adelia Lafayette Science For Death 631	Posted - 2014.02.11 03:50:00 - [7] - Quote doesnt the skil that unlocks dampneres dampen your suit by 2% per level? Assault dropship gets blown up.... (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ "Kitten this I'm out"... ..."I'm back"
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 931	Posted - 2014.02.11 03:55:00 - [8] - Quote jhon hartigan wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: As mentioned on IRC, I'll speak with Remnant and see if I can get an answer for you. Another question about dampening. If I get scanned and then I put my cloak on (that brings me behind the precision of the scanner) I m still visibile in the minimap or I become invisible? Oooohhhhh, good question!
Shiruba Ryou 210	Posted - 2014.02.11 04:03:00 - [9] - Quote Adelia Lafayette wrote: doesnt the skil that unlocks dampneres dampen your suit by 2% per level? yes "Not to worry. The cards say you loved it." `- Ryoutoshi`
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 456	Posted - 2014.02.11 04:06:00 - [10] - Quote You will get scanned if the same as the scanner db. I believe it rounds up to so if 35.5 or higher you will be scanned. Please fix the mic bubble bug...

Repe Susi Rautaleijona Top Men. 1014	Posted - 2014.02.12 11:14:00 - [11] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: As mentioned on IRC, I'll speak with Remnant and see if I can get an answer for you. Hello? Any news? Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~ Isaac Asimov
OZAROW 0uter.Heaven 1392	Posted - 2014.02.12 11:49:00 - [12] - Quote BumP SUPER NOVA KNIFE SAIYAN 4
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2935	Posted - 2014.02.12 12:11:00 - [13] - Quote Personally I think its kinda crappy design that precision enhancers have a lower value than dampeners, considering the base profile is already going to be lower than the base scan. A person stacking dampeners will always beat out a person stacking enhancers, so why the hell would you ever stack enhancers? Worthless. And yet I cannot say that I am entirely dissatisfied with how good damps they are. Mainly due to the OP nature of active scanners and the fact that everyone uses them, it's nice that something negates them... I just wish the passive scanners were a bit stronger as you have to sacrifice incredibly valuable high slots to use them in the first place, whereas with active scanners you aren't really sacrificing anything. Especially as a Slayer Logi.
gbh08 Intara Direct Action Caldari State 209	Posted - 2014.02.12 12:15:00 - [14] - Quote im under the impression that a assault suit with enhanced dampener and lvl 5 in the skill should leave you at 35 db, enough to dodge the adv scanner, and with a complex dampener, puts you at 32.5db which is enough to dodge vehicle scanners, seems to be working for me anyhows
G Torq ALTA B2O 405	Posted - 2014.02.12 12:24:00 - [15] - Quote Shiruba Ryou wrote: An assault suit with max Dampening skill gets a bae db of 45. With a enhanced Dampener module it gets a db of 36 which is what the adv scanners scan on. Would that suit be scanned or evade it? I'm having trouble testing it because i can't know what scanner an enemy is using. Doesn't matter - you'll need < 35dB to get under vehicle scanners anyway, so put a complex dampener on there. Also, you need to get UNDER 36dB, so an Adv dampener will not suffice. Team Fairy DUST HTTP://Dust.Thang.DK/ - DUST514 Fitting Tool based on DUST SDE
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 806	Posted - 2014.02.12 13:22:00 - [16] - Quote Precision and dampening rounds to the nearest whole number. Precision enhancers and range amps are really only worthwhile on scouts, where stacking them makes sense and replaces active scanning (at the expense of HP). In the current build, an advanced precision enhancer on a scout (with Lvl 5 scan precision) will allow you to detect a medium frame that only has one complex dampener. If you upgrade to the complex precision enhancer, you can detect some proto scouts who aren't running dampener modules (but only if their dampening skill is Lvl 3 or lower).
G Torq ALTA B2O 406	Posted - 2014.02.12 13:43:00 - [17] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: Precision and dampening rounds to the nearest whole number. Citation needed ...that doesn't match my impressions. Team Fairy DUST HTTP://Dust.Thang.DK/ - DUST514 Fitting Tool based on DUST SDE
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 806	Posted - 2014.02.12 13:55:00 - [18] - Quote G Torq wrote: Sana Rayya wrote: Precision and dampening rounds to the nearest whole number. Citation needed ...that doesn't match my impressions. What are your impressions? Here are my findings (verified using two PS3s on Oceania): 1) On a medium frame, profile dampening 5 and one Advanced dampener (36dB) does not beat an advanced scanner (36dB). You still get scanned. So if the rounded dampening number is equal to the rounded scanning number, the scanner wins and you are detected. 2) On a scout suit, you need Proto scout, profile dampening 3, and one basic or militia dampener (26.96dB) to beat proto scanners (28dB). If you have the above but only profile dampening 2 (putting you at 27.54dB) you are detected, implying that 27.54dB is rounded up to 28dB. 3) As a scout with Lvl 5 precision enhancement and one advanced precision enhancer, my precision is 34.43dB, yet I can detect medium frames with profile dampening 5 who are running one complex dampener (33.75dB), implying that 34.43dB is rounded down to 34dB, and 33.75dB is rounded up to 34dB, and as the values are the same, I can detect the medium frame.
Repe Susi Rautaleijona Top Men. 1015	Posted - 2014.02.12 14:09:00 - [19] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: G Torq wrote: Sana Rayya wrote: Precision and dampening rounds to the nearest whole number. Citation needed ...that doesn't match my impressions. What are your impressions? Here are my findings (verified using two PS3s on Oceania): 1) On a medium frame, profile dampening 5 and one Advanced dampener (36dB) does not beat an advanced scanner (36dB). You still get scanned. So if the rounded dampening number is equal to the rounded scanning number, the scanner wins and you are detected. 2) On a scout suit, you need Proto scout, profile dampening 3, and one basic or militia dampener (26.96dB) to beat proto scanners (28dB). If you have the above but only profile dampening 2 (putting you at 27.54dB) you are detected, implying that 27.54dB is rounded up to 28dB. 3) As a scout with Lvl 5 precision enhancement and one advanced precision enhancer, my precision is 34.43dB, yet I can detect medium frames with profile dampening 5 who are running one complex dampener (33.75dB), implying that 34.43dB is rounded down to 34dB, and 33.75dB is rounded up to 34dB, and as the values are the same, I can detect the medium frame. Top Man to the rescue! Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~ Isaac Asimov
gbh08 Intara Direct Action Caldari State 210	Posted - 2014.02.12 14:23:00 - [20] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: G Torq wrote: Sana Rayya wrote: Precision and dampening rounds to the nearest whole number. Citation needed ...that doesn't match my impressions. What are your impressions? Here are my findings (verified using two PS3s on Oceania): 1) On a medium frame, profile dampening 5 and one Advanced dampener (36dB) does not beat an advanced scanner (36dB). You still get scanned. So if the rounded dampening number is equal to the rounded scanning number, the scanner wins and you are detected. hm, im no doubt wrong somehow, but i thought the assualt suit with profile dampening 5 and one advanced dampener (-20%) would be 35 db? 20 % of 50 is 10 and the 10 % of 50 from the skill is 5, and 50 - 15 is 35.... confused

Repe Susi Rautaleijona Top Men. 1017	Posted - 2014.02.12 14:25:00 - [21] - Quote gbh08 wrote: hm, im no doubt wrong somehow, but i thought the assualt suit with profile dampening 5 and one advanced dampener (-20%) would be 35 db? 20 % of 50 is 10 and the 10 % of 50 from the skill is 5, and 50 - 15 is 35.... confused You count the skills first. AFTER that the modules. As far as I know. 50 * .9 = 45 45 * .80 = 36 Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~ Isaac Asimov
DISGRUNTLEDev 329	Posted - 2014.02.12 14:31:00 - [22] - Quote Ninja'd.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1197	Posted - 2014.02.12 14:34:00 - [23] - Quote Shiruba Ryou wrote: An assault suit with max Dampening skill gets a bae db of 45. With a enhanced Dampener module it gets a db of 36 which is what the adv scanners scan on. Would that suit be scanned or evade it? I'm having trouble testing it because i can't know what scanner an enemy is using. Fact: The adv scanner will scan anything with a dB of 35.60 or higher. This has to do with how CCP calculates whole numbers: the round up at .6, so 35.6 becomes 36 and you get scanned. {:)}{3GÇó>
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 811	Posted - 2014.02.12 14:35:00 - [24] - Quote gbh08 wrote: hm, im no doubt wrong somehow, but i thought the assualt suit with profile dampening 5 and one advanced dampener (-20%) would be 35 db? 20 % of 50 is 10 and the 10 % of 50 from the skill is 5, and 50 - 15 is 35.... confused It calculates differently from what you expect. Basically it's [Base Profile] x [Reduction from Passive Skill Bonus] x [Reduction from Modules (with stacking penalties applied if applicable)]. So you get 50 db x .90 x .80, or 36dB.
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 811	Posted - 2014.02.12 14:37:00 - [25] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Shiruba Ryou wrote: An assault suit with max Dampening skill gets a bae db of 45. With a enhanced Dampener module it gets a db of 36 which is what the adv scanners scan on. Would that suit be scanned or evade it? I'm having trouble testing it because i can't know what scanner an enemy is using. Fact: The adv scanner will scan anything with a dB of 35.60 or higher. This has to do with how CCP calculates whole numbers: the round up at .6, so 35.6 becomes 36 and you get scanned. It still rounds up at XX.54 though. I don't think I can manipulate the numbers to get more precise than that, but I'll hazard a guess that anything above .5 (inclusive?) is rounded to the higher number.
gbh08 Intara Direct Action Caldari State 210	Posted - 2014.02.12 14:43:00 - [26] - Quote ah, thanks for the explanations, a little confused as to where the .9 and .80 come from but i suck at math lol google will help me here, after i been to the fittings screen and fixed my bad suits
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC Intara Direct Action Caldari State 256	Posted - 2014.02.12 14:43:00 - [27] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Personally I think its kinda crappy design that precision enhancers have a lower value than dampeners, considering the base profile is already going to be lower than the base scan. A person stacking dampeners will always beat out a person stacking enhancers, so why the hell would you ever stack enhancers? Worthless. And yet I cannot say that I am entirely dissatisfied with how good damps they are. Mainly due to the OP nature of active scanners and the fact that everyone uses them, it's nice that something negates them... I just wish the passive scanners were a bit stronger as you have to sacrifice incredibly valuable high slots to use them in the first place, whereas with active scanners you aren't really sacrificing anything. Especially as a Slayer Logi. Some of us even carry multiple scanners.....
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1197	Posted - 2014.02.12 14:46:00 - [28] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Shiruba Ryou wrote: An assault suit with max Dampening skill gets a bae db of 45. With a enhanced Dampener module it gets a db of 36 which is what the adv scanners scan on. Would that suit be scanned or evade it? I'm having trouble testing it because i can't know what scanner an enemy is using. Fact: The adv scanner will scan anything with a dB of 35.60 or higher. This has to do with how CCP calculates whole numbers: the round up at .6, so 35.6 becomes 36 and you get scanned. It still rounds up at XX.54 though. I don't think I can manipulate the numbers to get more precise than that, but I'll hazard a guess that anything above .5 (inclusive?) is rounded to the higher number. Not the last time I was able to perform a test it didn't. Rounded up at exactly .6 when I did my test using the CPU/PG numbers (by leveling). Can no longer perform this test because I'm at max skills. Can't remember what the margine for potential error was either (it's been a while) but it was very small. {:)}{3GÇó>
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 811	Posted - 2014.02.12 14:49:00 - [29] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Not the last time I was able to perform a test it didn't. Rounded up at exactly .6 when I did my test using the CPU/PG number (by leveling). Can no longer perform this test because I'm at max skills. Can't remember what the margine for potential error was either (it's been a while) but it was very small. I'm not sure about CPU/PG. But I'm dead sure about dampening. So maybe they work differently, or there were some variables in your calculation that weren't considered.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1199	Posted - 2014.02.12 14:53:00 - [30] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Not the last time I was able to perform a test it didn't. Rounded up at exactly .6 when I did my test using the CPU/PG number (by leveling). Can no longer perform this test because I'm at max skills. Can't remember what the margine for potential error was either (it's been a while) but it was very small. ...or there were some variables in your calculation that weren't considered. Unlikely. {:)}{3GÇó>

Nestil Seraphim Auxiliaries 120	Posted - 2014.02.12 15:23:00 - [31] - Quote Joel II X wrote: jhon hartigan wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: As mentioned on IRC, I'll speak with Remnant and see if I can get an answer for you. Another question about dampening. If I get scanned and then I put my cloak on (that brings me behind the precision of the scanner) I m still visibile in the minimap or I become invisible? Oooohhhhh, good question! i think that you'll be disapear from the enemy radar. as it is now if you get scanned and go to a resupply depot and switch to a better damped suit you can actually evade scanners (it will turn from "you have been scanned' to " scan atempt prevented'") i'm pretty sure that will work with cloaks also...
G Torq ALTA B2O 406	Posted - 2014.02.12 17:39:00 - [32] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: G Torq wrote: Sana Rayya wrote: Precision and dampening rounds to the nearest whole number. Citation needed ...that doesn't match my impressions. What are your impressions? Here are my findings (verified using two PS3s on Oceania): 1) On a medium frame, profile dampening 5 and one Advanced dampener (36dB) does not beat an advanced scanner (36dB). You still get scanned. So if the rounded dampening number is equal to the rounded scanning number, the scanner wins and you are detected. 2) On a scout suit, you need Proto scout, profile dampening 3, and one basic or militia dampener (26.96dB) to beat proto scanners (28dB). If you have the above but only profile dampening 2 (putting you at 27.54dB) you are detected, implying that 27.54dB is rounded up to 28dB. 3) As a scout with Lvl 5 precision enhancement and one advanced precision enhancer, my precision is 34.43dB, yet I can detect medium frames with profile dampening 5 who are running one complex dampener (33.75dB), implying that 34.43dB is rounded down to 34dB, and 33.75dB is rounded up to 34dB, and as the values are the same, I can detect the medium frame. Good man! Someone actually providing his test setup and results #1 matches my previous statement, that you need to get below the scanner's precision. #2+3 does indicate that they are rounding up/down in operation and not just UI. A test some time ago showed otherwise, but I'll take your word for it based on your tests. (my setup was not strict enough really, hence deferring to your tests) Sana Rayya wrote: gbh08 wrote: hm, im no doubt wrong somehow, but i thought the assualt suit with profile dampening 5 and one advanced dampener (-20%) would be 35 db? 20 % of 50 is 10 and the 10 % of 50 from the skill is 5, and 50 - 15 is 35.... confused It calculates differently from what you expect. Basically it's [Base Profile] x [Reduction from Passive Skill Bonus] x [Reduction from Modules (with stacking penalties applied if applicable)]. So you get 50 db x .90 x .80, or 36dB. Small note: Due to how CCP seems to apply modifiers, they apparently sort them by size within a type, so it applies larger modifiers first, and by decreasing size. Your example is still valid, is only when you have e.g. 2 dampeners, or 2 precision enhancers (10% dampener is a 0.9 modifier, and thus larger than a 20% dampener at 0.8 modifier) Team Fairy DUST HTTP://Dust.Thang.DK/ - DUST514 Fitting Tool based on DUST SDE
G Torq ALTA B2O 406	Posted - 2014.02.12 17:48:00 - [33] - Quote Observation: If there is a general interest in this, we can look at committing this kind of detail to the NED pages. Grab me, Grit_Breather or Musta Tornious to discuss access to NED and creating the relevant pages. Team Fairy DUST HTTP://Dust.Thang.DK/ - DUST514 Fitting Tool based on DUST SDE
ratamaq doc Edge Regiment 383	Posted - 2014.02.12 18:03:00 - [34] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: G Torq wrote: Sana Rayya wrote: Precision and dampening rounds to the nearest whole number What are your impressions? Here are my findings (verified using two PS3s on Oceania): 1) On a medium frame, profile dampening 5 and one Advanced dampener (36dB) does not beat an advanced scanner (36dB). You still get scanned. So if the rounded dampening number is equal to the rounded scanning number, the scanner wins and you are detected. 2) On a scout suit, you need Proto scout, profile dampening 3, and one basic or militia dampener (26.96dB) to beat proto scanners (28dB). If you have the above but only profile dampening 2 (putting you at 27.54dB) you are detected, implying that 27.54dB is rounded up to 28dB. 3) As a scout with Lvl 5 precision enhancement and one advanced precision enhancer, my precision is 34.43dB, yet I can detect medium frames with profile dampening 5 who are running one complex dampener (33.75dB), implying that 34.43dB is rounded down to 34dB, and 33.75dB is rounded up to 34dB, and as the values are the same, I can detect the medium frame. Good man! Someone actually providing his test setup and results #1 matches my previous statement, that you need to get below the scanner's precision. #2+3 does indicate that they are rounding up/down in operation and not just UI. A test some time ago showed otherwise, but I'll take your word for it based on your tests. (my setup was not strict enough really, hence deferring to your tests) Sana Rayya wrote: gbh08 wrote: hm, im no doubt wrong somehow, but i thought the assualt suit with profile dampening 5 and one advanced dampener (-20%) would be 35 db? 20 % of 50 is 10 and the 10 % of 50 from the skill is 5, and 50 - 15 is 35.... confused It calculates differently from what you expect. Basically it's [Base Profile] x [Reduction from Passive Skill Bonus] x [Reduction from Modules (with stacking penalties applied if applicable)]. So you get 50 db x .90 x .80, or 36dB. Small note: Due to how CCP seems to apply modifiers, they apparently sort them by size within a type, so it applies larger modifiers first, and by decreasing size. Your example is still valid, is only when you have e.g. 2 dampeners, or 2 precision enhancers (10% dampener is a 0.9 modifier, and thus larger than a 20% dampener at 0.8 modifier) Yes this^ We did exstensive math and real world test. I didn't know about #3, but it makes since, thanks for that. The take always for you all should be this. Med frame full skills need 1 complex to avoid ADV scanners and 2 complex to avoid proto at the games current state. Due to the way it calculates I believe, and have submitted as a bug that it should only require 1 complex and 1 enhanced to avoid proto, but that is NOT the case on the battle field. If you want to avoid the 28db scanner today, as a med frame you need two complex dampeners. YouTube 30D Recruiting
Appia Vibbia Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1131	Posted - 2014.02.12 19:15:00 - [35] - Quote ratamaq doc wrote: Med frame full skills need 1 complex to avoid ADV scanners and 2 complex to avoid proto at the games current state. Due to the way it calculates I believe, and have submitted as a bug that it should only require 1 complex and 1 enhanced to avoid proto, but that is NOT the case on the battle field. If you want to avoid the 28db scanner today, as a med frame you need two complex dampeners. so you're saying 27.88 should not be scanned by a 28dB scanner?! Preposterous. Appia Vibbia for CPM1 [email protected] (checked every Monday/Wednesday/Friday)
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 815	Posted - 2014.02.12 19:29:00 - [36] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: ratamaq doc wrote: Med frame full skills need 1 complex to avoid ADV scanners and 2 complex to avoid proto at the games current state. Due to the way it calculates I believe, and have submitted as a bug that it should only require 1 complex and 1 enhanced to avoid proto, but that is NOT the case on the battle field. If you want to avoid the 28db scanner today, as a med frame you need two complex dampeners. so you're saying 27.88 should not be scanned by a 28dB scanner?! Preposterous. I think what ratamaq doc and G Torq are saying is that the penalty for negative modifiers is calculated in a bassackwards way. Instead of considering the module with the most reduction first (complex), it considers the lower modules first, as these are taken to be "greater" by the fact that they are less negative (i.e. -20% for enhanced is "greater" than -25% for complex). So if you have a mix of basic/advanced/complex modules, your best modules are actually the least effective due to stacking penalties considering them as the last modules in the series.
The Eristic Sad Panda Solutions 180	Posted - 2014.02.12 20:03:00 - [37] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Shiruba Ryou wrote: An assault suit with max Dampening skill gets a bae db of 45. With a enhanced Dampener module it gets a db of 36 which is what the adv scanners scan on. Would that suit be scanned or evade it? I'm having trouble testing it because i can't know what scanner an enemy is using. Fact: The adv scanner will scan anything with a dB of 35.60 or higher. This has to do with how CCP calculates whole numbers: they round up at .6, so 35.6 becomes 36 and you get scanned. Yeah, they seriously need to stop doing that. It requires well over a million SP (Scout IV + Damp II or III?) to make a scout passively beat vehicle scanners (which requires 0 SP for the militia - I have no idea why they lowered vehicle scanner precision so much, used to be the same as basic scanners, iIrc) and Adv Scans (~200k SP).
Brokerib Lone Wolves Club 524	Posted - 2014.02.13 12:58:00 - [38] - Quote Bueller? Knowledge is power
Marston VC SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1552	Posted - 2014.02.13 13:54:00 - [39] - Quote Shiruba Ryou wrote: An assault suit with max Dampening skill gets a bae db of 45. With a enhanced Dampener module it gets a db of 36 which is what the adv scanners scan on. Would that suit be scanned or evade it? I'm having trouble testing it because i can't know what scanner an enemy is using. no, we've tested it and it seems that you have to be under the scan precision of the scanner to not get scanned. Which makes sense. Of course I could be wrong, but heres the general rule I use when making a fitting. One complex dampener will get me under advanced scanners Two complex dampeners will get me under all but one proto scanner. Marston VC, STB Director


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