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Egonz4
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.01.31 20:56:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:+1 to the OP.
This topic has been discussed and it seems like the largest group of ANTI-RESPEC folks come from Eve and bring that mentality here.
The benefits of a respec far outweigh the negatives at this juncture. Tell me: What reason would the skillsystem have if people would get a respec every time they asked?
Yes exactly
This would be the last full respec..even if vehicle races do come we won't need one.
But we should get a respec for suits that should have been here since open beta
Shout out to us Unholy Legion veterans.
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VALCORE72
NECROM0NGERS
The CORVOS
25
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Posted - 2014.01.31 21:31:00 -
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no to a full respec but weapons' suits and upgrades are needed . for me it was the hmg . dam thing was broke for months so i had to spec in to crap i really didnt want to. if there is i will do full minny . heavy 'assault mabe commando with cr .hmg .smg . fg . for weapons . while going back to max pg .cpu . kincats. shields.armor . instead of have shlt alover the place |
Nocturnal Soul
Fatal Absolution
Covert Intervention
1806
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Posted - 2014.01.31 21:35:00 -
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Just give me my damn respec already
New born sAMARRi
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Egonz4
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
8
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Posted - 2014.01.31 22:56:00 -
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VALCORE72 wrote:no to a full respec but weapons' suits and upgrades are needed . for me it was the hmg . dam thing was broke for months so i had to spec in to crap i really didnt want to. if there is i will do full minny . heavy 'assault mabe commando with cr .hmg .smg . fg . for weapons . while going back to max pg .cpu . kincats. shields.armor . instead of have shlt alover the place
I feel u man......even though the hmg doesn't look that bad. (Have u seen Pyrex's videos lately)
Shout out to us Unholy Legion veterans.
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Renegade Alliance
1162
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Posted - 2014.01.31 23:14:00 -
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no respecs, and use the search engine. there's about 1000 threads like this. |
Egonz4
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
8
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Posted - 2014.01.31 23:22:00 -
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low genius wrote:no respecs, and use the search engine. there's about 1000 threads like this.
Yes respecs.... They won't hurt u any!
And there's always enough room for another respec thread
Shout out to us Unholy Legion veterans.
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Alena Ventrallis
The Neutral Zone
573
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Posted - 2014.01.31 23:51:00 -
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So some people will chase FOTM. Who freaking cares? |
Scheneighnay McBob
Learning Coalition College
3860
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Posted - 2014.02.01 00:23:00 -
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If anything, we should only get a refund for the current light and heavy frame SP/skillbooks
The people who would abuse respecs always outnumber those using them for the intended reason.
Last time we got a full optional respec, very few of us (myself included) DIDN'T take it.
This respec was because there was a slight error in skill descriptions- I highly doubt everyone messed up with it.
This was also shortly after a mandatory respec- the only real reason everyone respecced shortly after the last one was because the FOTM changed.
Shortly thereafter, everyone and their brother was a caldari logi.
I am your scan error.
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Darken-Soul
BIG BAD W0LVES
243
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Posted - 2014.02.01 00:38:00 -
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I am thinking about respeccing into my core skills and just sitting on the other 20million sp. I would have to grab skills that enhance the free suits like AR Prof V and ScP too.
I am the real Darken
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Tebu Gan
Dem Durrty Boyz
Renegade Alliance
515
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Posted - 2014.02.01 00:44:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:+1 to the OP.
This topic has been discussed and it seems like the largest group of ANTI-RESPEC folks come from Eve and bring that mentality here.
The benefits of a respec far outweigh the negatives at this juncture.
Yup, EVE is a totally different game. A respec works in a FPS, as things tend to get rather stale shooting people in the face the same way, day in and day out.
Nuff Said
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Roger Cordill
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
331
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Posted - 2014.02.01 01:06:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:+1 to the OP.
This topic has been discussed and it seems like the largest group of ANTI-RESPEC folks come from Eve and bring that mentality here.
The benefits of a respec far outweigh the negatives at this juncture. Yup, EVE is a totally different game. A respec works in a FPS, as things tend to get rather stale shooting people in the face the same way, day in and day out.
message from Godin: Considering that in EVE it's even less imput from the user in combat or otherwise, it's actually far more enjoyable to shoot someone in the foot. Actually, due to imbalance, respecs are far less likely to occur in a hardcore shooter. However, a full infantry respec is still needed for 1.8. Why a full one? Well, Commandos, Logi's, Assaults and Scouts have bonuses to do with skills in Dropsuit upgrades and weaponary that is greatly alter the performance of said weapon or equipment. If you're not using said items, you're frankly wasting your SP on an unoptimized fit, and nobody should be stuck with unoptimized fits due to changes CCP made. nerfs, sure. But to this extent, especially when adding sidearms and suit frames that should have been here honestly day 1, a full infantry respec should happen. Once the same thing happens for vehicles, one will probably need at least a turret op. and vehicle upgrades respec (due to the over simplified way the vehicle tree is now.). |
Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens
League of Infamy
407
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Posted - 2014.02.01 01:11:00 -
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DUST is not EVE anymore than World of Warcraft is Warcraft 3 or Hearthstone. They share the same universe but I don't think stating "EVE doesn't do respecs" is a little pointless. This game is far, far more Arcade like than EVE though still not nearly as much as most other FPS. Just the concept that the average player in DUST kills farrr more people in a single match than the average EVE player is involved in kills a week. The only refund that I know about in EVE is when Learning Skills went away. But that amounted to several million SP to EVERY single character. Just getting rid of it and saying "your time would have been better spent lighting your own farts" wouldn't have gone over well. So far, I have been involved in 2 full respecs and 1 partial refund.
First was May 14th when the game officially released. The next was about two weeks later because CCP made several mistakes in the tree. In order to get Vehicle Shield Modules, you needed to skill both into Dropsuit Shields and Vehicle Shield Modules. Even worse is that Vehicle Engineering flat-out lied what it was supposed to do and CCP didn't do a great job explaining to the community what was happening with it. It read that it gave 5% PG per level. Great, so people obviously are going to max it because PG was a massive problem. It wasn't doing anything, CCP responded that "it is not currently working as intended but it is meant to so don't worry." Great, so everyone drops points into it. Well, it turns out that the skill instead made it takes less CPU to fit PG modules. In other words, nearly useless. That was a voluntary respec; "send message here for to get a respec." Finally, Vehicle Skills were refunded last patch.
This shows that CCP is willing to give respecs and refunds when there are drastic changes. You add a Rail Rifle and a Combat Rifle, no change. You add 6 Heavy Suits, 2 Light Suits, tie Racial dropsuits and weapons together, and re-vamp what a logistics does (some would view to be more inline with what a support is meant to do), it seems to me that a refund for at least Dropsuit Commands and Weaponry is in order. Of course, if you walk that far, why not go one step further and refund all three Infantry Skill Trees.
What happens when all racial dropships are released, an Amarr/Gallente Heavy weapon, a Caldari Heavy weapon meant for Infantry killing, a Caldari/Minmatar/Amarr 'Shotgun', or Amarr/Gallente/Minmatar Sniper Rifle? It certainly needs to happen since Assault/Commando get bonuses for using their racial weapons, so the only game in town for being a Sniper is Caldari. Do you just refund the skills put in those weapons to all those that send a ticket?
Arguing that a respec shouldn't happen because of FOTM issues is like saying "the IRS shouldn't give tax refunds because people will spend the money on prostitutes and drugs." |
Chesyre Armundsen
Thanes Of Dust
402
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Posted - 2014.02.01 01:16:00 -
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My 2 cents is that I'm for a respec, but only to put those points into my racial suit counterparts.
I just want my Gal Sentinel instead of the Amarr suit that I have to use.
Mihi gravato Deus - "Let God lay the burden on me!"
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Damian Crisis
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.02.01 01:22:00 -
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i would like a respec for my original character but my original character is only like a week old but I already made crappy decisions. Mind you, as a newbie, I made and deleted a character like FIVE TIMES and by now I got the gist of it and happy with how I'm starting this character already. I'm no longer indecisive and know how to play my role, so I'm happy either or. I do hope for a respec though to make everyone happy.
Popularity is not an attribute of a Scout, unless it's the afterlife.
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Sam Tektzby
Better Hide R Die
126
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Posted - 2014.02.01 01:34:00 -
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Respec shoul be essential part of every ugrade/patch.
People mosty did good choices, just CCP somehow stomping on our decisions.
And thats a reason, by my side.
Yeah if someone made wrong decision its his fault (but he should have some way to reverse it either - once or twice), but this is still just one tear in CCPs sea of their decisions, their changes to our stuff and their implementations.
Thats a reason why respec should be logic step for community by their side.
Support - Tactician/Support
Deteis - Orator
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KING CHECKMATE
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
4262
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Posted - 2014.02.01 01:40:00 -
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OZAROW wrote:After the last respec I spent my points wisely, and was very happy with minmatar scout, month later, strafe changes, endurance nerf, armor buff, op rifle ranges , scr, faylocks, mass drivers, spent the next 4 months going armor and gallente scout.
Now I have both so who cares but, for about half a yr I cursed CCP every day an I don't wanna go through that BS again!
Same here.After the last respec i spent my SP wisely in MIN Scout.same as OZ.
Then after the nerfs that made speed tanking almost useless i went BACK to my Amarr Assault Role.
And now in 1.8 im even loosing the SCR HEAT SINK the suit has (main and ONLY reason to use amarr assault over any other assault).
The history of getting F... over repeats itself over and over and over again... And this are mere 2 examples, out of t least 15 on how my 25 mill sp are wasted all over...
AceOfJokers666 [ + ] AimBot / VALOR / MAG | YOU EITHER LOVE BACON OR YOU ARE WRONG
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KING CHECKMATE
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
4262
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Posted - 2014.02.01 01:41:00 -
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Vance Vyth wrote:A respec will breath new life into a dying game. That is all.
This resumes all Respec threads.
Well said Vance.
AceOfJokers666 [ + ] AimBot / VALOR / MAG | YOU EITHER LOVE BACON OR YOU ARE WRONG
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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens
League of Infamy
409
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Posted - 2014.02.01 01:44:00 -
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Damian Crisis wrote:i would like a respec for my original character but my original character is only like a week old but I already made crappy decisions. Mind you, as a newbie, I made and deleted a character like FIVE TIMES and by now I got the gist of it and happy with how I'm starting this character already. I'm no longer indecisive and know how to play my role, so I'm happy either or. I do hope for a respec though to make everyone happy.
Deleting a character is, generally, not the best way to go. The only reason I can think of to delete a character is if you have played less than a week and spent your 500,000 SP on things that are literally useless like Dropsuit Upgrades 5 or Dropsuit Command 4/5.
Even if you put your points into turrets when you are a ground pounder, you may want to use vehicles later so those points are not wasted. |
Sam Tektzby
Better Hide R Die
128
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Posted - 2014.02.01 01:55:00 -
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Damian Crisis wrote:i would like a respec for my original character but my original character is only like a week old but I already made crappy decisions. Mind you, as a newbie, I made and deleted a character like FIVE TIMES and by now I got the gist of it and happy with how I'm starting this character already. I'm no longer indecisive and know how to play my role, so I'm happy either or. I do hope for a respec though to make everyone happy.
Same story here, i made from scratch i think four or five personas.
(i using just one slot, dont like my thigies too complicated - aspi)
Support - Tactician/Support
Deteis - Orator
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PLAYSTTION
GamersForChrist
Orion Empire
25
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Posted - 2014.02.01 02:23:00 -
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to stop FOTM don't let people play until they use their sp. otherwise just leave it. People won't have enough time to notice the FOTM with all the new suits anyway and with the variety i don't think there will be "A" FOTM it will be many so everyone has a chance
-Open Beta Vet-12.4 mil sp-
Dust 514 recruitment link here
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LEHON Xeon
Pradox XVI
Proficiency V.
167
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Posted - 2014.02.01 02:29:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Full infantry respec or bust.
That's how I'm going at it. Full or bust. If there isn't, this person is checking out of DUST for several months until enough SP stacks up for new proto suits.
It's a trap! In this patch we can't repel firepower of that magnitude! - Admiral Ackbar would say in ambush w Nyain San
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LuckyLuke Wargan
HavoK Core
RISE of LEGION
307
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Posted - 2014.02.01 03:32:00 -
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A remember the last respec, It brought back a lot of life into Dust, people were very happy about it YES, EVEN MANY OF MY FRIENDS WHO WERE TOTALLY AGAINST IT were excited when they finally got theirs. Honestly I don't care anymore and just moved on... despite the fact that they had a new Commando Class which was perfect for my AV playstyle that I couldent use for 3-4 months... and I don't care anymore that they are now releasing a commando class better fitted for my swarm use... I won't be able to use it for anothere 4 months, and am skilled into the wrong commando for what I do...
"Cry HavoK!, and let slip the dogs of war!"
-Medical/Intel Logibro and Swarm Commando-
I feed on tanker tears...
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Egonz4
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
17
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Posted - 2014.02.01 05:31:00 -
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Dang, a lot of good points in this discussion ccp
Shout out to us Unholy Legion veterans.
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Auris Lionesse
Capital Acquisitions LLC
Renegade Alliance
123
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Posted - 2014.02.01 05:41:00 -
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if i was an amarr assault with proto laser weaponry id be very unhappy. ive supported an infantry respec since 1.7 with broken tanks launched. |
Komodo Jones
Chaotik Serenity
404
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Posted - 2014.02.01 05:41:00 -
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Yeah I support it for dropsuits and weapons, a respec once in a while wouldn't be a bad thing, at least until they've gotten all of the vehicle and dropsuit variants that they wanted to put in the game, that and after they (hopefully) put in the SP pool or rollover system. If people are worried about everyone specing into the fit of the month, who cares? It will only last for a month, then they will probably get heavily nerfed andit will be useless again, and people realize this and instead spec into things that work for them, only idiots spec into the fit of the month intentionally.
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BlazeXYZ
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
1
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Posted - 2014.02.01 17:24:00 -
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Egonz4 wrote:As you all know people have been begging for a respec to come with the upcoming 1.8 patch. I thought I would share my veteran outlook on what a respec could do... First off there is a lot of good things a respec could do, such as....Bringing back old players who made bad decisions, help people who really like the LORE of EVE fight for their faction, and help people defend themselves from the proto stompers. Some of peoples concerns are that everyone will spec into the FOTM, and i get that, that has been a huge problem for a while. But i personally think a respec would be good, and I would definitely use it to spec into all Caldari suits even if they are crap. I think a full respec would be good but rather unlikely.....but a weapon and suits respec would still be okay, not hurting anyone...... What do you guys think? what are the pros and cons to having a respec? I never get on the forums to post, but today I made an exception cuz I know I made bad specing decisions and I have definetly paid the price...I currently only have around 15 mil isk (not a lot for a veteran) and cant afford going any higher than advance. At one point I though of just deleting my character and starting over, but it was hard and I was thinking about just deleting Dust, but Dust being Dust.... just wouldnt let me go  So personally I say a respec would be great for me and a lot of people like me. stay cool mercs!
I have around 15 million sp, your right not enough for a veteran like me. I made so many mistakes in dust and i just move on with these mistakes. During Uprising i had only had 3 mill. and wasted all that sp for nothing. Then when CCP was giving out the optional respec i missed it, wasn't even aware this was going on. Now i'm stuck with my mistakes and moved on. I kept on asking them to give me a respec, never gave me a chance. Now that 1.8 is coming a respec is logical. However, looking at the forums people suggests not having a respec. Why i don't know . Please CCP give the people who wants a respec a respec . This would give me and others a new chance toward this game. |
Dunk Mujunk
RestlessSpirits
460
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Posted - 2014.02.01 17:41:00 -
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We just had all vehicle SP refunded. I would imagine dropsuit command will be refunded with the addition of the racial suits. If dropsuit upgrades change drastically i would imagine there would be a refund there as well. Weapons are not going to change much, just new weapons added. No need for a refund there. When all is said and done that is damn near a full respec. At what point do people start spending SP wisely? Only after a full respec? And after said full respec, what do you tell the next mob of people who will want a fresh respec a week later? Do you tell them no because you got your final respec and you are happy?
Give a full respec, doesn't really matter. I will enjoy a good laugh when respec threads keep flooding the forums after said respec.
I've heard it plenty before but I went through Jim Jones' suicide tape transcript to find a good quote...jesus christ.
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darkiller240
WarRavens
League of Infamy
324
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Posted - 2014.02.01 17:44:00 -
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10k arum for respecs
CCP will be baving in money
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
1571
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Posted - 2014.02.01 18:37:00 -
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I hope they give the stupid refund so all you QQers will STFU. It will change little. The same people will complain about the same things and it won't help stop proto stomps. Good players are good and they will dominate bad players every time. If/when they give the respec I hope they tell all of you to pi$$ off. It isn't that bad and setting a precedent for a respec only encourages the call for more down the line.
I try not to say this often but HTFU.
List of positives.
Makes people FEEL good.
List of negatives.
It hurts news players by allowing older players with vastly more SP to build perfect fits.
It hurts the lore/idea of choices have consequences.
Makes us look like crybaby candy a$$es to EVE pilots.
Sets a precedent for more respecs, especially to new players because they say "vets had one why can't we?".
Don't get me wrong, I think CCP have painted themselves into a corner and now have to issue a refund. I am worried that the same thing will happen with an infantry refund as a vehicle refund. All things will be broken and everyone will call for nerf/buff or nothing will change because the fitting warriors will do the math on the fits to have the perfect fit. No one with use anything except prototype gear and we will be in the exact same spot we are now. The best thing people could be doing now is saving SP instead of demanding refunds. When the refund hits and everyone prototypes the first day think how many nerf/ buff threads will pop up and when the gear is buffed/nerfed everyone will cry that CCP made their fit useless, just like they do now.
GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride."
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
1571
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Posted - 2014.02.01 18:44:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Vance Vyth wrote:A respec will breath new life into a dying game. That is all. This resumes all Respec threads.
Well said Vance.
I disagree, refunded SP will not breath life into this game, only content and some time will do that. Refunded SP is like putting a band aid on a compound facture. The bleeding may stop for a while but it doesn't fix the underlying problems. The only fix for the game is more of everything, a market and pve. Only those things can breath life into DUST.
GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride."
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