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Rowdy Railgunner Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 346	Posted - 2014.02.05 22:53:00 - [31] - Quote 50LD13R wrote: I can make about 1 mil in an hour of ambushes if I run a Frontline with a militia rep tool, and I'm not a high SP player...but I also don't care about my KDR. I did it Monday night! 1 mil an hour in a BPO suit? What do you do, take 30 minute breaks between matches?
Teilka Darkmist 211	Posted - 2014.02.05 23:01:00 - [32] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Teilka Darkmist wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Galvan Nized wrote: Teilka Darkmist wrote: I don't think the isk is what's going to kill the game. It's the matchmaking that puts multiple squads from corps against a team of all randoms. There are ways around running out of isk, but when they're not having fun actually playing the game, that's what gets people to leave. Agreed, new players aren't going to quit because they run out of Isk, they wont be here near that long. They're going to die 500 times and see that there is no hope because CCP has given up and just quit. New players are going to die 500 times no matter what game they play, i dont see your point. Most casual gamers will go there first 50 matches in CoD in negative KDR does not mean they will quit. For casual gamers the amount of times you die wont matter, they play to have fun. The difference is in Dust, most of the time they're not even getting to 500 times as they're not having fun playing the game. Well if they are not having fun they can go play a different game, that's what i would do. The problem comes when there's not enough players left having fun to keep the game going. That said I've found going back to starter fits brings the fun back. Might not work for new players but it seems to be working for me. Now maybe I'll see about dropping some BPO's in there as well. When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1840	Posted - 2014.02.05 23:06:00 - [33] - Quote The only reason the ISK factor is a "factor" at the moment is the lack of income you get as merc. As a lone merc you currently only really have 1 option, Public Matches. You can make your money stretch further with factional warfare but you need the money to stretch first. Over in the EvE side of things New Eden is veritable smorgasbord of Income methods. You can mine PvE style, get some resources sell them on the Market You can run Escort for Miners You can go PvE against the Jovians for Blueprint Schematics and the like. You can buy Blueprint and Materials and manufacture goods for sale on the open market. You can complete missions for Concord You can claim bounties You can tax Planetary Miners You can be a Mercanry for Hire In EvE, if you can do it, it will probably make you money. That's the point. DUST needs more ways of getting income, from Player Markets, NPC Contracts, Merc Contracts, Bounties, everything. Until then the best way to make money is to get the cheapest suit you can. I have a frontline fit that costs 10,000 ISK per 100 suits. Every pub matche pays enough for me to field 2000 of these suits. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Sir Petersen D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 514	Posted - 2014.02.05 23:11:00 - [34] - Quote Where are they gonna go? Back to COD?? My Channel : Valhalla South
Teilka Darkmist 213	Posted - 2014.02.05 23:54:00 - [35] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: Where are they gonna go? Back to COD?? Does it matter where they go? They're not going to be here boosting the numbers in Dust and convincing CCP that it's worth their time to improve things. When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
demonkiller 12 G.L.O.R.Y 384	Posted - 2014.02.06 00:43:00 - [36] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: I think the isk factor in dust 514 is going to kill the game in the long run Ive been playing since the beginning and have ran out of isk many times, but i would go buy a playstation card and buy 20 dollars worth of Aurum and save up on isk or play free suits.but now free or cheap suits suck most of the time people those who say other wise haven't used them lately or are just lying.and ive spent $140 on merc packs to save up on isk i love dust 514 but in the long run i have a feeling its going to fail.I talk to alot of players who feel the same way. running free suits is the easiest way and you can make 60+mil a week you can also play eve and trade between the two
SPACE SYPHILIS Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2014.02.06 00:50:00 - [37] - Quote How is it I have been here since close Beta and I have over 200 Million ISK and still making ISK. I believe it is part poor isk payout and part player. Isk payout needs to be raised by at least 50% IMO. Players need to be able to play, have fun, and still make ISK.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4410	Posted - 2014.02.06 00:59:00 - [38] - Quote I mostly run free and/or cheap fittings, and I do well for myself with them, so I'm pretty sure they don't suck all that much. If you're willing to put some thought into how you manage your money, it's easy to make a profit.
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Public Disorder. 4745	Posted - 2014.02.06 01:04:00 - [39] - Quote The ISK factor in Dust will kill it? Have you even played Eve?! > GÇ£I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.GÇ¥ -Oscar Wilde
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 860	Posted - 2014.02.06 01:06:00 - [40] - Quote You must equip a lot of proto things and lose them lol But um, you can always run BPOs, Starter, and militia/standard gear to make isk. I have a suit that costs 6k and ALWAYS makes a profit. Even if I lose 13 suits.

Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1531	Posted - 2014.02.06 01:19:00 - [41] - Quote OP you need to adjust your fittings to your earnings. I have 75,000,000 ISK and proto everything but i run ADV/STD because that's the only way i can make money. On average, with STD i make money, with ADV i break even. I support SP rollover.
Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 878	Posted - 2014.02.06 01:34:00 - [42] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: If I can make +110m flying ADSs, no one has any one to blame but themselves and their budgeting skills. Your corporation holds how many Districts? Of which I see no ISK from apart from what I make in PC fights (which I only recently have been part of). I've earned most of my money in pubs, only >10m is from PC. Dropship Specialist Kills- Incubus: 4; Pythons: 3 Gêå1; Other DS: 31 Gêå2; Tanks: 33 Gêå2 2/2
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 247	Posted - 2014.02.06 01:37:00 - [43] - Quote It's literally impossible to run out of ISK in this game, to the point where it could keep you from playing the game. Stop bitching and don't run what you can't afford to lose. If you've gone ahead and done that anyway, the consequence is that you get to run starter/MLT/STD fits for like a week. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Necandi Brasil DUST BRASIL S.A Covert Intervention 720	Posted - 2014.02.06 01:39:00 - [44] - Quote Can we have P2P market already? Tanks 514! Cheap, fast, Indestructible and you see tankers telling it's balanced... Just makes you want to quit this BS
Bayeth Mal OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 32	Posted - 2014.02.06 02:12:00 - [45] - Quote Hmm, this running out if ISK thing is a little strange... 20% tax rate is insane though, fundraising for PC should be maybe 10%, anything more and you're likely getting scammed, as that's coming from your before expenses income, so it's likely halving your profit margin. Note: if your corp isn't taxing to fund PC (either current or upcoming) the ISK is going nowhere and you should be asking serious questions. Just my 2 ISK but concentrate in your core skills first. Shields and armour first, PG/CPU second, try and get a militia Uplink on a starter fit (You'll need that extra PG/CPU for that), I use a BPO standard weapon but if you don't have one it's up to you if you want to stay with the milita or add your weapon of choice, your priority should be well placed uplinks, and hacking anything you can, less on killing. Well placed uplinks and getting out to those un-guarded outside objectives can place you highly on the leaderboard for a suit that costs only 370 ISK. "The right man in the wrong place can make all of the difference..." - The Gman If you're rolling with a good squad going on scanner duty can be a role in an of itself (as the cheap scanner wears off quickly) and can net a fair amount of WP. Also ran with a guy using a BPO Assault fit with Adv rep tool who locked himself to our heavies ass. He placed higher on the leader-board than the Heavy because for every 50wp kill the heavy got he was averaging about 90 (guardian points, triage points, defend order). I have suits and builds entirely based around WP just to get myself as high on the leaderboard as I can without spending a lot of ISK (I don't use ****** exploits, I just pre-emptively put nanos in high combat areas that I know sooner or later people will need, scan everything, SL so I can put the defend order on the Logi repping the heavy, place uplinks where I know blues will instinctively go for etc). Hmm... never mind... don't do what I said... I dont want to place 2nd bacuse you started doing this too.
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 175	Posted - 2014.02.06 02:19:00 - [46] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: I think the isk factor in dust 514 is going to kill the game in the long run Ive been playing since the beginning and have ran out of isk many times, but i would go buy a playstation card and buy 20 dollars worth of Aurum and save up on isk or play free suits.but now free or cheap suits suck most of the time people those who say other wise haven't used them lately or are just lying.and ive spent $140 on merc packs to save up on isk i love dust 514 but in the long run i have a feeling its going to fail.I talk to alot of players who feel the same way. I love the ISK factor, it is a big part of what keeps me in the game. You have to budget your resources and that makes it fun, just like not having unlimited magazine sizes make the game better.
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2026	Posted - 2014.02.06 02:35:00 - [47] - Quote Building a suit to match your exact needs is one of the reasons I'm still playing this game. Fitting out a suit that's economically viable is really important, and there are a few tricks that will help you build the suit that's right for you. First thing to do is keep tabs on your average ISK income per battle, and then divide that by your average number of deaths per battle. The number you get is what your suits should cost if you're looking to at least break even. If you can get lower than that you'll make more money, though. You can cut suit costs drastically by using militia mods. I cant think of a mod that's actually worse than std aside from higher fitting costs so if you can fit militia gear use it. Militia weapons are worse than STD weapons, but generally a cheap suit won't lean on the side arm that much so its an easy way to trim some fat without really hurting overall efficacy all that much. Try to kill it all you want CCP, I still <3 my laser.
Shiruba Ryou 202	Posted - 2014.02.06 02:44:00 - [48] - Quote Mercs... running out of money? If mercs can't sustain themselves in this game with the economy of a mom and pop general store I'd hate to see how you handle your finances in real life. I give ISK away very rarely unless I either know the person or I'm getting something out of it either directly, or indirectly without the receiver's knowledge. Running into non-useful poor mercenaries is one of the many scenarios that turn me away from squading with many new people. Though I've been getting better recently and loosening up. ... My squading practices not my ISK. Back savages +_+ Now.... I ain't saying I'm an ISK horder. But I ain't f*ckin' with no broke soldier. "Not to worry. The cards say you loved it." `- Ryoutoshi`
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1529	Posted - 2014.02.06 03:04:00 - [49] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: If I can make +110m flying ADSs, no one has any one to blame but themselves and their budgeting skills. Your corporation holds how many Districts? Of which I see no ISK from apart from what I make in PC fights (which I only recently have been part of). I've earned most of my money in pubs, only >10m is from PC. Only more than 10m of it is from PC? Poor little rich kid. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 288	Posted - 2014.02.06 03:25:00 - [50] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: I think the isk factor in dust 514 is going to kill the game in the long run Ive been playing since the beginning and have ran out of isk many times, but i would go buy a playstation card and buy 20 dollars worth of Aurum and save up on isk or play free suits.but now free or cheap suits suck most of the time people those who say other wise haven't used them lately or are just lying.and ive spent $140 on merc packs to save up on isk i love dust 514 but in the long run i have a feeling its going to fail.I talk to alot of players who feel the same way. Sounds like you don't know how to handle money in game, I haven't spent any real money on this game and I have plenty of isk PLENTY!! The starter fits are there for a reason, It's not really that hard for people to save up isk. You don't have to use expensive stuff all the time in pub battles. Don't make it easy for them, take a few down with you.

LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 179	Posted - 2014.02.06 03:37:00 - [51] - Quote To me it almost seems as if Isk payouts for pubs have been nerfed again. I usually do fairly decent in matches. I always get somewhere around 1000 or higher war points when running with a decent squad and I get a fair amount of kills with not too many deaths. However, I can remember a few months ago, getting like 1200 war points and getting way over 200k Isk and sometimes over 300k. Starting three weeks ago, I began to notice that I could get around the same WP I usually do, but the Isk payouts were vastly less (usually by around 50k+). Going to follow the advice in here and stop running full load out logi suits constantly. Terribly expensive. Going to revert to majority basic and sometimes advanced suits for awhile until the Isk builds way back up again. It's a trap! In this patch we can't repel firepower of that magnitude! - Admiral Ackbar would say in ambush w Nyain San
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 18	Posted - 2014.02.06 14:00:00 - [52] - Quote da GAND wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: I think the isk factor in dust 514 is going to kill the game in the long run Ive been playing since the beginning and have ran out of isk many times, but i would go buy a playstation card and buy 20 dollars worth of Aurum and save up on isk or play free suits.but now free or cheap suits suck most of the time people those who say other wise haven't used them lately or are just lying.and ive spent $140 on merc packs to save up on isk i love dust 514 but in the long run i have a feeling its going to fail.I talk to alot of players who feel the same way. Sounds like you don't know how to handle money in game, I haven't spent any real money on this game and I have plenty of isk PLENTY!! The starter fits are there for a reason, It's not really that hard for people to save up isk. You don't have to use expensive stuff all the time in pub battles. That has been over the last two years
Infine Sentinel Better Hide R Die 648	Posted - 2014.02.06 14:03:00 - [53] - Quote Militia suit Militia AR One complex damage mod Fitting costs around 5k to 6k and its almost as good as a Pro AR Pie. Forum warrior level 231423423
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1780	Posted - 2014.02.06 14:21:00 - [54] - Quote how do you run out of isk? I mean sometimes you need to swallow your pride hop in a standard suit and go 20/9 against proto stompers instead of 20/1 let kdr go people. if you run proto till you are broke you shouldn't be running it.
Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 882	Posted - 2014.02.06 14:25:00 - [55] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: If I can make +110m flying ADSs, no one has any one to blame but themselves and their budgeting skills. Your corporation holds how many Districts? Of which I see no ISK from apart from what I make in PC fights (which I only recently have been part of). I've earned most of my money in pubs, only <10m is from PC. Only more than 10m of it is from PC? Poor little rich kid. <10m. Pardon my math grammar. Also, would you like some toast with that "You Jelly?" Dropship Specialist Kills- Incubus: 4; Pythons: 3 Gêå1; Other DS: 31 Gêå2; Tanks: 33 Gêå2 2/2
ReGnYuM Escrow Removal and Acquisition 2053	Posted - 2014.02.06 14:46:00 - [56] - Quote Maybe OP should join a PC corp and receive a salary based their on contbrituation to the PC battles. [ERA] Pays a salary of 30 million ISK a week + whatever they make from outside contracts to its PC mercenaries. Official Imperfect Title: Supreme Leader of the Endless Sunset I Slay, for thy Empress Do you even PC... Brah
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1533	Posted - 2014.02.06 14:47:00 - [57] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: <10m. Pardon my math grammar. Also, would you like some toast with that "You Jelly?" Awwww, how cute, he thinks I'm jealous. It isn't about jealousy, it is about the free ride the PC corporations have been getting. It is un-New Eden and totally risk free. The only people who don't see this are the ones farming it. Please, by all means, continue clearly illustrate the disconnect between the farmers and the rest of us. ******* tools. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1479	Posted - 2014.02.06 14:50:00 - [58] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: If I can make +110m flying ADSs, no one has any one to blame but themselves and their budgeting skills. I was about to agree with you... then I saw your corp and aliance. I mean really bro, in your corp with all your disctricts you can afford to go negative everyday of the week and still have 150 million isk left over for yourself.... not including other higher ups in your corp. gtfo Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 612	Posted - 2014.02.06 14:54:00 - [59] - Quote I find this a bit surprising.... I've been playing for a long time too... I have maybe 270 million isk in the bank and ALWAYS run advanced suits... Unless you're playing too many isk sinks like FW or PC then you shouldn't have any issues - just review your fits... you don't need to run proto suits in public games - they just aren't profitable... just make a calculation on how much your fits cost to play, how much you earn on average in a game and then try and not die beyond that threshold... for ex these are my numbers: - Advanced fit - 35K Average payout per match 250-350K ISK That means if I die over ten times I'm not making money that match... usually I don't so I make money.. try and find a suit that's cheaper or change your playstyle...
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1479	Posted - 2014.02.06 14:58:00 - [60] - Quote the OP is talking about new players and players in lower teir corps. If you are: Sever true blood team players ahrende mercenaries burgerrz nyain sain.... etc or anyother big corp with aliances in PC, shut the **** up. Each of your members get millions upon millions of isk each month, on top of the isk for winning battles and pub stomping like little bitches. so, if your in one of these corps, of course you will never run out of money. You can go full proto every match...well in fact you do go full proto every match and still havr millions of cash left over. I aint hatin' on you for being rich... but don't look at the poor guy and say "start your own multi-billion isk corp and then you'll have money"... Or "run full proto get good scrub"... the game just doesn't work like that. Even running full militia gear you can hardly make money because you die repeatedly to proto stompers like you guys and go 9/17 or 7/12. So, in order to win these guys use adv gear but in the end go negative. therefore, your average dust player is left out of competetive play because they have to choose between going full proto and winning or losing terrible to make a few dollars.... Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça



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