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mollerz Minja Scouts 2235	Posted - 2014.02.02 20:22:00 - [1] - Quote Seems legit! I could see shields shrugging off our knives, but tank armor, much like dropsuit armor, should be damaged. It used to be that you could damage tanks with knives but it was removed. Is there any explanation for this? You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 997	Posted - 2014.02.02 20:24:00 - [2] - Quote You are damaging tanks with your knives, and any other kind of light weapon too. The difference is that the damage is so minimal that it may as well not have an effect at all. Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Jan. 29th
mr musturd 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 351	Posted - 2014.02.02 20:26:00 - [3] - Quote You actually could hurt tanks when uprising first came out but now you can't
Vell0cet SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 880	Posted - 2014.02.02 20:27:00 - [4] - Quote Don't bring a knife to a tank fight. Best PvE idea ever!
mollerz Minja Scouts 2236	Posted - 2014.02.02 20:29:00 - [5] - Quote I think you are mistaken on the damage being administered, even in small amounts, with knives. And if it's so small as to be insignificant, it may as well be considered to be unharmful to tanks. So again, why can't we do somewhat significant damage? You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution 1485	Posted - 2014.02.02 20:30:00 - [6] - Quote Knives can easily pierce Kevlar where as low caliber bullets can not so Knives are effective against armored infantry but a Knife vs. a tank the knife breaks. Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
mollerz Minja Scouts 2236	Posted - 2014.02.02 20:31:00 - [7] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Knives can easily pierce Kevlar where as low caliber bullets can not so Knives are effective against armored infantry but a Knife vs. a tank the knife breaks. OK.. Charged swipe.. basically a plasma cutter. I'll agree a swipe would likely bounce off (but not break). You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1719	Posted - 2014.02.02 20:32:00 - [8] - Quote mollerz wrote: Seems legit! I could see shields shrugging off our knives, but tank armor, much like dropsuit armor, should be damaged. It used to be that you could damage tanks with knives but it was removed. Is there any explanation for this? LOL GO BACK TO CALL OF DUTY!!! I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
mr musturd 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 352	Posted - 2014.02.02 20:32:00 - [9] - Quote mollerz wrote: I think you are mistaken on the damage being administered, even in small amounts, with knives. And if it's so small as to be insignificant, it may as well be considered to be unharmful to tanks. So again, why can't we do somewhat significant damage? We do no damage whatsoever now. Same goes with installations and crus. I use to blow up crus in chrome and when uprising first hit I took out 1 tank
mollerz Minja Scouts 2236	Posted - 2014.02.02 20:34:00 - [10] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: mollerz wrote: Seems legit! I could see shields shrugging off our knives, but tank armor, much like dropsuit armor, should be damaged. It used to be that you could damage tanks with knives but it was removed. Is there any explanation for this? LOL GO BACK TO CALL OF DUTY!!! LOLZ GO BACK TO MYSPACE You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla

mollerz Minja Scouts 2236	Posted - 2014.02.02 20:35:00 - [11] - Quote mr musturd wrote: mollerz wrote: I think you are mistaken on the damage being administered, even in small amounts, with knives. And if it's so small as to be insignificant, it may as well be considered to be unharmful to tanks. So again, why can't we do somewhat significant damage? We do no damage whatsoever now. Same goes with installations and crus. I use to blow up crus in chrome and when uprising first hit I took out 1 tank Good point! Installation/CRUs as well. Anything with armor really. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4341	Posted - 2014.02.02 20:35:00 - [12] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: LOL GO BACK TO CALL OF DUTY!!! Ironically, that's exactly where you belong with your mentality. Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
TunRa D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 453	Posted - 2014.02.02 20:37:00 - [13] - Quote I will always remember when me and 15 other blue berries attacked a red tank with assault rifles and SMGs, Pre 1.7 of course. I jumped on his gun and shot at his turrent with an SMG while the blues shoot him with their ars. Anyways he was helpless and we ended up poping him. Thanks CCP Foxfour
Bunny Demon Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 77	Posted - 2014.02.02 20:37:00 - [14] - Quote You'd be able to 3-4 shot a tank with knives (proto knives can do 1000+ damage apparently) So.....when are the um......new dropsuits coming out CCP.....it's been a few weeks now.... ;)
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1719	Posted - 2014.02.02 20:37:00 - [15] - Quote Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: LOL GO BACK TO CALL OF DUTY!!! Ironically, that's exactly where you belong with your mentality. LOL wrong game It's people like you that want tanks so weak, that you can destroy them with knives, that need to go back to Call of Duty. I swear to god, you're all insane. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
8213 Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 1584	Posted - 2014.02.02 20:38:00 - [16] - Quote Most infantry weapons don't hurt armor or vehicle shields because it would interrupt rep cycles. A guy with NKs or a SMG would then in theory stop HP regeneration on the tank allowing proper AV to destroy it. Tankers would have 0 chance then. Fish in a bucket! Darken's Testament SKIPPY
Llast 326 An Arkhos 1753	Posted - 2014.02.02 20:40:00 - [17] - Quote Was the Amarr version of NK not rumoured to be AV? Who knows really, this stuff is always suspect to much sodium. It would be interesting as a conceptGÇª effective, who knows? KRRROOOOOOM
shadow drake35 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 47	Posted - 2014.02.02 20:40:00 - [18] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: Don't bring a knife to a tank fight. ya if you to u better have a big gun on backup The Mercenary Way Who careswhat i use as long as the job is done and i get paid.
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 339	Posted - 2014.02.02 20:41:00 - [19] - Quote message from Godin: If you could, any weapon would really be able to do AV really, as many weapons have the DPS that matches large blaster turrets. CCP saw that (after they saw the squads of PR's shooting at HAV's and killing them), and nerfed the efficiency on everything but AV weapons and large turrets. Even smalls got nerfed.
AAGMUNDR Reliable Overwatch Inc. 286	Posted - 2014.02.02 20:41:00 - [20] - Quote No matter which side you're on, you've got to admit, it'd be badass to see a bunch of scouts piled on top of a tank opening that **** up like a can of tuna.

mollerz Minja Scouts 2236	Posted - 2014.02.02 20:44:00 - [21] - Quote Bunny Demon wrote: You'd be able to 3-4 shot a tank with knives (proto knives can do 1000+ damage apparently) I can do north of 1400 damage with a charge swipe. But let's break it down- I am saying shields- 0 damage or very minimal. like 1%. That means the tanks shields would have to be wiped out to even do anything. I am also saying that swipes won't do any damage, only charged swipes. I'm seeing tanks with 5K+ armor, so yes, that would be 4-5 (or more) charged swipe hits to pop the tank. Do you know how how hard it would be to take out a tanks shields, and then hit it with 4 or so charged swipes before they rolled off at LAV speeds? You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
mollerz Minja Scouts 2236	Posted - 2014.02.02 20:46:00 - [22] - Quote 8213 wrote: Most infantry weapons don't hurt armor or vehicle shields because it would interrupt rep cycles. A guy with NKs or a SMG would then in theory stop HP regeneration on the tank allowing proper AV to destroy it. Tankers would have 0 chance then. That is a valid point, and I am sure it's not an insurmountable issue. I'd be fine with the inability to interrupt rep cycles, but still apply damage. EDIT: I hid godin/roger whatever posts. I can no longer see them. I was very pleased to see now they just show up minimized. Sorry dude- I'll never read your posts again. TTFN. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
mollerz Minja Scouts 2238	Posted - 2014.02.02 21:00:00 - [23] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: It's people like you that want tanks so weak, that you can destroy them with knives, that need to go back to Call of Duty. I swear to god, you're all insane. One could say you want to keep tanks so strong you don't have to worry about anything. Just like they are now. If a charged knife can split a heavy with 800 armor in half why can't it do similar damage to tank armor? And it's not just knives. If you cling to that, then you may as well move along. These are plasma cutters when they are charged- not sharp blades. They melt armor like hot butter. Tank armor is no different than phatty armor. It appears, the only reason installation/CRU/vehicle armor is exempt is to, once again, solely placate tankers to the end of lessening your QQ. You just want a win button that can't take damage. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 1366	Posted - 2014.02.02 21:02:00 - [24] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: LOL GO BACK TO CALL OF DUTY!!! i don't think you understand. NOBODY LIKES YOU. Anime > EVERYTHING
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1720	Posted - 2014.02.02 21:10:00 - [25] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: LOL GO BACK TO CALL OF DUTY!!! i don't think you understand. NOBODY LIKES YOU. Who has more likes? I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1720	Posted - 2014.02.02 21:11:00 - [26] - Quote mollerz wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: It's people like you that want tanks so weak, that you can destroy them with knives, that need to go back to Call of Duty. I swear to god, you're all insane. One could say you want to keep tanks so strong you don't have to worry about anything. Just like they are now. If a charged knife can split a heavy with 800 armor in half why can't it do similar damage to tank armor? And it's not just knives. If you cling to that, then you may as well move along. These are plasma cutters when they are charged- not sharp blades. They melt armor like hot butter. Tank armor is no different than phatty armor. It appears, the only reason installation/CRU/vehicle armor is exempt is to, once again, solely placate tankers to the end of lessening your QQ. You just want a win button that can't take damage. There's no logical argument that infantry weapons should damage tanks at all. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
BobThe 844-1 CakeMan Murder Cakes Of Doom 1599	Posted - 2014.02.02 21:13:00 - [27] - Quote if we had lightsabers i wish we could too. i would totally prefer a lightsaber over a tank u know how OP lightsabers r u could deflect tank shots back at the tank yea. :) Main - BobThe843CakeMan Ringing for PC for a price, msg for details. Prices are based on who ur facing and how i feel.
mollerz Minja Scouts 2239	Posted - 2014.02.02 21:14:00 - [28] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: mollerz wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: It's people like you that want tanks so weak, that you can destroy them with knives, that need to go back to Call of Duty. I swear to god, you're all insane. One could say you want to keep tanks so strong you don't have to worry about anything. Just like they are now. If a charged knife can split a heavy with 800 armor in half why can't it do similar damage to tank armor? And it's not just knives. If you cling to that, then you may as well move along. These are plasma cutters when they are charged- not sharp blades. They melt armor like hot butter. Tank armor is no different than phatty armor. It appears, the only reason installation/CRU/vehicle armor is exempt is to, once again, solely placate tankers to the end of lessening your QQ. You just want a win button that can't take damage. There's no logical argument that infantry weapons should damage tanks at all. Given the game setting- sure there is. I agree small arms fire would be insignificant. The equivalent of a light saber would be significant damage. I realize you can't wrap your head around it. But, also, it's in your best interest to keep tanks as they are. I understand. I don't want you to QQ. But I would expect you to grasp the concept. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Zerus Ni'Kator Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 192	Posted - 2014.02.02 21:14:00 - [29] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: mollerz wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: It's people like you that want tanks so weak, that you can destroy them with knives, that need to go back to Call of Duty. I swear to god, you're all insane. One could say you want to keep tanks so strong you don't have to worry about anything. Just like they are now. If a charged knife can split a heavy with 800 armor in half why can't it do similar damage to tank armor? And it's not just knives. If you cling to that, then you may as well move along. These are plasma cutters when they are charged- not sharp blades. They melt armor like hot butter. Tank armor is no different than phatty armor. It appears, the only reason installation/CRU/vehicle armor is exempt is to, once again, solely placate tankers to the end of lessening your QQ. You just want a win button that can't take damage. There's no logical argument that infantry weapons should damage tanks at all. Theres no logical argument to why AV specific weapons cant comfortably deal with Tanks
Awesome Pantaloons Lokapalas. 257	Posted - 2014.02.02 21:14:00 - [30] - Quote You want to know why knives don't do significant damage? When the **** was the last time you saw a soldier charge a tank and try to stab it? "Uhhhh but these are special knives". In this setting, armor would have become just as advanced as the knives. You have failed the forums. "Seems legit". Kid, feed your poor brain. It seems to be dying. "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited." -The Code of Demeanor

mollerz Minja Scouts 2239	Posted - 2014.02.02 21:18:00 - [31] - Quote Awesome Pantaloons wrote: You want to know why knives don't do significant damage? When the **** was the last time you saw a soldier charge a tank and try to stab it? "Uhhhh but these are special knives". In this setting, armor would have become just as advanced as the knives. You have failed the forums. "Seems legit". Kid, feed your poor brain. It seems to be dying. Are you saying that in real life you never see a soldier charge a tank with a knife? Because I never saw a madrugar, a nova knife, nor a dropsuit in real life either. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Bradric Banewolf D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 83	Posted - 2014.02.02 21:24:00 - [32] - Quote ........ it's a tank?! I'm not sure I get what your getting at here?!? "Anybody order chaos?"
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 3862	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:01:00 - [33] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: mollerz wrote: Seems legit! I could see shields shrugging off our knives, but tank armor, much like dropsuit armor, should be damaged. It used to be that you could damage tanks with knives but it was removed. Is there any explanation for this? LOL GO BACK TO CALL OF DUTY!!! You disappoint me. If you will insult another man, at least have the decency to be creative. My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Anarchide, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 3862	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:03:00 - [34] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: LOL GO BACK TO CALL OF DUTY!!! i don't think you understand. NOBODY LIKES YOU. Who has more likes? Biscuit rarely posts. My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Anarchide, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 1962	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:03:00 - [35] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: mollerz wrote: Seems legit! I could see shields shrugging off our knives, but tank armor, much like dropsuit armor, should be damaged. It used to be that you could damage tanks with knives but it was removed. Is there any explanation for this? LOL GO BACK TO CALL OF DUTY!!! Not surprised you'd say something stupid. Minmatar Assault. Hopeful Caldari Scout soon. praying for that respec.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 3862	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:04:00 - [36] - Quote mollerz, this is a bit rediculous. I would only support this idea if you could jump on the tank and hit a weak spot multiple times. My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Anarchide, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 643	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:42:00 - [37] - Quote mollerz wrote: Seems legit! I could see shields shrugging off our knives, but tank armor, much like dropsuit armor, should be damaged. It used to be that you could damage tanks with knives but it was removed. Is there any explanation for this? Try slicing an instalation, it does 0% damage. I remember back in early uprising my Lav's were blown up by NK's. Under 28db Officially nerfproof (predicting CR nerf February '14) Selling SP: 10k SP per 100k ISK.
mollerz Minja Scouts 2241	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:50:00 - [38] - Quote At best hypothetical- I'd have to flux a tank. maybe I'll kill it's shields.. depending. But let's say I carpet bomb the dude. Now it is down to armor and I can knife it. But only charge swipe to for damage. If a tank has 5000 armor and I am fully max skilled- LV5 knives, knife prof, and minja dropsuit: I have to charge swipe it 4+ times to pop it. -None of my damage resets any rep cycle -Hardeners would still be effective (including popping the shield back up) The chances of a scout soloing a tank in that regard is nonsensical. It would be a rare occurrence, and certainly only the noobiest of tankers would succumb to such an attack. At best- a severely weakened tank on it's last legs would get killed. Most likely some damage would occur and the tank would blast off at LAV speed. How is this OP in any way? You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
mollerz Minja Scouts 2241	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:51:00 - [39] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: mollerz wrote: Seems legit! I could see shields shrugging off our knives, but tank armor, much like dropsuit armor, should be damaged. It used to be that you could damage tanks with knives but it was removed. Is there any explanation for this? Try slicing an instalation, it does 0% damage. I remember back in early uprising my Lav's were blown up by NK's. I know it. Only dropsuit armor is affected. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Kharga Lum Arcana Imperii Ltd. Northern Army. 270	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:56:00 - [40] - Quote This is a slippery slope argument. If a knife can hurt a tank why not other light weapons or side arms? Then we're back to tanks being killed by mobs of AR's. It's a tank...a knife would barely hurt a car.

mollerz Minja Scouts 2242	Posted - 2014.02.02 23:00:00 - [41] - Quote Kharga Lum wrote: This is a slippery slope argument. If a knife can hurt a tank why not other light weapons or side arms? Then we're back to tanks being killed by mobs of AR's. It's a tank...a knife would barely hurt a car. A knife would never hurt a car/tank. A plasma cutter would. A knife swipe is just a knife. A charged knife swipe is a plasma cutter. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1817	Posted - 2014.02.02 23:10:00 - [42] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: LOL GO BACK TO CALL OF DUTY!!! i don't think you understand. NOBODY LIKES YOU. Who has more likes? Me. I get the feeling that people generally like me. People don't like you. Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire MAG ~ Seryi Volk Executive Response
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4354	Posted - 2014.02.02 23:19:00 - [43] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Who has more likes? Really? This is how we're doing things? We're going by something as insignificant as likes? Okay then Spkr4TheDead. Atiim & Everyone Else On The Forums wrote: NOBODY LIKES YOU! Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
Awesome Pantaloons Lokapalas. 257	Posted - 2014.02.03 16:05:00 - [44] - Quote mollerz wrote: Awesome Pantaloons wrote: You want to know why knives don't do significant damage? When the **** was the last time you saw a soldier charge a tank and try to stab it? "Uhhhh but these are special knives". In this setting, armor would have become just as advanced as the knives. You have failed the forums. "Seems legit". Kid, feed your poor brain. It seems to be dying. Are you saying that in real life you never see a soldier charge a tank with a knife? Because I never saw a madrugar, a nova knife, nor a dropsuit in real life either. Do you comprehend analogous concepts? A Madrugar is analogous to an Abrams. Nova Knives are analogous to military grade knives. Dropsuits are analogous to combat armor. Try again, pal. "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited." -The Code of Demeanor
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2533	Posted - 2014.02.03 16:12:00 - [45] - Quote TunRa wrote: I will always remember when me and 15 other blue berries attacked a red tank with assault rifles and SMGs, Pre 1.7 of course. I jumped on his gun and shot at his turrent with an SMG while the blues shoot him with their ars. Anyways he was helpless and we ended up poping him. I can confirm doing this as well. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 2623	Posted - 2014.02.03 16:14:00 - [46] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: LOL GO BACK TO CALL OF DUTY!!! i don't think you understand. NOBODY LIKES YOU. Who has more likes? WHO CARES!?!?! Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1057	Posted - 2014.02.03 16:18:00 - [47] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: LOL GO BACK TO CALL OF DUTY!!! Ironically, that's exactly where you belong with your mentality. LOL wrong game It's people like you that want tanks so weak, that you can destroy them with knives, that need to go back to Call of Duty. I swear to god, you're all insane. It's you who think tankers are so un skilled that a sprinting up knifer even poses much of a threat unless the tank makes a mistake themselfs. I Personally would love seeing scouts all trying to jump onto a tank like a bunch of monkeys with a vendetta... trying to take out an elephant...
IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis 576	Posted - 2014.02.03 19:12:00 - [48] - Quote Kharga Lum wrote: This is a slippery slope argument. If a knife can hurt a tank why not other light weapons or side arms? Then we're back to tanks being killed by mobs of AR's. It's a tank...a knife would barely hurt a car. You realize all other weapons in the game hurt a tank right? The NK does 0 damage. All other light weapons have at least a 1% dmg impact. Awesome Pantaloons wrote: A Madrugar is analogous to an Abrams. Nova Knives are analogous to military grade knives. Dropsuits are analogous to combat armor. Try again, pal. People who try and put realism into video games are already failing. Please tell me what an armor rep is analogous to? How about shields? How about third person tank view? For every "realistic" analogy you can supply there are 10 more that don't exist in real life. Its about creative solutions to a problem. Its about hurting the morale of your opponent and bragging rights. You think anyone that uses NKs are actually better off using them than the fine rifles? Its a challenge and its a slap in the face to be killed by an NK user. Its the same as getting your tags taken in BF. A nova knife in the BEST situation would likely need 3 or 4 charge swipes to take down a tanker solo. Considering fat heavys can backpedal outside of the charge blade swing, I don't think tankers could be stupid enough to die to a kniver. Which is the point to including it. It gives us another challenge and gives you free targets to kill. Those complaining about this are likely just worried about the morale hit they will take when a 200hp scout suit blows up their tank when they were stupid enough to let it happen. Scouts would be better off using remotes to take out your tank then NKs (remotes do 1500dmg and we can place 3 on your tank easy)....apparently you don't see the "creative content" and "fun factor" this is supposed to supply. PHI Recruitment or PHIsh Tank in game Youtube


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