Maybe you should alter your op a bit - CR is supposed to be good close to mid.

Maybe it can be toned down a bit; delay between bursts increased or RoF decreased. The AR can also be given a slight damage increase and sharper fall off in damage but both weapons are supposed to do well in close range.

RR needs a bit of work, possibly spool time increase and hipfire accuracy lessened.

why not just give the race suits a bonus for the race guns (while we need more guns for that)

assault gets bonus for mid close,mid and long (based on suit type if you want a fast med suit)
scout for sniper and close range weapons
heavy for close range and mid + heavy weapons

while i really have to say that i'm a bit bored of the "weapon x is op" stuff.

yes, if i know from where you're coming, then i can kill you with a long/mid range gun in a close up fight, is you stand in front of me... thats REAL! maybe they should rework the price, so a proto "lil machinegun" dosnt cost as much as a "T2" rifle, since close fight people die more anyway.


but i'm really, really bored if all this QQ here.

whats next week?
i came to a gunfight with a knife and he killed me.. guns'r OP?!??

When will CCP realise that you can't give weapons higher range AND higher DPS?

By op's logic, scr is also OP as **** and deserves a crippling- i mean... 'Readjustment'

The scrambler rifle's 'readjustment' already exists: if you don't manage heat buildup, your own weapon can and will kill you. I think this mechanic adds interesting depth to the weapon and is just about the most 'fun' weapon out there. It is kinda BS that the amarr assault suit's bonus all but negates this fun factor.

Everyone knows that the current FOTM are the Rail Rifle and Combat Rifles. Sure, these are the two newest weapons, and they may be slightly overtuned, but the real issue is that they are extremely effective at long ranges (intended), and still quite effective when in CQC (intended?). And with the published stats to the Magsec, Bolt and Ion pistols, there are seemingly no changes that are on the horizon to fix this.

Compare those two new rifles to our old faithful trusty companion, the Assault Rifle, and while it is extremely effective close range (doing the most damage, smallest spread), the detriment to using it at long ranges is fairly high: it stops functioning, it doesn't hit its target, or the damage is so incidental as to not matter. The problem is that the Rail and Combat rifles are more effective at close ranges than the Assault rifle is at long ranges; there's not the same degree of "reverse falloff" that afflicts the RR and CR at close ranges that the AR experiences when firing past effective range.

One solution would be to dramatically increase the dispersion of the RR and CR up close--this would make them very ineffective while hip firing (especially so for the assault versions (talking more spread than an unskilled SMG puts out)), but very well when aiming down scope. Another possibility would be to create a "minimum range" where those two offenders would have very little damage up close (akin to the AR's incidental damage at long ranges). There needs to be an incentive for a RR or CR user to swap to their sidearm in CQC, and the "burst" fire mode of the CR or spool up time on the RR are largely negated by the Assault variant of the CR and the fact that the dispersion while hip firing the RR is too good (the base burst firing mode of the CR is a fairly big drawback, requiring constant trigger pulls).

Without some major change to the close damage-dealing power of the "long range weapons," they'll continue to dominate over any short- to medium-range weapon due to the extreme detriment of using weapons with very short optimal and effective ranges vs weapons that perform great at long ranges and well at close ones.

the problem right now is that for some reason weapons meant for long range are jack of all trades. RR should be terrible in cqc while the ar being a cqc rifle should dominate. After ccp fixes this(hopefully) the next step will be making new urban maps. we have plenty of long range fighting maps but we need more cqc. I love playing as a heavy but since 75% of the maps are wide and open, Im forced to either stick to an objective inside a building or run assault.

This is one of my biggest pet peeves about CCPs map design, its tooo damn open and spread out. That said again why the RR and CR feel like jacks is due to bulletmag try and use them cqc with out AA and you will find they are horrible
(unless you get an amazing triger finger or a turbo then the CR is broken as ****!)

I don't get the need this forum had for every gun to be balanced. It's ok for guns to be niche.

I don't get the need this forum had for every gun to be balanced. It's ok for guns to be niche.

1.add more assets into the existing open maps for players to unitize as cover(rocks,hills,terrain,container cans,boxes etc.
2.better cqc oriented module maps
3.lower the AR optimal range by 10meters and increase AR base damage by 6%-7% across all tiers

A better solution IMO lies in map design
If we had some installations with more enclosed spaces then suddenly the ARs range limitations are rendered moot
It would be a boon for some of the non rifle weapons as well such as having to worry about a shotgunner lurking behind that corner in a hallway rather than that corner being in an open field giving you a wide berth around it out of the danger zone

Does anyone still use the mass driver in competitive matches? They didn't nerf it, ...

It's been nerfed twice despite being very situational. It used to be my primary weapon but I see little reason in carrying it now.

A better solution IMO lies in map design
If we had some installations with more enclosed spaces then suddenly the ARs range limitations are rendered moot
It would be a boon for some of the non rifle weapons as well such as having to worry about a shotgunner lurking behind that corner in a hallway rather than that corner being in an open field giving you a wide berth around it out of the danger zone

Balancing weapons on range was a terribly flawed idea from the start. Mercs aren't spaceships travelling at extreme speeds and dog fighting dozens of kilometers apart. What makes sense for Eve does not make sense for soldiers running around on the ground.

Stop balancing on range, and improve the maps by adding cover for troops to move around without constantly being exposed in open terrain.

I had a 1v1 rifle duel with another player today. We were both running toward the same point from opposite directions, and spotted each other at about 80-90 meters apart. I opened fire first (AR) strafing erratically trying to get closer, he barely moved (CR), lined me up and... Guess who won.
Yeah I know I was out of optimal range, but so was he.... He just stood there.... I really hope he had maxed proficiency, because otherwise that really sucks.

Combat rifles: Is it true that timed fanning of the trigger defeats kick? (I don't know, i haven't used it enough, or like, at all....)

kick and dispersion at higher levels of the CR are non exsistant, the ACR has a little more but its manageable the CR well you can laserline people with that thing if you can pull the trigger fast enough, and the clip limitation really only applies to the ACR, you have ~3 kill in the CR if you have AA on and don't waste your shots.

oh and if you are using ads on your rifle you are a moron, the only reason to bother is if your target is hard to see, and you need some zoom.

Map design doesn't change the fact taht the CR is vastly superior to the AR and the RR/ARR provides the same stopping power in cqc with tighter hipfire spread.

I use the RR regulary in cqc and it performs so well tthat there is no reason to use the AR. BW the CR/ACR AND RR/ARR all have better accuracy compared to the AR...

With the new rifles CCP broke the rule longer range = lower dps and higher dps = shorter range.

As all Rifles have roughly the same DPS the only thing that matters is range and to some degree damage per clip. And in these fields the RR/ARR claerly outshine the other rifles, followed by the SCR/ASCR and CR/ACR, than comes a long time nothing followed by the AR...(don't get me started on the AR variants)

Don't let RR/CR dominance fool you into believing the AR needs a damage buff, it does not.

it does when it supposed to have noticeably higher damage and functionality compared to the other rifles in its optimal range(cqc) which it doesn't atm.

which gun would you pick?
Gun A)
-425 dps
-mid hipfire accuracy
-low range
-low recoil

Gun B)
-421 dps
-high hipfire accuracy
-long range
-mid recoil


EDIT:;if not damage than a ROF increase to the AR from 750 to 800(to get nearly the same DPS as if it had a 6-7% damage increase) with 10m less optimal range.