message from Godin: If we could, 2 nitros is all I could run on my Maddy. Why? Because everything costs too much CPU/PG now.

message from Godin: If we could, 2 nitros is all I could run on my Maddy. Why? Because everything costs too much CPU/PG now.

Armor tanks should have less trouble fitting their lows then shield tanks.

i mean i guess but 1500 armor tank really isnt much dual hardened gunlogi's dont has long to live and that armor
hardener really wont let the survive blaster cqc..the hp values are what matters armor tanks come with 4000k armor..shields have 1500..with 30% harden..that may let the survive 1 more hit through they're armor tank

i dont really feel the gunlogi amor tanking isa big issue however i do feel if the madrugar is going to be starved for cpu at every turn then so to should the gunlogi be starved of pg

i would not say no to a caldari tank pg nerf

message from Godin: No, it should be the other way around. If I spend so much SP to max out a fit, I should b eable to fit it however I please. Maddys need more CPU.

yeah yeah yeah whatever....

The Large blaster needs to be removed and replaced with something more Gallente type.

Perhaps a 30% reduction to fire rate, and a 25% increase to to damage.
Or, a Plasma Cannon type turret, that has wicked splash radius and damage, but slow cycle reloads.

Bottom line, small turrets should be killing the infantry, not easy-mode Lg blasters that my grandma can use


Right now tanks don';t make sense, balance-wise, lore-wise, or in general-wise.




...also, putting your name in the topic annoyed me.

yeah yeah yeah whatever....

The Large blaster needs to be removed and replaced with something more Gallente type.

Perhaps a 30% reduction to fire rate, and a 25% increase to to damage.
Or, a Plasma Cannon type turret, that has wicked splash radius and damage, but slow cycle reloads.

Bottom line, small turrets should be killing the infantry, not easy-mode Lg blasters that my grandma can use


Right now tanks don';t make sense, balance-wise, lore-wise, or in general-wise.




...also, putting your name in the topic annoyed me.

ok so i have again 3 million sp into tanks i am primarily infantry but i have specced armor as i am hoping soon to see my amarian tank.

i have toyed only with mlt rail and lp missisles on sicas and stnd gunlogi basic modules

now turrets in general need clip adjustments and scaling

i would like us to start with mlt blaster at 125 stnd 150 adv 175 proto 200.

currently i can kill about 25 infantry with mlt blaster before reloading.

stacking penalties for all modules

armor reppers
tank hardeners dmg mods (jason pearson hada good idea on this one the more hardeners you have fitted the longer they take to cool and the less then run as there is no resor dmg% amount penalty.)

also you can only run 1 nitro unit and i think its wrong to limit 1 module like that but not even have stacking penalties armor tankers should have the option to run 2 nitro units in they're highs

now missiles from stnd on they all seem pretty crazy strong in cqc an i think the clips should be scaled for both them and rails as well this gives less room for inaccuracy at lower lvls also a smaller overall dmg stream before reload

No, Jason has had some terrible ideas about modules. Why should I have to fit my tank the way someone else wants me to to get the maximum benefit out of the modules I choose? Why should I have to use one booster, one hardener and one extender on a Gunnlogi, or one plate, one repper and one hardener on a Madrugar? We'll have fewer ways to fit out tanks like that, and everything will be the same again, like previous builds.

Armor tanks should have less trouble fitting their lows then shield tanks.

ok so i have again 3 million sp into tanks i am primarily infantry but i have specced armor as i am hoping soon to see my amarian tank.

i have toyed only with mlt rail and lp missisles on sicas and stnd gunlogi basic modules

now turrets in general need clip adjustments and scaling

i would like us to start with mlt blaster at 125 stnd 150 adv 175 proto 200.

currently i can kill about 25 infantry with mlt blaster before reloading.

stacking penalties for all modules

armor reppers
tank hardeners dmg mods (jason pearson hada good idea on this one the more hardeners you have fitted the longer they take to cool and the less then run as there is no resor dmg% amount penalty.)

also you can only run 1 nitro unit and i think its wrong to limit 1 module like that but not even have stacking penalties armor tankers should have the option to run 2 nitro units in they're highs

now missiles from stnd on they all seem pretty crazy strong in cqc an i think the clips should be scaled for both them and rails as well this gives less room for inaccuracy at lower lvls also a smaller overall dmg stream before reload

as far as MISSILES... yes clipsize should increase scaled... as to the rest... u want REs nerfed to oblivion so we cant JIHAAD... ur an idiot... lets nerf anything that can be used creatively (artisticly)

oo looks like a no skill jihaader has its panties ina twist well lets see 1 ive said before i hope ccp comes to a reasonable solution as its a terrible game mechanic used by no skill scrubs. you agree with one statement of mine and then call me an idiot and insult me bravo bravo.
pfft re's should require skill if ccp nerfs it to oblivion because of abuse then so be it. i waited 9 months for the flaylock to come out came out it was op and fotm didnt spec it because i have a rule against such and what did they do nerfed it to oblivion so i dont want it anyway. currently i have quite a few things im specced into that have been nerfed to **** stop crying and getting pissy because in my opinion your toy needs to be nerfed ..hey i have demolitions as well but i dont jihad..hopefully ccp will do something reasonable the jihad is going to go im sure i hope re's are usable after but tbh idc it wont effect my playstyle majorly. the most simple fix is to not let them stick to friendly tanks which i agree with other wise i suppose they may get they're dmg nerfed ..or maybe ccp will remove bpo lavs because its a cheap mechanic when used with such and thats why its an issue you could still practice your "art" be creative at about 40k isk a lav..i dont think people would like that though for some reason..im hoping they make it so they dont stick to friendlies at least my initial attacks will be unfazed when running av..but jihadders would be screwed as they should be.
jihad my tank while you can best of luck i promise i will be spamming them after your jihad has been taken away :p

No, Jason has had some terrible ideas about modules. Why should I have to fit my tank the way someone else wants me to to get the maximum benefit out of the modules I choose? Why should I have to use one booster, one hardener and one extender on a Gunnlogi, or one plate, one repper and one hardener on a Madrugar? We'll have fewer ways to fit out tanks like that, and everything will be the same again, like previous builds.

Sigh...

Don't you see that that Jason's idea is to give an ALTERNATIVE SOLUTION to that horrific "one module each type" nerf request?

That is an awesome idea to have a 'soft' stacking penalty like that. You can still fit several hardeners/damamods that way.
That way the permahardener issue can be handled without a nerfhammer. The cooldown increase wouldn't have to be big to open a reasonable moment of vulnerability while still making it worthwile to fit several.

yeah yeah yeah whatever....

The Large blaster needs to be removed and replaced with something more Gallente type.

Perhaps a 30% reduction to fire rate, and a 25% increase to to damage.
Or, a Plasma Cannon type turret, that has wicked splash radius and damage, but slow cycle reloads.

Bottom line, small turrets should be killing the infantry, not easy-mode Lg blasters that my grandma can use


Right now tanks don';t make sense, balance-wise, lore-wise, or in general-wise.




...also, putting your name in the topic annoyed me.

FCK THIS large blasters are here weather you like it or not so deal with it, if anythin the should ad the plc turret to the gallente selection and give us 4 mbt turret types fkn caldari get 2 turret type so should every other race.

fck off with tht large blaster removal bullshlt

jason may have had some different thoughts doesnt change the fact that it needs to happen or they should remove all suit stacking penalties..stacking penalties have always been a part of this game and that tanks have none is part of what makes them broken. also lower end turrets have way to high a kill stream 30 people dead a clip is high for mlt large blaster that needs to be lowered

they're should be a penalty for stacking modules

Tank Modules have always, and still do, have Stacking Penalties..... Many things you have stated in this Thread have proven to me you know very little of Vehicles..... Driving around in a Blaster Tank in Ambush, or Rage Quitting every Match you lose a LAV, does not make you a Vehicle Specialist. Your Sig has also negated any respect I may have had for you......& Pearson hasn't exactly made great strides in forming coherent suggestions as of late.

The entire Suit & Vehicle Systems have been forced into separate Mechanics as of 1.7, & that has thusly broken any real chances we had for balancing. IMHO Damage Mods, Rail RoF, & Blasters are about the main culprits behind many of the issues posed to both Infantry & Vehicles. Hardener Stacking mainly frustrates Infantry AV. But even then.....our Turrets still suffer from some very flawed Mechanics (IE: Turret "Hugging" stops the ability to shoot, LoS not showing the actual destination of our projectiles, especially when terrain affects it....etc.)

I see a few things that need actual "Tweaking", but not to such an extreme, that could define Roles better. Missiles could use a bit less Damage, Rails could have less RoF with a tad more Damage, & Blasters could have lower Efficiency vs Vehicles. This would, at the very least, give each Tank a more defined Role. Swarms could get a Range Lock Increase of 15-20% to bring them back in line. Now it would take a Missile Tank more time to kill a Blaster Tank, but with less fear of retaliation during reload, allowing the Blaster Tank a fighting chance to escape. Missiles become the primary Anti-Blaster Solution & control Enclosure Area Denial & Heavy Installation Killers (CRU/Supply Depot), while Rails remain Outskirt Area Denial & Anti-Air. Blasters now have a Focus as AI while sacrificing AV Capability.

The Fitting Parity is also broken as you can fit a Shield Tank too easily. Every Viable Madrugar Fit requires a Complex CPU Upgrade & Max Skills to fit a STD Setup with a couple of ADV additions. My Gunnlogi on the other hand.....does wtf ever it wants, without Max Skills. I only have Shield Modules @ Lvl 3, no Fitting Optimization, & can fit 2x Basic Damage Mods, 1x ADV Shield Hardener, 1x Complex Armor Plates (Or Hardener), & 1x Basic Heavy Armor Rep........with a Proto Rail. This literally fills both my CPU & PG Bar. My Armor Fits always cap out CPU.....with at least 1/3 PG to spare.....using a Complex CPU Upgrade. This fits an ADV Rail, ADV Hardener, ADV Heavy Armor Rep, & 2x Basic Damage Mods. Drop everything to STD, except the CPU Upgrade, & I may fit a Proto Rail......ALL while at Max Fitting Optimization.

JihadLAVs then have got to go.....otherwise none of these changes would matter.

FCK THIS large blasters are here weather you like it or not so deal with it, if anythin the should ad the plc turret to the gallente selection and give us 4 mbt turret types fkn caldari get 2 turret type so should every other race.

fck off with tht large blaster removal bullshlt

yeah yeah yeah whatever....

The Large blaster needs to be removed and replaced with something more Gallente type.

If you weaken the Blaster by making less effective VS vehicles, all we'll ever see is Rail tanks on the field. The primary solution is to reduce the AI effectiveness of all tanks, wether that be through reworking terrain (to give more hidey holes, tunnels etc) so that infantry can still operate without the need to kill tanks) or by reworking the actual tank weapons themselves. Tank survivability isn't really a big issue, its the ease and efficiency at which it kills infantry that is the unbalanced problem.

Incorrect

Reducing AV Effectivity of Blasters would not make it a "Railfest", especially if Rail RoF decreases. Only the truly Skilled would be able to manage AI Kills under the less spammable conditions, & Dropships would have a better chance to avoid an unskilled "Rail Kiddy". This solves 2 Issues right off the bat, & it gives a far less used Turret an actual Role, Missiles.

Missiles "May" have some AI killing potential, but they lack the Ammo & Accuracy to reliably kill Infantry. If a Missile Tank spams to kill Infantry he loses valuable time Reloading before an AV Engagement occurs, & may very well end up without the reserves needed to take out a Hostile Vehicular Threat. The Blaster Effectivity vs Vehicles would obviously not be Zero.....which is what you make it sound like that is what is suggested.

33% Efficiency lost, give or take a few, would still put a Skilled Blaster Tanker in a place where it "Could" kill another Tank in CQC. I already do this vs Rails with a STD Blaster..... Adv Nitro, STD Damage Mod, 2x STD Armor Hardeners, a STD Heavy Rep, & STD Blaster is all I need to outmaneuver & pressure just about any Rail in CQC. This @ a cost of 167K ISK, making it High Survivability, Low Risk, High Reward.....& I don't have Blaster Fitting Optimization past 2.....or was it 3, I forget.

Rail RoF Decrease means Misses will be far more punishing, putting only Skilled Pilots in Mid-Field with reliability of killing effectively. But then.....that is where the Missile Tank would shine. A maneuverable Missile Tank could easily chase off & kill a Low RoF CQC Rail under these conditions. This creates a "Triforce" among the current Turret Types, with Infantry AV being the "Wild Card".

Also.....Infantry have plenty of "Hidey Holes". AI is still best done with a RR, CR, & SCR. You should try looking at the "Big Picture" before you make your assumptions as it seems you may be a Blaster Tanker who only saw "Nerf Blasters" when reading my Post. L2R KthxBAI.

PS: You also missed the Swarm Suggestion.....since apparently you see only in "Blaster Vision".

If you weaken the Blaster by making less effective VS vehicles, all we'll ever see is Rail tanks on the field. The primary solution is to reduce the AI effectiveness of all tanks, wether that be through reworking terrain (to give more hidey holes, tunnels etc) so that infantry can still operate without the need to kill tanks) or by reworking the actual tank weapons themselves. Tank survivability isn't really a big issue, its the ease and efficiency at which it kills infantry that is the unbalanced problem.

but the caldari tank doesnt need nerfing to its armor tanking as its pathetic and armor hardeners work under high hp low persistent recover

if anything the cpu on maddy needs buffed slightly not pg though

No on hardeners

Missiles are fine

No to nitro if i want i should be able to fit 2 only stacking penalty applies if both are on

Blasters are fine, less damage on mlt compared to proto last time i remember my exile has the same clip size as the duvolle