There exist a place between uselessness, and overpowered. I don't want any useless weapons in Dust.

Shotguns only buff required is a hit detection fix...

It's impossible to balance the flaylock, KAGE. It should have never of been put in the game.

I what I would do is remove the function of the flaylock all together (no longer shoots missiles) and make it more like a conventional pistol.

It's a cool looking weapon with a lot of effort put into, so they don't need to delete the model.
- Rename weapon (Combat pistol?)
- Make it shoot bullets
- Keep in game model and reload animation

Yes that d be great! And maybe a bit more range, not a lot, just a bit

We've already seen flaylock 514, don't buff it unless you want to go through that fiasco again, its bad enough everyones gonna be calling dropships to get up on roofs to spam mass drivers next build.

I disagree. There is a way the current design can exist without making it OP or UP. They lock's advantage is splash, which is guaranteed damage, but for the guaranteed damage it sacrifices DPS; finding the right balance between the guaranteed damage and DPS is the key.

Then you're trying to balance a weapons DPS that has a visible travel, with no real arc, and splash damage with a weapons that need a direct hit to work.

If you match the DPS with ScP (for example) then people will choose the flaylock over it every time, but if the DPS for ScP is higher then everyone will choose the ScP because people will chose the doom laser oppose to the potato cannon. It requires way too much experimenting.

It's impossible to balance the flaylock, KAGE. It should have never of been put in the game.

I what I would do is remove the function of the flaylock all together (no longer shoots missiles) and make it more like a conventional pistol.

It's a cool looking weapon with a lot of effort put into, so they don't need to delete the model.
- Rename weapon (Combat pistol?)
- Make it shoot bullets
- Keep in game model and reload animation

Why is it impossible? Because it has travel time?

I don't want another "conventional pistol."
- The Scrambler Pistol is already a "conventional pistol" in the way it operates.
- The Bolt Pistol will be a machine pistol (has automatic fire, even if it's a rather low RoF)
- The Ion Pistol will be a charge pistol

So the Flaylock needs to remain a unique.
- Maybe a limited tracking function for the projectiles (With Other Parameters Changed for Balance)
- Maybe a proximity detonation for the round (WOPCB)
- Or it could keep it's current mechanics and just have it's numbers tweaked a bit more.

Aye, the ScP can do 435 damage a shot, but that's only if the user is able to land them all on the head, the smallest target. Body shots do only 88 at proto, the Flaylock does twice that at STD level, and also is more forgiving because it has an AoE range (that grows with levels and tiers, starting at 1m at lvl 1 and STD and ending at 1.8 at PRO). I am quite certain that it's direct damage, splash damage (which is 87% of direct, a high percentage) and splash range that will make it comparable.

When speaking about sidearms everyone become a superhero of aim and can Land every single shot of his scp on the Head of the opponent. Wow... Maybe I m the only one that sometime miss a shot.

Why is it impossible? Because it has travel time?

I don't want another "conventional pistol."
- The Scrambler Pistol is already a "conventional pistol" in the way it operates.
- The Bolt Pistol will be a machine pistol (has automatic fire, even if it's a rather low RoF)
- The Ion Pistol will be a charge pistol

So the Flaylock needs to remain a unique.
- Maybe a limited tracking function for the projectiles (With Other Parameters Changed for Balance)
- Maybe a proximity detonation for the round (WOPCB)
- Or it could keep it's current mechanics and just have it's numbers tweaked a bit more.

Aye, the ScP can do 435 damage a shot, but that's only if the user is able to land them all on the head, the smallest target. Body shots do only 88 at proto, the Flaylock does twice that at STD level, and also is more forgiving because it has an AoE range (that grows with levels and tiers, starting at 1m at lvl 1 and STD and ending at 1.8 at PRO). I am quite certain that it's direct damage, splash damage (which is 87% of direct, a high percentage) and splash range that will make it comparable.

Lower DPS with splash=balenced
It's UP right now because it has pretty much no splash AOE

When speaking about sidearms everyone become a superhero of aim and can Land every single shot of his scp on the Head of the opponent. Wow... Maybe I m the only one that sometime miss a shot.

Increase the radius too much and you get flaylock 514 again. The weapon was designed to be a panic weapon not a suppression weapon like the MD. The problem is that CCP did too good of a job so people started running around with dual flaylocks with damage mods.

Camera shake from explosions makes this worse because it's more difficult to aim. I even made a thread on removing or reducing camera shake a few months ago. I don't believe in it anymore because the damn aim-assist made it less relevant, but it's still a problem sometimes.



Most enemies are the same height, it's not hard if your weapon is pinpoint accurate.

As someone who wants the MDs buff, the flaylock isn't bad where it's at.

Low fitting cost, practically no CPU and I think no PG. It's good for getting AoE hits and if your target gets contact with the projectile it's good damage.

I can agree with this.

It needs more direct damage though. Bring Direct Damage back up to pre-nerf

190, 200, 230 (I THINK)

This means with full Proficiency, you can land a single shot to the chest and deal 330 armor damage a shot.

Since direct damage ignores splash resistance, you can use the flaylock as a heavy buster.

Allow sprint and charge

You don't want that. Promise. Just nerf backpedal speed.

+1 for buffing to SG and Plasma Cannon.
Can't comment on the Flaylock (haven't used it in a few builds).

You don't want that. Promise. Just nerf backpedal speed.

+1 for buffing to SG and Plasma Cannon.
Can't comment on the Flaylock (haven't used it in a few builds).

How much of a radius buff do you have in mind? I need to look at the stats for the flaylock as it exists now again.

I know another standard pistol sounds kind of boring, but it's a million times easier to balance.

Making it track a little or proxy detonate would make it OP or UP because it will be a instant win weapon or an inconvenience for the enemy (sort of like swarm launchers now that I think about it)

Why dont we want that? It d be too OP and it ll be nerfed to the ground? (I mean the NK)

And what do you know about game balance? Are you a game designer? All you need to do is give it a decent splash (To where its not very hard to hit someone) but have not that great of damage. This makes the gun a low skill low reward weapon that is used to kill damaged enemies.

Also please explain why the flaylock cannot be balanced. I've heard people say the HMG, LR, and mass driver couldn't be balanced.

I was thinking 1.5/1.75/2 for std/adv/proto

I would love for the PLC to have a DoT effect.

Sadly, they can not do this...:(

Increase the radius too much and you get flaylock 514 again.

That's pretty OP. No one likes getting one shot in games.

NK?