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Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 886	Posted - 2014.02.10 16:09:00 - [1] - Quote The mass driver and laser are getting buffed Now how about buffing the: Shotgun Plasma cannon Flaylock
jhon hartigan Maphia Clan Corporation 22	Posted - 2014.02.10 16:11:00 - [2] - Quote NK?
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 886	Posted - 2014.02.10 16:13:00 - [3] - Quote jhon hartigan wrote: NK? Allow sprint and charge
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 1085	Posted - 2014.02.10 16:14:00 - [4] - Quote As someone who wants the MDs buff, the flaylock isn't bad where it's at. Low fitting cost, practically no CPU and I think no PG. It's good for getting AoE hits and if your target gets contact with the projectile it's good damage. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
jhon hartigan Maphia Clan Corporation 22	Posted - 2014.02.10 16:14:00 - [5] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: jhon hartigan wrote: NK? Allow sprint and charge Yes that d be great! And maybe a bit more range, not a lot, just a bit
Mors Falce The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 28	Posted - 2014.02.10 16:15:00 - [6] - Quote Honestly NK are in a good position right now. If they buff them more, people will start complaining because they suck and then CCP will nerf the hell out of them.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 886	Posted - 2014.02.10 16:17:00 - [7] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: As someone who wants the MDs buff, the flaylock isn't bad where it's at. Low fitting cost, practically no CPU and I think no PG. It's good for getting AoE hits and if your target gets contact with the projectile it's good damage. What AOE? It's AOE is WAAAY to small, and direct impact is worse than any other side arm Id rather try to melee someone than flaylock them Flaylock pistol is the hardest to use AND the worst Anything other than proto is useless
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 886	Posted - 2014.02.10 16:18:00 - [8] - Quote jhon hartigan wrote: Dexter307 wrote: jhon hartigan wrote: NK? Allow sprint and charge Yes that d be great! And maybe a bit more range, not a lot, just a bit I think the range is fine since it's a melee weapon, it's problem is it's to easy to backpedal from just like shotguns
jhon hartigan Maphia Clan Corporation 22	Posted - 2014.02.10 16:20:00 - [9] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: jhon hartigan wrote: Dexter307 wrote: jhon hartigan wrote: NK? Allow sprint and charge Yes that d be great! And maybe a bit more range, not a lot, just a bit I think the range is fine since it's a melee weapon, it's problem is it's to easy to backpedal from just like shotguns If they add the possibility to charge while sprinting they d be ok.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2195	Posted - 2014.02.10 16:22:00 - [10] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: The mass driver and laser are getting buffed Now how about buffing the: Shotgun Plasma cannon Flaylock I would love for the PLC to have a DoT effect. Sadly, they can not do this...:( "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire

Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 888	Posted - 2014.02.10 17:08:00 - [11] - Quote I hope we get a shotgun buff
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2448	Posted - 2014.02.10 17:10:00 - [12] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: As someone who wants the MDs buff, the flaylock isn't bad where it's at. Low fitting cost, practically no CPU and I think no PG. It's good for getting AoE hits and if your target gets contact with the projectile it's good damage. Roy Ventus, you just solved my fitting problem! I have Engineering to 5, but on my Advanced Sentinel with two Compex Kinetic Catalysers I had to skill HMG Fitting Optimization to 3 just to be able to fit a Locus Grenade. With no sidearm I do not have a single point of Power Grid left. If the Flaylock has no PG requirement I may actually be able to fit a sidearm after all! It may not be an SMG, but when my HMG runs dry the Flaylock will certainly be better than trying to survive the HMG's 6 second reload cycle! Fox Gaden: DUST Wall of Fame, 2014
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1125	Posted - 2014.02.10 17:11:00 - [13] - Quote We've already seen flaylock 514, don't buff it unless you want to go through that fiasco again, its bad enough everyones gonna be calling dropships to get up on roofs to spam mass drivers next build. STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Water Pipe Aficionado, Cannabis Sativa Connoisseur
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 9009	Posted - 2014.02.10 17:12:00 - [14] - Quote Flaylock does need a buff. To shotgun users, what do shotguns need? I notice they only have like a 4 meter optimal range, I think the spread is enough to warrant a bit higher range; 10 meters maybe. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 9009	Posted - 2014.02.10 17:13:00 - [15] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: We've already seen flaylock 514, don't buff it unless you want to go through that fiasco again, its bad enough everyones gonna be calling dropships to get up on roofs to spam mass drivers next build. There exist a place between uselessness, and overpowered. I don't want any useless weapons in Dust. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
jhon hartigan Maphia Clan Corporation 22	Posted - 2014.02.10 17:14:00 - [16] - Quote Dont buff the flaylock, can you imagine a Min assault with a buffed flaylock with 8 shots per clip?
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2525	Posted - 2014.02.10 17:15:00 - [17] - Quote Wait, since when was the mass driver UP? I can still spam shots at the ground bunny hopping like an idiot and get plenty of kills And since the lock is being discussed its projectiles need a speed increase and that is it You can bomb it, you can strafe it, you can cover it with poison, you can turn it into glass, but you don't own it unles
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 889	Posted - 2014.02.10 17:20:00 - [18] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Flaylock does need a buff. To shotgun users, what do shotguns need? I notice they only have like a 4 meter optimal range, I think the spread is enough to warrant a bit higher range; 10 meters maybe. I want a 1 meter increase to range and a increase in damage to make it useful against adv and pro suits
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 889	Posted - 2014.02.10 17:21:00 - [19] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Wait, since when was the mass driver UP? I can still spam shots at the ground bunny hopping like an idiot and get plenty of kills And since the lock is being discussed its projectiles need a speed increase and that is it Since rifles MD is getting a buff in 1.8 so it should be good again
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 889	Posted - 2014.02.10 17:23:00 - [20] - Quote jhon hartigan wrote: Dont buff the flaylock, can you imagine a Min assault with a buffed flaylock with 8 shots per clip? KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Flaylock does need a buff. To shotgun users, what do shotguns need? I notice they only have like a 4 meter optimal range, I think the spread is enough to warrant a bit higher range; 10 meters maybe. So leave the flaylock useless? The flaylock could have a 100 round clip and it would still be the worst sidearm

jhon hartigan Maphia Clan Corporation 22	Posted - 2014.02.10 17:27:00 - [21] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: jhon hartigan wrote: Dont buff the flaylock, can you imagine a Min assault with a buffed flaylock with 8 shots per clip? KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Flaylock does need a buff. To shotgun users, what do shotguns need? I notice they only have like a 4 meter optimal range, I think the spread is enough to warrant a bit higher range; 10 meters maybe. So leave the flaylock useless? The flaylock could have a 100 round clip and it would still be the worst sidearm I think a Min assault with a flaylock with 8 shots is all but uselesd
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1796	Posted - 2014.02.10 17:29:00 - [22] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: As someone who wants the MDs buff, the flaylock isn't bad where it's at. Low fitting cost, practically no CPU and I think no PG. It's good for getting AoE hits and if your target gets contact with the projectile it's good damage. What AOE? It's AOE is WAAAY to small, and direct impact is worse than any other side arm Id rather try to melee someone than flaylock them Flaylock pistol is the hardest to use AND the worst Anything other than proto is useless That's why we had Flaylock 514. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 84	Posted - 2014.02.10 17:32:00 - [23] - Quote cool it's a good thing they nerfed all these weaps back then so they can buff them again. that kinda stuff is what they invented the word excitement for. this is outstanding development u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll.
Smooth Assassin Stardust Incorporation IMMORTAL REGIME 815	Posted - 2014.02.10 17:33:00 - [24] - Quote Shotguns only buff required is a hit detection fix... *Assassination is my thing.*
HYENAKILLER X Knightz of the Round Legacy Rising 564	Posted - 2014.02.10 17:33:00 - [25] - Quote Buff scrambler over heat! You are welcome for my leadership. Proven Aggressive Type I have spoken.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 9009	Posted - 2014.02.10 17:33:00 - [26] - Quote We should not balance around the Minmatar assault bonus CCP has announced; the 1+ explosive magazine for level part is likely to be changed from community feedback (its way too crazy not to), and even if it doesn't, the flaylock will still suck in the hands of any other suit. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2765	Posted - 2014.02.10 17:34:00 - [27] - Quote I guess it's time to dust off the Mass Driver. ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 238	Posted - 2014.02.10 17:35:00 - [28] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: As someone who wants the MDs buff, the flaylock isn't bad where it's at. Low fitting cost, practically no CPU and I think no PG. It's good for getting AoE hits and if your target gets contact with the projectile it's good damage. Roy Ventus, you just solved my fitting problem! I have Engineering to 5, but on my Advanced Sentinel with two Compex Kinetic Catalysers I had to skill HMG Fitting Optimization to 3 just to be able to fit a Locus Grenade. With no sidearm I do not have a single point of Power Grid left. If the Flaylock has no PG requirement I may actually be able to fit a sidearm after all! It may not be an SMG, but when my HMG runs dry the Flaylock will certainly be better than trying to survive the HMG's 6 second reload cycle! I had a number of Scout suits that had 0 PG available, so specced into Flaylocks. I don't get many kills with 'em, but when I do, they literally save my @$$... Or, they're 40+m away. xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own... So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 889	Posted - 2014.02.10 17:39:00 - [29] - Quote jhon hartigan wrote: Dexter307 wrote: jhon hartigan wrote: Dont buff the flaylock, can you imagine a Min assault with a buffed flaylock with 8 shots per clip? KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Flaylock does need a buff. To shotgun users, what do shotguns need? I notice they only have like a 4 meter optimal range, I think the spread is enough to warrant a bit higher range; 10 meters maybe. So leave the flaylock useless? The flaylock could have a 100 round clip and it would still be the worst sidearm I think a Min assault with a flaylock with 8 shots is all but uselesd 8 shots that are pointless to go for direct impact and have virtually no AOE damage Or I could just use a TT3 scrambler pistol that can do 435 damage a shot as fast as you can pull the trigger with headshots Or a SMG that kills almost as fast as a rifle Or NKs that can do 1000+ DMG
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 186	Posted - 2014.02.10 17:41:00 - [30] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: Shotguns only buff required is a hit detection fix... And new iron sights and increased ads turn speed with more range while ads.

Marlin Kirby KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 346	Posted - 2014.02.10 17:41:00 - [31] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: We've already seen flaylock 514, don't buff it unless you want to go through that fiasco again, its bad enough everyones gonna be calling dropships to get up on roofs to spam mass drivers next build. There exist a place between uselessness, and overpowered. I don't want any useless weapons in Dust. It's impossible to balance the flaylock, KAGE. It should have never of been put in the game. I what I would do is remove the function of the flaylock all together (no longer shoots missiles) and make it more like a conventional pistol. It's a cool looking weapon with a lot of effort put into, so they don't need to delete the model. - Rename weapon (Combat pistol?) - Make it shoot bullets - Keep in game model and reload animation The not Logic Bomb! -->We need better comms!<--
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 889	Posted - 2014.02.10 17:44:00 - [32] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: Shotguns only buff required is a hit detection fix... No
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 9009	Posted - 2014.02.10 17:45:00 - [33] - Quote Marlin Kirby wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: We've already seen flaylock 514, don't buff it unless you want to go through that fiasco again, its bad enough everyones gonna be calling dropships to get up on roofs to spam mass drivers next build. There exist a place between uselessness, and overpowered. I don't want any useless weapons in Dust. It's impossible to balance the flaylock, KAGE. It should have never of been put in the game. I what I would do is remove the function of the flaylock all together (no longer shoots missiles) and make it more like a conventional pistol. It's a cool looking weapon with a lot of effort put into, so they don't need to delete the model. - Rename weapon (Combat pistol?) - Make it shoot bullets - Keep in game model and reload animation I disagree. There is a way the current design can exist without making it OP or UP. They lock's advantage is splash, which is guaranteed damage, but for the guaranteed damage it sacrifices DPS; finding the right balance between the guaranteed damage and DPS is the key. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
dullrust Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 44	Posted - 2014.02.10 17:45:00 - [34] - Quote jhon hartigan wrote: Dexter307 wrote: jhon hartigan wrote: NK? Allow sprint and charge Yes that d be great! And maybe a bit more range, not a lot, just a bit actually the damage is mostly fine on KN. not exactly sure of the range. what is it like 1m? judging by the animation its 1 slash followed by a stab. okay so the slash is a 1m arc. the stab could be another meter straight out. in the direction your facing. coupled with charge while sprinting and that should do. maybe if they still need some buff allow a mybrofibral (however its spelled) to affect KN damage at half the value of its melee buff. other than that I don't really see any truly UP weapons. Anything is deadly in the right hands or circumstances. I am nobody.
Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 712	Posted - 2014.02.10 17:49:00 - [35] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: We've already seen flaylock 514, don't buff it unless you want to go through that fiasco again, its bad enough everyones gonna be calling dropships to get up on roofs to spam mass drivers next build. And when people are in Heavy and Commando suits, you're just going to be wasting ammo, especially since Hives took a nerf.
Marlin Kirby KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 346	Posted - 2014.02.10 17:54:00 - [36] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Marlin Kirby wrote: It's impossible to balance the flaylock, KAGE. It should have never of been put in the game. I disagree. There is a way the current design can exist without making it OP or UP. They lock's advantage is splash, which is guaranteed damage, but for the guaranteed damage it sacrifices DPS; finding the right balance between the guaranteed damage and DPS is the key. Then you're trying to balance a weapons DPS that has a visible travel, with no real arc, and splash damage with a weapons that need a direct hit to work. If you match the DPS with ScP (for example) then people will choose the flaylock over it every time, but if the DPS for ScP is higher then everyone will choose the ScP because people will chose the doom laser oppose to the potato cannon. It requires way too much experimenting. The not Logic Bomb! -->We need better comms!<--
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 889	Posted - 2014.02.10 17:58:00 - [37] - Quote Marlin Kirby wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Marlin Kirby wrote: It's impossible to balance the flaylock, KAGE. It should have never of been put in the game. I disagree. There is a way the current design can exist without making it OP or UP. They lock's advantage is splash, which is guaranteed damage, but for the guaranteed damage it sacrifices DPS; finding the right balance between the guaranteed damage and DPS is the key. Then you're trying to balance a weapons DPS that has a visible travel, with no real arc, and splash damage with a weapons that need a direct hit to work. If you match the DPS with ScP (for example) then people will choose the flaylock over it every time, but if the DPS for ScP is higher then everyone will choose the ScP because people will chose the doom laser oppose to the potato cannon. It requires way too much experimenting. Lower DPS with splash=balenced It's UP right now because it has pretty much no splash AOE
Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 542	Posted - 2014.02.10 18:03:00 - [38] - Quote Marlin Kirby wrote: It's impossible to balance the flaylock, KAGE. It should have never of been put in the game. I what I would do is remove the function of the flaylock all together (no longer shoots missiles) and make it more like a conventional pistol. It's a cool looking weapon with a lot of effort put into, so they don't need to delete the model. - Rename weapon (Combat pistol?) - Make it shoot bullets - Keep in game model and reload animation Why is it impossible? Because it has travel time? I don't want another "conventional pistol." - The Scrambler Pistol is already a "conventional pistol" in the way it operates. - The Bolt Pistol will be a machine pistol (has automatic fire, even if it's a rather low RoF) - The Ion Pistol will be a charge pistol So the Flaylock needs to remain a unique. - Maybe a limited tracking function for the projectiles (With Other Parameters Changed for Balance) - Maybe a proximity detonation for the round (WOPCB) - Or it could keep it's current mechanics and just have it's numbers tweaked a bit more. Aye, the ScP can do 435 damage a shot, but that's only if the user is able to land them all on the head, the smallest target. Body shots do only 88 at proto, the Flaylock does twice that at STD level, and also is more forgiving because it has an AoE range (that grows with levels and tiers, starting at 1m at lvl 1 and STD and ending at 1.8 at PRO). I am quite certain that it's direct damage, splash damage (which is 87% of direct, a high percentage) and splash range that will make it comparable. I contribute nothing.
jhon hartigan Maphia Clan Corporation 23	Posted - 2014.02.10 18:06:00 - [39] - Quote When speaking about sidearms everyone become a superhero of aim and can Land every single shot of his scp on the Head of the opponent. Wow... Maybe I m the only one that sometime miss a shot.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 889	Posted - 2014.02.10 18:07:00 - [40] - Quote Arx Ardashir wrote: Marlin Kirby wrote: It's impossible to balance the flaylock, KAGE. It should have never of been put in the game. I what I would do is remove the function of the flaylock all together (no longer shoots missiles) and make it more like a conventional pistol. It's a cool looking weapon with a lot of effort put into, so they don't need to delete the model. - Rename weapon (Combat pistol?) - Make it shoot bullets - Keep in game model and reload animation Why is it impossible? Because it has travel time? I don't want another "conventional pistol." - The Scrambler Pistol is already a "conventional pistol" in the way it operates. - The Bolt Pistol will be a machine pistol (has automatic fire, even if it's a rather low RoF) - The Ion Pistol will be a charge pistol So the Flaylock needs to remain a unique. - Maybe a limited tracking function for the projectiles (With Other Parameters Changed for Balance) - Maybe a proximity detonation for the round (WOPCB) - Or it could keep it's current mechanics and just have it's numbers tweaked a bit more. Aye, the ScP can do 435 damage a shot, but that's only if the user is able to land them all on the head, the smallest target. Body shots do only 88 at proto, the Flaylock does twice that at STD level, and also is more forgiving because it has an AoE range (that grows with levels and tiers, starting at 1m at lvl 1 and STD and ending at 1.8 at PRO). I am quite certain that it's direct damage, splash damage (which is 87% of direct, a high percentage) and splash range that will make it comparable. Unless splash radius is increased all methods of dealing flaylock damage is pointless

Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 891	Posted - 2014.02.10 18:08:00 - [41] - Quote jhon hartigan wrote: When speaking about sidearms everyone become a superhero of aim and can Land every single shot of his scp on the Head of the opponent. Wow... Maybe I m the only one that sometime miss a shot. It's not hard to lineup head shots, and you only need 2-3 headshots to kill out of your 11 total shots
Marlin Kirby KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 346	Posted - 2014.02.10 18:20:00 - [42] - Quote Arx Ardashir wrote: Marlin Kirby wrote: It's impossible to balance the flaylock, KAGE. It should have never of been put in the game. I what I would do is remove the function of the flaylock all together (no longer shoots missiles) and make it more like a conventional pistol. It's a cool looking weapon with a lot of effort put into, so they don't need to delete the model. - Rename weapon (Combat pistol?) - Make it shoot bullets - Keep in game model and reload animation Why is it impossible? Because it has travel time? I don't want another "conventional pistol." - The Scrambler Pistol is already a "conventional pistol" in the way it operates. - The Bolt Pistol will be a machine pistol (has automatic fire, even if it's a rather low RoF) - The Ion Pistol will be a charge pistol So the Flaylock needs to remain a unique. - Maybe a limited tracking function for the projectiles (With Other Parameters Changed for Balance) - Maybe a proximity detonation for the round (WOPCB) - Or it could keep it's current mechanics and just have it's numbers tweaked a bit more. Aye, the ScP can do 435 damage a shot, but that's only if the user is able to land them all on the head, the smallest target. Body shots do only 88 at proto, the Flaylock does twice that at STD level, and also is more forgiving because it has an AoE range (that grows with levels and tiers, starting at 1m at lvl 1 and STD and ending at 1.8 at PRO). I am quite certain that it's direct damage, splash damage (which is 87% of direct, a high percentage) and splash range that will make it comparable. I know another standard pistol sounds kind of boring, but it's a million times easier to balance. Making it track a little or proxy detonate would make it OP or UP because it will be a instant win weapon or an inconvenience for the enemy (sort of like swarm launchers now that I think about it) The not Logic Bomb! -->We need better comms!<--
Marlin Kirby KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 346	Posted - 2014.02.10 18:22:00 - [43] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Lower DPS with splash=balenced It's UP right now because it has pretty much no splash AOE Increase the radius too much and you get flaylock 514 again. The weapon was designed to be a panic weapon not a suppression weapon like the MD. The problem is that CCP did too good of a job so people started running around with dual flaylocks with damage mods. Camera shake from explosions makes this worse because it's more difficult to aim. I even made a thread on removing or reducing camera shake a few months ago. I don't believe in it anymore because the damn aim-assist made it less relevant, but it's still a problem sometimes. jhon hartigan wrote: When speaking about sidearms everyone become a superhero of aim and can Land every single shot of his scp on the Head of the opponent. Wow... Maybe I m the only one that sometime miss a shot. Most enemies are the same height, it's not hard if your weapon is pinpoint accurate. The not Logic Bomb! -->We need better comms!<--
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 891	Posted - 2014.02.10 18:34:00 - [44] - Quote Marlin Kirby wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Lower DPS with splash=balenced It's UP right now because it has pretty much no splash AOE Increase the radius too much and you get flaylock 514 again. The weapon was designed to be a panic weapon not a suppression weapon like the MD. The problem is that CCP did too good of a job so people started running around with dual flaylocks with damage mods. Camera shake from explosions makes this worse because it's more difficult to aim. I even made a thread on removing or reducing camera shake a few months ago. I don't believe in it anymore because the damn aim-assist made it less relevant, but it's still a problem sometimes. jhon hartigan wrote: When speaking about sidearms everyone become a superhero of aim and can Land every single shot of his scp on the Head of the opponent. Wow... Maybe I m the only one that sometime miss a shot. Most enemies are the same height, it's not hard if your weapon is pinpoint accurate. Splash radius was never the problem, it was the damage. Rebuff the splash and it will be useful again.
Marlin Kirby KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 346	Posted - 2014.02.10 18:46:00 - [45] - Quote How much of a radius buff do you have in mind? I need to look at the stats for the flaylock as it exists now again. The not Logic Bomb! -->We need better comms!<--
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 2861	Posted - 2014.02.10 18:46:00 - [46] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: As someone who wants the MDs buff, the flaylock isn't bad where it's at. Low fitting cost, practically no CPU and I think no PG. It's good for getting AoE hits and if your target gets contact with the projectile it's good damage. I can agree with this. It needs more direct damage though. Bring Direct Damage back up to pre-nerf 190, 200, 230 (I THINK) This means with full Proficiency, you can land a single shot to the chest and deal 330 armor damage a shot. Since direct damage ignores splash resistance, you can use the flaylock as a heavy buster. Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
Marlin Kirby KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 346	Posted - 2014.02.10 18:52:00 - [47] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: As someone who wants the MDs buff, the flaylock isn't bad where it's at. Low fitting cost, practically no CPU and I think no PG. It's good for getting AoE hits and if your target gets contact with the projectile it's good damage. I can agree with this. It needs more direct damage though. Bring Direct Damage back up to pre-nerf 190, 200, 230 (I THINK) This means with full Proficiency, you can land a single shot to the chest and deal 330 armor damage a shot. Since direct damage ignores splash resistance, you can use the flaylock as a heavy buster. That's pretty OP. No one likes getting one shot in games. The not Logic Bomb! -->We need better comms!<--
Scout Registry Nos Nothi 1267	Posted - 2014.02.10 18:55:00 - [48] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: jhon hartigan wrote: NK? Allow sprint and charge You don't want that. Promise. Just nerf backpedal speed. +1 for buffing to SG and Plasma Cannon. Can't comment on the Flaylock (haven't used it in a few builds).
Marlin Kirby KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 346	Posted - 2014.02.10 18:58:00 - [49] - Quote Scout Registry wrote: Dexter307 wrote: jhon hartigan wrote: NK? Allow sprint and charge You don't want that. Promise. Just nerf backpedal speed. +1 for buffing to SG and Plasma Cannon. Can't comment on the Flaylock (haven't used it in a few builds). It hasn't changed since it got nerfed. The not Logic Bomb! -->We need better comms!<--
jhon hartigan Maphia Clan Corporation 24	Posted - 2014.02.10 19:05:00 - [50] - Quote Scout Registry wrote: Dexter307 wrote: jhon hartigan wrote: NK? Allow sprint and charge You don't want that. Promise. Just nerf backpedal speed. +1 for buffing to SG and Plasma Cannon. Can't comment on the Flaylock (haven't used it in a few builds). Why dont we want that? It d be too OP and it ll be nerfed to the ground? (I mean the NK)

Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 892	Posted - 2014.02.10 19:10:00 - [51] - Quote Marlin Kirby wrote: How much of a radius buff do you have in mind? I need to look at the stats for the flaylock as it exists now again. I was thinking 1.5/1.75/2 for std/adv/proto
Kane Fyea 2609	Posted - 2014.02.10 19:15:00 - [52] - Quote Marlin Kirby wrote: Arx Ardashir wrote: Marlin Kirby wrote: It's impossible to balance the flaylock, KAGE. It should have never of been put in the game. I what I would do is remove the function of the flaylock all together (no longer shoots missiles) and make it more like a conventional pistol. It's a cool looking weapon with a lot of effort put into, so they don't need to delete the model. - Rename weapon (Combat pistol?) - Make it shoot bullets - Keep in game model and reload animation Why is it impossible? Because it has travel time? I don't want another "conventional pistol." - The Scrambler Pistol is already a "conventional pistol" in the way it operates. - The Bolt Pistol will be a machine pistol (has automatic fire, even if it's a rather low RoF) - The Ion Pistol will be a charge pistol So the Flaylock needs to remain a unique. - Maybe a limited tracking function for the projectiles (With Other Parameters Changed for Balance) - Maybe a proximity detonation for the round (WOPCB) - Or it could keep it's current mechanics and just have it's numbers tweaked a bit more. Aye, the ScP can do 435 damage a shot, but that's only if the user is able to land them all on the head, the smallest target. Body shots do only 88 at proto, the Flaylock does twice that at STD level, and also is more forgiving because it has an AoE range (that grows with levels and tiers, starting at 1m at lvl 1 and STD and ending at 1.8 at PRO). I am quite certain that it's direct damage, splash damage (which is 87% of direct, a high percentage) and splash range that will make it comparable. I know another standard pistol sounds kind of boring, but it's a million times easier to balance. Making it track a little or proxy detonate would make it OP or UP because it will be a instant win weapon or an inconvenience for the enemy (sort of like swarm launchers now that I think about it) And what do you know about game balance? Are you a game designer? All you need to do is give it a decent splash (Where it's low skill to hit someone) but have not that great of damage. This makes the gun a low skill low reward weapon that is used to kill damaged enemies. Also please explain why the flaylock cannot be balanced. I've heard people say the HMG, LR, and mass driver couldn't be balanced.
Scout Registry Nos Nothi 1268	Posted - 2014.02.10 19:16:00 - [53] - Quote jhon hartigan wrote: Scout Registry wrote: Dexter307 wrote: jhon hartigan wrote: NK? Allow sprint and charge You don't want that. Promise. Just nerf backpedal speed. +1 for buffing to SG and Plasma Cannon. Can't comment on the Flaylock (haven't used it in a few builds). Why dont we want that? It d be too OP and it ll be nerfed to the ground? (I mean the NK) Yes, I think Nova Knives would be overpowered if sprint-charge were permitted.
jhon hartigan Maphia Clan Corporation 26	Posted - 2014.02.10 19:20:00 - [54] - Quote Thank for your answer. Idk, you may be right, it is only that I hate when I m behind the enemy that is moving and I have to walk behind him with my carghed knives to slowly slowly reach him.
Marlin Kirby KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 346	Posted - 2014.02.10 19:28:00 - [55] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: And what do you know about game balance? Are you a game designer? All you need to do is give it a decent splash (To where its not very hard to hit someone) but have not that great of damage. This makes the gun a low skill low reward weapon that is used to kill damaged enemies. Also please explain why the flaylock cannot be balanced. I've heard people say the HMG, LR, and mass driver couldn't be balanced. I don't need to be a game designer to know about game balance, just experience as online games. And getting the perfect balance between splash and damage is almost inconceivable. I think the HMG is balanced. The LR needs to be treated like a HMG (not the Dust one, mind you) from WWII. A weapon used to repel enemies coming from range. The Chrome LR was almost perfect and I shield tank. I think the MD is more or less balanced now. Dexter307 wrote: Marlin Kirby wrote: How much of a radius buff do you have in mind? I need to look at the stats for the flaylock as it exists now again. I was thinking 1.5/1.75/2 for std/adv/proto Quite the narrow window. It doesn't sound too bad if they don't buff the damage. Found the stats without being in game: Curremt stats http://wiki.dust514.info/index.php?title=Flaylock_Pistol Old stats http://wiki.dust514.info/index.php?title=Flaylock_Pistol&oldid=2913 The not Logic Bomb! -->We need better comms!<--
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 506	Posted - 2014.02.10 19:31:00 - [56] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Dexter307 wrote: The mass driver and laser are getting buffed Now how about buffing the: Shotgun Plasma cannon Flaylock I would love for the PLC to have a DoT effect. Sadly, they can not do this...:( burn baby burn Who wants some?
Buster Friently Rosen Association 1767	Posted - 2014.02.10 19:43:00 - [57] - Quote Marlin Kirby wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Lower DPS with splash=balenced It's UP right now because it has pretty much no splash AOE Increase the radius too much and you get flaylock 514 again. [/quote] The flaylock was never OP to begin with. Much like the original mass driver nerf, CCP over reacted. The flaylock was merely useful, and as such, people started using it. This threatened, to a small degree, the AR hegemony. During this time, AR users still outnumbered all other weapon users combined with the exception of snipers. During your "flaylock 514" time period, Dust was always, as today, actually AR 514. In regular matches, the flaylock wasn't even the most used sidearm. Only in PC was it the most used sidearm, but was still only about the fifth most popular weapon overall. Dust will continue to remain in life support until, CCP figures out that weapon diversity means having no generalist weapons, but having strong niche weapons. It seems we're still far from this, but a buff to the MD and laser title are a good step. CCP should remove the hitscan capability of everything but the fastest projectiles - lasers and rail shots, as a start, and balance by usage numbers because they clearly can't be trusted to know what actually needs balanced.
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 709	Posted - 2014.02.10 19:46:00 - [58] - Quote Make flaylock splash like 1.5/1.75/2.0 Make damage 120/135/150(splash) Make direct 190/200/210 This gun could perform the low risk low reward and high risk high reward all in one gun, for example an assault bariant with 4 shot clip, 180 direct at proto, 3m splash, and 78 splash damage. This means the entire clip does 720 direct, but then does 320 splash. The breach variant would have 1.0 m splash at proto, with 250 direct, 90 splash. Under 28db Officially nerfproof (predicting CR nerf February '14) Selling SP: 10k SP per 100k ISK.
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 2863	Posted - 2014.02.10 21:13:00 - [59] - Quote Marlin Kirby wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: As someone who wants the MDs buff, the flaylock isn't bad where it's at. Low fitting cost, practically no CPU and I think no PG. It's good for getting AoE hits and if your target gets contact with the projectile it's good damage. I can agree with this. It needs more direct damage though. Bring Direct Damage back up to pre-nerf 190, 200, 230 (I THINK) This means with full Proficiency, you can land a single shot to the chest and deal 330 armor damage a shot. Since direct damage ignores splash resistance, you can use the flaylock as a heavy buster. That's pretty OP. No one likes getting one shot in games. What armor tank runs less than 330 armor? They do crap to shields anyways. AND HAVE YOU EVEN TRIED DIRECT SHOTTING PEOPLE WITH FLAYLOCKS?!?! Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
OZAROW 0uter.Heaven 1379	Posted - 2014.02.10 23:54:00 - [60] - Quote jhon hartigan wrote: NK? Yup I'd say.... Basic 150 Adv 200 Pro 250 I smacked a militia heavy with proto blades proficiency 5 and 25% from my suit yesterday, the bonehead had me dead in one RR burst, and the dude had 13 bloody armor left , WTF RIGHT! SUPER NOVA KNIFE SAIYAN 4

Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 504	Posted - 2014.02.11 00:19:00 - [61] - Quote for nova knives- either allow sprinting function for up to 2 seconds and remove slashing delay, or give them a ballistic function Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2043	Posted - 2014.02.11 01:00:00 - [62] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: As someone who wants the MDs buff, the flaylock isn't bad where it's at. Low fitting cost, practically no CPU and I think no PG. It's good for getting AoE hits and if your target gets contact with the projectile it's good damage. Roy Ventus, you just solved my fitting problem! I have Engineering to 5, but on my Advanced Sentinel with two Compex Kinetic Catalysers I had to skill HMG Fitting Optimization to 3 just to be able to fit a Locus Grenade. With no sidearm I do not have a single point of Power Grid left. If the Flaylock has no PG requirement I may actually be able to fit a sidearm after all! It may not be an SMG, but when my HMG runs dry the Flaylock will certainly be better than trying to survive the HMG's 6 second reload cycle! advanced flaylock uses no PG No idea on my guns right now. Getting majority to level 3 at least, then deciding. Proud member of RND
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 896	Posted - 2014.02.11 01:39:00 - [63] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: As someone who wants the MDs buff, the flaylock isn't bad where it's at. Low fitting cost, practically no CPU and I think no PG. It's good for getting AoE hits and if your target gets contact with the projectile it's good damage. Roy Ventus, you just solved my fitting problem! I have Engineering to 5, but on my Advanced Sentinel with two Compex Kinetic Catalysers I had to skill HMG Fitting Optimization to 3 just to be able to fit a Locus Grenade. With no sidearm I do not have a single point of Power Grid left. If the Flaylock has no PG requirement I may actually be able to fit a sidearm after all! It may not be an SMG, but when my HMG runs dry the Flaylock will certainly be better than trying to survive the HMG's 6 second reload cycle! advanced flaylock uses no PG It uses 1 pg
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 2867	Posted - 2014.02.11 01:55:00 - [64] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: As someone who wants the MDs buff, the flaylock isn't bad where it's at. Low fitting cost, practically no CPU and I think no PG. It's good for getting AoE hits and if your target gets contact with the projectile it's good damage. Roy Ventus, you just solved my fitting problem! I have Engineering to 5, but on my Advanced Sentinel with two Compex Kinetic Catalysers I had to skill HMG Fitting Optimization to 3 just to be able to fit a Locus Grenade. With no sidearm I do not have a single point of Power Grid left. If the Flaylock has no PG requirement I may actually be able to fit a sidearm after all! It may not be an SMG, but when my HMG runs dry the Flaylock will certainly be better than trying to survive the HMG's 6 second reload cycle! advanced flaylock uses no PG It uses 1 pg The Specialist uses 0. Core uses 2. With enough Optimization skills, you can fit a Proto Flaylock for around 17 CPU and 2 PG. Great deal if you can use them right. Combine with 1.8 assault bonus (8 round flaylock), and I am really being tempted to skill into Proto Assault before Proto Scout Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
Ripcord19981 Knightz of the Round Legacy Rising 426	Posted - 2014.02.11 02:02:00 - [65] - Quote Marlin Kirby wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: We've already seen flaylock 514, don't buff it unless you want to go through that fiasco again, its bad enough everyones gonna be calling dropships to get up on roofs to spam mass drivers next build. There exist a place between uselessness, and overpowered. I don't want any useless weapons in Dust. It's impossible to balance the flaylock, KAGE. It should have never of been put in the game. I what I would do is remove the function of the flaylock all together (no longer shoots missiles) and make it more like a conventional pistol. It's a cool looking weapon with a lot of effort put into, so they don't need to delete the model. - Rename weapon (Combat pistol?) - Make it shoot bullets - Keep in game model and reload animation if they do, do that, it would be cool to make a 3 round burst like the CR. Like the 93r pistol? I can only please one person per day. Today is not ur day, tomorrow doesn't look too bright either. Turkey sammich>taco
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 896	Posted - 2014.02.11 02:06:00 - [66] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Dexter307 wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: As someone who wants the MDs buff, the flaylock isn't bad where it's at. Low fitting cost, practically no CPU and I think no PG. It's good for getting AoE hits and if your target gets contact with the projectile it's good damage. Roy Ventus, you just solved my fitting problem! I have Engineering to 5, but on my Advanced Sentinel with two Compex Kinetic Catalysers I had to skill HMG Fitting Optimization to 3 just to be able to fit a Locus Grenade. With no sidearm I do not have a single point of Power Grid left. If the Flaylock has no PG requirement I may actually be able to fit a sidearm after all! It may not be an SMG, but when my HMG runs dry the Flaylock will certainly be better than trying to survive the HMG's 6 second reload cycle! advanced flaylock uses no PG It uses 1 pg The Specialist uses 0. Core uses 2. With enough Optimization skills, you can fit a Proto Flaylock for around 17 CPU and 2 PG. Great deal if you can use them right. Combine with 1.8 assault bonus (8 round flaylock), and I am really being tempted to skill into Proto Assault before Proto Scout 8 round mag wont help if the flaylock is high skill low reward like it is now
Scout Registry Nos Nothi 1268	Posted - 2014.02.11 04:12:00 - [67] - Quote jhon hartigan wrote: Thank for your answer. Idk, you may be right, it is only that I hate when I m behind the enemy that is moving and I have to walk behind him with my carghed knives to slowly slowly reach him. I know exactly what you mean. If backpedal speed were reduced, NKs would be far less frustrating.
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1552	Posted - 2014.02.11 04:26:00 - [68] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: The mass driver and laser are getting buffed Now how about buffing the: Shotgun Plasma cannon Flaylock shotgun is already buffed and is good. plasma cannon and flaylock desparately need it. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 903	Posted - 2014.02.11 04:49:00 - [69] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: Dexter307 wrote: The mass driver and laser are getting buffed Now how about buffing the: Shotgun Plasma cannon Flaylock shotgun is already buffed and is good. plasma cannon and flaylock desparately need it. Shotgun is only good against militia and standard suits. Also its never been buffed
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core 494	Posted - 2014.02.11 05:16:00 - [70] - Quote if you really wanted to fix the Flaylock just increase the missile's velocity as it leaves the barrel(you see how slow that missle is?),as for anyone saying it needs more AOE...it's a freaking missile shooter not a mini grenade gun. A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.

Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 904	Posted - 2014.02.11 05:20:00 - [71] - Quote Johnny Guilt wrote: if you really wanted to fix the Flaylock just increase the missile's velocity as it leaves the barrel(you see how slow that missle is?),as for anyone saying it needs more AOE...it's a freaking missile shooter not a mini grenade gun. Velocity increase isnt going to help the flaylock
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2356	Posted - 2014.02.11 05:38:00 - [72] - Quote They really should buff Scrambler Pistol headshot bonus. 450% is weaksauce. Dust514 has a place in this world - buried next to 23,000 copies of E.T. in some remote desert location.
VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS 57	Posted - 2014.02.11 06:07:00 - [73] - Quote shot gun is fine . what you want to one shot 1200 life ? with speed tanked suit lol
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 886	Posted - 2014.02.11 07:22:00 - [74] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: jhon hartigan wrote: NK? Allow sprint and charge stfu, NK is a perfectly usable side arm. As a matter of fact in the right hands it's better than even SMG. If you make it sprint and charge you ll end up with the 'new melee glitch'. I hope CCP has the foresight not to touch NK. Imo improved scout passive scan range has fixed NK perfectly fine. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 886	Posted - 2014.02.11 07:26:00 - [75] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: for nova knives- either allow sprinting function for up to 2 seconds and remove slashing delay, or give them a ballistic function Why is that? So that every skilless noob starts running with them COD style? If you are serious about NK you gotta use them as they are now long enough to have an opinion that's worthwhile posting. If you have spent time with NK and have SP in them I just don't see why you would want to buff them any further. Good NK scouts can use NK really well now - and this is where it belongs in the skill domain, not in the noob crutch domain like tanks, SR and RR. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 886	Posted - 2014.02.11 07:30:00 - [76] - Quote jhon hartigan wrote: Scout Registry wrote: Dexter307 wrote: jhon hartigan wrote: NK? Allow sprint and charge You don't want that. Promise. Just nerf backpedal speed. +1 for buffing to SG and Plasma Cannon. Can't comment on the Flaylock (haven't used it in a few builds). Why dont we want that? It d be too OP and it ll be nerfed to the ground? (I mean the NK) Correct. Either that or too many wannabes will be running around with NK pretending to be ruthless shinobi assassins or w/e other garbage lives in ppl's heads that they feel the need to share with the world. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 886	Posted - 2014.02.11 07:37:00 - [77] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: jhon hartigan wrote: Dexter307 wrote: jhon hartigan wrote: NK? Allow sprint and charge Yes that d be great! And maybe a bit more range, not a lot, just a bit I think the range is fine since it's a melee weapon, it's problem is it's to easy to backpedal from just like shotguns I now think that back pedaling is actually fine. I hate real life comparisons in general but even with those it makes sense - if someone is rushing at you with a knife, slashing with it and you are backing away with an automatic weapon - guess who will win? I think NK is all about sneaking up on ppl from behind. If you fail at that you better run and hide, not keep charging and swinging. And this actually works remarkably well in the present build. It's excellent for setting a skill bench mark. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 907	Posted - 2014.02.11 13:13:00 - [78] - Quote VALCORE72 wrote: shot gun is fine . what you want to one shot 1200 life ? with speed tanked suit lol I want to be effective against adv and proto suits This post almost sounds like QQ for some reason lol


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