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Sana Rayya
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Posted - 2014.02.12 13:22:00 -
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Precision and dampening rounds to the nearest whole number.
Precision enhancers and range amps are really only worthwhile on scouts, where stacking them makes sense and replaces active scanning (at the expense of HP).
In the current build, an advanced precision enhancer on a scout (with Lvl 5 scan precision) will allow you to detect a medium frame that only has one complex dampener. If you upgrade to the complex precision enhancer, you can detect some proto scouts who aren't running dampener modules (but only if their dampening skill is Lvl 3 or lower). |
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Posted - 2014.02.12 13:55:00 -
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G Torq wrote:Sana Rayya wrote:Precision and dampening rounds to the nearest whole number. Citation needed...that doesn't match my impressions.
What are your impressions?
Here are my findings (verified using two PS3s on Oceania):
1) On a medium frame, profile dampening 5 and one Advanced dampener (36dB) does not beat an advanced scanner (36dB). You still get scanned. So if the rounded dampening number is equal to the rounded scanning number, the scanner wins and you are detected.
2) On a scout suit, you need Proto scout, profile dampening 3, and one basic or militia dampener (26.96dB) to beat proto scanners (28dB). If you have the above but only profile dampening 2 (putting you at 27.54dB) you are detected, implying that 27.54dB is rounded up to 28dB.
3) As a scout with Lvl 5 precision enhancement and one advanced precision enhancer, my precision is 34.43dB, yet I can detect medium frames with profile dampening 5 who are running one complex dampener (33.75dB), implying that 34.43dB is rounded down to 34dB, and 33.75dB is rounded up to 34dB, and as the values are the same, I can detect the medium frame. |
Sana Rayya
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Posted - 2014.02.12 14:35:00 -
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gbh08 wrote:hm, im no doubt wrong somehow, but i thought the assualt suit with profile dampening 5 and one advanced dampener (-20%) would be 35 db? 20 % of 50 is 10 and the 10 % of 50 from the skill is 5, and 50 - 15 is 35.... confused 
It calculates differently from what you expect. Basically it's [Base Profile] x [Reduction from Passive Skill Bonus] x [Reduction from Modules (with stacking penalties applied if applicable)].
So you get 50 db x .90 x .80, or 36dB. |
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Posted - 2014.02.12 14:37:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Shiruba Ryou wrote:An assault suit with max Dampening skill gets a bae db of 45. With a enhanced Dampener module it gets a db of 36 which is what the adv scanners scan on. Would that suit be scanned or evade it? I'm having trouble testing it because i can't know what scanner an enemy is using. Fact: The adv scanner will scan anything with a dB of 35.60 or higher. This has to do with how CCP calculates whole numbers: the round up at .6, so 35.6 becomes 36 and you get scanned.
It still rounds up at XX.54 though.
I don't think I can manipulate the numbers to get more precise than that, but I'll hazard a guess that anything above .5 (inclusive?) is rounded to the higher number. |
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Posted - 2014.02.12 14:49:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:
Not the last time I was able to perform a test it didn't. Rounded up at exactly .6 when I did my test using the CPU/PG number (by leveling). Can no longer perform this test because I'm at max skills. Can't remember what the margine for potential error was either (it's been a while) but it was very small.
I'm not sure about CPU/PG. But I'm dead sure about dampening. So maybe they work differently, or there were some variables in your calculation that weren't considered. |
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Posted - 2014.02.12 19:29:00 -
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Appia Vibbia wrote:ratamaq doc wrote:Med frame full skills need 1 complex to avoid ADV scanners and 2 complex to avoid proto at the games current state. Due to the way it calculates I believe, and have submitted as a bug that it should only require 1 complex and 1 enhanced to avoid proto, but that is NOT the case on the battle field. If you want to avoid the 28db scanner today, as a med frame you need two complex dampeners.
so you're saying 27.88 should not be scanned by a 28dB scanner?! Preposterous.
I think what ratamaq doc and G Torq are saying is that the penalty for negative modifiers is calculated in a bassackwards way.
Instead of considering the module with the most reduction first (complex), it considers the lower modules first, as these are taken to be "greater" by the fact that they are less negative (i.e. -20% for enhanced is "greater" than -25% for complex).
So if you have a mix of basic/advanced/complex modules, your best modules are actually the least effective due to stacking penalties considering them as the last modules in the series. |
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