What's wrong with it?

it was underwhelming the first time we had this bonus and now it seems even more restrictive. I don't know, maybe coupled with the increased ROF bonus it will be something more substantial; or, is the ROF bonus out the window, also?


(-Caldari did have this once before, no? -and wasn't it for all light weapons?)

Valid point with the HMG

But I still think less dispersion means more shots on the target and less kick means you can land more shots from a distance but I'm not a AR user so my opinion on this matter is shabby at best.

Useless for anyone who can shoot straight.

RoF bonus got changed to a fitting bonus. Assaults can fit light weapons and sidearms better.
The old Calass bonus was +2% reload speed for hybrid weapons per level. Back then this included ARs, Sniper Rifles, and Plasma Cannons.
The new Class bonus is +5% reload speed for hybrid rail weapons. These include Rail Rifles, Sniper Rifles, and Bolt Pistols.

This is actually REALLY GOOD. It will make the any weapon the Gallante have, the best CQC weapon. The Hipfire will be very tight on weapons like the AR, SMG, RR and Shotgun.

No this is an amazing bonus. Don't touch it or mess with it.

No no that Caldari one is pretty bad

Gallente come out ok, more accuracy on the AR will obviously improve it
Caldari are getting a hard time though

Amarr and Matari are ridiculously OP .... worst decision so far from CCP

someone told me last week the ScR bonus was being removed...
I jumped for joy as the ScR is way too good.... today that joy has died

I dont understand why the bonus' arenot damage based... Assault are supposedto be the frontline fighters. Damage is the one thing that should make an assault suit a better choice over a logistics suit.
Logi - Equipment + great defense
Assault - damage + defense
Sentinel - High Defense - Situational DPS
Commando - Damage + mobility(over other heavies)
Scout - Speed+Stealth
Pilot - Module bonus vehicles

Right now its
Sentinel or Logi for Assault, High defense, great attack.
Scout: High close range attack,speed and stealth negated by the aboves weapon range and AA.
Assault for the self loathing and suicidal
Commandofor the lolz

Don't forget the Caldari are trading there little bit of HP from it's already gimped shields for a reload bonus to a weapon they are giving a massive decrease to..

What the hell crap are they smoking bring back the ROF!

I dont understand why the bonus' arenot damage based... Assault are supposedto be the frontline fighters. Damage is the one thing that should make an assault suit a better choice over a logistics suit.
Logi - Equipment + great defense
Assault - damage + defense
Sentinel - High Defense - Situational DPS
Commando - Damage + mobility(over other heavies)
Scout - Speed+Stealth
Pilot - Module bonus vehicles

Right now its
Sentinel or Logi for Assault, High defense, great attack.
Scout: High close range attack,speed and stealth negated by the aboves weapon range and AA.
Assault for the self loathing and suicidal
Commandofor the lolz

RoF bonus on a RR would make it hella OP.

Just to point out what others have mentioned in other threads:

The Gal bonus is incredibly exclusive for Gal weapons. What dispersion does the Plasma Cannon have? Why would a shotgunner want *less* spread?

And Caldari Assaults should get a reduction to spool up time, while all caldari weapons get a higher base spool up time. The laser rifle and scrambler rifle are balanced around heat damage and heat build up. So their bonus (while I think it should be toned down just a tad) makes them able to use weapons designed by their (false) god better. Similarly, Caldari weapons are balanced around spool up time, so the Caldari should get a bonus to that in order for them to maximize their weapons.


Gal assaults could get an (very slight) increased dispersion and (moderate) ROF bonus - that way in CQC they will spit out more bullets in a wider area, giving them a small "cone" of DPS, like an HMG

Also, an interesting idea to play with:

If the Galente got an increase to dispersion and ROF, then skilling into Gal Assaults would *actually* define your playstyle more. You wouldn't be able to hit anything accurately out of mid-range. The more you specced into that role, the more niche you would become. Kick would obviously needed to be increased on all rifles, however (and that change is long overdue)

I think that in order to move towards teircide, each suit should come with a buff and a nerf to a particular specialty. One could imagine that a GK.1 suit would be built around people who wanted more accuracy in a Gal Assault. That suit would get reduced dispersion and kick (less than Cal weapons obviously) at the cost of ROF. If the current CK.0 had a buff to spool-up time and increased scope fidelity while ADS, they could get a nerf to hipfire accuracy , thus further defining roles.

Again, just a thought

Tell that to a balac on a gal suit.

Don't forget the Caldari are trading there little bit of HP from it's already gimped shields for a reload bonus to a weapon they are giving a massive decrease to..

What the hell crap are they smoking bring back the ROF!

I saw that CCP Logibro hinted at Rail Rifles being nerfed a bit in 1.8 - this is true :) I've mentioned a few times that there will be TTK adjustments in 1.8 and we are looking at improving this overall by reducing the base damage and damage mods on some of the Rifles / SMGs. The difference isn't huge(!!!) - but it's there.

Personally, I like the PG/CPU bonuses for fitting weapons across the assault suits better than the RoF bonus. It helps for all weapons, means that assaults can squeeze a little better tank on their suits if desired as well. Combined with level 5 in light and side arm weapons and the ridiculously expensive fitting optimization skill and assault are going to have the cost of weapon PG/CPU at 60% that frees up quite a bit of CPU/PG for better modules, grenades, etc..

The racial bonuses (IMO) are worse than what was posted on singularity for caldari and gallente, and much better for amarr and minmatar. Keep these current bonuses and I'll be looking forward to sticking with my minmatar assault

Ridiculous.
2 years into this and they're still just as lost as ever.
Some of the **** they've been putting out lately really shows just how much they refuse to listen to anyone that makes any ******* sense.
Why ******* bother anymore?
You can't fix stupid.

Someone should tell them to play their own game... And by that i mean regularly, hitting that SP cap. So they would know what needs to be done and not beat around the bush. (not just talking about this cal assault ugly bonus)